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24 May 2022 09:00:11
Don't suppose we have any interest in Bowen do we 002?


{Ed002's Note - Not that I am aware.}



19 May 2022 14:31:45
Looks like wan bissaka could be on his way out. Be lucky to get half what we paid for him, yet another example of p. poor buying.


1.) 19 May 2022 15:47:19
And Henderson to Newcastle

Get the money in to get De Jong!

2.) 19 May 2022 15:47:46
I assume this means there is definite interest in a new rightback as surely that isn't Dalot.

3.) 19 May 2022 16:43:33
AWB could be a good right back for the right team with the right set up.

He really isn't suited to how EtH likes to play.

Dalot could adapt and play that style. The question is whether he has the ability to play that role to the level we need him to.

We also have players like Williams and Laird who could provide competition.

4.) 19 May 2022 16:51:30
Rumours that he's looking at Denzel Dumfries from Inter Milan.

5.) 19 May 2022 17:12:10
After watching Williams quite a lot this season he's gone backwards.
Dumfries is an easy link to make and I'd bite Inter's hand off, he was arguably Holland's best player at the Euros.

6.) 19 May 2022 17:46:19
First off Dumfries, he is Dutch then obviously we are going for him.

Not of the opinion that any of the FBs in our squad have a future at the club.

Have heard good things about the two FB in the youth team though. Hopefully in a few years both make it to the first team.

7.) 19 May 2022 15:51:03
Hi Ed, is there any chance Denzel Dumfries could be of interest to Utd and would Inter be open to a sale? Lazy Dutch connections aside, he's always looked ace for Holland.

{Ed002's Note - Denzel Dumfries (RB) A potential Emerson Royal replacement for Spurs. Bayern Munich also have a declared interest but I cannot see the player being interested in being cover only. Inter will not want to sell and want to hang on to their younger players. I am not aware of any approach from Manchester United.}

8.) 19 May 2022 18:13:42
Behave shappy, Dalot is not the long term answer! I can think of a dozen right backs in the league better than him easily!

9.) 19 May 2022 18:34:54
Chris, he probably isn't, yet the reality is that at every club there are players who don't seem good enough under one manager then they step up and become a key player under the next manager.

Dalot was one of the best full back prospects when signed. He did very well on loan at AC Milan.

He has been given a dozen or so games under a temporary manager after most of the squad had clocked off and the team was playing the poorest football of the last 30 years.

It's a bit hard to judge him based on that to be honest.

10.) 19 May 2022 20:34:52
AWB does not have the ability that EtH needs from his FB so this looks the logical solution whether that is on loan next year or sale. Dalot I think will be given the chance with one of the youth players alongside potentially a new transfer coming in. I doubt we will look to spend note than £15m so likely to look at the European leagues or championship for an up and coming player.
Dalot could be a fall in the second evolution of the team but does deserve a chance.

11.) 20 May 2022 00:35:03
Awb is poor he got away with it for far to long because he could make that tackle, which he has now lost.

He can't pass, can't control a ball, can't cross and his best attribute he's lost.

Dalot under a proper coach will shine, you can see he has the potential.

But saying that he is poor defensivly, always asleep at the back post, switches off in games, maybe ten hag can work on this and maybe with a cb who speaks and organises he might improve, but for me we need a rb to compete with dalot unless williams is going to be that man.

12.) 20 May 2022 06:12:59
We let AWB down.

He came into the team with a big reputation following his fantastic performances for Palace.

Landed in with Ole and Crew, in a completely mess of a system and was not properly coached. His progress stagnated and now we are left with a player who never knew if he was coming or going.

Best of luck to him, I hope he gets a decent opportunity somewhere else.

13.) 20 May 2022 08:54:56
Not many players get past AWB. His failure was not being coached properly so that his attacking skills developed. I would keep him for at least one more season and see if he could improve in this area. It didn't hell him that he never played in a settled competent back four.

14.) 20 May 2022 10:20:40
AWB going? Fantastic news. Pants player who should never have been bought by Man Utd let alone for £50 million.

15.) 20 May 2022 12:15:31
Shappy - Dalot is absolutely sh*t! end of.

16.) 20 May 2022 13:22:04
angelred players need to take a bit of responsibility. It’s not Ole or any other coaches fault he can’t overlap or cross a ball. His tackling is impeccable, going forward he’s poor.

17.) 20 May 2022 20:14:23
Dalot can’t defend can’t attack! Sell him and move on!

18.) 20 May 2022 20:49:28
I think Bolger hits the nail on the head with needing a leader and organiser at the back.

AWB is a failure of the coaching system in one aspect but also the scouting system.

I don't know if he himself is partly responsible. Maybe he has tried to get better going forward, but considering he was a converted winger I have no idea what he was doing playing on the wing cause he has showed nothing that makes me think he could do anything there.

19.) 21 May 2022 00:08:06
I don’t think AWB was a bad buy.

He hasn’t worked out, but at the time it made sense. He was young, with decent pace and physicality, and an excellent tackle. It looked like he might become an excellent full back.

Sometimes young players don’t work out, and he was one of them. I do think the coaching hasn’t done him any favours, but it’s impossible to say how much of it is that, and how much is him.

20.) 21 May 2022 12:15:33
Dalot is not the answer either and it seems like Utd could get a few quid for him so they should take that opportunity.

This whole squad needs cleaning out. About 20 players should be shown the door.

21.) 21 May 2022 17:11:57
Zeki Celik an option at RB?



09 Mar 2021 11:35:48
Rumours today that cavani will not be extending, any truth in this Ed’s?


{Ed002's Note - Edinson Cavani (S) out of contract and wants to move to Boca Juniors. His agent has a plan to offer, as I have mentioned before, Andre Silva (S) who was recomemnded to several clubs, certainly including Everton and Manchester United, by a very high-end independent scout who used to play in the Premier League. This dates back to last summer before his loan became a permanent move. But his agent may look to figure out a move to Old Trafford if Cavani leaves.}

1.) 09 Mar 2021 12:43:02
Not a good news that Cavani would be looking to leave. With Martial blowing hot and cold, we would definitely need a reliable Centre Forward.

2.) 09 Mar 2021 12:32:42
Ed, if its not too much trouble could you tell us what other forwards we may look at as replacements?

