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13 Jun 2024 21:35:56
Terms agreed with braithwaite we now need to agree a fee with Everton.

Tim_99

1.) 13 Jun 2024 22:22:03
Yup just to sort the deal with Everton now. In other news Ornstein has also said us along with Liverpool and PSG are pushing for Yoro but are wary Madrid may come in guessing it's all based on price.


2.) 13 Jun 2024 23:16:16
Good news if true! Although increasing his wages from £40k to £150k seems excessive if reports are right.

Also seeing we are linked with Yoro and tracking De Ligt. I'll be happy if we can complete on one of them if we can move another defender on.


3.) 14 Jun 2024 06:18:40
Personally hope not and quite a few out there that i like better. Yoro is a different class for me, bremer, todibo, tapsoda, silva all much better. hope he does not turn into a next maguire.

Overhyped British player with crazy valuation.


4.) 14 Jun 2024 06:56:35
ahmad

In a world where Wesley Fofana was once bought for £70m plus add-ons, based on 57 appearances, I think Branthwaite is far better value for £70m.

Is Fofana British?


5.) 14 Jun 2024 07:03:11
Ahmad, how on earth can you say those players mentioned are better? None have played in the prem whereas branthwaite has been standout in a struggling Everton team who had an outstanding defensive record.
Not sure who has been over hyping him either.


6.) 14 Jun 2024 07:41:08
Be very interesting to see the final transfer fee agreed if we arrive at one. Will show whether we have progressed in negotiations or not.


7.) 14 Jun 2024 07:56:23
What was it folk said about which foot he used. ???.


8.) 14 Jun 2024 08:21:13
I think could be a fun 3-4 weeks. Branthwaite seems to have been our first choice for a while. We will see at least one CB, but that will depend on the futures of Maguire and Lindelof I guess. May be this summer we can only sell one, and I’d sell Lindelof. De Ligt is a signing that would akso be a no brainer for me if we can get him.

Ed 2 has discussed Zirkzee, but is likely Milan bound. Jonathan David has popped up again, and could be a shrewd bit of business. He’s versatile, scores goals, a good age profile at 24, and ready for a step up to support Hojlund.

Then we have to address the midfield conundrum - but guess again that depends if we can sell Sancho and Casemiro.

All change!


9.) 14 Jun 2024 08:30:29
Guys just a personal opinion. Not great in distribution imo and if you check out top speed stats I believe he has the lowest of the group I mentioned. If it happens, I hope he proves me very wrong. He goes to ground far too often for my liking and good/ great CB's stay on their feet and bully you off the ball.

ORK

Just because Chelsea do crazy deals on a consistent basis it does not justify us following suit. Its like saying Antony cost 80 million so we should spend 100 million on another winger, who is not worth it.

For me Branthwaite is 40 mill player. No way he is worth 70 mill when supposedly Silva is available for slightly higher. The gap between the two is significant imo. Anyone who think Branthwaite is in the league of Taposoda at leverkusen needs a head check or has not watched either player properly imo.

Chelsea are like a trading house when it comes to players and I have lost track of who is there, who goes in and who goes out. Is Fofana even playing much?

Finally how can you justify paying him 150k a week when Mainoo and Garnacho are on 20k and 80k I believe. The whole story sounds bs to me or way off the mark in terms of where the real numbers will be if it happens.

40% to 50% of transfers generally don't pan out as you expected. Shifting a CB at 150k and 70 mill cost if he does not work out becomes our next issue and groundhog day for a club that is supposedly very tight on finances and has massive capital outlay coming in terms of new training ground and a new stadium.


10.) 14 Jun 2024 08:58:09
Vibes of Phil Jones with this guy. Future united and england captain… hmm.


11.) 14 Jun 2024 09:16:56
Admittedly I’ve not watched Braithwaite every week, but anything over £30m seems a massive gamble, in my opinion.

He’s had one season in a team that sits deep and doesn’t play in a style that ETH apparently wants to. To spend that much on him seems crazy to me. From reports, it’s basically our entire summer budget on one largely unproven player.

Don’t know why, but he gives me Phil Jones vibes.

Obviously hoping I’m taking rubbish and he turns out to be world class.


12.) 14 Jun 2024 09:35:51
Branthwaite looks a quality player but the whole deal needs to be right. Something more like £40/ 50m with reasonable add ons might be more realistic.

Also, would Maguire going the other way be something that could help. I am sure Maguire would like a bigger club but who is looking at him, feels like they could be a good fit.

If we do bring in a second young CB we will have quality depth, flexibility if we wanted to try 3 at the back and also allow for Martinez to cover RB/ HM if required.


13.) 14 Jun 2024 09:43:08
I think Branthwaite makes a lot of sense. He's young, British (homegrown), comfortable on the ball and great at covering in the channel, can play either LCB or RCB as he's naturally left footed but very comfortable with his right, which means he can cover for Licha at LCB or play RCB alongside him, he's also EPL proven (even players who've shown world class ability on the continent have flopped in the EPL) .

The only drawback is the price, yet in truth we NEED to recruit some homegrown players as the likes of Heaton, Evans, Maguire, AWB, McTominay, Sancho, Greenwood and possibly Rashford are likely to leave either this summer or next. So we need to bring in top quality homegrown players to replace them.

Of the homegrown players available Branthwaite is amoungst the best and possibly has the highest ceiling.

The only other homegrown players that I'd want is to sign other than Branthwaite are Olise, Guehi and Wharton.

