16 Sep 2025 13:01:42
As you know, I have serious doubts about Amorim, but to see ex players tearing into him makes me SMH.
Devilled at Valencia was atrocious, Rooney as a Manager has been laughable, Keane had a promotion but didn't last long, and Scholes hasn't even tried yet. I find Neville in particular nauseating, he has so much to say and yet as a Manager he was atrocious. And now Rooney is getting involved, every club he has managed has got worse yet here is is, dishing out advice.
Great players, all of them, but crap Managers who are gobby.
16 Sep 2025 13:53:28
I agree AJH was thinking the same myself. It’s not helpful in our situation. Our club sells newspaper gets clicks online. It’s champions league week and we are still the top story on sky sports still over analysing the weekend result. Most of our toxic fan base want to listen to merson and the ex players who just because they played high level football must have great insight which they really don’t.
16 Sep 2025 14:45:12
Your right ajh they are all failed managers.
But embroiled to their opinion. You've member managers anybody or been apro player but you think you hand the right to critisise which you do. So if its OK for you to voice your opinion why is it not ok for them?
I don't get why anybody gets upset with pundits opinions. They are just ex footballers nothing more. As you say most of them failed at the job themselves but at least they are qualified and have some proper understanding of what they are talking about. Do you think you have?
Nobody on here is qualified to their extent so tolerate their opinions and ignore them no point moaning about what they say its an opinion of 1 no more than that.
Id love a reporter to ask them live on air well how come you were so bad at the job? That would be hilarious.
16 Sep 2025 15:41:16
Dont agree, they have more than their right to an opinion and what they have come out and said is neither personal towards Amorim or controversial towards the club.
1.) Neville - united need to start winning football games or Amorim is in trouble.
2.) Keane - Put a tackle in or get a yellow card at least in the last game.
3.) Rooney - The club are clearly not improving under Amorim.
4.) Scholes - the club should have signed a centre mid in the summer and did it really need the grimsby game to show that a nee goalkeeper was needed?
Whats so bad about any of those interjections from
Ex players lol?
16 Sep 2025 17:59:07
Yes, they were poor managers, but the comments they have made and are making are correct.
Utd look better when they attack, but my God they are poor defensively. That comes down to training and the tactics.
16 Sep 2025 20:49:29
All these ex-players/ failed managers as you put it, all have something in common*, and that is everyone of them managed players that were not even close to being on the level they were. How are they supposed to relate to players and tell them what to do when they will never understand how rubbish they are.
*Except Gary Neville who didn’t speak the language at all.
17 Sep 2025 00:22:40
Whilst I agree with the sentiment, Tony, I recently saw stats that showed RA was doing worse at Utd than Neville did at Valencia.
Must admit, I had to do a double take on that one, as Neville's time there is always seen as such a benchmark in managerial failure.
17 Sep 2025 03:30:29
Half the battle at this club is dealing with the constant noise that surrounds it.
Amorim will know better than anyone that the only stat that matters is winning, if he doesn’t start winning then he will be sacked.
My biggest confusion at the moment is why that front line isn’t scoring more, are we back to the days of relying on individual brilliance because they are taking time to gel and understand each others game.
Anyway, Chelsea up next, another tough game I would gladly take a point from and move on.
17 Sep 2025 05:22:01
Everyone but their mates Ole and Ruud have had negative comments from the usual rent an ex player for comment mob. RA is getting it now. They are not in any position to throw stones but what Scholes said for example was not directly at RA, the club should have bought a CM and a GK. Rooney sounds like a fan rather than expert pundit.
RA has to prove them wrong, starting against Chelsea. If contractual rumours are correct it is financially beneficial to wait until after 1st Nov if they wanted to sack him.
17 Sep 2025 11:14:54
If his offer of walking away without compensation still stands I'll hold the door open lol.
Likeable chap, probably talks himself into a hole too often, out of his depth.
I was/ am really excited by the striker signings, and reckon Cunha is our most important signing since Bruno. Sadly, as much as I love Mbeumo, that dosh should have been for a midfielder. We've got no.10s coming out of our ears and no engine room at all.
17 Sep 2025 12:23:47
This is depressing. You cannot reverse years of impotence and incompetence in one window. To have gotten rid of so many players, started to balance books, drive the wage bill down and plan for the FUTURE not the present, with clear needs for a number 1, some decent WBz, a world class CB with leadership qualities and 2 decent CM/ DMs still needed is ridiculous.
