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16 Jun 2024 12:32:54
Just wondering if anyone on here would take Ian Maatsen for the £35m release clause?

Ork

{Ed002's Note - It does not work like that. The fee is an option that Borussia Dortmund can buy the player for after his loan.}


1.) 16 Jun 2024 13:53:00
With respect Ed002, I've not seen any reference to that 'option' anywhere, but have seen every reference to the £35m price being a release clause (including two that specifically state this clause applying to any club) .

Any idea if he has a clause that would relate to United?

{Ed002's Note - That figure is from the loan contract between Chelsea and Borussia Dortmund. There are other interested sides, but not Manchester United.}


2.) 19 Jun 2024 20:49:12
Off to Villa?


 

 

14 Apr 2024 14:50:13
Apparently, along with Bayern, we're having 'concrete' discussions with Frimpong's camp.

Personally, I don't think we should bother wasting our time - he surely won't leave a title-winning club for what is essentially a mid-table club in the midst of wholesale change.
I don't think he'll go to Bayern either though.

Real Madrid are looking at new defenders and I reckon he'll follow Alphonso Davies from Germany to offer a frightening extra dynamic to their game.

I hope I'm wrong, but I doubt we're even an attractive prospect for Matty Cash if not for the, erm, cash.

Ork

1.) 14 Apr 2024 15:28:41
Good to see some positivity.


2.) 14 Apr 2024 15:58:05
Frimpong has had a phenomenal year at Leverkusen absolutely no doubt about it. However, I've often said a big problem with our recruitment is we sign players who are playing well in a totally different tactical set up to what we play.

Frimpong is a talented player without a doubt, but his current form is only possible because he is playing in a system that maximises his strengths and minimises hie weaknesses.

The 343 system suits him perfectly as it gives him the extra player in defence to cover his defensive shortcomings, while the front three means he's able to double up with the wide forward (Wirtz) to find space on either the over or underlap.

Unless we are hiring a manager who will employ a 343 type formation then it seems foolish to sign a player who has only ever thrived in that sort of team set up.


3.) 14 Apr 2024 16:11:53
Shappy’s right. We should be looking to sign players who are currently playing for teams with no tactical set up. That way, they can slot right in. Am fed up of this square pegs for round holes approach. We need players who can perform for a tactically naive manager.


4.) 14 Apr 2024 18:39:04
That's what we did with mount. Played 10 or a little wide right for Chelsea but eth wants him to play in a position he never played before. I don't think that's smart I'm not saying it can't be a success but it's an odd way to go about it imo.


5.) 14 Apr 2024 19:07:39
Rather fed up with this season now; bring on the Summer to ship out unsuitable players and bring in new faces that help us build towards success.

Hopefully - PSR and wheeler-dealing allowing - see some new players coming in.

The peerless Ed002 has already suggested that the following players might be our preferred targets:

Antonio Silva (CB)

João Neves (DM/ CM)

Denzel Dumfries (RB)

Furthermore, the Muppetiers (who some mistrust as click-bait, but generally seem well-informed), have suggested the following preferences also:

Jarrod Branthwaite (CB)

Jean-Clair Todibo (CB)

Andre Onana (DM)

Morten Hjulmand (DM)

Michael Olise (RW)

Benjamin Sesko (S)

Plus a focus on younger talents from South America.

All of these look like they would cost a lot of money, so just hope INEOS can raise lots of funds through plater sales and wages saved.

If cheaper options are needed as a result of limited funds and the sheer number of positions that need addressing, wondering if:

Anyone has heard of cheaper/ lesser known options we might be looking at?

Younger players at United who might be promoted to the first team squad?


6.) 14 Apr 2024 21:36:35
At the moment we are a long long way off challenging for a league again. 3 or 4 seasons realistically and that's getting the recruitment right every window. We seem to be getting the correct people in place to make the right signings. Top of the list aswell has to be to stop giving wannabe fashion designer rappers 300k a week . We seem to get it wrong so many times with signings compared to Liverpool and City who very rarely get it wrong.


