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18 May 2023 13:15:34
@ed002

I think I have read that United have a preferred midfield target, any chance you could give us a clue?

Also just as I respect your posts, I wondered if you was placed in charge of United transfers this summer who would you target as priority?

Thankyou.

{Ed002's Note - Manchester United are trying hard to reach agreement with Rabiot.}

1.) 18 May 2023 14:54:21
As a squad option I’ve no problem with Rabiot joining, with Cas, Bruno and Eriksen being our first choice 3 I don’t see us having the need to splash big in this area when CF and CB are bigger concerns imo.

2.) 18 May 2023 15:46:41
I'd say Rabiot is a good but not great player. Personally wouldn't start him ahead of Christian Eriksen but I'd much rather have him come into the side ahead of Fred or McTominay.

Seems like the majority of funds will be going on the striker and centre back signings.

3.) 18 May 2023 16:31:22
For his wage demands, he’s simply not worth it.

4.) 18 May 2023 16:43:45
We don't have a bottomless pit of cash to strengthen the squad, and more depth and quality in midfield is probably our third priority behind a striker and a keeper.

So we cannot afford to just ignore potential free transfer players.

I'd say he's every bit as good a player as Sabitzer, maybe better but would be on a free rather than costing a reported 20-25m.

Bringing him in on a 3 year deal with an option for a fourth (potentially taking him up to his 32 birthday) wouldn't be awful business.

Could play alongside Casemiro or even deputise for him if needed. While giving time for players like Mainoo to develop.

5.) 18 May 2023 16:49:23
Oh god i hope not.
Sh*tty attitude, wants a shed load of cash and is an average midfielder at best.

6.) 18 May 2023 16:55:21
Don't get the hate against Rabiot personally, he's a decent player who starts in a very strong French midfield and is definitely an upgrade on most of our mids inc Sabitzer. Ok Sabitzer is only 'ours' for three more games but this certainly opens up a conversation about this midfield. We don't know what Bayern would want for him, or even if ten Hag would consider him permanently.

7.) 18 May 2023 17:00:46
Changing the keeper does not add an extra 30 goals to the team.

Much more important to get a better midfielder and even a second young striker.

When cassemiro is out, we struggle.

When eriksen is in our midfield and we go away from home against strong teams, we struggle.

We need to get someone in there as an upgrade to the midfield. But maybe we can only afford a free transfer with the clowns involved.

8.) 18 May 2023 18:36:38
It's funny how everyone wants "whoever the manager wants", right up until the manager wants a player they don't ?

Rabiot is a good player, I've never really heard much about him having an attitude issue, just that his mum's a pain the arse.

9.) 18 May 2023 21:03:42
Whilst Rabiot is not top of my wanted list he is obviously someone that EtH likes and wants. Second time we are linked with him so at least we are being consistent.
He seems to have had a good season for Juve.
As some have pointed out we may be limited on a budget so we need to look at some of these cheaper options.

10.) 18 May 2023 21:12:28
Rabiot is better than ericson.

11.) 18 May 2023 22:07:53
Rabiot starts in a woeful Juventus side who have no issue letting him leave.

12.) 18 May 2023 22:15:32
Rabiot wouldn't get anywhere near a City team. He flatters to deceive. We don't need second rate players on big wages coming to the end of their careers. Getnin hungry talented younger players especially in the 24-27 age group and mold them into a winning team.

13.) 19 May 2023 06:12:19
Salford, you want players in the 24-27 age bracket then write Rabiot off as a player coming to the end of his career. The guy only turned 28 SIX weeks ago.

14.) 19 May 2023 07:07:55
If this isn't a sensible question, would this be tied to Mac Allister, as in an alternative, or 2 different positions/ 2 midfielders wanted?

15.) 19 May 2023 10:15:47
Shappy I didn't realise he was only 28 but I still don't think he is good enough for us. He seems to have been around for a long time at several teams and never been a stand out player at any of them. As a squad player he is ok but no more than that. If PSG and Juve who are no world beaters don't want him that tells you everything.

16.) 19 May 2023 10:44:48
Whatever ETH wants. But I hope he wants him regardless of the money situation. My fear is that he is a choice out of situation that the club find themselves in. Like ETH is being forced to go after this kind of player, on a free, because of the uncertainty surrounding the ownership.

