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31 May 2018 07:02:14
Before we start this is only something iv read. Its a nice old school rumour with a story. I'm paraphrasing a bit but apparently our new sleeve sponsor is "Kohler" (an American manufacturing comapny) .

So the story goes that the guy who brokered the deal let it slip to someone that we have activated Griezmann''s release clause. Him accepting our offer is a different matter. Either way he won't be announcing where he's going until after the world cup.

If the the sleeve sponsor announced in the next two weeks is Kohler, then maybe this has legs.

Woodward is always looking for the big "markee" signing. Maybe Antoine is it?


1.) 31 May 2018 07:28:53
Mumbles I read exactly the same thing last night and not going to lie it got me very excited. I am very sceptical but there could be some truth in it. I would have thought Barcelona would have had this deal wrapped by now. But I think there is something to do with his release clause being activated at a certain date. I would love griezmann he is my preferred no 1 signing this summer. At least will if we announce the Koehler sleeve sponsor then perhaps we can get excited by this.

2.) 31 May 2018 09:07:19
I wouldn't be surprised if this was part of a strategy to get Bale, There is obvious interest in Bale and the numbers being quoted since he scored in the final seem to have increased maybe this is our way of saying if the price is to much we can go elsewhere. The good thing for us is there is a lot of top talent available just now so hopefully we don't get held to ransom as much as normal. Saying that with the names being thrown around looking for a move in the summer anyone else massively regretting buying Sanchez.

3.) 31 May 2018 09:30:52
Havent seen those Griezman rumours but its always struck me as odd that JM hasn't kept him in the frame . obviously wanted him and by all accounts we were close to getting him - now he is "available" again, human nature says JM just suddenly would not be interested in him -yes we got RL "instead" Fergie always wanted Batistuta, Van Persie, Lewondowski . so I can imagine JM has always considerd Griezeman as one that got away.

Griezeman meets EDS galatico policy and JM likes him a lot. so its not completely impossible just very doubtful to me.

Martial leaving puts a new slant on it all, if that's what happens this summer as the lad seems unsettled.

4.) 31 May 2018 10:03:11
Martial keeps his counsel very close to his chest too which I do like. Has he been quoted anywhere saying he is keen to leave or indeed stay?

5.) 31 May 2018 10:45:29
First time I've heard of kohler so well done to them.

6.) 31 May 2018 23:44:33
Read the Kohler would like a partnership with Koke also.



12 Nov 2017 07:06:11
I just seen that we're linked with a move for Asensio. I would have thought he'd be one of the key men in the Madrid rebuild over the next few years.


1.) 12 Nov 2017 12:41:31
didnt he sign a new contract in the summer with a ridiculous buyout clause?

2.) 12 Nov 2017 13:38:11
I think if he is available he would be moving to Barcelona but itd be stupid to sell him as he is as big talent as Mbappe.



20 Aug 2017 00:13:28
Steady improvement is all you can ask for in football. We've improved the squad with some quality players. Our attacking players have hit the ground running, 4 different scorers today. Last year we were grinding out 1-0's always looking like we were capable of conceding late. I know it's early days but when we go up against the little piggies who built their house out of brick, we won't huff and puff, we just kick the front door in!

We have options from the bench. We have different combinations in midfield depending on the opposition. Maybe lacking a back up striker and a full back but we have players who could fill in for shirt periods of time.

The old cliché rings true. Take each game as they come. We have pace, power, guile, height attacking set pieces. A mixed bag to cause any team problems. A couple more of those results and the fear factor will well and truly be back!


1.) 20 Aug 2017 09:52:45
Omg I just said a similar thing to this Mumbles. That we need a fullback predominantly right I think. That we need a right forward. Don't forget Martial and Rushford can play central of we get an injury to Lukaku. But I agree two more would be great. Although it'll be hard I think.

2.) 20 Aug 2017 11:55:48
Totally agree, the signs are good. Two different games and the same result, if we can do this against good opposition as well then we will romp the league. Punishing teams is a great thing because it will scare teams when they go a goal down, recent seasons opponents always thought they could win from a goal down or at least draw - now they may fear a pasting if they open up - nice to give opposition something to think about for once as it has been too easy for managers to know how to set-up against us and exactly how we will play.