7.) 14 Apr 2024 21:53:27
We're hardly a midtable club are we.
Sometimes reading people's thoughts is both amusing and baffling.
We have had a poor season, yet. we've also been through a protracted buyout of a portion of the club, a buyout that will bring fresh ideas and direction, something that is already starting to play out. We've also had a few injuries to contend with (although I think a squad should be able to work through these when the setup is right, see first point as to why we've struggled here) and lastly, we struggled to get rid of players deemed 'surplus to requirements' last summer, again see point one as to why this occurred.

The new owners are literally going to bring a night and day scenario to next season, in my opinion.

It is for that reason that, if Frimpong is the right person for the role we are scouting (not saying he is or isn't), then I firmly believe Manchester United is very much a big pull.
As an example, let's assume Villa make the top 4, do you think Villa in the CL is a bigger pull than Manchester United after an off season?


8.) 15 Apr 2024 00:00:25
U agree with a lot if that jimbo.
I'm not so sure we will see a night and day approach with the financial restrictions.
They will only be able to work within the rules and we have quite a financial impact to work off due to the haphazard rudderless spending.
We can only take so many hits on the books and it often makes more sense financially and to stay within the rules to keep a player rather than sell them at an unsustainable loss age taking into account all the associated costs of a transfer which are substantial.
I'm not well read on the regulations so can't give any informed opinion on what they need to do to navigate them whisky getting as close to night and day as possible.
Here's to hoping.


9.) 15 Apr 2024 04:22:58
That's why I think it will be night and day.
Write off the no hopers, even if it restricts us, to the point we are backed into a corner financially, meaning we will both, promote from within, and only sign people who understand the longer term vision.


10.) 15 Apr 2024 10:23:33
This is where our new scouting and acquisition team can earn their stripes.
Take the plight of Alex Grimaldo, who was a free transfer to Leverkusen at the start of the season. Now one of the most desirable full-backs in Europe.
The signings are out there, but we rarely find them. I'll stand by Cantona as being our biggest ever bargain. Leeds couldn't get rid of him quickly enough and the rest is history.


 

 

26 Mar 2024 13:23:57
Anybody know if TyC Sports is a credible source of news from Argentina?

Only asking because the rumours surrounding this Anselmino lad are getting louder.

Is there real traction or is this just yet another dubious outlet?

Ork

{Ed002's Note - Aaron Anselmino (C) Braga and Benfica have been regularly scouting Boca Juniors games and together with Milan have identified multiple targets including Anselmino. Interest from Manchester United will halt with the player being ineligible for a Work Permit in England and wanting to stay Buenos Aires with his family.}


1.) 26 Mar 2024 14:40:10
Cheers Ed002.


 

 

15 Mar 2024 14:49:53
£35m bid for Sancho might come from Dortmund apparently.

Yes or no?

Ork

1.) 15 Mar 2024 17:15:35
Bite their hands off.


2.) 15 Mar 2024 20:36:12
The entire city? That’s a lot of hands.


3.) 15 Mar 2024 23:15:36
10 times as many fingers oh and thumbs. I feel the need to be inclusive.


4.) 16 Mar 2024 03:02:30
If we can get £30m for him and his salary off the books, that's the equivalent of £60m to the bottom line over 2 years. I wouldn't offer him any compensation for loss of salary. Play hardball.


5.) 16 Mar 2024 06:28:08
30m plus a player we might want even better!


6.) 16 Mar 2024 13:31:54
I'd take £35 for him.


7.) 16 Mar 2024 15:59:32
Good idea Shaw ?‍♂️. See where that got us with martial and maguire.
He ain't walking away from millions nor should he.


 

 

14 Jan 2024 14:10:03
I've just read a piece about the prospect of Alvaro going to Benfica making it an easier win for the signature of Joao Neves - I sincerely hope this is rubbish.

If this is true, then the sheer arrogance that has made us look ridiculous for years still hasn't left.

I'd be stunned if he came to United at all, but the suggested 'offering' of a youngster given no gametime by the club as some kind of sweetener is pathetically desperate at best.