17.) 19 May 2023 11:28:33
Rabiot is on about £120,000 a week at Juve and was looking for more last summer. Given that he’s a free agent now, I think it’s fair to expect him to be looking for around £150,000 a week plus a substantial signing on bonus. That’s outrageous money for a second choice player, who has never played in the EPL.

18.) 19 May 2023 15:25:35
Wouldn't go near him.
We just got rid of a certain problematic french fanny to Juventus.
We don't want another.

19.) 19 May 2023 19:05:31
He is a very good player who is an upgrade to our midfield. wanting to get paid more is not a crime and having your family rep you seems to be not an issue when it comes to kane, rashford, and plenty others. why have an agent make a bucket load when you can have family members benefit.

Starting for france is no small feat given their factory of talent in midfield and half the other french midfielders we get linked to don't even get into the french squad.

he also brings experience of having played on the biggest stage both in club and country. if eth wants him i am all for it.

20.) 19 May 2023 22:03:14
Ed Are we still chasing Frenkie De Jong as a MF this summer?

{Ed002's Note - Try the search engine.}

21.) 20 May 2023 13:24:28
Nobody is saying that he shouldn’t be looking for the best contract. But paying upwards of £150,000 for a second choice player is madness.

For comparison, Arsenal’s captain, Ødegaard, is on £120,000. He’s one of their best players and got 20 plus goals and assists this season. Rabiot isn’t going to have anything close to that impact. Even on a free transfer it’s bad business.

22.) 20 May 2023 19:31:23
You say Rabiot wouldn’t get near the city side but Pep bought Kalvin Phillips
I know who I’d rather have.

23.) 21 May 2023 08:15:41
Rabiot at 28 would actually bring some much needed youth to our midfield.

24.) 21 May 2023 09:09:01
Rabiot would be a very clever signing. Any time Casemiro has been out, we’ve looked horrific. Rabiot could do that job. Away from home against top 10 sides, Eriksen has looked a liability. Rabiot would solidify us in those kinds of games.

People saying £100k p/ week plus for a back up, he’d still end up starting 30 and coming off the bench in 15!

On a free, allowing any transfer fees to be spent elsewhere makes it a no brainer. In fact, it’d also SAVE us money as it would allow us to sell one of Fred or McTominay, both of whom would (believe it or not) fetch at least £20m.

25.) 21 May 2023 13:50:52
Ed002 if I may ask, with united trying hard to reach an agreement with rabiot, what would happen to united's interest in mac alister?
I remember reading at the liverpool's rumour page that united has declared interest and made a bid for the player.
Thanks in advanced!

{Ed002's Note - They are unrelated.}

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19 Aug 2022 07:53:05
What's everyone thoughts about Casemiro?

Up there with the best DM's in the world in my opinion, however I do feel he's not a player ETH would have targeted.

No doubt he will improve our midfield, but if the rumours are true that we signed him to appease ronaldo, then that for me is dangerous.

In terms of his age, I don't see the issue, think he's younger than van dijk, de bruyne, koulibaly etc and he's the same age as Mane and heung min son, we'd probably have killed to have any of those this summer. Think if someone like PSG signed Casemiro earlier in the summer, people would say he's improved them.

My only worry is that the board are "panic buying" players that don't suit the managers plan, if that is the case it seems we haven't learned a thing over the past and I'd expect Ten hag won't last here, which for me is a huge shame.

So long story short, in terms of playing ability and improving the team, I'm very happy with Casemiro, but only if ETH has agreed to the deal and he believes he will fit in his plan. Does that make sense?

{Ed001's Note - no one would say Casemiro arriving to Madrid would improve them as they replaced him with a far better player in Camavinga Mac.}

1.) 19 Aug 2022 08:11:19
On a different note Ed001. what's your views on the monday's game. predictions? if you said 7-1 I will not be offended lol.

{Ed001's Note - I don't do predictions, they are bad luck. I don't just mean in terms of results, every time I predict something a player seems to suffer a serious injury! So I steer clear of them now.}

2.) 19 Aug 2022 08:17:42
Appreciate that Ed, but camavinga only started 13 games last season for madrid, so I personally haven’t seen anything to say he’s currently better than Casemiro. In the long run will he be better? Possibly, he looks a great talent but suppose only time will tell.

Casemiro isn’t someone I’d have originally looked at, maybe if Jose was still here then it’s probably his type of signing. But I literally don’t know who else we could of got, think everyone would of loved de jong, think people are still hoping deep down it will happen but I’m not sure it will. Maybe neves? I don’t know, who would be a football manager eh?