3.) 20 Aug 2017 13:20:03
I think its the left back sydney, not right. Blind looked like he didn't want the ball yesterday and usually passes backwards.

4.) 20 Aug 2017 13:41:02
Nonsense. Blind was always an option and played well.

5.) 20 Aug 2017 13:50:17
Granted his delivery yesterday was not perfect, but defensively he was excellent again and always offers an outlet.

6.) 20 Aug 2017 14:05:09
I like Blind a lot he always tries has an excellent football brain and can pass well but and it is a big but. he is not fast and most right wingers or attacking fullbacks beat him. He will be targeted and against the better teams he will cost us goals if played against left back.

7.) 20 Aug 2017 17:03:51
Eric - Not sure how you can say it's 'nonsense' when most fans agree with the point. Blind is a passenger, he offered zero going forward. Every time he got the ball he passed it backwards or inside, never gave an option for the wide player, no overlaps and he was frequently letting the ball bounce in the box or was lucky to escape being flat footed when balls came in. We won despite Blind, not because of Blind.

It's very similar when Rojo plays out there. I find myself simply hoping for an average performance, because the alternative is disaster. Most other teams have full backs that are great assets and support the attackers, Blind can't offer that because he is very slow and by committing forward (where he offers little) he is exposing himself to a counter attack because he couldn't catch treacle.

Sad but true, he is not good enough as a full back and against good teams we would get punished.

8.) 20 Aug 2017 18:38:55
didn't rashford start off as a right winger? maybe try him there with martial on the left, but martial reminds me of olly comes off bench and does brill.

9.) 20 Aug 2017 20:17:11
Ole didn't cost us in excess of 50 million.

10.) 20 Aug 2017 21:16:45
Beast mate, I think we'll be alright against the top teams. Jose likes the play a tight game somewhat defensive against better opposition. I think Herrera will come in for those big games. A midfield of him closing down and winning the ball back, Pogba further up marauding with a free pass and Matic being the insurance, I think that's the best midfield 3 in the league.

But my favourite part of the make up of the team is very much akin to the 90's united. We have the players to play with the ball on the deck if you want a game of football. We have physically imposing players if you want a battle. We have height to defend a last minute barrage into the box and we have the players with the guile to open up stubborn defences. And something tells me we aren't done in the transfer market either.

11.) 20 Aug 2017 21:21:17
yeah mark let's start trying to fit people in again. No!, let's get specialists in positions we need.

12.) 20 Aug 2017 22:53:09
Blind is a utility player - a defensive one. To criticise him for not bombing forward and neglecting his primary duties of defending is simply ridiculous. In case nobody saw, we kept another clean sheet with him at left back. He tackled well, was solid, and never gave any of their players a sniff?

Two games in, we have scored 8 and conceded 0 yet there are those on here never happy - Beast mate you being a Primary culprit. Enjoy the moment - may not happen again all season! Thankfully Jose doesn't take any of our master tactical analaysis or transfer knowledge on board and picks a team for each match he thinks will win us marches. His career record speaks for itself so I'll leave it to him and enjoy watching us play fun football for the first time in years again.

13.) 20 Aug 2017 23:15:40
Totally agree about Blind. He doesn't offer anything going forward always cuts back and is afraid to overlap because he knows he can't get back quick enough if it breaks down. His crossing is very poor and they are always from deep, hopefully shaw can come back and find some form, wouldn't like to see blind starting against any if our rivals.

14.) 21 Aug 2017 12:16:18
Blind is not pacy enough to be a specialist left back, but when Shaw returns he'll take that slot, and help Rashford in the process. However, he is still a great utility player to call upon, whether in that position, centre half or defensive midfielder.

Gary Neville wasn't the fastest, but he could read the game and was rarely caught out of position. Blind is a very intelligent player, and from what I've seen of him, he rarely gets into a position where he has to run one on one with a winger.

15.) 21 Aug 2017 17:39:03
Blind rarely let's us down. What he lacks in pace he makes up in positioning and reading of the game. Also tidy on the ball.
A very good back up and utility player for me.
Doesn't deserve th stick.