Ork

1.) 14 Jan 2024 14:29:35
I think developing a good relationship with Benfica is an excellent idea.

The generate so many quality players, smart move.

Silva and Neves are both targets and huge talents, we really need to develop and edge in the transfer market.

Alvaro Fernandez isn’t ready or good enough right now, and we have plenty of LBs at the club. Whilst I don’t agree with decision to Loan him and sign Regullion, tbf he performed when needed.


2.) 14 Jan 2024 15:54:57
Why is it bad business if Utd can come an arrangement with Benfica that benefits both parties.

I'm not saying that this is what is happening, but it does make sense.


3.) 14 Jan 2024 20:13:33
I was impressed with Fernandez tbh. We don’t have a wealth of left back’s and I’m surprised we’ve let him go. That said, the coaching staff will have seen him every day and will no doubt know more than us.


4.) 15 Jan 2024 11:31:53
Maybe the lad wants to play some football. Benfica are a huge club with a great reputation for building careers. Why not go there rather than not even getting on the bench at Utd or going back to Preston?


5.) 15 Jan 2024 14:09:44
Utd don't exactly have a great reputation at the moment for mapping out youth players careers.

I rate Fernandez, but going to Benfica is a really good move for him.


6.) 15 Jan 2024 16:37:31
Well could be worse ork they could put you in charge?
You've no idea of any of the facts but have decided it's ridiculous.
Do you know how ridiculous that is?


7.) 16 Jan 2024 20:26:22
João Neves looks a real top prospect, however, personally I'm not sure he's a player we should be chasing this summer.

Coming from Benfica you can be assured he'd cost something north of 80m. For a 19 year old with less than 40 professional games under his belt who has never played in a league as physical or competitive as the EPL that's a huge amount to gamble on him.

We also have the 18 year old Kobbie Mainoo in our squad who's arguably been out beat midfielder this season. I'm not sure Mainoo and Neves form a natural and complementary duo, and I'd be very surprised to see any manager regularly play two teenagers in the heart of midfield for United or for any team expecting to play regular UCL football.

Given our need to buy players who are ready to step up and play every week right now at the sharp end of the EPL, and the need bring in 5-6 players this summer I really can't see us spending the kind of money João Neves would cost on a young, unproven play like Neves.

Let's take a leaf out of Liverpool's book, they could have pushed for the 100m signing of star young midfielder Jude Bellingham last summer. But realised they needed to sign several players and couldn't afford to buy Bellingham AND the other players they needed so I stead they bought 4 midfielders and totally rebuilt their midfield.

I think signing 2-3 midfielders is the smarter option for us given the massive squad rebuild we need than spending big on one player who might not even be ready for the step up.

We kind of did that last summer in the striker department. Spent big on a young player who has massive potential but probably isn't ready to play every week for us. The difference is the striker market has far fewer good options and is massively overpriced. We should be able to scout 3 or 4 really top drawer midfielders who wouldn't cost the earth but would help totally change our side for the better.


 

 

 

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27 May 2024 02:23:24
What a game that was.

Watched it at home, soaked myself with beer when Kobbie scored, got the dog with some (he still hasn't forgiven me), danced around the lounge like a feral upon the final whistle, then spent the whole evening getting pickled with a proper cheshire on my face again.

Thank you Erik, thank you.

Ork

1.) 27 May 2024 08:27:42
Love to hear it Ork, that’s what it’s all about ?.


2.) 27 May 2024 09:40:30
For all the frustration I have with Erik. My 2-year-old watched the game in full and was bouncing about when we scored.

He’s now got the bug.

So whatever happens with him, he’s always given me that memory.


3.) 27 May 2024 12:17:38
I can remember the Brighton and Everton cup finals when I was young and how good I felt.

All my earliest memories though date back to Bryan Robson in 81 and watching him as a young kid at OT with relatives. How Sir Bobby was always in awe of Duncan Edwards, I will always be I awe of Robbo, he will always be my hero, no one ever on a football pitch will compare in my eyes. I hope your kids find those memories from united.