{Ed002's Note - There is not much at this time - if Kane were available at a reasonable price they would be keen. There has been interest in Moussa Dembele (S) whose loan is not going at all well at Atletico Madrid and that may put them off taking up their option to buy the player - would now be seen as risky but Manchester Inited could yet offer an option. Or they could look to the versatility of a Leon Bailey type player.}

3.) 09 Mar 2021 13:12:28
Wow I wasn't expecting that. Such a shame as he's made a positive impact when available. One of those players I wish we'd signed a number of years ago.

It makes signing a centre forward a top priority if Cavani is to leave.

Thanks for the info Ed.

{Ed002's Note - The alternative would be another Falcao, ZI, EC type player at the end of their careers that MU might be able to squeeze a little more out of him.}

4.) 09 Mar 2021 13:32:37
Ed002 Can I ask if there's any interest in Dominic Calvert-Lewin? I couldn't find anything on a search so perhaps not.

{Ed002's Note - No there isn’t.}

5.) 09 Mar 2021 13:51:02
Thank you Ed.

6.) 09 Mar 2021 16:28:36
I don't proclaim to understand all the nuances around contracts but I always thought it was a 1 year deal with the option to extend for a further year and that the club could trigger that extra year.
Apologies if this is wrong and I have missunderstood how this works.
I have always liked Cavani and wished we had got him years ago, beast of a team player.

{Ed077's Note - I have really liked Cavani when he has played; but he has missed too many games and struggled to get an extended run to make a big difference on a consistent basis.

7.) 09 Mar 2021 17:52:43
His dad has pretty much confirmed he’s going to boca in the summer.

8.) 09 Mar 2021 17:54:30
If Utd want to compete they’re going to have to bite the bullet and buy a top striker in the summer. Cavani has been pretty good but he’s too injury prone for another season. We may end up wasting our time on a fruitless pursuit of Haaland.

9.) 09 Mar 2021 18:37:13
Or play Greenwood up top and buy a Sancho type player.

{Ed002's Note - Like Bailey.}

10.) 09 Mar 2021 18:53:02
I think Bailey doesn't have an attitude problem or ego like Sancho has.

11.) 09 Mar 2021 20:44:24
When did martial blow hot this season. been blowing cold and colder.

12.) 09 Mar 2021 22:45:48
Aguero is available on a free 😉.

13.) 10 Mar 2021 08:37:55
Martial had had an average season. However the season before he was excellent. Maybe now he knows Cavani is off has improved his performance and mood.

As per Ed’s comments, I think the club know they’ll not get Haaland, C.V. has stopped them splashing mega millions, so Bailey or similar etc will come and Greenwood will rotate up front with Martial.

Should Pogba stay and extend, we will not need an extra creative midfielder.

Let’s be honest, last season’s front three of Rashford, Martial and Greenwood was awesome. Just lacked strength in depth and options.

Not sure who made the point but goals aren’t the issue it seems - goals against are.

I think a summer of three signings is the absolute maximum we will see/ require - CB, DM, Forward. Maybe a punt on Jovic/ Dembele/ Bailey would be sensible.

{Ed077's Note - really Martial has had an average season in you eyes?

Martial has had one good game this season which was against City last Sunday and has consistently been one of the worst players throughout the season IMO.}

14.) 10 Mar 2021 08:53:27
I think we are too quick to want to offload players Ed77. Yes he’s been below par this season, but last season he was one of our best players. There’s a quality player in there, and it’s up to him, OGS and coaching team to get that player out consistently. Whether it’s because he’s sulking, hates competition, has personal issues or the tactics don’t suit him. I have no idea but I for one would be keen to keep him over spending £50m+ on someone else who we don’t need.

{Ed077's Note - but he has been woeful this season. If managers arent afforded the luxury of having a poor poor season than why is a player who has had 1 good season in 4-5 yrs and a horrible season so far be given the first choice role? Cavani has made himself first choice when fit this season so I dont see your argument in saying signing someone to replace him if he leaves isnt needed.}

15.) 10 Mar 2021 09:15:58
Not arguing he’s been poor Ed - that’s been clear to see. But the coaching staff have to look at why, and also why do they keep playing him if he lacks the talent (which don’t believe is the issue) .

Regarding the Cavani love in that’s the point. He’s not been readily available at all due to consistent muscle injuries that have been a part of his career for recent years and he wants out - his Dad made that pretty clear yesterday.

{Ed077's Note - And most are saying if Cavani leaves we need to replace him, because he has effectively been first choice when available. The frustration with Martial isnt because people think he lacks talent, actually its the opposite, he just doesnt do anywhere near what he is capable of, for most people.}

16.) 10 Mar 2021 09:32:37
He is a frustrating player for sure. He’s not a striker though either as we can all see. Cavani has highlighted a need in our team that should be addressed. A No9 who is cunning, aggressive, and occupies defenders allowing Rashford, Bruno, Greenwood, and dare I say Martial to play off them.

{Ed077's Note - Thats too many attackers lol.

Martial was played on the left wing, people said he was more of a No.9. Now he hasnt been much better as a CF so he is a CAM?}

17.) 10 Mar 2021 09:37:19
Wing back next! The truth is watching the whole team is currently frustrating. They’re all hot and cold with the exception of Bruno.

{Ed077's Note - I think someone else said it here but Martial has not been hot this season, he has been cold and colder. I thought last season the penny had finally dropped for Martial but he has gone back to his previous sulky self.}

18.) 10 Mar 2021 09:46:47
Then it’s a mental block rather than an ability one it seems.

{Ed077's Note - he is 25 yrs old already, he wont get over his "mental block" now if he is so weak mentally. For me he doesnt have the fire on his belly to be a top top player.}

19.) 10 Mar 2021 10:36:22
martial has been poor because that is the player he is. no time for players who don't want to work hard,

he is lazy, doesn't make run doesn't stretch players, and other than the ok game against city he has been terrible.

20.) 10 Mar 2021 12:01:00
Never seen anyone so blindly defend martial. He’s piss poor and he’s had more than enough time to showcase his abilities.

21.) 10 Mar 2021 12:39:34
Because interestingly over 250 games for the club both he and Rashford share almost identical goals and assist records and I assume we’ve not yet got started on the Rashford bashing just yet? Nothing blind about my analysis- he’s a highly effective player when in form. Which this season he is not. Yet he is still preferred above other options byvarious managers and coaches. They must see something others don’t.