09 Jul 2017 17:11:39
Evening Ed. We're all pretty up to date with the potential incoming signings. In regards to the potential outgoing players it all seems a bit quiet. We know there's interest from Italy from Darmain and Rooney has left. With Lindelof arriving, I'd imagine one of Jones, Smalling and Rojo being surplus to requirements. Do you know if the club is willing to look at offers for these players?

You've said we're interested in a right back and a left back. Seemingly if we did get Semedo, him and Valencia would share the position until it would eventually go to Semedo full time. But the left back position was chopped and changed so much last year. Is Shaw in danger of being sold? Has he any suitors? I'd imagine his high wages and fee being an issue for a prospective buyer.

Sorry to overload on one post but is there any interest in Blind? I could see him potentially going.

And last but not least. Martial is the big one. Is there interest in him and is Jose willing to part with him.

Very much appreciated mate!


{Ed002's Note - I have dealt with all of this before and it hasn't changed much:
Matteo Darmian
Marcus Rojo
Phil Jones (may not survive the planned Summer cull)
Ashley Young (Summer)
Michael Carrick (will not get a new contract unless no replacement is available in the Summer - else a one year extension)
Wayne Rooney (if Griezmann/Perisic signs)
De Gea (possibly out Summer but a dependency on Real Madrid renewing interest)
Sergio Romero (possibly - might depend on what happens with De Gea)
Zlatan Ibrahimovic
Luke Shaw
Ander Herrera (will stay after patching up the issue)
Juan Mata (possibly - maybe probably later in the window)

1.) 09 Jul 2017 18:19:36
Thanks loads for updated info Ed!

2.) 09 Jul 2017 18:23:52
I for one would be really peed off if mata was sold.

He is a class player and when he plays he is one of only a few who get the team ticking.

Ed can I ask what was the issue with Herrera?

{Ed002's Note - It is unimportant.}

3.) 09 Jul 2017 19:29:46
Ed002, with you having Rooney going with Griezmann or Perisic coming in, does that mean Perisic is a done or close to being done deal with them already letting Rooney go?
I think he'd be a brilliant signing!

{Ed002's Note - No, don't read stuff in to everything.}

4.) 09 Jul 2017 19:33:36
Herrera told the media that the City game was our biggest game of the season, Jose was playing it as just another three points.

Like every manager when dealing with the media you don't go off script and contradict them. They have since kissed and made up, but I suspect Pogba might be made captain rather than Herrera because of this issue.

5.) 09 Jul 2017 20:33:16
Herrera and Barcelona talk whilst on international duty was the reason jose was p'd off I believe.
Inter haven't been offered enough cash is the Perisic situation.

6.) 09 Jul 2017 20:15:02
lads, save the date and time of the above post and anyone who asks the same question, this week, next week or the weeks after, let them know where to find it. As much as all the banter is good, i generally scan through to find the eds reply. i'd imagine others are the same, the search function is great if you have time, but some of us don't, so perhaps a gentle hint in the exact direction by regular visitors would alleviate the constant requests the eds have to put up with. i'd be gutted if Mata left too.

7.) 09 Jul 2017 21:36:33
The search function is great, but an answer to the same question 2 weeks ago isn't likely to be the same now with how fast situations are moving and changing daily.

If Perisic doesn't happen because we won't match their valuation, does anyone know of the alternatives we might go for?

8.) 09 Jul 2017 21:55:27
Emil forsberg, but a deal is highly unlikely!

9.) 09 Jul 2017 22:36:37
That would be amazing, he was a machine last season. If inter won't accept 45m for Perisic might be better offering that for Fosberg. Think a few 30m bids went in for him a bit ago.

10.) 10 Jul 2017 09:42:04
I believe with purchase of Lindelof, Blind would be moved back to midfiled as direct replacement to Carrick. So it's difficult to see if smalling is sold.

11.) 10 Jul 2017 13:48:11
Blind a direct replacement for Carrick? Daley Blind? Wow.

Wouldn't bother me if any of them left, Mata is a nice bloke but doesn't cut it on the pitch, too weak and too slow for a Jose team, I really like him and don't mind if he stays but doubt he will be first choice and shouldn't be.