Arteta was lambasted in his first and part of his second full years in charge, without any level of the vitriol aimed at United and still hasn't won ANYTHING and only now, when he has a striker is there pressure for him to succeed, after how many years?
American has a clear direction and he has a proven track record, how many managers do we want to go through before we suck it up and say okay let's give it 3 or 4 years and see where we are at.
Fergie went 7 years before a Premier league title and 4 years without any trophy and needing a similar clearout job, that took far longer.
Klopp took 5 years to establish Liverpool after they did the same with Benitez, Dalglish, Rogers, Royal Hidgson and Gerrard Houllier, we are insane if we listen to the outside noise.
Great credit should go to Martin Edwards for having the balls to ignore all the outside noise. Even Fwrgue needed Peter Kenyon and sunsequently David Gill to steer the club operational and commercially back then.
And if you know your history it's enough to make your heart go.
Jesus's, how i wish this chant resonated into our own dedication. It was pai ful to watch United in the 80s, and early nineties. American reminds me of Fwrgie, stubborn, outspoken, slightly flawed and driven woth a touch of explosive anger. But great knowledge and a determination to succeed, but the pressure these days in incomparable, I really wonder what would have happened if we had all the media exposure and social media back then, I am tired of restarts, of reboots and transformations, I want to see blind commitment and consistency for a few seasons and forget winning anything other than the player vs manager battles. It's far too easy to give up than stick to your guns and wait for the inevitable upturn once the tail doesn't wag the dog, but more importantly try all the Micheal's in the park constantly whistling the dog in different directions.
17 Sep 2025 13:04:50
Fair post Captain.
I feel like shuffling off into a corner with my tail between my legs.
17 Sep 2025 16:40:02
Spot on CO.
It won't suit the here and now fans. But imo they are more flaky than the players owners or manager. I'd rather get rid of them than the manager at this point in the process.
That said there does need to be careful consideration as too how we can do a little better in the immediate term . We don't need to change the strategy long term but to tweak the tactic short term in order to stop the rot.
A time for cool heads patience and tolerance. Those that don't have that are only making unwanted and unnecessary noise.
17 Sep 2025 19:31:59
Best post I've read in here in ages Captain Obvious. Not trying to create a them and us situation in the site, just hit the nail on he head of exactly how I feel right now. Give this a chance to work, even if in 3 seasons we say it was an unmitigated disaster. The players clearly don't fit in some cases. We need contracts to end, we need players to go and a full refresh from top to bottom of the club of this new ideology. Then give it our best shot and support it fully.
Media bogeymen can F off.
17 Sep 2025 20:18:42
Arteta’s start at Arsenal was far better than what Amorim is producing now.
Arteta (first 31 PL games) : 13 wins, 8 draws, 10 losses – plus an FA Cup and Community Shield in his first season.
Amorim (first 31 PL games with United) : 8 wins, 7 draws, 16 losses – no silverware, and a much worse win rate.
Klopp (first 31 PL games with Liverpool) : 13 wins, 10 draws, 8 losses – similar to Arteta, already showing progress and a clear style.
So patience is one thing, but the numbers don’t lie – Arteta and Klopp were still miles ahead of Amorim.
17 Sep 2025 22:38:50
Yeah, if you read the papers or listen to the leaches you will find lots of stats about why we should sack him Kurtis.
We were a club in a mess. He came in and removed a whole bunch of key players, which most fans agreed with. He still has more to remove. What have you seen from luke Shaw, m guire, dalot, bruno, cas, malacia hell even amad is over rated, who was one of our best players last year.
Mid year he changed the tactics on their head and our players struggled to adopt. They still are. Do we know this doesn't work yet? No. Keep going.
18 Sep 2025 00:08:30
No doubt kurtis.
There is no doubt he should be doing better.
Personally where I think the position differs from the previous managers is that he is dealing with the rotten culture.
Sometimes things don't happen as fast as we would like. The new front 3 game not even started a game together yet.
The experiment with bruno is failing i'm frustrated by that bruno stayed knowing that was his role so I just don't get it.
He must have thought he could do it and wants to do it or he would have left. It just seems strange to me.
I would like to see RA earn more time. I don't expect him to be given it i expect him to earn it and deserve it.
18 Sep 2025 00:57:59
Curtis
Arteta finished his forst season in 9th and so did Klopp. I don't even consider last season relevant, at all, Amorim didn't want to come in November and what's more, he said immediately it will get much worse before it gets better. He wasn't wrong, so in your approach to stats, if we ce 8th then we are tracking to replicate Arsenal and Liverpool?