{Ed001's Note - Jose wouldn't have touched Casemiro for the Prem, he has no mobility or fitness. I don't get the De Jong thing either, nothing special. Good, but not great. Why the fuss? And Camavinga is a different level to Casemiro, they were just being careful as he is so young and Ancelotti doesn't like using youth unless he has to.}

3.) 19 Aug 2022 08:47:13
There are two ways to view the potential Casemiro transfer.

Firstly in the context of our previous transfer business. Unfortunately this deal does seem like a ill thought-out, rushed, panic buy. Paying a large fee and wages for an aging player, who as a well known player is a statement signing in an attempt to hush up the discontented fans. For that reason many fans will either be unhappy about the deal or at least be very sceltical. This transfer window seems to be an absolute shambles, but without real change could we really have expected anything different. For me a lot of my genuine hope for a better summer in terms of transfers left with Ralf Rangnick. The only experienced football operator at the club.

The second way to view this transfer is what does the player bring. He has vast experience, and has been a player who has anchored a very offensive midfield with Modric and Kroos. Could he do something similar at United with Bruno and Eriksen? He is adept at playing as a single pivot in a three man midfield. If he can carry the same level of performances over to the EPL then we will have a player who will provide good cover in front of the defence with good (often under appreciated) passing range. He at the very least is better than McFred and better than Rabiot.
The big concern is can he go from La Liga as a 30 year old into the EPL and maintain his current level? It's true that younger players have struggled. While Casemiro is not at the same level, Makelele moved to the EPL at the age of 30 and was very successful. I think he has a decent chance to be a success in the EPL, his game isn't about pace and mobility, he's strong enough but relies on his reading of the game to be in the right place at the right time. As such the speed of the game in England is less likely to catch him out.
A key reason United have struggled is because every player we play in that No.6 role has a natural instinct to vacate the space and chase the ball, leaving gapping holes in our midfield. At the very least Casemiro will not do that.

As a player I think he improves us in the short term, and could be a decent player for us. The concern is the cost of the transfer and the long term implications for the team. He does however bring vast experience and professionalism, two things we are short of.

Personally I'd give the transfer a 6 out of 10, he'll be a decent player for us, but he doesn't really solve any issues for us in the long or even medium term.

4.) 19 Aug 2022 08:49:02
Mac

I am on the fence on him. As the pl is very different to laliga. I know what he does at rm is very effective for that team and how they are set up and the supporting cast around him.

th french guy is bigger, better, faster, better range of pasding and that's why they are letting him go.

He comes into a very different league with a supporting cast that is not at rm level. All opinions atm until we see him on the pitch and 20-25 games of playing time.

5.) 19 Aug 2022 08:54:25
Casemiro is a monster of a player and can still do a job for a number of years -he’s only 30 and doesn’t play box to box or on the wings so pace isn’t essential.

He missed the first leg vs city in the champs league and madrid were destroyed. They were desperate to get him fit for the second leg and, Benzema magic aside, was one of the main reasons they qualified.

If he hadn’t of played the second leg the aggregate score would have been extremely lop sided in city’s favour.

Will finally allow us to get rid of the mcfred combo and add some real protection in front of our tragic back line.

6.) 19 Aug 2022 09:02:18
Come on, 6/ 10 Shappy? Even I'd get that.

7.) 19 Aug 2022 09:31:45
Spenno, he is a three time La Liga champion, a 5 time UCL winner and has been a key player in one of Real Madrid's most dominate European periods.

He instantly improves us. If basing the score on how he will impact the team this season he probably gets an 8 our of 10. However, when factoring in the other side of things such as cost and longevity that brings the score down to 6 out of 10 for me.

8.) 19 Aug 2022 10:14:14
I'm sure ten Hag scores him higher than 6/ 10 so I'll go with that thanks!

9.) 19 Aug 2022 10:38:17
Listen. at the end of the day it breaks up Mcfred which can only be a good thing.
At least we have a proper defensive midfielder anchoring that midfield while hopefully Eriksen and Bruno can play a bit more offensive and can start creating chances and scoring goals.

10.) 19 Aug 2022 11:34:58
But you don't know how long will he last, do you Shappy?

Also, we still don't know how he will perform.

So grading him at this moment is silly.

That said, I don't understand what people want. If he can do a job for us for the next 3-4 seasons, it is money well spent. We do need a total reconstruction, but at the same time, we can't allow to sacrifice season just like that. We need quality and we need it now.