02 Feb 2016 21:45:14
Giggsy off to Celtic?


1.) 02 Feb 2016 21:57:40
I read he was home ill.

2.) 02 Feb 2016 22:19:04
It's rubbish.




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13 Jun 2018 23:13:56
It's a shame about Martial wanting to leave. I'm a big fan of his but I think with most of his performances, my heart ruled my head. It's the curious case of when footballers don't play they tend to become better players. Always calling for their inclusion when they're not selected but when they do play, they don't put down a marker.

I think Martial is and will become a much better player than Rashford but he's obviously not going to be content with only playing a handful of games. I was really worried when Jose said he wasn't going to recruit any more attacking players after the signing of Sanchez. I was worried because Lukaku, Sanchez, Mata, Martial, Rashford and Lingard in my opinion with whatever combination of them you play, haven't showed that they are clinical enough when it matters over the course of a season. (Lukaku is excused) .

Martial will more than likely go on and become a world class player but right now I'm looking forward to the player that will hopefully replace him. Bale or Griezmann would be the dream. We need a truly world class attacking player if we want to catch City and improve in Europe.

The only thing I'm worrued about is what type of fee we can receive. We have been negligent in the past when we sell our players. We get bent over a barrel when we buy and seem to get bent over a barrel when we sell.

Sorry to see you go Tony but I'm incredibly excited about your replacement!


1.) 14 Jun 2018 07:33:11
Mumbles. If you grossly overpay for a player in the first place, you can never recoup your money, especially when a player has performed below expected potential. I like Martial when he hits one of his inconsistent highs but the clubs that can afford inflated prices are not going to bite unless they see real consistent value. Unless we cease be so daft in the buying market we will always suffer when selling. We need, among some real grafters among the stars we have players who know that there place depends on weekly team performance not profile. Talk of Ronaldo and Bale makes me cringe. The are are at the peak of their career, will only come for top dollar and however we'll they might transform the team will depreciate rapidly especially as we will have overpaid to start with.

2.) 14 Jun 2018 09:09:16
I can't say I'm disappointed if he's going. A few moments of brilliance but he's hardly Giggs. I think he slows down the play too much, always pausing and letting defenders get back into position before trying to beat them rather than knocking it and going when he has the advantage which is more like Rashford plays. Defensively he is a liability and in todays game you can't carry players, you have to attack and defend as a team. I'll stick my neck out and say I don't think he'll ever be a top player and that's a shame because he has the talent but can't be bothered with the effort. We know someone else like that as well who I also wouldn't be bothered if they left the club.



29 May 2018 17:27:50
How dare United not sign a player we have no interest in. How dare United not sign a defensive midfielder when we don't need one. How dare United not sign a player before Liverpool.

This is getting embarrassing lads. The doom and gloomers have a point about the style of football being played. They have a point about the way the squad is run by Jose. But deary me, just because Liverpool announced a player (we had zero interest in) it's just another excuse to twist the knife yet again.

I'd imagine it was the same group of people who wanted Bakayoko over Matic because he was fresh and shiny after a good season at Monaco.

The window wasn't only open for one day. If the window closes and we haven't done well then that's fair game. But moaning because Liverpool sign a decent player is not cause for concern nor is it the end of United.


1.) 29 May 2018 17:45:14
To be fair I don't think too many people are moaning.

I couldn't care less myself, plenty of players as good or better than Fabinho and we don't need another DM. We do need an RB but there are much better than him out there.

I'd take heart in the fact that Liverpool are getting praise for pulling this deal off under the radar - it shows that the media/ people in general aren't paying much attention to every move they make if they can do this. It'd be front page news for weeks if we even made a phone call inquiring - shows who the big boys really are.

2.) 29 May 2018 18:28:01
Well said Beast well said 👏.

3.) 29 May 2018 18:58:54
But we do need another DM. If Matic gets injured or has another season where he’s burnt out by February, then what.

Fabinho or not, we need to strengthen midfield. You know that Beast, you’ve said it yourself.

4.) 29 May 2018 19:20:25
Beast you and others further down the page are reminiscing about how we used to laugh at Liverpool's signings and now we should be replicating them.

In everyone's list of summer targets, no one put him in our wishlist. I wouldn't condone spending 40 million on a Matic back up when there are other more obvious areas of the squad that need to be addressed?