By the way, Klopp came 8th 4th 4th and 2nd before winning the league, if Amorim is in 4th after 3 years, I've no doubt you would be saying Ole and Mourinho both managed better stats as well. And Arteta still hasn't won the league after 6 years.
Stats are meaningless when you're starting on the back foot, with one leg and one arm tied behind your back. We still have half a team to replace for me before I will be judging performance with stern expectations and u til then my expectations are to watch better football.
Some of our transition play against City was fantastic, particularly through Mbuemo who in several matches gets the ball on halfway, pivots and sprays the ball to the opposite side of the pitch, its coming, I can see it. You forget we lost Cunha and mount before thst game, who were starting to gel and it was only Seskos first start. Yet we dominated possession, away, against City. There's progress there, and we will improve. Our best first 11 has yet to play a game together yet! Not a single game with the players that we bought to see collectively on the pitch.
18 Sep 2025 09:26:49
As before I am with RA, I like what he says, the stance he took and his character, but he has to deal better with the Bruno conundrum and that will define his tenure. I cannot understand the thinking in buying two excellent 10’s and not selling Bruno to buy the CM we are utterly desperate for. Now RA needs to work with what he has better to shore up CM. If there are still players leaking info by saying they are not behind (another) boss they need selling in Jan, no matter who they are or who is boss.
18 Sep 2025 10:57:54
I don't think you can honestly compare Ruben with Arteta and Klopp. They were nowhere being relegation outfits like we are and especially not after over 30 league games.
18 Sep 2025 11:49:22
if you think amorim can finish 8th/ 9th and they will be okay with it you know nothing. he has no credit left with owners and fans after last year and he better start winning.
18 Sep 2025 12:14:54
Damon if you seriously watched our 4 Premier league games and think we are relegation candidates then I am not sure what you're watching, it smacks of parroting what you're reading in MSM instead or hearing from 'genius pundits'.
18 Sep 2025 12:28:16
And tha k God you're not running the club shashank. I've got a background in transformation and change management, i'm well aware of how difficult it is and how many bleaters always want to pivot the minute its not perfect.
Ineos has built its entire busoness on acquiring assets from massive, bloated and inept oil gas and chem companies, driving leniency in lean management and identifying weak links. Time will tell whether they accomplish the league i'm the timeframes stated, however, they have clearly shown their temperament, when they think they've made a mistake, ergo Ten Hag extension, Onana or Ashworth, they haven't messed around, when they believe in someone who isn't performing to their max, such as Mainoo (all the jibber jabber over why hasn't he started a league game, when he was given a slam dunk start against a 4th division side and got owned and stunk the place up) or Amorim then they have refised to budget, saying you're going nowhere.
You are viewing all this as the same as Kurtis with his 31 games nonsense, and it is nonsense, because the guy specifically wanted that the season would be a disaster and it would get worse (it didn't imp4ove but it didn't get worse it stayed the same) and he hasn't had a single game with his initial preferred 1st 11 despite only having a third of a first team never mind a squad. Who do you suggest as an alternative? With what he still has to work with? The likes of Luke Shaw and Macguire, Ugarte? Casemiro? Perhaps Potter is your man? (That's Harry not Graham)
18 Sep 2025 13:27:34
When Ten Hag was sacked we were 7 points off top 4. We finished 27 points off top 4 after Amorim took over. Don't be so delusional. It absolutely didn't stay the same it got worse.
18 Sep 2025 17:33:50
He had 11 pints in 9 games when he was fired kurtis. Just over a point a game. Ra is just under a point a game.
18 Sep 2025 21:44:08
A time for educated football fans ken ?.
18 Sep 2025 23:42:43
Captain it's pretty simple really mate it is all about results and we are not getting them. I'm not interested in stats or any other nonsense or what genius pundits have to say. It seems you have swallowed all Ruben's excuses hook, line and sinker. What does he need another 250 million and one more pre season and we might be able to make top half? He's a very limited coach with Plan A and nothing else he has it all to do to change the mess we are in.
18 Sep 2025 23:48:09
Also Captain what I said was Klopp and Arteta were nowhere near being relegation outfits after over 30 games. Which is exactly what we have been under Ruben. Stop making out he has been manager for 4 league games he hasn't. We are still toothless in games pretty much like we were last season. Did you not watch the europa league final? Where he played Bruno deep? Well he's doing exactly the same this season he doesn't learn from his mistakes it seems.