{Ed077's Note - Jose didn't want to keep him. LVG didn't have many options. OGS is the only manager that you can say has continued with him and even then Martial doesn't play the major games if Cavani is available. Cavani has shown him up, Martial just doesn't do enough to be leading the line for a team that has aspirations to compete at the highest level.

Also were you not around when people wanted Rashford to be dropped and even sold just a few months ago. And Radford offers a lot more to the team than Martial, and he is homegrown and club trained so even if you have to choose between the 2 of them the sensible option is to choose Rashford. Also don't forget Rashford is almost 2 years younger.

22.) 10 Mar 2021 12:53:41
Age is irrelevant as people develop at different rates both mentally and physically.

I was around reading the ridiculous posts about getting rid of Rashford, just as I am now on Martial. You back up my point Ed.

As for Jose - this is the same Jose created an horrendous atmosphere amongst players and fans at our club, that tried to force out Luke Shaw and dropped him for Ashley Young and played Fellaini every week. The same Jose that has Bale and Dele Alli on the bench every week at Spurs? Yeah I remember him and good riddance to him.

Seems to me if there is a problem with Martial, then the criticism should be aimed at the manager, coaches and club for keeping him.

23.) 10 Mar 2021 14:59:33
Eric, Rashford's work rate is incomparable to Martial.
Even in the last match, Rashy chased down 70 yards to stop a City attack.

Will Martial do that?
Work rate and right attitude is the bare minimum expected from any player.

24.) 10 Mar 2021 16:43:38
I’m not criticising either player (especially not Rashford) in any of my posts. I think they’re both valuable players for our team. In fact anybody asking for Rashford to be sold I think is a fool.

I’d love to see the stats though behind this lazy tag on how little Martial works and runs - is this published anywhere? It’s genuinely a really fascinating debate and why I love football as two people can see and interpret the same thing very differently.

{Ed077's Note - but you also seem to think that Martial is a great and has been doing well and people are wrong to criticise him; or thats how your posts portray which in my opinion, MY OPINION is surprising given how poor Martial has been all season.}

25.) 10 Mar 2021 17:58:55
Not at all. Nowhere have I said he’s had a good season. Read what I have said. Although Do I think he’s a good player though? Yes I absolutely do.

To label him as lazy though is an interesting one for me - I’d like to see how much runs compared to the team using stats before I agree or disagree. The perception is he’s lazy due to his style, but not sure whether the facts back that up.

We decided to move him to a 9 - this is his second full full season in that role. l as a professional footballer at elite level. He’s learning it as he goes and was never going to be as good as Cavani at it in that side of time who is a proven craftsman at his trade in that piston albeit a dwindling force now. The fact he’s not massively improved at it, in fact regressed this season, I think is more damning on our manager (an ex striker) and coaches than it is him.

{Ed077's Note - I didnt say you said he has had a good season. Read what I have said. I dont think anybody likes his body language and application most of the times and it is understandable why it puts some people off specially during his bad runs, which have been more frequent than his good runs.

You seem to miss one very important point in a lot of this discussion; that most of the striker talk has been around the fact that Cavani seems very willing to leave for Boca Juniors and hence needs replacing. Some want to get shot of Martial instead of Cavani but that looks less likely.}

26.) 10 Mar 2021 18:18:43
His body language and style do give the wrong perception Ed for sure. I also think he does run - just makes the wrong type of runs as he’s not been trained as a natural a striker.

Given Cavani almost certainly gone, who’s your pick to replace if we assume Haaland is not an option? Jovic? Silva? Greenwood moved centrally?

{Ed077's Note - DCL maybe, although looks unlikely. Maybe Patson Daka. I am a little bit skeptical about signing attackers from Frankfurt. I am unsure whether the players are so good or if its the system and the manager thats really good. But if the club is convinced about Andre Silva then he will have full support from me.

27.) 10 Mar 2021 18:25:10
DCL would be my choice but he’s going to be too pricey I think.

Silva looking likely. Or keep Martial 😂😂😂😂.

{Ed077's Note - keep Martial but still need to replace Cavani. The academy lads dont look ready just yet either.}

28.) 10 Mar 2021 18:31:00
No I’d agree on that. Few years off yet.

29.) 11 Mar 2021 00:23:30
If I were EW I’d be going all out for Haaland. He hasn’t been able to get a proper run in the side due to injuries and suspension, but Cavani has shown us what a difference a proper CF can do in this side and for my money there isn’t a better one out there than Haaland right now.

Despite our poor relationship with his agent, I do wonder whether we’re well placed to strike a deal due to the Pogba situation. IIrc, were we to sell him this summer the fee would go to Pogba and his agent and so there’s very little incentive for us to do so unless we can strike some sort of deal. If that deal happened to be allowing them to keep all of the fee in exchange for getting a deal for Haaland over the line then I certainly wouldn’t say no. By all accounts, Dortmund need to sell, Haaland isn’t against a move to Manchester and his agent will likely push for whichever deal is going to line his pockets the most. It seems very doable, although will no doubt cost a lot.

I hate football agents and how greedy and influential they’ve become, but sometimes you have to deal with the devil in order to get things done. If we don’t, one of our rivals will.



11 Jan 2021 23:50:46
Moussa dembele joins atletico, seems a simeone striker to me be good to see how he gets on. Looks like caicedo is heading to Brighton then out on loan. TFM to Bayer Leverkusen.


1.) 12 Jan 2021 06:51:11
I wonder why Utd opted against Caicedo?

ED002 I read reports that there were a lot of intermediaries involved in this pote tial transfer, is that true?

{Ed002's Note - It is not uncommon with South American players.}

2.) 12 Jan 2021 11:02:21
Hatter, While I can't speak for the club, personally I was a little surprised by the link to Caicedo in the first place. Obviously a talented player and supposedly available for a very fair price.

Yet what United need is someone ready and able to step in and be that holding midfielder we can build the next side around. I'm not sure a 19 year old coming straight out of South America is the right person for that.

We have some depth in midfield already, with Pogba, Matic, Fred, McTominay and Donny. While we have some excellent young players of a similar age to Caicedo coming through, Garner being the obvious and most highly rated of them.

Personally I think we need that holding shielding player who can control the tempo. Saul would be ideal, Rice could be a good option as well. I think Caicedo looks better in a more box to box role, and at his age and level of experience I don't think he is ready to jump in and be first choice.