My youngest is a bit older and he adores Bruno however Kobbie is taking his place quickly as his hero, next years shirts have all been requested with Mainoo.

Even with a season like this there isn't no feeling like watching United with friends and family.

Now the season has ended I can foolishly hope next year everything clicks. GGMU.


4.) 27 May 2024 12:25:17
It certainly was Ork, A great end to a poor season and i think we all got a little pickled on saturday night.


5.) 27 May 2024 19:02:52
Jim Repear,

We certainly did haha.


 

 

24 May 2024 02:30:02
While we're seemingly lurking in the doorway of a great continental manager/ coach swap shop, I think I've just seen the most surprising rumoured pairing of individual and club - Wayne Rooney is in talks with Plymouth Argyle.
I mean, ?

With that in mind, let's just kick back and chill man - the unlikely might well be a busy little premise for the next couple of months.

Ork

1.) 24 May 2024 05:59:40
Fair play to him. He needs to rebuild his reputation - it’d be easy for him to stay at home and be a pundit in a studio for the same money if not more.


2.) 24 May 2024 06:26:12
It’s nice down there.


3.) 24 May 2024 09:52:09
And its a long way from Colleen.


4.) 24 May 2024 10:02:33
He needs to earn his stripes. Not gone well for him so far.
He seems determined to give it his best shot so fair play.


 

 

18 May 2024 15:57:34
De Zerbi leaving then.

Do we think he's coming to United or Bayern? Maybe Newcastle?

Ork

1.) 18 May 2024 16:50:30
I remember when he got the job a journo on Talksport said he will be off in 2 years-possibly the most ambitious manager he had known, every club will be a stepping stone until he gets Real Madrid or Barcelona was his opinion.


2.) 18 May 2024 16:56:46
Think he will be going to Bayern.


3.) 18 May 2024 17:14:27
About a week ago DeZerbi was described as overrated by Fabio Capello. Capello said DeZerbi never won anything except the Super Cup with Shakhtar Donetsk.


4.) 18 May 2024 19:44:57
Barcelona or Bayern. maybe Juventus but I'd say that's a step down.


5.) 18 May 2024 20:31:46
Bayern makes sense with the manager search there. I think it was mentioned before that he was a popular choice to replace Pep at City in a few years time, with Berrada coming in you could see the links. Then again it's what people are doing with Southgate and Ashworth.


6.) 19 May 2024 00:15:56
He is not going to bayern. Juve or napoli would be my guess. But that's just because he is Italian and the jobs are available.


7.) 19 May 2024 08:02:14
There will be a job at Milan too I’m guessing.


 

 

11 May 2024 11:49:27
Just read that Spurs have been told Toney's available at £50m.

Chew down to the wrist I would.

Ork

1.) 11 May 2024 12:21:45
Would be a good signing if we could get him at that price.


2.) 11 May 2024 14:09:23
Add on the United tax to that.


3.) 11 May 2024 15:20:56
One of the laziest players you will ever see imo and will upset many fans if you think rash does not work hard enough. does nothing defensively all game.

{Ed077's Note - He'll have more goal contributions than Rashy this season, YOU CAN BET ON THAT ??


4.) 11 May 2024 16:06:13
Ahmad. So, apart from 20+ goals a season. ?.


5.) 11 May 2024 16:09:11
Ahmad

Toney is a Centre-Forward, and would be expected to apply more of his tracking and working into midfield.

Whereas, Rashford is primarily a Wide-Forward, and would be expected to apply more of his tracking and working down the flanks.

Don't give me the high-intensity sprints blither, Toney does far more grafting in midfield than Rashford does to support his Fullback.

If Toney's lazy, then Rashford is absent.


6.) 11 May 2024 18:33:54
Toney would be a good signing for anywhere between 40-50m. EPL proven 20 goal a season striker who can play across the front three and is very good at bringing others into play and creating chances for his teammates. While he's at an age where he's hitting his peak, but isn't such a big name that he'd push Hojlund out completely. He'd carry the attacking burden for a 2-3 years until Hojlund was ready to be our clear first choice and carry that scoring responsibility.