All three play for Palace, Wharton won't be sold unless for a massive fee. Olise looks a good bet if we can raise the funds, but in truth plays in a position that isn't a top priority during a window where our budget will be limited. While I like Guehi and I'd be happy if we signed him Branthwaite is better in the air, younger, and has a higher ceiling. I also don't think there would be much of a difference in terms of transfer fee either.

I agree if the wages reported are accurate that seems a bit on the steep side. Although we don't know if they are accurate or whether those figures are linked to bonuses or clauses. If it's 80-100k basic wage and the rest linked to appearances and clean sheets then I don't have too much of a problem with it.

I don't actually mind us paying higher wages than most as long as they are linked to performances.

I wonder for example if 40% of Rashford's wages were linked to performances then would we have seen more from him this season? Yeah, I expect so.

For me to make this a successful transfer window we need to in priority order:

1. Move on all or as many of the players that aren't suited to the style we want to play or the level we need. We need to cut down the squad. It'll be almost impossible to cultivate a good dressing room atmosphere with a bloated squad with a dozen players hardly ever getting any playing time.

2. Target the priority areas first, CB, CDM and ST are absolute essentials. Then can we get a second CB, fullbacks, a second midfielder etc.

3. Get deals done for priority targets early, we can't afford to have key players joining after the season has started. We need to get them in, get them settled and try and hit the ground running at the start of next season.

In that respect Branthwaite is a priority target and we appear to be trying to get it done early.


14.) 14 Jun 2024 10:14:42
Ahmad, does it matter that he is slower than the other defenders you mentioned? Does that mean he's not quick? Of all centre-backs under the age of 23 in Europe’s top five leagues, Branthwaite has the highest success rate in defensive duels so what do we make of that compared to the list of players you mentioned?

Opinions are fine and we all have different ones but I feel like some fans will turn their nose up at Branthwaite because he's not got the continental surname as the others. You also seem fixated on £70M, we have no idea what the fee will be which is why I said it'll be interesting what the outcome of that is. On the flip side, he plays for us for 10 years, that's a £7M defender each season.


15.) 14 Jun 2024 14:05:35
Eric, I mentioned David a few weeks back and was shot down by the usual suspects. Also mentioned JB and again shot down.


16.) 14 Jun 2024 17:08:14
Jimbobred

You will have been shot down by those still struggling to come to terms with the reality that we don't have a place at the top table anymore.
All this gerfliff about players being 'not at our level, and 'not United quality' - these people need the coffee more than most.

Jonathan David would, imo, be a very wise signing, like our own version of Trossard who, for Arsenal, is arguably the most underrated player at the club.
Additionally, Lille need to shift him this summer and, at 24 with plenty of potential to improve, he fits the SJR profile.

ahmad

I agree that, from the outset, £70m for a CB is a lot, but he can play with either foot which, considering the defensive injury crisis we've just seen, would be very handy.
Of course he's not Tapsoba or Silva, but are we realistically going to be an option for either of them?
We need to be sensible this summer, but sensible can be expensive.
For most of last season, the left side of our defence was ruined by injury. Our 3 primary left-footed options of Martinez, Shaw and Malacia played a combined total of 23 PL games last season.
Do we know if we'll ever see Malacia in red again?
Is Martinez going to be one of those players dogged by niggles, like a Varane?
Is Shaw's body now shot?
Ultimately, £70m for the player is maybe too much, but £70m for something of a solution to a problem area might well be worthwhile.


17.) 14 Jun 2024 22:54:23
Who reported this?


18.) 14 Jun 2024 18:46:43
Ports

Its an opinion. He goes to ground too often and I don't like CB's who do that. They get found out against better players who have a bit of awareness and trickery. He slide tackles like a midfielder all the time and brave in the tackle, I give him that. He is a proto type sit deep english defender and average passer imo.

Of course what we spend on a player matters. The biggest issue for this club has been transfer cost and wages for years. I am sure the ones prior to him were all seen as a long term investment but many have turned out to be tulips and hard to even shift.

If the club is buying him is okay with me and hope it turns out well but the wages and cost has to make sense in a window where we are supposedly working with a tiny budget. Being home grown and British does have a premium but does not justify paying nose bleed cost.

The reports are way off the numbers imo.


19.) 16 Jun 2024 11:28:00
Ahmad, it's a game of opinions and we all have different points of view.

I quite like Branthwaite and think he's got a lot of potential. He's good at defending the channels and wins an insane percentage of his duels (especially for a 21 year old) . If I'm thinking of the ideal partner for Martinez they need to be a great cover defender, strong in the air, physical with a good but not nessicarily a phenomenal passing range.

I think Branthwaite ticks all of those boxes and if we bring in a second defender like Todibo (also a really good passing range) then a player like Branthwaite makes even more sense. Given his profile, age, potential and the fact that he's homegrown.

I also think his fee will be pretty fair for once. I'd expect something like 35-40m up front to meet Everton's PSR requirements, with a further 15-20m depending on performances and success criteria. Meaning he'll only cost more if he proves to be a good signing.

If we can get a future England international who can be a key player for us for potentially the next decade for less than 60m in the current market that is an absolute bargain.

All the Everton fans I know feel he is currently much better than Stones was at the same age. If he can have a similar trajectory in his career as Stones has since he left Everton then for maybe 60m we have a real bargain.


 

 

11 Jun 2024 23:12:27
Hi ed, there's reports tonight that juventus are hoping to sign mason greenwood in the next few weeks. Is there any truth to these stories? Hopefully now the manager is sorted we can move on to much needed incomings and outgoings. Thanks.