Can someone point out the moment when we went under Liverpools shadow?

5.) 29 May 2018 19:36:42
Good post that Beast.

6.) 29 May 2018 20:03:58
If we are not looking to buy another midfielder then it may suggest that jose will look to promote youth. If that is the case then we may see Fosu Mensah get some more games in the middle of the park which I believe is his best position. However 2 midfielders are a must so I expect us to make movements for another after Fred is secured. I trust both the club an jose know their targets and are working on them quietly behind the scenes. let's just wait and see and not worry about our rivals. They will do good business and so will we. There are a lot of top teams in this league and we have to accept that they are also attractive prospects in their own right. It is not like the old days under Fergie where we only had to contend with arsenal and then chelsea came along, followed by city. 6 teams with financial might and world class managers fighting for the league. It is going to be very competitive next year.



15 May 2018 12:55:52
Shappy, I think you're one of the best posters on this site and its a pleasure to read your posts. But this idea that the be all and end all is about adhering to the club's ethos and tradition is just a romantic thought. The name of the game is putting pots in cabinets. Every United fan would love a team full of local lads born under the shadow of Old Trafford to dominate for years but that's never going to happen again.

Jose has done well playing homegrown players this year, yet you still manage to stick the boot in on this topic. Young players should be allowed to make mistakes I agree, but Rashford this year has been well below the standards he's set over the previous year. I think it was you (apologies if it wasnt) who said he gave McTominay an award just to show how great he was at playing youth. McTominay has been one of the highlights of the season for me and the lad looks a tidy player. The award shows every youngster at the club, if you apply yourself and do the job, you can get in this team. Next year the squad should have Rashford, McTominay, Lingard, Pereira and TFM. That's not a bad pool of players from the academy.

I'm with you on the style of football. Everyone wants to watch games on the edge of their seat and be entertained but you have to evolve to that stage. A team that has finished 7th, 4th, 5th, 6th and now second 2nd, can't just go gung ho. We need to be pragmatic on how we approach some matches (not all) . You'll be screaming at your screen no doubt saying Pep has done it at City. He has, they play some breathtaking stuff at times but that was down to the other 19 teams never putting preasure on them. The top teams couldn't keep the pace and the bottom teams consistently rolled over and had their bellies tickled, but that's one for the conspiracy page.

When Jose and Pep took over, off the top of my head I'd say De Gea and maybe Martial were the only two United players that would have gotten into that City team. Since then pep has bought 17 players, Jose has bought 8. The gap between us is pretty big. It might take a year or two to bridge that gap and Jose is the man to hunt city down.

You also say that Jose hasn't the best intentions for the club but only for himself. If Jose is doing well, then Manchester United are doing well. Before I go into the next part of my post, I'm 31, I was raised watching Sir Alex teams run amok for over two decades and just seein him in the stands always brings a smile to me face but the great man put himself before the club on many occasion.

He consistently forced players to join his brothers management firm. He announced mid season he was leaving the club in 2002 and cost us another league title because he wanted a better contract. The row with Magnier and McMagnus over the rights to a poxy horse set into a chain of events that shaped the club drastically. Fergie sued the majority share holders of Manchester United for 2.5 million pounds. They decide the sell all their shares to a Mr Glazer and we all know the rest. I'm sure there are a few more instances of Sir Alex putting himself first but as long as you're winning titles, it's all gravy!

It seems like I'm knocking Fergie but I'm not, I adore the man but fans look back over his tenure and I think they've reinvented some of the past. Does anyone remember that we were poison for most of the 20th title win? Do you care? Does it matter that the conveyor belt of youth stopped being produced for the last decade of Fergies tenure? Was it that big a deal? Every away game at Stamford Bridge, Anfield, later years the Etihad, any away game in Europe, we shut up shop and tried to nick a goal. Fergies bread and butter was not losing to our rivals away, and beat everyone else. Jose is adopting the same approach, we just need to more clinical against the lesser teams.

I'm not just signalling you out Shappy mate, I enjoy these debates because in the end we all want United to be successful, there's just many different roads to get there.

I'm genuinely curious though for all the fans who would like to see the back of Jose, who would you get and why?