Any more than 50m and it just becomes unviable due to the need we have in other areas. While I also suspect there could be better value found in the market if we are looking foe a clear back up to Hojlund.

I'd even consider Welbeck on a free for a year to support Hojlund if it means we can get top quality first choice options in defence and midfield, rather than compromise in those positions to buy a more expensive back up striker.


7.) 11 May 2024 18:45:22
He’d expect to start and be the big cheese. I don’t mind having a main striker and there’d be plenty of opportunities for Rasmus, but I don’t think we’ll sign such a high profile player. Whether a younger Sesko type or older player happy to rotate I’m not sure. Don’t believe he’ll be that cheap for anyone though.


8.) 11 May 2024 22:45:44
He is a better all round player than Rashford and I have watched him many times tracking back.


9.) 12 May 2024 09:11:10
Spenno, I tend to agree with much of that, and given his age and pedigree in the EPL I don't think he'd be a big issue for Højlund. Toney would probably be first choice for the next couple of years, while Højlund would still get plenty of game time to develop. I. Two years time Højlund will be 22/ 23 and ready to step up and become our undisputed first choice, while Toney will be 30/ 31 and ready to take a step back and become the back up.

As for price like I said 50m is the maximum I think anyone should spend on him. He has one year left on his deal, so this is Brentford's last chance to make sure they don't lose him for nothing. While he's had half the season out banned and hasn't come back in great form. Maybe with a good pre-season he'll be back to his best next season. Yet for buying clubs why would you spend more than 50m on a 28 year old striker who has had a 6 month ban and isn't in the best form with only a year left on his deal.

I genuinely think it could be closer to 40m that he goes for in the end. Which would represent a bargain in the current market.


10.) 12 May 2024 10:43:08
Id only question his attitude. We need the right players with the right attitudes going forward. coachable people.


 

 

11 May 2024 01:41:53
Big spendy question.

All 3 below will probably cost more than their current worth, but all 3 bring potential.

Would you sign -
Jarrad Branthwaite?
Joao Neves?
Michael Olise?

Pick just one player and explain your reason for the player and his position being priority.

I'll start.
For me it is Neves all day.
Ten Hag has learnt the hard way that, in a midfield 3, two more attack-minded players won't work in the PL unless you have an extraordinary defensive player like Rodri or Rice sat behind an absolute genius like De Bruyne or Odegaard at No8.

My personal opinion is that the engine room of midfield is now the most important area on the pitch, for those players are the primary links between defensive and attacking phases in possession-based, high-pressing, modern football.

The only downside with the idea of Neves alongside Mainoo is height, but they are both incredibly gifted technical players with deceptive strength who could potentially create one of the greatest double pivot pairings ever seen in football - I am that confident about the potential of both players.

£104m is certainly steep though, there's no getting away from that.

Ork

1.) 11 May 2024 06:38:18
I still like Frenkie De Jong, and with Barcelona's problems and his wages increasing, there could be something there. There is also talk on interest in Mason Greenwood. Possibly some 30m and greenwood would be enough to get Frenkie.

I do not think our squad is as bad, but the managers tactics have been horrendous. I have never seen such an open midfield. We could easily get 6-9 points more by now if the manager was better.


2.) 11 May 2024 08:22:35
We’ll be fleeced on Branthwaite and Neves for sure. Olise has a realistic buy out clause of the low end of £50-55m. All improve the team. CF also. Where to begin?!
In terms of impact, I thoroughly agree with backpass that a player controlling the midfield was what ten Hag wanted initially so would love de Jong, but that’s gone quiet and there haven’t been too many rumours about the position. In his interview he stresses that de Jong and Casemiro could have played together, suggesting Cas wasn’t just an alternative.
Torn on Neves. That is a serious wedge of cash when we need so much work. We’re talking Rice cash, but then look at the impact he has had on Arsenal. But he’s the finished article, Neves is still very raw.