Tim_99

{Ed002's Note - Mason Greenwood (F) Time to move on - offered to Lazio, Marseille and Atalanta but none seem to be biting. Turkey, perhaps with Mr Mourinho at Fenerbahce, or the Middle East might provide permanent options. Napoli, Atletico Madrid or Real Sociedad may offer an option but the fee will be too high for Getafe to buy, but they will try to find a creative solution or another loan. He is on the list of Michael Emenalo, but that may not suit the player. Agent wants him to move to Italy for a fresh start and has suggested to Juventus that they offer a swap for Chiesa.}


1.) 12 Jun 2024 11:28:53
Thanks for the reply ed. Much appreciated.


2.) 12 Jun 2024 13:50:38
Mason should be retained just like EtH was. Let's hope the new owners see sense again!


3.) 12 Jun 2024 15:19:57
Jimbob,

You must be joking. If I’d heard ETH on a voice note doing what Greenwood had done I don’t think I’d want him as manager, would you?


4.) 12 Jun 2024 16:43:22
Ed do you think it would be wiser for united to ask for soule rather than chiesa?

Seems to be highly rated.

{Ed002's Note - They have no interest in him.}


5.) 12 Jun 2024 20:42:27
GDS2, the EtH decision has been made. Don't be like others on here and still try to discuss it, move on. Just like Greenwood and his missus have done, learn to accept people can make mistakes and equally people can be forgiven.

Like the EtH out brigade, the Greenwood out brigade are sheep, jumping on the media bandwagon. I think he should stay because he is exactly what we need. You are welcome to think otherwise.

What I do hope though, is that if he is retained, the fans get behind him rather than join the brain-dead fans who will take every opportunity to shout about his mistakes. If UTD retain him, ensuring Mason can cope with the abuse he will receive will need to be managed.


6.) 13 Jun 2024 10:45:28
Jimbo, Greenwood should be allowed to learn from his mistakes and move on. Has he? I dunno. With no public acceptance of wrong doing along with an apology it's hard to know if he's even actually aware that what he did was wrong.

He's a very good player, even potentially a great one. Is he "exactly" what we need? I'm not so sure. Personally I think with the majority of our wide players being more goalscorers rather than creators, I think what we need is a wide player who'll lay on chances for Højlund rather than look to shoot all the time. For me Greenwood is the same sort of player as Rashford or Garnacho. So I wouldn't say he's "exactly" what we need.

However, this is all symantics anyway, as we saw what the media backlash was when it was even suggested that he would play for the club again. The club is looking to make a clean start, new owners, new vision, and a positive push to getting back to the top. The last thing the club needs is a constant negative sideshow giving the media ammunition to destroy any positivity around the club.

While I suspect that is also the last thing Greenwood, his partner and their young child needs as well.

I think it's pretty disingenuous to suggest everyone who would rather not have a player tainted with his reputation as "sheep".

I can assure you as someone who has seen first-hand how abuse of women and girls has a massive detrimental impact on them and those around them. I feel sickened and utterly disgusted by men who abuse women and girls and I don't need the media to tell me what to think.

From the first moment I heard the audio I didn't want Greenwood representing my club again. The idea that I should cheer on such a man is something I cannot stomach, nor should I. That has nothing to do with what the media have said since.

Just because people have a different opinion than you it doesn't make them sheep, anymore than it makes you enlightened. It's just two people with different opinions based on their personality and their experiences.


7.) 13 Jun 2024 20:30:05
We live in a world where both every element of our lives can and usually is broadcast to the masses, and also evey element is scrutinised to the nth degree, mostly in a negative manner.

I haven't disputed what he did as been acceptable.
I have previously spoken on here if witnessing DV first hand, I know the effects it can have.
I can't say if MG has turned a corner, his life hasn't been scrutinised whilst he has been away from the UK.
I can say, he has likely apologised to the person who matters, his partner, and they have, by all accounts moved on from the circus.

If he stays, you will be acutely aware of the UK media. They are a pack of Wolves, waiting to attack. Does MG have the bottle for that? Who knows, but all I am saying is if an assessment is made by the club that he stays, our fans should get behind him. We know for sure the away supporters won't.

In terms of is he what we need, he doesn't fanny around, he knows where the goal is and from what we've seen of him, he is capable of being a team player. I would rather Mason on the LW than say Rashford. I would rather Mason on the RW than say Anthony. At times, I would rather Mason on the striker role than Rasmus.
He can play across the front 3, he would be useful to the squad, maybe not as a starter, but definitely useful to see if he has the mental attributes to deal with the abuse he will face.

I admit an apology in public might be a step in the right direction and maybe that will come.

Question. If he publicly apologised hand in hand with his partner and they advised they had moved past it, would you accept this and move on?


8.) 14 Jun 2024 10:24:08
Jimbobred, he's a good player and absolutely in terms of ability would be useful. I'd question whether he's exactly what we need, for that he'd have to be guaranteed first choice who massively improves the team.

One of the biggest misconceptions is that everyone deserves a second chance. That's just not true, it's not a right to a second chance it's a privilege earned.

In order to be worthy of a second chance you first need to admit you've done wrong, you then need to humbly and sincerely apologise for that mistake, finally you need to do what you can to make up for that mistake and repair the damage.

If you aren't doing all three then you don't deserve a second chance. It's that simple.

Maybe Greenwood has admitted his mistakes, maybe he has sincerely apologised for his actions and maybe he is doing what he can to repair the damage.

However, without me seeing any evidence of it I can't give him that second chance.