1.) 15 May 2018 13:13:19
One of the best posts I have read on this site mumbles. Outstanding, and I agree 100% with all of that.

2.) 15 May 2018 13:29:16
Wow . Read it twice it's even better 😆😆.

3.) 15 May 2018 13:42:31
Great post mate, had to agree twice.

4.) 15 May 2018 13:54:33
Great post. Great examples of Fergie putting himself first.

5.) 15 May 2018 13:55:11
Agree 100%. Great post .

6.) 15 May 2018 13:55:15
Good post that mate.

7.) 15 May 2018 13:59:42
Post. of. the. year.

8.) 15 May 2018 14:16:47
That was a great mumble Mumbles.
I love the post and indeed read it twice and was impressed more. Well done. Post of the season.

9.) 15 May 2018 14:30:47
Mumbles top post. For every ying there is a yang.
The bias coming groom certain posters is obvious. It appears as if There are a few that would like to see jose fail just because they can say told you so.
Each has their own opinion we all want the ssme thing ultimately which is a successful united team.

10.) 15 May 2018 14:33:34
Brilliant post, agree 100%.

11.) 15 May 2018 14:38:04
Top post. Agree totally.

Its bias/ hatred towards Jose that is obvious in some posters' posts. Negativity spreads like wildfire. It was a few to start with and then everyone hopped on that bashing.

12.) 15 May 2018 14:51:45
Very Good post mate, a brilliant read thank you.

I've read the Jose debate with interest over the past couple of days and I must confess I can fall either side of the fence on any particular day.

What really swings it for me are the results and progress that has undoubtedly been made. 81 points, 19 clean sheets without having a particularly settled back four or any outstanding defenders (with the exception of De Gea), we've won every match when scoring the first goal an impressive 21 matches and reached another cup final so the results are there even if the performances have yet to come. The signs are ominous if you dare to look and believe in what the manager is trying to do.

We're now highly competitive despite still being in transition which shouldn't be underestimated.

I agree the style is poor, there is little doubt we're a hard watch and if they were giving out points for artistic impression we'd be mid table at best. The table doesn't lie though and there is no right or wrong way to play football. The only style that matters is the winning on.

I think there is still great suspicion around Mourinho in that he only wants to buy ageing, experienced players to play dull pragmatic football and at the end of it all we might have won some silverware but left saddled with a squad of expensive geriatrics with little thought for the future. I think this is a misconception for which there is little evidence. Lukaku, Pogba, Bailly and Lindelof are all young and yet to reach their peak and even Matic and Sanchez can still give good service to the Club despite their advancing years. Some are still suspicious of the fact he rarely spends longer that 3 years at any given Club but this may be because he's managed some of the biggest Clubs in the world who often sack managers as frequently as they change their first team strip. Then comes the implosion argument. It always falls apart in his third year. I think people should take comfort in the fact that Mourinho is a winner. He won't accept anything else from either his players or the Club. He'll keep pushing, fighting, demanding more. This may indeed see him fall out with certain players or even the board but he wants to win. My worst fear for Utd is a future spent in purgatory a manager who maintains the status quo, delivers top 4, plays attractive football, keeps the revenue steams and sponsors happy but delivers little. Mourinho will probably go one way or the other, he'll either be immensely successful or crash out in an explosive of argument and controversy.

I say for those that don't want to believe in Mourinho then trust in the numbers. The progress is tangible in the numbers and football cannot be measured by artistic impression. Mourinho will keep pushing, demanding, striving for more and for those that will never take to him he'll either deliver trophies or self destruct so it's a win/ win for you lot anyway.

13.) 15 May 2018 15:51:34
Interesting post but I disagree with the conclusion and the angle. Obviously as we all support Utd we want to be on your side of the fence with this, but I'm keeping my red tinted specs off I'm afraid.

Every club will have its ups and downs, squabbling, mistakes, bad signings, bad decisions etc.

If you believe Jose is the man to take us forward then you can find good arguments for it, if you think he is another mistake then you can find a lot stronger arguments why that is the case in my opinion.