3.) 11 May 2024 08:37:22
I don't think any of them would want come.
Neves is neat and tidy on the ball but I think he's similar to mainoo same with de Jong. United need a holding midfielder to cover the ground and add some protection to who ever is playing in the back 2. That would allow dalot and hopefully a new left back to get forward.
Who that midfielder is I don't know but someone like kamara from villa would be the profile of player they should be looking at.


4.) 11 May 2024 09:18:57
I agree with Tom. I think Mainoo may have changed the type of midfielder we need. I personally would go for an athletic, combative CM to go in with Mainoo and Fernandes/ Mount. I think there are some French boys out there or someone like Douglas Luiz, although he’s unlikely with champions league most likely. A quick CB to partner Martinez and Olise on the right would be a strong starting 11 IMO. Unfortunately that is all dependent on everyone being and staying fit. I can’t see more than 4 signings if I’m honest and think we need to make a point in this window for future windows which may mean missing out of some players.


5.) 11 May 2024 09:48:08
We aren’t an attractive proposition at the moment. “It’s Manchester United” is no longer a strong enough pull. Other clubs have caught up and overtaken us. We have to buy smart, targeting players with potential who aren’t at the stage of their career where they have to be playing in the CL every season. But they want to get there. Players who are aligned with the journey the club is about to embark on. The next two or three seasons should be about development. We need to be looking at players between 20-24 who will be approaching their peak a few years from now. Adding 2 or 3 superstars will be repeating the same mistakes we’ve made over the past 10 years.

I have no faith in a scouting network that deemed Maguire, AWB and Fred as competent enough footballers to suit the Manchester United way of playing. But it’s time for them to earn their money. We likely can’t sign Frenkie de Jong, so where is the next Frenkie de Jong?


6.) 11 May 2024 10:28:15
Of those three it would be Branthwaite despite him being the least talented of the three players.

My reasoning is that he plays in the position of highest need, he is rarely injured, and while not having the same talent as the other two is still a top prospect and potentially the best young English CB.

I'd have Olise as the second choice by a hair. Phenomenal player, and supposedly has a reasonable buyout/ release clause this summer at around 50m, which if true based on talent alone makes him a bit of a bargain in the current market. He also plays a position of need, and would be a creative forward that we are missing. However, his injuries really are a concern. Lots of people complaining about the signing of Mount last summer and his lack of game time, but in reality he has been injured too often to get a run of games and demand a starting role (whatever that might be) .

João Neves is probably the most talented one, or at least the one with the highest ceiling. He also plays in a position of real need. Yet his cost (likely north of the 100m they got for Enzo Fernandez) and the fact that we would then have two 19 year olds with limited experience looking to play every week in the heart of our midfield. That just doesn't sound like a good idea. We have seen how Chelsea have struggled when they have lacked experience in key areas (defence and midfield) despite those players being significantly more experienced than both Neves and Mainoo. It feels like we would be spending 100m and stunting the development of one of our brightest young players. I think we need to sign a defensive midfielder who is 22-25 years old and has 3-4 years experience in senior football. Someone ready to step into more of a leadership role and who can take the strain while Mainoo develops alongside them. Not someone who has just as much developing to do.


7.) 11 May 2024 10:52:33
Shappy I think DM is more urgent than CB personally.

In that we have zero DMs (Cas cannot play at the level any more) . We have plenty of CBs, and I cannot see us having the same injuries next season as this. It would be beyond unlucky to have to field 32 different back 4 combinations again. Not impossible, but extremely unlikely.

Therefore I think we are crying out for a DM, and have been since before the McFred era.


8.) 11 May 2024 11:18:23
27 year old Ndidi from Leicester with loads pf PL experience would be a good squad addition - 12 months or thereabouts left on his contract -hardworking, steady player - would show Amrabat how its done in the PL.

{Ed077's Note - Ndidi is going to be a free agent in the summer (next month)


9.) 11 May 2024 11:27:34
Wazza

I agree a DM is a must but we will also need to replace Varane as it looks increasingly likely he will be leaving, we need to get both right as well we need to get a strong spine to the team something we have been lacking for a long time.