Am I entitled to see that from him? Absolutely not. But if he wants a second chance from the general public he will need to show that he recognises his mistakes, he apologises for them, and he does what he can to repair that damage.

If he doesn't then he can't expect that second chance.

As Ken said there was an opportunity for the club to take control of the story when it first happened, but they bottled it.

If Greenwood came out with the club and made a statement admitting his mistake, apologising for it, and stated he is having therapy and he then became an advocate for domestic abuse victims. And if all of this was sincere then I think things would be very different, and he probably would have been able to play football for us fairly soon afterwards and would have spent the last 2 and a half years playing for us and continuing his Manchester United career.

For whatever reason that didn't happen, and to do so now would come across more as lipservice to brush it under the carpet.

Now too much water has passed under the bridge, and he needs to move on for his and his families sake. I wish them all the best and I truly hope he has/ is getting the help he needs and his partner and child are safe.

Just time to move on, the sad thing is that there wouldn't be anyone arguing that he deserves a second chance at United if he wasn't as talented as he is. Which kind of suggests that talent gives you a free pass in terms of moral fibre.


9.) 14 Jun 2024 20:55:25
I still think he will be retained and an extension given to his contract.
Will be play this year, I doubt it. But he will be loaned out to someone and just maybe, the following year he is brought back in.
Time will tell, and also is a very good healer.


 

 

11 Jun 2024 22:18:11
According to David ornstein eth is staying. Not officially confirmed but then the club might not bother as he is under contract. Not sure I'm happy about the outcome but I hope it's the right decision and we move forward. Now let's get cracking with the rest of the summer business.

Tim_99

 

 

03 Jun 2024 20:57:35
Hi ed I'm just wondering if you can enlighten me on the Jonny evans situation. is he now a free agent or is there further time left on his deal?! Thanks.

Tim_99

{Ed002's Note - Free agent.}


1.) 03 Jun 2024 22:43:16
Thanks ed.


2.) 04 Jun 2024 14:33:23
Is there any interest from the club and Jonny on renewing for a year?

{Ed002's Note - Not that I am aware of.}


3.) 04 Jun 2024 16:05:12
Perfect stop-gap for the year and got us out a hole for a while. But time for the Championship now Jonny.


4.) 05 Jun 2024 10:08:28
Thanks Ed.

{Ed002's Note - You are welcome.}


5.) 05 Jun 2024 20:14:39
Would much rather keep Evans over Lindelof.

Centre half options of:

Martinez
NEW
Maguire
Evans
Kambwala

Would be fine by me. We need a DM, CM, LB and CF before a sixth centre half, in my opinion.


6.) 05 Jun 2024 21:14:17
Downside, as good as Maguire was at times last year, he needs to go. He weakens the team. Even as a sub.
You can't doubt his commitment, but for me he has to leave. Maybe a return to Leicester and they give us half the 80m back they robbed off us ?.


 

 

27 May 2024 20:09:15
Martial gone. officially. Such a wasted talent if only he had the mentality of a Ronaldo or Messi who knows how good he could have been!

Tim_99

1.) 27 May 2024 20:50:09
Plenty of players have the talent, very few have the mentality, resilience and work ethic to be elite level.


2.) 27 May 2024 21:35:42
Finally!


3.) 27 May 2024 22:34:02
Ed are we looking to replace Martial with Sesko and are there any other targets we would be looking at to replace Martial? .

Thanks.

{Ed002's Note - Sesko is likely heading elsewhere. The options are as I previously explained.}


4.) 29 May 2024 01:53:48
Where will Martial likely end up Ed?

{Ed002's Note - Anthony Martial (W/F) Has to go but there little clear interest. Juventus had an interest but he would not be first choice now. Out of contract in the Summer with Fenerbahce keen to take a chance, else it will be the Middle East or a new contract.}


 

 

 

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17 Jun 2024 14:58:05
Think guehi would be a good option for us. if the braithwaite deal drags and the price is too rich for us then I'd definitely seriously consider him. Very solid.

Tim_99

1.) 17 Jun 2024 15:34:26
The reports on what Everton value Braithwaite at are ridiculous. He’s had one season in the prem for a struggling side and they want over £70m for him.

It’s all reports so could be inaccurate.

United of the past would spend all summer putting in low ball offers to then happily hand over £80m for him on transfer deadline day, I’m hoping the “new” United have wised up and walk away quickly, like Liverpool and city do when the price is too high.

Can’t afford to spend the entire transfer budget on one player. Must be better value out there somewhere.

{Ed002's Note - Manchester United know that Everton needs funds within the next two weeks and will make an improved offer.}


2.) 17 Jun 2024 16:13:52
Are there any other clubs preparing offers for Braithwaite ed002? Or is it a case of United and Everton needing to agree a fee?

Am I right in presuming that he’s a first choice option for United and the club will move onto other options if Everton want more than United are willing to pay?

{Ed002's Note - Jarrad Branthwaite (CB) Everton want a new contract but Spurs, Manchester United and Newcastle have an interest. Ancelotti has spoken to Solari about him and scouts were sent to watch him against Newcastle, but Solari is not convinced that English players settle well on the continent. Manchester United will likely need a complete rebuild at CB with departures in the summer and so he will likely be a leading option. Spurs have a need for a CB. Newcastle has a compelling need to add one or two younger CBs. A wildcard would be Manchester City.

Manchester United have a number of other options including Inacio and Tobido.}


3.) 17 Jun 2024 16:19:29
Bid of £50m + add ons in.?
I can see Braithwaite and Todibo.