3.) 12 Jan 2021 11:06:17

Saul would be ideal. It's a shame Pogba wasn't allowed to go in the summer and Saul bought in as a replacement.

4.) 12 Jan 2021 11:06:31
Thanks ED002.



30 Jul 2020 11:51:46
Anybody interested in taking Chong on loan for next season at the moment Ed’s?


{Ed002's Note - Not that I am aware.}




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14 Aug 2022 07:42:10
Gonna be funny to see if shappy still thinks Martinez can be a CB. Been exposed majorly in both games so far.

Not a CB for me, whatsoever. And if this is as you keep saying his 'best position' then we've been robbed of 50 million.


1.) 14 Aug 2022 08:16:41
Just shows how poor the club is ran. The club wanted pau torres have scouted him for 3 years. Ten hag comes in says he wants martinez, we over pay and bring him in without having the back bone to stick to a plan. Martinez will never work in the prem. He may be a good footballer but he will just be bullied in every game.
The club need to stuck to a plan, if that's buying players for ten hag to coach rather than players he likes so be it.
Things will get a lot worse before they get better.

2.) 14 Aug 2022 08:21:11
Agreed. I thought he had a howler and was poor against brighton and no better yesterday. We have our highest spend in this window so far on a player that people are going to try and figure out where to play him except the position we bought him for.

3.) 14 Aug 2022 08:52:58
Martinez should never play in a centre back role, said this in an earlier post. Unfortunately we are stuck with the player so we now need to mix it up and see if it works with him sat in front of the back two.

There are posters who go on and on with lots of drivel, but it’s just pie in the sky and doesn’t reflect reality. The reality is that we’ve bought a lad in to play centre half who isn’t big or good enough. It’s obvious to see.

More rubbish that was spouted was about Ralf been clueless and been one of our worst managers. He might not have been the best day to day manager, but his appraisal of the squad was bang on. We should have fought tooth and nail to keep him on in some capacity.

4.) 14 Aug 2022 09:13:00
I said this before he was signed and all I got was abuse and talk about Cannavaro. Cannavaro was 1 in a million. Literally. Martinez is nowhere near and never will be as a CB.

5.) 14 Aug 2022 09:15:29
I’d suggest Martinez could have done better for 1 of the 6 goals we have conceded this season. Maguire has been worse and with DDG doing what he’s doing for 3 or 4 of those goals, you could stick Maldini in front of him and next to Maguire and would make no difference. Martinez’s height has not been exposed yet, they’ll be some posters that will say it was for Mee’s goal but he just misreads the flight of the ball, Mee was falling backwards when he headed it so not like he dominated Martinez.

Maguire doesn’t press players when they are close to goal and makes no effort to get back into the danger area when the ball goes wide, just ambles back in. Take Maguire out of the team and stick Malacia at LB.

6.) 14 Aug 2022 09:22:42
I think he can be, but I've never seen any CB play well alongside Harry Maguire. While Shaw doesn't help much either. Although yesterday I'd lay the majority of the blame at DDG's feet, literally for Jensen's goal.

We have a group of players who when the pressure is on they told like a deck of cards. The plan, the tactics, everything goes out the window.

DDG gifted Brentford a two goal lead and the players heads dropped. They lost all fight.

Martinez as a CB is never going to work on a team under constant pressure and expected to defend regularly. In a team that has the majority of possession and controls the game he is a great player.

Personally I think EtH has been caught out by the nature of the EPL.

We have lost two games while having 63% and 67% possession.

Having the ball isn't enough in the EPL, it's where you have it. As teams will look to attack the moment they win back the ball.

Even though we had the majority of the ball in both games the shooting numbers tell a very different story (17 Vs 15 against Brighton, and 13 Vs 15 against Brentford) . Which highlights you don't need to have a lot of the ball to have a good volume of shots (13-15).

We have a lot of the ball, but it tends to be with our weakest players on the ball and mostly in our own half. Simply put we either cannot play this way with players like Fred and McTominay or we cannot play with Fred and McTominay.

People are complaining about our forward players such as Rashford, Bruno and Sancho. Yet in truth they are hardly getting on the ball at all, the midfield is struggling to progress the ball into the forward areas, meaning our best attacking players are having to drop deeper and deeper just to get on the ball. When they do they are often too far away from the goal and in too crowded an area to do much with it.

They aren't good the problem, midfield and defence is.

With where we are now, I'd change the plan and look at bringing in better options in both midfield and defence. As we have no chance of playing how EtH wants us to play with the options we have there right now.

We NEED two midfielders, a GK, a RB and a CB. In the meantime I'd be playing Martinez in midfield in place of McFred, as he'd at least not turn over the ball as often as they do and might actually give us a base to build from and progress the ball.

While we might be shy of numbers and quality in the forward areas, we do have young players who can fill a hole in the side if needed.

However, Maguire, Fred and McTominay should be relegated to the bench for the rest of the season. As none are capable of playing how EtH wants, in fact they are liabilities.

7.) 14 Aug 2022 09:43:42
Ports recommend you read what the brentford manager said about him and how mcguire had to switch a lot to give him cover. He can’t play as a cb in this league. Every team will target him and he will get mauled week in week out. For the money spent its a very poor signing.

Maybe switch him to left back and live with the fact that he has contract till 2027. Not big enough or good enough to be playing in midfield either. Guys his size who play in mid make up for it with being very good technically, fast feet and turn and burst of speed he is not that level either.

8.) 14 Aug 2022 09:52:28
A bit miffed by the defense of martinez by some posters here. Some players even when having a bad day show you a thing or two in a game, where you think okay he is lot better than today, whether its a 40 yard pass across the pitch to find a player or a bit of magic in close quarters. So far seen zero from martinez to think that.

Long season let’s see. I think he is shell shocked by the physicality and pace of the game in pl.

9.) 14 Aug 2022 10:28:01
We’ll concede more goals from players running in behind Maguire like Welbeck did for Brightons 1st goal and Maguire not getting back into position then Martinez’s height being exposed.

I guess I am defending to a degree but don’t think he is the sole reason or problem when Maguire has been far worse IMO as has Shaw and Dalot. Throw in DDG at the moment and Torres, Dias, VVD would all be exposed in this defence. People have made their mind up on Martinez after 2 games in a line up with Dalot, Maguire and Shaw and a GK who is throwing balls in his own goal and won’t come out of his 6 yard box for crosses.