Ed, Camavinga wouldn't come to us, would he? So you can't really look at it that way. and he is yet to show that he is better than Casemiro, though I'm not sure they even have the same role.

{Ed002's Note - Camavinga is not an option for MU.}

11.) 19 Aug 2022 11:41:16
He doesn’t solve a problem in the medium term? We have McFred in midfield, he definitely solves a problem.

12.) 19 Aug 2022 11:59:17
Trololo, Just grading it on how I see it currently. Everyone makes these judgements, what would be a good transfer and what wouldn't etc.

Obviously that rating will likely change once we see what sort of impact he has on the team and for how long.

GDS, I suppose that's relative. For me the short term in football is the next two seasons. Medium term is 3-5 years, long term is 5-10 years.

Sign a 30-32 year old and they will likely have an impact in the short term taking them to 32-34. Not many 34 year olds have a key impact for a top side (although there are always exceptions to the rule) .

Sign a 25-28 year old and they will have an impact over the next 5 years or so. Making them both a short and medium term solution.

sign a 18-21 year old and they could be in the team for up to the next 10 years, they are less likely to have an immediate impact (although so do), but they will likely be a key player for between 5-10 years. Making them more of a medium to long term solution.

Casemiro at 30 isn't likely to be a key player beyond 2-3 years, making him a short term solution, unlikely to be a key player in 4-5 years time meaning he isn't a medium term solution.

13.) 19 Aug 2022 12:19:01
I don't think we only need long-term solutions. A few short/ mid-term are what we need to bridge the gap before we can focus on those.

14.) 19 Aug 2022 20:40:06
Ed02, it was a rhetorical question for Ed01, but thanks anyway! :)

Shappy, I understand, but as I said, we can't afford to just sacrifice a season. And who knows what will happen in 4-5 seasons, but I'm glad to have Casemiro here at the moment.

08 Aug 2022 08:43:44
New poster here, finding it a little hard to take on yesterday to be honest, i've watched United over 30 years now so I've seen the good and the bad.

This summer I did feel a new hope, I thought things were changing, I believe ten hag is a great manager and I couldn't wait for the season to start.

Pre season though I started to spot the signs, Liverpool game was fantastic (predominately against their kids) but after that it seemed same old story. I mentioned to people if we're going into the season relying on goals from this "rejuvenated" front 3 of rashford, martial and sancho then good luck.

On to yesterday, did people see anything that's actually changed? For me that just looked like the dross we've been watching last two seasons, if anything worse as we haven't replaced the people who left, I look at some of these players, and I think to my self "would any of the likes of mctominay, shaw, rashford, Maguire get into another top side in the world? I don't believe they would, as harsh as it sounds I don't even think mctominay would get in another premiership side.

Unfortunately guys leopards don't change their spots, these players won't change no matter who the manager is or how good they are coached, rashford will frustrate us all thinking he's peak ronaldo, martial will sulk, Fred and mctominay won't be good enough, Maguire will cock up. De gea won't come off his line. I'd say we still need a striker, cm, rb and a gk if I'm honest.

For me the most upsetting thing thing is the fact it's us that pays for it, it actually upsets me thinking this is what my club is now and I take these feelings home with me.

Sorry for the rant guys but I see every other team getting better and us getting worse.

Thanks for letting me post.

1.) 08 Aug 2022 11:26:12
I agree Mac man, my only saving grace is I trust ETH! He won’t suffer fools! There will be heaps of negativity around these pages this week, some will even relish it but this manager will sort this ship out! Won’t happen overnight and he obviously needs quicker help from above but he will I’m convinced of it .

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08 Nov 2023 17:05:44
Any indication as to who they would want as manager Ed?

{Ed002's Note - Yes but it is not the time to discuss that.}

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19 Aug 2022 08:17:42
Appreciate that Ed, but camavinga only started 13 games last season for madrid, so I personally haven’t seen anything to say he’s currently better than Casemiro. In the long run will he be better? Possibly, he looks a great talent but suppose only time will tell.

Casemiro isn’t someone I’d have originally looked at, maybe if Jose was still here then it’s probably his type of signing. But I literally don’t know who else we could of got, think everyone would of loved de jong, think people are still hoping deep down it will happen but I’m not sure it will. Maybe neves? I don’t know, who would be a football manager eh?

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10 Aug 2022 15:30:53
I understand your frustrations, but for every tadic and ziyech, there’s also a van nistelrooy or van persie that comes over from the Dutch league.