4.) 17 Jun 2024 17:00:16
Just glad that United seem to be in a hurry to get business done and not have their pants taken down; plus names mentioned by Ed002 in post above and previous all seem really good players.


5.) 17 Jun 2024 17:19:59
Who is this Braithwaite chap people keep linking us to? Is he as good as the lad from Everton?

{Ed025's Note - Jarrad Branthwaite is at Everton Brendan and is the best young CB in Europe mate, we need the money badly so you might just have our pants down and get him for around £60m, believe me hes worth more..


6.) 17 Jun 2024 18:12:12
That might go over a few heads Brendan lol.


7.) 17 Jun 2024 18:41:52
If another team buys Onana first won't that mean Everton can hold out for a larger amount for Braithwaite?


8.) 17 Jun 2024 20:09:18
Thankfully he put in a pish poor performance for Belgium today. Keep it up lad, you keep those buyers reluctant.


9.) 17 Jun 2024 20:47:08
Tim99, I reluctantly watched that dross which is the national team.
With Guehi to be honest he is a bit rash in the challenge for my liking.
There was also commentary about a knee injury, which I assume had him out for a while or is a recurring issue.


10.) 17 Jun 2024 21:19:46
Marc Guehi would be a good signing, and I can see him being the England player who gets a big move this summer on the back of a good tournament.

Supposedly Palace are open to selling him due to his contract situation.

However, ever good display with England will further push his price up.


11.) 17 Jun 2024 21:36:52
Agreed Wallace and of those players will improve us greatly. If we can get 2 in that would be fantastic.


12.) 17 Jun 2024 21:17:40
Salford, due to the amortisation of Onana's 33m transfer fee Everton will need to sell Onana for 60m+ up front to ensure they have the 40m clear in their accounts to avoid being in breach of PSR by the 30th of June.

While they won't want to lose Branthwaite, he is probably the one they will have to cut loose to avoid another points deduction.

{Ed002's Note - Everton will lose a couple of players this week but have the bandwidth to avoid shark type approaches.}


13.) 18 Jun 2024 06:51:11
Good Morning Ed002

I hope you are enjoying the euros. Speaking of our CB's targets who do you personally rate the highest out of the group you have mentioned and is the Branthwaite reported bid too low in your opinion. You have mentioned how we have overpaid many times in the past and is this being opportunistic or about right.

{Ed002's Note - Inacio stands out.}


14.) 18 Jun 2024 18:44:05
Brendan,

Very good, I think we are going to have to get used to it, people below your post are still calling him Branthwaite as well!


15.) 18 Jun 2024 22:11:28
I like Branthwaite, Guehi too.
If we replace Maguire, Varane and Lindelof with them it would be excellent business.

{Ed025's Note - if you replaced them 3 with Curly, Larry and Mo it would be an upgrade though UR.. :)


 

 

13 Jun 2024 15:48:52
Looking like olise could be off to Chelsea, reports from ornstein today that they are in talks with palace. Disappointing as I really like him and he would be perfect for us. I guess we need to sell first. Though how are Chelsea spending again it's madness they'll be touching 2pm in 2 years at this rate. definitely can't say boehly is stingy.

Tim_99

1.) 13 Jun 2024 15:51:59
Maybe one of our new 'dream team' can pull out an Enciso or Mitoma of our own. Someone no-one's heard of that doesn't blitz whatever our budget is.


2.) 13 Jun 2024 16:07:55
That should have said 2billion not pm ??.


3.) 13 Jun 2024 16:53:47
They don't hang about Chelsea, they just seem to get the deal done without any fuss.


4.) 13 Jun 2024 18:32:25
It's an odd move given that their best player last season (Cole Palmer) plays in the same position as Olise. To be honest if I was a Chelsea fan I'd be pretty annoyed if the club spent big on a player for a position not needed when there are other areas in need of addressing. 55-60m on Olise when they need a CB, a GK, a ST and probably a LB seems like a poor way to run a club to be honest.

It certainly doesn't seem like a logical strategy.

As for United? I'd have two CB's, two midfielders, a ST and probably two full backs as higher priority than RW currently.

Based on the logic that Garnacho has played his best football on the right, we also have Amad whose looked promising, along with Mount and Bruno who can play there effectively. We also probably won't be able to shift Antony either. So we have 5 players who can play there, two of them talented young players who have huge potential and room for improvement.

At CB I'd say we only have Martinez and possibly Kambwala who are good enough, while Varane, Evans and at least one of Lindelof or Maguire are likely to leave. From a sheer numbers perspective we need a couple of CB's, let alone that it was our weakest area of the pitch last season.

In midfield only Mainoo is good enough and he's a kid whose played half a season. Casemiro will likely leave and is declining regardless. Amrabat is only on loan and will return to Italy. Beyond those three we don't have anyone who can play at a high enough level in those deeper midfield positions. So at least two midfielders are needed.

Hojlund is the only striker we have, is a kid and has had a few injury issues (probably from over playing) last season. We need another ST.

AWB is not suited for the style of play we want to play, while Shaw and Malacia have serious question marks over their ability to stay fit. Leaving only Dalot as a good enough and regularly available fullback to cover two positions. I'd argue that we need both a RB and LB before we looked to usurp Garnacho from the RW.

That's 7 players we need more than a RW player like Olise. Given that all the reports are that we have a limited budget and will need to sell to buy, spending 60m on a player who is probably 8th on our list of priorities seems a poor way to run a club.

I get that we don't create enough chances, and he seems like an obvious and easy fix. But we need to build the foundations before we look to get some fancy tiles for the roof.