If Torres had been signed, they’d target him because he’s new to the league.

This fan base want to back the manager, criticise his decisions, back his transfers, slate his transfers. The problem this club has are far greater than ETH and Martinez.

10.) 14 Aug 2022 10:39:13
Im Piling in too - said it many times 5ft 9 CH won't work in the toughest league in Europe.

Pau Torres. Koubibaly, Milenkovic, Nathan collins (for the future) were all getable -plus half a dozen you followers of European football could name

Again, RR as DOF had plans, a list of players he identified for problem positions -ETH is winging it

Martinez calling himself "the butcher of Amsterdam " - the butcher from our local Tescos would nt be any worse.

11.) 14 Aug 2022 11:07:25
Leicester could soon be awash with money and in need of a centre half if they sell Ffofana to Chelsea. Could be our best ever chance to get rid of Maguire.

12.) 14 Aug 2022 11:08:21
Ports the first goal is martinez, he has to pick up welbecks run mate. Mcguire does not have eyes in the back of his head. Watch it again. All martinez mate.

Not defending any player, i think shaw is useless offers nothing going forward or defending. Can’t remember a decent cross from him in yonkers. Mcguire was a horrible buy imo too, slow on the ball and a bit clumsy.

I will eat my shoes if martinez does not turn out to be poor buy. 57 mill pounds, criminal.

Watched a bein sports interview recently with marcel desailly. Came from all conquering milan team, beast of a player. Said his first season at chelsea he was a bit shocked and found the league very difficult, physically was not strong enough and had to put a lot off work in his first year to get there as cdm. Later on When he played cb, he was honest to say terry covered for him and did all the hard work.

He was 6-2 and had size and girth. The league back then was not as physical as it is now. Everyone is faster and bigger. With diets and all the tech, training its faster and more physical.

13.) 14 Aug 2022 11:11:57
Ports, have a read back over posts from before the season started, people had made up their minds about Martinez before he had even kicked a ball for us.

Now people are just trying to say they were right and give themselves a pat on the back.

We have conceded 6 goals and Martinez has only been partially culpable for one of them. DDG has been directly responsible for 2, Maguire responsible for 2 and Shaw for 1.

Did Mee dominate Martinez at the near post to tower above him or easily brush him off the ball to score? No he didn't.

The baal went deep from the corner, over the head of Maguire with the 6ft Dalot being beaten in the air at the far post, the ball went back across goal. Both DDG and Martinez got caught under the ball and Ben Mee falling backwards at the near post was able to direct a header in. When his head hit the ball his head was about 5ft off the ground. But don't let that change the agenda that Martinez will be out jumped or muscled for headers.

Has Martinez been great? Obviously not, yet both Maguire and DDG have been directly responsible for more goals conceded.

14.) 14 Aug 2022 11:23:48
NC, What was Maguire doing for the first goal against Brighton? He either needs to get tight to the guy on the ball or drop back into his RCB position. He does neither and strolls across the pitch and points at Martinez to do what he should be then doesn't cover the space Martinez has to vacate to cover for Maguire.

You don't need eyes in the back of your head if you are properly scanning the pitch rather than ball watching. Maguire doesn't understand how to read a game, he doesn't understand space, he just ball watches and tries to react. Unfortunately he has neither the pace or the mobility to defend well like that.

I'd also suggest that you must be very young if you think the EPL is a more physical league now than it was 10 or 20 years ago.

It's a more technical league now played at a greater pace. But it certainly isn't more physical, Roy Keane would be sent off every game in the EPL now. You can't challenge a keeper in the air now, you can't jump with your elbow up, no high tackles, no tackling from behind etc. Its a much less physically challenging game now than 20 years ago.

15.) 14 Aug 2022 11:29:22
Nathan Ake is 5,10” everyone. He seems to be doing pretty well for himself.

16.) 14 Aug 2022 11:37:13
So many experts ?.

17.) 14 Aug 2022 11:38:08
Martinez goes with the runner, Maguire is not scanning and has no clue Welbeck is behind him, had he, he steps and Welbeck is offside. But once that ball is in, Maguire shows no urgency or desire to sprint back, basic defending when the ball is in behind is get back in, he sprints and the cross from Welbeck which was the only ball he could play as Martinez had followed him is roofed by Maguire into row z but no, he strolls back in and watches the cross go by him. Shaw does nothing to pick up the goal scorer.

18.) 14 Aug 2022 11:49:21
Lol, Shappy i am 55 and run a decent size business with two institutional shareholders.

You confuse clamping down on bad fouls with what the general trend has been in pl. Back then you could get away with a lack of skills and speed with playing dirty and hacking your opponent down 10 times a game.

The players today need to be faster, fitter and you will get found out early if you are not good enough. Two borderline sinister fould and you can be sent off.

If united were on the market one of my shareholders would get involved. We are institutional, no sugar daddies.

19.) 14 Aug 2022 12:10:05
Nathan Ake got rapid pace and Dias beside him and still he is not Pep first choice centre back.
Martinez lacks pace, lacks physical presence and got Mc Guire next to him and no midfield in front of him
It’s impossible to defend this but though it’s terrible waste of 60 million, but it’s Ten he fixated with Dutch league! That as to change rapidly Ten as to change rapidly been caught with his pants down twice now, which is criminal and that’s against supposedly lower level teams. Shocking.

20.) 14 Aug 2022 12:37:46
Martinez has played two games and you lot have written him off. Wow. He has more football brain than the whole lot at the back including Ddg, who has been responsible for most goals this year.
It's pathetic how people get on Martinez back because he's not tall. It shows a lack of football knowledge. With better dedenders, he'll be excellent, but he's got mcguire next to him. I also think he'll suit 3 at the back formation instead of the flat back 4.

21.) 14 Aug 2022 13:14:20
AAA…your just trying to be opposite, can you say hand on heart forget everything else, your manager you have 60 mil to spend you would have bought Martinez, in fact would you have even heard of him let alone bought him!

We all know answer to that question, probably be 100% too if everyone ask, no one would have bought Martinez. NO ONE.