I would hire Jardim or another up and coming manager who doesn't think they are more important that the club - we need a young-ish manager with something to prove, a winning mentality, the desire to win games playing attacking football, proven ability at taking players and improving them, taking risks to win games.

Maybe pre-Pep the argument for Jose would be stronger, but we need an X factor now if we expect to compete at the top - on paper Jose has done fine, but fortunately football isn't played on paper. Our signings have been mostly poor, we look like a team lacking identity still, the progress of our talented players has been stagnant, big signings not pulling up trees - progress of our average/ squad players non-existent. It's all sub-par for me, aside from the points tally, which is benefiting from the poorness of the league and Jose's undoubted ability to grind out results. He is a master at this, but it isn't enough anymore.

The benchmark Jose is being judged on by his supporters is LVG - it's a false benchmark. We have never been more consistently poor on the eye, we are more solid but we lack so much going forward it makes me wonder if we do any work on attacking play in training at all. Frankly Jose has benefited from following an absolute fiasco of a manager, he has had 2 seasons, mega money and not one of our fans would seriously expect us to compete with City in the league or win the CL next season - that isn't enough progress and Jose is likely to implode there have been sparks galore all season - everything is on egg shells and our performances highlight that better than words can.

We all want Jose to take us to the next level, but all Jose has done is pull us closer to where we used to be, whilst looking like a team falling further behind.

If I were a Spurs, City or Liverpool fan I'd be more excited about next season than a Utd fan - that should tell us everything we need to know about what our future is likely to be under Jose (a lot like the past 2 years of hellish football)!

14.) 15 May 2018 15:57:17
If we don't win the fa cup have we had a good season?

15.) 15 May 2018 16:10:59
Tell us what you think jred.
I'd say the season was ok. But very good if we win the cup.
Liverpool will say the same i'm sure. Except they disproved in the league and done very well in cl. But win nothing and they will feel disjointed i'm sure.
Spurs threading water.

Chelsea disaster season along with arsenal we know what it's like without cl football. It's terrible.

16.) 15 May 2018 16:13:34
Excellent post Mumbles and I'm virtually 100% in agreement with you.
But we mustn't forget that part of the club's ethos is playing attacking, exciting football. It's part of the club's heritage and identity and forsaking that does a disservice to the memory of the Busby Babes. And also the incredible achievement of Sir Matt Busby in winning the European Cup 10 years later. I still think it's the greatest achievement in any sport ever.
Of course we can't field a team of 18 year old Mancunians. But we could have that kind of spirit out on the pitch. Pep and his team's always seem to have the spirit of Cruyff about them. But we've had great players here, great managers here as well. The present manager and players should identify with that a bit more than they are.
I'm actually hopeful for next season, I think Mourinho will address what's needed and we will see more joie de vivre next season.

17.) 15 May 2018 16:23:03
Beast I too am a massive fan of jardim. Think he is a brilliant manager and his Monaco side played some very attractive football a few seasons back. He also promotes youth and he won the league against a PSG side who have a bottomless pit of money. He would be a great appointment after Jose. But for me after Jose has finished his contract. It sends a wrong precedent if we are sacking him after finishing second in the league and potentially with a cup win. Imo we will sign some very good defensive players and some much needed midfielders and the squad Jose leaves for the next manager will be much better than the one he inherited. It’s too much of a risk sacking and hiring someone when quite frankly this squad is not as strong as the league table suggests. I know the football is dour but has done enough to earn another year for me. I know we will disagree on this but let’s get behind the manager and the team and see where next season takes us. You never know Jose may surprise a few.

18.) 15 May 2018 16:46:39
Mumblea top post that. Just a reply down to shappy below.

What ethos and traditions are we talking about? .

I thought qe live in 2018 and not 1990s or eqrly 2000s.

Sports is about money just as much aa it is abount entertatinment.

If you want entertainment you might aa well watch sunday league or a comedy show and you will be entertained.

Jose didn't come to entertain anyone he came to pick United up for nit peforming dor 3 years.

He inherited a team full of ols players and players that were lucky they have won a premier league title. Whether that was down to genius of fergie or the league being poor.

I wouls aay it was a bit of both but it was more becauase of league being poor.

Fergie didn't always entertain he was just a winner like Mourinho.