Personally I think it would be best for Olise to stay at Palace another year. With Glasner looking like a really good appointment for Palace and with them having a pretty good, fairly young side, with excellent recruitment from Dougie Freedman, I don't think Palace is a bad place to play football next season.

Players like Henderson or Johnstone in goal, Andersen and Guehi at CB, Mitchell at LB, Wharton, Cheick Doucoure and Eze in midfield and the form of Mateta up front. Olise would have a really good team to play in. They are probably a RB and a LW away from having a top 10 team that could challenge for a Europa place if they can keep their best players fit. While what Olise needs now is a whole season of football under his belt to dispel those injury prone whispers.

I'm not sure a regular spot on the Chelsea bench is the best place for him. He should stay at Palace next season, have a true breakout campaign where he could get Cole Palmer numbers if he stays fit for the whole season. His goals and assists per 90 record this season is higher than Palmer's. If he manages something similar then he'll have his choice of all the top sides in Europe next summer.


5.) 13 Jun 2024 19:34:09
Palmer will not play on the right if they sign olisse I guess.


6.) 13 Jun 2024 20:07:23
Maybe we could buy Palmer ??.


7.) 13 Jun 2024 20:18:37
Chelsea already met his release clause last year. He opted to give Palace another year with a new contract and clause written in.
Will he do the same again if Chelsea, United or Newcastle come in? I doubt it myself.


8.) 14 Jun 2024 04:18:43
Chelsea have consistently sold fairly well over recent years Tim, they’ll probably raise £150-200m again this summer i'd imagine. Whilst they have a need for players in other positions as mentioned in the thread, they also have a need for HG players especially if Gallagher or Chalobah or both leave and they’re looking to sell Sterling if possible. Signing Olise who’s HG and would arguably be their best RW (Palmer would play AM) does make some sense.

{Ed001's Note - is it sold well or sold lots? Only they seem to always sell the players they should keep and keep the players they should sell in recent years, hence the drop off from being the best team in the league. And they are looking like doing it again by getting rid of Chalobah and Gallagher, while bringing in yet another player they don't need in Olise.}


9.) 14 Jun 2024 08:15:33
Chelsea, the literal manifestation of headless chickens.


10.) 14 Jun 2024 08:59:58
Maybe Madueke leaves, who started lots in that position.


11.) 14 Jun 2024 11:41:07
Ed001, do you mean under Boehly? Maybe Gilmour, RLC and Mount but kinda 50/ 50 imo. RLC had a year left on his contract and had been beset with injuries for most of his time at the club. Mount too had 1 year left and seemingly didn’t want to stay. Other than those 3 I don’t see too many they sold they should have kept. I do think this summer they shouldn’t be selling Maatsen, Gallagher or Chalobah though to be fair.

{Ed001's Note - I was not meaning any of those, I was meaning all those players over the years you had out on loan, that were then sold who could have done a better job than players you had in the team. Gilmour is one of those bad buys you became so prone to in the latter part of Roman's reign as the club tried to prioritise breaking even. Never going to be good enough to hold down a regular spot in a top team but there was going to be a profit to be made selling him.}


 

 

09 Jun 2024 17:47:46
Not tuchel then by the looks of it. seems that he's getting his story out there that he's taking a break and wouldn't take the job if offered. I'd say it's more likely that he's been informed he's not getting it and is saving face. That leaves eth, poch de zerbi and Southgate. Why do I get the feeling that it's going to be the latter after the euros?! .

Tim_99

1.) 09 Jun 2024 18:43:36
I have it on good authority that it definitely will not be Southgate and he hasn’t let me down before

Praying it ain’t him.


2.) 09 Jun 2024 19:18:03
Hope you're right BR, ETH runs rings around Southgate.


3.) 09 Jun 2024 21:01:59
Really hope so Blackpool, really hope you’re right.


4.) 09 Jun 2024 21:50:21
Hope so Blackpool…think that announcement would send this whole forum into a meltdown! Might actually be the one time we are all in agreement ??.


5.) 09 Jun 2024 21:54:56
If it’s between ETH, De Zerbi, Poch and Southgate, ETH's CV is better than all of them so would be strange if one of them was chosen ahead of ETH.


6.) 09 Jun 2024 22:17:20
I was under the impression a technical director had been appointed to oversee the strategic direction of the Club, to define the style of play and recruit accordingly.

That being said how does Gareth Southgate, Thomas Tuchel and Roberto De Zerbi all end up on the same list?

Completely different managers with completely ideas, principles and styles of play!

Incompetence personified, Ineos are a shambles and to be openly speaking to multiple other managers, having just won an Fa Cup, when the vast majority of the fan base still support the current manager and he hasn’t even been sacked yet, over two weeks later is an utter disgrace!

EtH outers complaining about the style of play and the Ineos are seriously considering appointing Gareth Southgate is perhaps the biggest irony of them all! incredible, absolutely incredible!


7.) 09 Jun 2024 22:32:47
Honestly, if Southgate becomes our manager I give up! How he is even in any conversation is mind boggling. He is useless.


8.) 09 Jun 2024 22:43:53
And I’ll add another thing, hundreds of staff facing redundancy for alleged efficiency savings, all whilst the Glazers fly in on a private jet for the Fa Cup final and stay in the finest hotels, as the Club foots the bill!

How many people have to lose their job, just to cover the cost of the Glazers jetting in for the Cup final?

Is this really what our beloved Club has been become?

Are we really supposed to believe that making people redundant, in order to save money has been the problem and is suddenly going to transform the Club or make any kind of meaningful impact on performance or allow us to compete in the transfer market? That making the poorest people at the Club redundant is the answer and one of the first acts of the new minority owners in supposedly returning us to the top!