22.) 14 Aug 2022 13:20:09
Well AAA, Frank and Potter admit to singling him out and they got all 6 points and 6 goals from it.
I know he’s a good player. Hopefully just an adjustment period now. Much better players ie Stam, Blanc, Ferdinand were crap when they first signed.
Besides, who’s right, a bunch of padty keyboard warriors and Sky pundits, or ten Hag? Ten Hag knows… right? ?.



15 Jul 2022 22:50:14
Might not have noticed my post that made its way onto discussions but Baillys runs in preseason. could he have a role at DM?


1.) 16 Jul 2022 01:09:04
No, just no.

2.) 16 Jul 2022 06:56:23
It's pre season, but you can play what's ahead of you. He plays as a CB alongside Telles, who can't defend.
He has made a huge impact in 2 goals in 2 games, is our quickest CB and has been very aggressive. He lacks discipline but he's always been a good defender. Wouldn't be wrong to say just on preseason form he's been our best CB.
I want the new United to promote players who are playing well. Bailly deserves a first team run, if he doesn't get it then what's the point of giving him mins? If Bailly played first half, we might not have conceded.

3.) 16 Jul 2022 07:14:06
Surely this is a joke?

4.) 16 Jul 2022 08:51:07
Bailly played at least 2 terrible passes that normally would be 2 goals lost.

5.) 16 Jul 2022 08:51:09
Bailey’s biggest issue has and will always be his fitness. Even if he were suited to the dm role, his inability to avoid injuries would make him a poor fit for it. I like Bailey, but I think the time has come for him to leave. His recent performances will hopefully have added a million or two to his price tag.

6.) 16 Jul 2022 08:57:28
Wondering how Maguire was ahead of Bailly last season.
Even in yesterday's games, Maguire's lack of pace was exposed.

7.) 16 Jul 2022 09:38:43
Bailly is a classy centre half on his day and he likes a tackle……but that’s his problem. He’s got the breaking strain of a Kit Kat.

8.) 16 Jul 2022 10:09:08
Sell him as soon as possible if someone is crazy enough to offer us decent money for him.
Cm ha ha. he can't control or pass a ball.

9.) 16 Jul 2022 11:20:59
likeable, honest no nonsense CH - normally would be a great asset-problem is the rush of blood to the head every 2 or 3 games and the fact that he's probably in the treatment room right now having played 2 games. Needs a fresh start elsewhere and good luck to him.

10.) 16 Jul 2022 13:18:22
He is a player who gets himself into all sorts of trouble but does get some great recoveries.
I sort of like him but I'm not sure he will ever be consistent enough for united.
As for being a midfielder imo that would be a complete catastrophe.
He lacks most of the attributes a midfielder needs.

11.) 16 Jul 2022 16:29:56
I’m still laughing at thought of him playing Centre midfield, incredible!



24 May 2022 09:05:52
Think maybe going back to the fergie policy of trying to sign established players in the league could work well for EtH. Bowen and neves being among my picks. Saying that it didn't work so well with Maguire or Sanchez did it ?.


1.) 24 May 2022 09:22:20
At the right price, definitely upgrades over what we have.
I don't think getting Bowen would be easy. He's been very clinical for them. not sure what his contract situation is though.

2.) 24 May 2022 11:45:34
Rohanarora8 - getting a player from West Ham is never easy especially when your Man United.
They still harp on about the Paul Ince transfer in 1989.

3.) 24 May 2022 12:37:06
The club have no interest in bowen.

4.) 24 May 2022 17:12:14
There is definitely an advantage to signing players who have been successful at other EPL clubs.

City have signed Stones, Walker, Ake, Sterling, Mahrez and Grealish to varying degrees of success.

Liverpool have signed Robertson, VvD, Henderson, Milner, Mane, AOC and Jota to varying degrees of success.

While not all those players have been hugely successful in the first 11, none have flopped, all being at least solid squad options and all probably giving good value for money.

We should definitely look to see which players in the EPL and even in the Championship who might be able to step up and do a job for us.

That said we shouldn't ignore players in foreign leagues. We need a fairly comprehensive overhaul of the squad and need to bring in many players over the next few years. While players in the EPL might be less likely to flop, they do come at a premium. Which is something we need to balance.

I do feel the a majority of fans though tend to turn their noses up at players already playing in the EPL and prefer an exotic foreign player playing in mainland Europe who they have often only seen once or twice or maybe even just a YouTube highlight reel.

Oddly drawn more to the unknown rather than the familiar.

5.) 24 May 2022 19:49:56
Far from my point ken, hence why I said we should be going for epl targets.

6.) 24 May 2022 21:04:15
I understand your opinion red whiskey I just think it's irrelevant and based on zero knowledge of running a football club and or team.
No point in listing off lots of players the club has no interest in and as for you comment of "we should be going for" what knowledge or experience do you have to think that you know better than our manager or strategist for the summer window?



22 May 2022 19:42:58
Anyone tell me how mejbri played?


1.) 22 May 2022 23:10:58
Outmatched physically a few times but had some decent moments in attack. One good long shot from the edge of the penalty area but it swerved straight to the goalie and another good run into the area but he couldn't get his shot off in time after taking a touch - needed to be a first time shot. Got himself a card after being bullied a bit by Zaha. Not unpromising.

2.) 23 May 2022 07:59:25
Unlike other players he almost scored.



06 Apr 2022 19:47:43
Very very excited about EtH. Complete reset with a new exciting manager is what we need.


1.) 06 Apr 2022 20:28:01
Agree just hope he gets the backing and time as this ain’t no quick fix.

2.) 06 Apr 2022 20:36:10
Like someone mentioned below, I think for me I'll have to judge him on who he ships out first and foremost. Far too many overpaid premadonnas at the club and I hope he draws a line and anyone who crosses it gets shipped out.

3.) 06 Apr 2022 21:10:37
If the answer is Ten Hag, then I am not overwhelmed and retain some concerns. This is going to be a very tough gig, I am not sure TH is that level. I felt Simeone would be best and remain intrigued by Enrique, the club not being willing to wait could be a mistake. I may be wrong, but it would not surprise me to see Enrique at City. I am certainly not against it as I was with the Norwegian and Moyes, but there is a bit of ambivalence. TH had a first class academy behind him, everyone pulling in the same direction at Ajax, he won’t have that and he has to be strong enough to deal with the structure.

If it is TH then good luck, he will need it.