We need a winger that will run at defenders and cause problems and also need a striker.

Branthwaite/ Silva CB

Palhinha/ Neves DM

Olise/ Mitoma for winger

For striker I am really not sure.


10.) 11 May 2024 11:46:21
Is Joao Gomes a realistic target for DM? He's been filling in for Casemiro's at international level after all. Maybe we could steal Neto and Alt-Nouri while we were there :D.


11.) 11 May 2024 12:09:25
Reaper, I've not seen Mitoma on the right before where we're definitely going to sell one if not two players. I love watching Mitoma but we seem well placed on the left as it stands?


12.) 11 May 2024 12:12:29
Ndidi and Adaraybyio are no braines. Free agents and improve the squad. Must be one or two other freebies that improve the squad leaving funds for key areas? ( only about 9 key areas?)


13.) 11 May 2024 12:19:12
spenno

Would play Mitoma on the left and Garnacho on the right, Rashford needs to sort himself out to warrant a place in the side for me and that is if he is still here next season.


14.) 11 May 2024 13:17:53
Garnacho should play on the left, it's his preferred and best position.


15.) 11 May 2024 13:51:41
Wazza, I don't think there is much between CB and CDM to be honest, both are the priority positions.

For me though what just tips CB over CDM is that beyond Martinez we have no CB's who are good enough. He has had injury issues and it cannot be guaranteed that he'll be available for the whole of next season.

While we have no one to play CDM, you can set a team up to play with just one CDM or even none with the right tactical set up.

While it's impossible to realistically set a team up without at least two special-ists CB's.

At best we have one whose half fit and cannot be relied upon. For those reasons I have CB a shade ahead of CDM.

Given that Evans and Varane will leave this summer, while both Lindelof and Maguire could also leave. I think we need a bare minimum of two CB's this summer, ideally 3 given Martinez's injuries.

While signing 2 CDM's would be ideal this summer, we could make do with signing just the one. So from a pure numbers perspective CB also has to be ahead of CDM.


16.) 11 May 2024 15:57:25
The honest question should be would any of those players be willing to join us? Looking at most signings post fergie whose improved with us? Are there any players but bruno that's career has gone on a upwards trajectory since signing? 10 years of terrible decisions is why i personally don't see us as an attractive choice for players.


17.) 12 May 2024 00:31:42
Is Bowen a potential target?


 

 

 

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16 Jun 2024 13:53:00
With respect Ed002, I've not seen any reference to that 'option' anywhere, but have seen every reference to the £35m price being a release clause (including two that specifically state this clause applying to any club) .

Any idea if he has a clause that would relate to United?

Ork

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14 Jun 2024 17:08:14
Jimbobred

You will have been shot down by those still struggling to come to terms with the reality that we don't have a place at the top table anymore.
All this gerfliff about players being 'not at our level, and 'not United quality' - these people need the coffee more than most.

Jonathan David would, imo, be a very wise signing, like our own version of Trossard who, for Arsenal, is arguably the most underrated player at the club.
Additionally, Lille need to shift him this summer and, at 24 with plenty of potential to improve, he fits the SJR profile.

ahmad

I agree that, from the outset, £70m for a CB is a lot, but he can play with either foot which, considering the defensive injury crisis we've just seen, would be very handy.
Of course he's not Tapsoba or Silva, but are we realistically going to be an option for either of them?
We need to be sensible this summer, but sensible can be expensive.
For most of last season, the left side of our defence was ruined by injury. Our 3 primary left-footed options of Martinez, Shaw and Malacia played a combined total of 23 PL games last season.
Do we know if we'll ever see Malacia in red again?
Is Martinez going to be one of those players dogged by niggles, like a Varane?
Is Shaw's body now shot?
Ultimately, £70m for the player is maybe too much, but £70m for something of a solution to a problem area might well be worthwhile.