The treatment of staff is deplorable, the treatment of EtH completely disrespectful, beware the wolf in sheep’s clothing.


9.) 10 Jun 2024 16:02:50
If I were in eth shoes I would acknowledge this is a poisonous marriage, stand my ground and not give an inch and go by my contract terms, get paid and exit.

They have done their best to encourage the public shaming and ridicule eth has received and have not lifted a finger to show any sort of support. These leaks cannot be coming without someone from all sides leaking it.

Why on earth would you want to manage at a club with this type of environment. life is too short and other jobs will present themselves. Piece of mind and feeling wanted is worth more than a shiny thing on the outside but rubbish on the inside.


10.) 11 Jun 2024 12:04:46
What leaks? What have Ineos done to undermine ETH? I've not seen any announcements. So far all I've seen are rumours and speculation.

What have I missed?


 

 

05 Jun 2024 15:42:22
Guess who's back, back again. ole's back tell a friend ?? about to be the new besiktas manager apparently. Wish him all the best ??.

Tim_99

1.) 05 Jun 2024 16:25:24
I thought you were going to say Tom Heaton and Johnny Evans.
What a start to the trasnfer window!


2.) 05 Jun 2024 17:01:52
Simo I think there is merit in keeping both to be honest. Heaton offers great experience and for 3rd choice is probably ideal.
Evans again is unlikely to play as much as this year buy does offer great experience and know how which we lack.
If Evans staying means lindelof and maguire move on then great.
I think he would still be behind 2 new boys big willy and martinez.
It very much depends on who leaves and who comes in. But I'd keep Evans ahead of Harry and lindelif anyday as 4th/ 5th choice.


3.) 05 Jun 2024 17:02:56
I don't think Tom Heatons contract being extended is an issue. Its no different to Scott Carson at Manchester City. Keeps the English quota up and will never push first choice. Might also offer some experience to the younger goalkeepers.

Jonny Evans is weird one, you could argue that featuring 30 times means he deserves an extension, with a view only to offer experience in the changing room. If that's the case then I'm all for it, providing it doesn't block a move for a first choice centre-back.


4.) 05 Jun 2024 17:44:06
And they’ve given the job to gio van bronckhorst…?? never trust espn ??‍♂️.


5.) 05 Jun 2024 17:44:49
That probably means only one CB signing this year. hmm JB/ Diomande/ Silva. For me you go JB now, English, EPL proven, young etc etc.

Onana
Dalot
Licha
JB
Shaw

Mainoo
Neves
Bruno

Garnacho
Rasmus
Rashford/ Amad

2 signings. transforms the team.
Of course we need more, but that is a start.


6.) 05 Jun 2024 18:17:47
Lucky escape for besiktas.


7.) 05 Jun 2024 19:37:06
Evans makes absolute sense to me and will not stop us bringing in 2 new CB’s. It should mean that we will sell Maguire and Lindelof to generate some income with Martinez, Evans, Kambwala and 2 new for next year.

Evans will not expect lots of minutes but when called upon appears to be up to speed quickly.


8.) 05 Jun 2024 19:46:03
JBR, we need a right footed centre back not another leftie.


9.) 05 Jun 2024 21:08:57
IWMTB, then Diomande, get JB next year when Everton get relegated.


10.) 05 Jun 2024 22:42:28
IWOTB, why? Why can two right footed players both play CB alongside eachother but not two left footed players?

Rio and Vidic were both right footers, are you suggesting that if they were both left footed that they wouldn't have worked together?

Branthwaite might be left footed but he spent nearly his entire loan spell at PSV playing in the RCB position.

Max Kilman is naturally left footed but tends to play RCB.

There is absolutely no reason whatsoever why Branthwaite and Martinez couldn't work really well together. Branthwaite's skills are really well suited to support Martinez and vice versa.

At a time in the game where left footed CB's are at a premium, and are coveted by many managers, having two that are potentially amoungst the world's best would be an excellent start in trying to return to the top.


11.) 05 Jun 2024 23:45:59
JB has stated himself he is left footed, especially for long passes, however is quite okay with his RF for shorter passes.
I think this is something of a nothing burger.


12.) 06 Jun 2024 09:37:55
Kurtis Heywood - exactly my thoughts regarding Evans.
I want to see Kambwala pushing through to the first team this season.
You can guarantee (if ETH is still in charge) that he will pick Evans over Kambwala if we have another injury crises.
In my humble opinion Kambwala looks a real talent and should of been playing on a regular basis last season. ETH even decided that Casemiro was the better option of a couple of occasions which actually still baffles the life out of me.


13.) 06 Jun 2024 09:55:53
Simon, you have absolutely zero guarantee that would happen again. Like zero.
Why would you throw WK in when the team are being pulled apart? Batter his confidence beyond repair. Makes no sense, whatsoever. If he is good enough, he will be ahead of the likes of Evans.
Need we remind you of the likes of Mainoo, Garnacho etc who proved they were the better choice.
WK should be knocking on the door of the first team, and he will, when he is ready. He isn't there yet, in my opinion, but will definitely be there or thereabouts come the end of this season.


14.) 06 Jun 2024 11:46:58
Jimbobred - a few reasons why let me explain.
1) He plays at centre back which is where we were short. Imagine playing a centre back in his correct position hey.
2) He's a lot more mobile than Casemiro, a lot younger, better in the air, better positional sense.
3) He has already had first team experiance and has been around the first team for most of the season.
Look at Mainoo as an example.
What you are coming out with is absolute garbage.