4.) 06 Apr 2022 21:52:20
Its probably the toughest gig in football at the moment Red, but EtH cannot lose. If he fails at United he can blame the lack of support/ structure at the club and will easily get another club, probably in Germany and if he succeeds, he is a genius.

Simone isn't a United manager, he builds great underdog teams, that is not United.

5.) 06 Apr 2022 23:15:08
Simeone? Never in a million years.

6.) 06 Apr 2022 23:17:05
RedMan, we share the same history at United. But if you watched last night and thought the football Athletico played (or not played) is what you want to watch at United, then I fear for our club.

7.) 06 Apr 2022 23:23:18
Redwhiskey, I too am excited. But Ten Hag cannot do it without the backing of the club. I'll be really excited if I see changes at the top.
Will they get rid of Pogba, Lingard, bailly, mata, matic, Pereira, Martial, Cavani and will they buy players with skill AND character?
Will they get rid of Phelan?
The jury is out. Ten Hag will be superb with the right structure, but if they continue what they're doing now, then he'll be gone in two years.

8.) 07 Apr 2022 02:10:33
Simeone lower down my list than Alardyce.

9.) 07 Apr 2022 02:12:17
Simeone is so antifootball it's unreal.

10.) 07 Apr 2022 02:18:30
The stories are already out to undermine him.

Fees to Ajax are more palatable at 2m for him and some backroom staff, verses 15m plus for Poch.

Joel has overruled the advisors at Utd who were unsure and wanted Poch.

EtH wants to bring a handful of players with him from Ajax.

I love the idea of bringing him in. Ship out the un wanted and pre madonnas. Let him judge who they are by the way, not those above him, in the media, the stands or the sofas. Give the guy the final say on who he wants in his squad to move forward, and let the rebuild begin.

Looking like we have a season out of the UCL. So use it to blood an up and coming squad to gel in year 1 and blossom year 2 onwards.

I just hope he finds a style that works in the EPL and for the hungry fans of Manchester.

If he actually joins that is.

11.) 07 Apr 2022 06:20:40
Ten Hag genuinely improves the players which is a very important aspect.
He trusts youngsters which again goes with our club's DNA.

His first challenge would be to bring in new recruits with the right mentality.

12.) 07 Apr 2022 06:28:50

“ Joel has overruled the advisors at Utd who were unsure and wanted Poch. ” I don’t know if that is true but it would be concerning

AAA and others
As to Simeone, yes most disagree but given where we are we need a strong leader, I don’t see that in Ten Hag. We shall see.

13.) 07 Apr 2022 07:07:23
Guys, Red Man has a type. He doesn't really care for good or entertaining football he just likes a manager who has an edge about them, someone who's a bit of a hard nosed person.

He was a big fan of Jose Mourinho, and has been a big advocate of both Simeone and Conte in the past.

All tend to play defensive reactionary football rather than offensive progressive football.

I guess some like blondes others brunettes, then you have Red Man who has a thing for the crazy fiery red heads ?.

14.) 07 Apr 2022 07:07:56
Erm, actually Red Man, Ten Hag is said to be principled and strict with his players down right to dress codes.

He seems nice and soft but he's very much far from that.

Guess who the soft one is when it comes to handling players and their egos between him and Poch? . Yes the latter.

15.) 07 Apr 2022 07:27:16
Excited by this appointment, like many have said though, it's only one piece of the jigsaw. Ten Hag will need time, the right players and to find a way to get the best out if those who are here.

16.) 07 Apr 2022 08:19:44
Redman I am so happy your not the one picking managers simone style of play is atrocious worst team to watch in the whole world of football, hate the theatrics that he instills on his players. If he was hired I don't think I could watch the team at all.

Ten Hag definitely is the most exciting manager we could have got but at the same time I feel it isn't the right time for a manager like him I think poch then a manager like Hag due to the squad and structure not really being suited to him. But at the same time, I think this might be the most I have looked forward to watching football next season than I have for the last 7 or so years.

17.) 07 Apr 2022 08:28:25
Really GDS, I know it's a joke but Simeone is class, takes no prisoners whatsoever.

I'm glad ETH is there, as it feels like a reset for the club. But time will tell, I'm hoping the structure will be there for him.

18.) 07 Apr 2022 08:39:20
Kane, Rice and Neves are the papers' favourite first signings for ten Hag. Urgh.
In other news, fan favourite Araujo has signed a new deal with Barcelona so we need to find a different CB to eye up.

19.) 07 Apr 2022 08:51:14
RedMan, agree that Simeone is a strong personality.
However, our match going fans will really hate his footballing style week in week out.

Yesterday his team didn't have a single shot on target.
Their only plan was to nullify the opposition.

20.) 07 Apr 2022 09:28:42
Red Man, I have lots of Dutch friends over here. Many are Ajax fans. They all say the same thing about Ten Hag he is very strict, trains hard, and expects his players to behave. He's not a Conte character, but very motivated and strict.

21.) 07 Apr 2022 09:50:05
Dodgy, I suspect it's sour grapes from those at the club who wanted Pochettino. Which for me is the bigger concern.

It's one thing to have a player leaking things to the press because they aren't happy. It's another entirely if it's a board member someone from upper management.

Despite our clubs best efforts to prove otherwise players can be easily enough sold or moved on.

As for the quote that Joel Glazer overruled advisors. I think that very much depends on which advisors your talking about.

Supposedly Ralf Rangnick favours EtH, as does Murtaugh and Arnold.

So who are these advisors that wanted Pochettino that have been overruled?

And surely if Joel Glazer decided Pochettino was the best option then wouldn't he be overruling our CEO, DoF and highly regarded football consultant?

If there is a split of opinion then he will have to go against some people.

I find it very odd that we know who at the club wanted and supported EtH but none of the people who are unhappy that it isn't Pochettino are happy to publicly put there name by him. Why is that?

Who is it who is operating in the shadows, pushing an agenda without publicly revealing themselves?

I wonder if it is the same advisors who suggested Moyes to Joel Glazer, or LvG, or Mourinho or Ole.

Maybe it's the same advisor who has advised some of our recent terrible appointments and maybe that has played a role in Joel Glazer going against the grain and listening to the football special-ists the club have employed recently instead of the same old voices that have given us Moyes, LvG and Ole.

22.) 07 Apr 2022 10:01:14
I hope you are all correct, I am not against TH as I was with Moyes and Ole, but I have concerns the set up will leave him exposed, at Ajax, like Barcelona everything is set up. At Utd it’s a mess.