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14 Jun 2024 06:56:35
ahmad

In a world where Wesley Fofana was once bought for £70m plus add-ons, based on 57 appearances, I think Branthwaite is far better value for £70m.

Is Fofana British?

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07 Jun 2024 14:44:03
I think it'd be a further mistake if the club failed to make it resoundingly clear to him that he'll never make the grade as an attacker at United.
I'd like to see him tested at LB again in preseason, but if he throws the toys around again then he should be unceremoniously shown the door.

Left-back or left out, they should be his only options.

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29 May 2024 22:40:56
Glad that was an auto spell mishap - we've already got Antony, we have no room for another Silly Moo.

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18 Jun 2024 14:34:58
Well done me for being a nuisance.
Yep, couldn't agree more, cheers.

You know, according to me, I like Tuesdays. I'm not entirely sure how that info came to light, but I've asked me and I've not yet provided me an answer.

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19 May 2024 19:49:12
One suspects there'd be a few thousand Scousers wanting to rip his other arm off to beat him with.

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18 May 2024 14:16:16
Danny

You're right, he probably wouldn't come for anything other than vast sums, but he has to be on the radar.

I haven't said he's the best option - that would be Ndidi, I simply talked him up as the experienced, hard-working option he is.

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18 May 2024 11:44:55
Shappy

Enter. Adrien Rabiot on a free.

Now let's wait for all the talk about how much of a problem he is.

Imagine a midfield trio of Neves, Rabiot and Mainoo - who's outworking that?

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18 May 2024 09:49:23
Spenno

What usually happens when we start sniffing around the Nissans?
Yep, that's right, the salesmen see us coming and haggle us up.

It's going to take a few years, maybe a whole decade, before other clubs begin to accept that we're not going to allow clubs to pull our pants down, dragging us through seemingly endless negotiations to reach a point where we've agreed to pay 20%, 30%, 40%, 50% more for a player than he's actually worth.

The Nissans we need to be focusing on are players on frees like Adarabioyo, Ndidi, Iheanacho and Kamada, or players available at something of a discount because their contracts are expiring in 2025 like Jonathon David, Toney, Gallagher, Yoro, Chiesa, Khephren Thuram.

I mean, to start, at LB, Juan Miranda is available on a free. Terms have been agreed with Milan, but there's nothing concrete there so United could stick their foot in the door.
Sergi Cardona, another available on a free.
Then there are the more left field options like Caleb Wiley of US club Atlanta who is more of a LWB.

When you say Nissans, we still need to be picky, but we need to avoid time-consuming negotiations and be ruthless.
If there's a player with one year left on their contract, make an offer (one that's not a derisory fart from the Ed Woodward playbook) and stick with it. If the selling club wants to blag us, we simply walk away.
The strategy should be similar to any other business - you want to buy an asset but can't afford to be drawn into a haggle, market dictates the value, you make an offer, you receive a counter that's unacceptable, you say no and return staunchly with your original offer, they say no, you walk away.

The point is that, if we get the right Nissans quickly enough for decent value, then the Rolls Royce becomes a more sensible option.
Like Jimbobred says - that's 10yrs+ of our midfield engine room being covered by two incredible talents.

The weird bonus regarding Neves is that, although £103m is quite the outlay for one player in a summer transfer window that will witness the start of Sir Jim's revolution, it is a release clause so, if terms and agent boxes can be ticked off swiftly, there's a deal ready to be done in a timely fashion without the standard haggle.

If United spent £200m while we see six players come in - a sensible marquee signing at £103m, a couple of frees, and made three wise signings for little more than £30m each - that, for me, would be a good summer.
Obviously, if we were to opt for Branthwaite over the likes of Calafiori or Alip, then we influence our ability to make other signings.

For me it's simple - midfield is halfway there with Kobbie.
In one summer we can complete our midfield engine room with one signing - we need to appreciate that advantage.
We know defence will take 2 or 3 seasons to fix, but should that mean we pair Kobbie with players who aren't good enough?

No mate, I'm 100% with Jimbobred on this, Neves is absolutely what we need.

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