15.) 07 Jun 2024 01:23:06
Only way someone gets there or thereabouts is playing

Linder and Maguire should be sold

Wk and a new signing as cover and a new cb to partner Martinez

We also need a new left back, shaw can’t play every game (in my opinion should be sold) and malacia where is he and can he even play anymore.


 

 

03 Jun 2024 17:43:04
Is it a case of too many cooks spoiling the broth? This end of season review is still ongoing and nobody is any the wiser. Surely there needs to be clarity for the manager, players and us lot, sooner rather than later. On another note I see Ronaldo is trying to get Casemiro to join him. let's hope he does us a favour there as we need the wages gone and a decent fee back. ??.

Tim_99

1.) 03 Jun 2024 17:53:43
Club does not need to make any statements about him staying. The financial year ends June 30th so any announcement of a change before then would have a negative impact on our financials.

Would not surprise me if they stretch it till end of June even if they have decided to make a change, thinking like a conspiracy theorist lol.


2.) 03 Jun 2024 18:24:54
Maybe they are letting everyone chill out after the FA cup and lining up their duck so to speak, Bayern spent 2 months looking for their manager getting turned down by 4/ 5 choices. Better to have the plan in place then "announce it" we have no idea what people within the club have discussed, agreed, or been informed of.


3.) 03 Jun 2024 20:29:08
No rush at all everyone that needs to know at this point is aware I'm sure.


4.) 03 Jun 2024 20:52:27
Not that bothered how long they take if the get the right person in place at the end of it.


5.) 03 Jun 2024 20:59:54
Hope not amad that would be very late surely especially to make a change. Can understand the financial impact but it just doesn’t seem to be very helpful for anyone.


6.) 03 Jun 2024 23:17:19
We are already into June and the season is over, so we're in a low to no revenue period come what may. Our P&L will not be affected significantly one way or another by a managerial change announcement. What will affect it will be the recognition any transfer gains or losses timing.


7.) 04 Jun 2024 00:21:56
Maybe it is a case of nothing to report. It would be a first if UTD came out each year with a statement advising they were retaining the manager etc.
Like, I get it, some want a change, but that doesn't mean they will announce if they are not changing, rightly or wrongly.


8.) 04 Jun 2024 05:20:21
shaw

Same thing like transfers if they have to pay 10-15 million in comps to the coaching staff as reported if they make a change. Its a charge that will hit your pl for the year and recognized in the last quarter report.


9.) 04 Jun 2024 06:48:14
Jimbo, there would be a meltdown on here if there was no announcement and things continued as normal ?.


10.) 04 Jun 2024 08:58:57
A meltdown akin to Chernobyl ??.


11.) 04 Jun 2024 09:20:06
I think there's a couple of ways of looking at it.
1, that there was always going to be an end of season review (that actually took place after the final game) . Seems quite logical.
2, that constant speculation and stories, some maybe true or leaked, mostly media spin, have tainted the process and painted Ineos (perhaps rightly, or unjustly) in rather a bad light as not really knowing what they're doing at all.

Personally I try to avoid all the spin-off stories that the second option brings, although as fans we like to read all those and wonder if there's anything in them.

The things we know (that we have actually heard people involved say) are Erik saying that the end of season review had already taken place. Seems a bit bizarre and maybe another example of him being lost in translation. But surely he knows better than me. Then all this talk of other managers being spoken to before the cup final and even this week? The process is more than a little concerning, if you're talking to other girls you need to dump the first one right off - don't you? :p.


12.) 04 Jun 2024 12:00:23
I don't think anybody will have any sort of meltdown.
The management team will do what's best and they know best and are the only ones that matter.
So what they decide will be what I will support.
The only people that could potentially have a meltdown are those that think they know better, and considering none of them actually know better it will just be the same empty vessels making noise.
I've no doubt that everybody won't be happy as it's impossible to keep everybody happy but those that put their money in and have a degree of expertise are the only ones that count.


13.) 04 Jun 2024 14:55:03
Interesting to find that you've changed your stance Ken, from being so extreme in your view that ten Hag has known for months, to "what they decide will be what I will support".


14.) 04 Jun 2024 17:17:08
Not changed my view at all wazza. Wazza what are you talking about. Look back t what I have said from day 1. There are many posts where I said if they see something that is not obvious to me then they obviously are better informed and I'll support their decision 100%
I don't expect them to do a u turn at all anyhow. I am still certain he will not be our manager next year. I can't see any reason for them to keep him. He's has known since the beginning of April that other coaches have been approached for his position.


15.) 04 Jun 2024 18:53:19
Like this forum’s Farage for the past couple of months with the extremism of your views, and now that stance is softening. Interesting to see how things will be at the start of July.


16.) 04 Jun 2024 19:58:00
As per above my stance us not softening at all I hope he us fired I believe he will be.
But I won't withdraw support or stop going like you did that would be childish it's one of my hobbies after all. And I would stop going because the club employ someone I don't approve of.
I won't do a wazza and throw my toys out of the pram.


17.) 04 Jun 2024 20:17:29
There might be a few that melt Tumble. Some of the opinions have been 'hard sack' orientated. Those folk will melt like a cheap chocolate on a mild spring day.


18.) 04 Jun 2024 21:44:29
Love it Jim. You can see those staunch views softening now, becoming “hope” rather than “he has known for months”.


 

 

 

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Hope so Blackpool…think that announcement would send this whole forum into a meltdown! Might actually be the one time we are all in agreement ??.

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