We have had various conversations on new managers and I think you heralded them all, maybe not Jose do much, before gradually going off them. Simeone would win things at Utd, would turn us around even with the idiots above. Winning is what matters. Enrique was the interesting one but seemingly ignored. As with other Managers I give my opinion and see what happens, haven’t got it wrong so far though.

Good luck to TH if that is confirmed yet I am not fully convinced he can bring glory back, but hope so.

23.) 07 Apr 2022 10:08:13
I agree that winning is what matters Red Man, but I do want to enjoy my team playing. I hate watching his teams, if he could play a bit more attacking football he would have been perfect, but he hasn't shown that (at least in the games I have watched) .

Great manager, but I think he is in the perfect place and treated like a god where he is.

24.) 07 Apr 2022 10:34:18
Red Man, I think this is where me and you differ. I'm not confident in ANY manager winning things at the club under the current set up. Or at least the set up we have had over the past 10 years.

For me, with the way the club has been run the only way to win anything is with some good fortune in a cup run.

I wouldn't be confident that Simeone would win things, and I wouldn't be confident that the club would back him or that the players would react any differently to his form of discipline and management to how they reacted to Jose. In fact I expect given how the Jose thing panned out I'd expect the players to turn quicker and harder against someone like Simeone.

Someone like Simeone in my opinion would only work IF the club were to change how they run the club AND fully back the manager.

However, that's probably true for any manager to be a success.

In which case I'd rather have a manager who has a track record of giving youth a chance, developing players and playing entertaining football.

As winning things cannot be guaranteed.

My hope is more in the changes that are happening behind the scenes. Richard Arnold apparently knows his limitations and has no intention on playing fantasy football like Woodward seemed to. We now have Murtaugh and Fletcher having some role, maybe they don't have the best CV's or track record but at least we have people who understand football making football decisions. Ralf Rangnick has a fantastic track record of building clubs up, putting in a winning structure. With his involvement comes more hope that we might be heading in the right direction.

It's all hope of course, there might not be any real change in how the club is run. But at least there is hope that it's changing and evolving now.

The choice of EtH seems to suggest that we are moving away from the type of choices we made in the past and looking to do things in a different way.

Just a case of sitting back and seeing what happens now.

Personally I think it will take 2-3 years before we have a team that can truly challenge AND potentially win.

A team that can push for the title right up until May and not February.

I think we have 10-15 players that need moving on because they either don't have the right attitude, have enough talent, or suit how EtH will look to play.

Obviously those players will need replacing either through transfers or from the academy.

I don't expect every signing to work out. If we sign 4 players in the summer I'd expect at least 1 not to work out as planned.

So to bring in 10 players who are good enough might actually mean bringing in 12-14 players. With a few missing the mark.

While developing kids from the academy takes a few years in the first team in most cases.

However, maybe EtH is a phenomenal coach and better than we realise, maybe he can make players like Shaw, Maguire, AWB and McTominay into great players who are good enough.

Either way patience is needed, we as a fan base cannot start turning on the next manager after one or two seasons without a title challenge or winning a cup. We've dropped much further behind than many of us care to admit, and it's a long road back. We need to have the fortitude to stick with it, take the rough with the smooth.

25.) 07 Apr 2022 11:41:42
Let's forget Enrique. Unavailable until potentially the end of the year. Utd need someone full-time immediately who is going to put 100% of their time and effort into it, not be juggling international teams on the side and all that goes with that.
I am assuming ten Hag will remain at Ajax until the end of the Dutch season, arguably it would be best to keep Ralph in charge at Utd for the remainder of this season too rather than throw ten Hag into the mix without some preparation.

26.) 07 Apr 2022 13:24:43
Enrique is a good manager without a shadow of a doubt, but so is Pep, and Klopp, and Flick and Zidane, and Tuchel, and Nagelsmann, and Galtier, and Mancini, and Sarri and yes even Conte and Simeone.

We can all name good managers, but how many of them are available AND would be willing to come to United?

Rumours are we shortlisted Enrique but didn't interview him. Now is that because the club decided against it, or did Enrique say he wasn't interested in being interviewed?

Ultimately we don't know and little can be gained from pining over managers who aren't going to be here with us next season.

It looks like we are hiring one of the best up and coming managers, someone who is highly rated, and someone who has the momentum behind them.

It's a change from the norm when we have tended to hire the "experienced" option, but very much an option that is on the decline.

Ole is the exception to the rule, but he was never brought into the club to be our manager. However, circumstances played out as they did making it difficult for weak men who don't really understand football to resist giving him the job on a full time basis.

Maybe if Woodward had bigger cajones then he'd have waited until the end of the season and probably have brought in Pochettino as things turned out.

EtH is an obvious change in step the club is making. Hopefully they are willing to do what is necessary to make it work.

27.) 07 Apr 2022 19:13:46
Red Man, you mention that Ten Hag will not bring success, but I can guarantee that Simeone will not be successful in the PL. the successful clubs in our league are very attack minded and score goals for fun. This is not Simeone's style. We will never anything with him in charge.

28.) 07 Apr 2022 20:31:11

I didn’t say “will not” but said I have concerns he could, but different.


You spent months telling us all on here how well Ole was doing, improving year on year and building a team to win etc so forgive me if I doubt your platitudes to TH at the moment.




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Mctominay and fred aren't rubbish? I'll put down the whiskey and switch to smoking whatever your on Chris.




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17 Aug 2022 02:16:33
Give it a rest dodgy, they are both utterly useless. Absolute liabilities on and off the ball. couldn't give a toss if they have had the odd good game, they are not good enough for a top 6 team nevermind to challenge for the title.

Too much sentiment'hes one of our own' 'but he puts in the effort and graft'. Yeah okay but they're still rubbish players.




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It's all good until you are all crying at the end of the transfer window that we have to rely on those two useless idiots in midfield.




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Much better than what we have.




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There's a difference between being able to and wanting to. It is the latter that United are lacking.





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Fabrizio romano is genuine for the most part.




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He's on loan, but I suspect he was one of the leaks with his recent interview. No way back for him now.




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Redhope, the possibility of relegation is real? After two games?




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I don't particularly give a damn about the issues. He's an upgrade on Mcfred and that is all I want to see.




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I'd take icardi the player. The man, no.