Man city has tons of money, chelsea has loads, liveepool spend tons of money and Arsenal will too this year.

Do you just want to wait and get a young manager and then hope for things to work. Because all you can do is hope as the young manager wouldbt have no preivous record of winning titles where as with Mourinho he has won a title 2 yeara ago in emgland.

Back Mourinho give him the players he wants and then judge him.

We all just want to chop. and change each year and it hasn't got us no where for last 5 years.

The worse Mourinho will do is he will leave a set of top playera behind with a much better winning mentality after winning and 2 titles last years and hopefully winning another this week.

19.) 15 May 2018 17:24:04
Even if we win the cup jred I don't think we've had a "good" season. I judge each year by the league table and second never sits right with me. That being said, even though we didn't have a "good" season, we have improved from last year in every area. As long as we are on the ascendancy, then I'm content.

Beast, Jardim who's had 5 manager jobs in 5 years before Monaco and won a Greek title and a French title? I enjoyed watching Monaco last year, they had a great team and played some exciting football but I certainly wouldn't be giving the keys to the kingdom to a manager with that sort of record.

Spurs, Liverpool and City fans will all be a lot more excited than united fans next year? Spurs are at the end of their cycle. That team has peaked and realistically have one more season before their better players leave. Liverpool fans need no help getting excited about anything and City fans are so excited, they can't even leave their houses to go to games. Speak for yourself mate but I'm really looking forward to next year.

I was happy when we showed heart and determination to come back against Palace. I was happy when we easily brushed Liverpool aside. The Fergie esc comeback against City. The big game performance against Spurs in the Semi final. And that was all in the space of a month! No one has ever accused you of having rose tinted specs mate but if you can't look at the positives after that month and see the potential instead of the negative and look forward to seeing what next year has in store then what's the point.

I just don't see how you can sack a manager with a CV like Jose after 2 seasons of bringing in trophies and improving us consistently? You have a filet steak sitting in front of you but youd rather a hamburger with a sparkler in it.

I watch every game with my dad. He's a pessimistic united fan. I'm an optimistic one. Being pessimistic is too easy. They want to have their cake and eat it too. If the crap hits the fan, the pessimistic fan gets to say "I was right, you're wrong! " If the pessimistic fan gets it wrong "I don't care, we won, that's all that matters"

I certainly think we can challenge next year. We could improve our tally of 81 points to 90+ and we're in the race!

20.) 15 May 2018 17:25:54
Second in the league and hopefully an fa cup will be about par for the course imo. Second best squad in the league so, so so.
Lvg got joint 5th ( joint points with 4th ) won the fa cup and everyone wanted rid
Chelsea have shown they were not the team many liked to make out Costa was badley missed and morata is not a good enough replacement.

Spurs treading water . Wow tells me a lot .
3rd in the league again from a team with a wage bill 50% than the team pushing for top 4 and a net spend of 50 mil over 3 year .

Dear me awful post, clubs like United have a history and tradition never mind " do we live in the 2000s "
Madrid Munich barce all have a club tradition that they are proud of it's what sets them apart .
They also have glory hunting fans .

Do people think United will win the league next year then?

21.) 15 May 2018 17:32:59
Jose has never been a long term manager, he doesn't build for the future he builds for the now.
3 year at a club, win move on .

It's served him well he has been a very succesful manager, but the signs are there. Football has moved on, the game different he just doesn't look the right fit at United.

For as good a manager as he is he was sacked in his last 2 jobs .
I think he will be at the club another 12 month and then one way or the other leave .

For all the people who keep saying he will get it right, why couldn't he turn Chelsea round, should they of stuck by him?

22.) 15 May 2018 17:37:21
Happy you are optimistic, but I prefer to look at the evidence before my eyes. People take different things from a game of football, but 95% of games this season I have felt dejected and fed up after the show we put on. Expecting things to improve points wise is fair enough, but the other 3 clubs I mention play better football than us and look like improving. Not sure how you can say Spurs are at the end of a cycle, they look ready to kick on to me.

I'd love to hear the excuses given if we had to play at Wembley this year!

How many titles had Zidane won before beoming Madrid manager, how many people have even heard of half the Barcelona managers in recent years? A lot of people say give Jose time and money, but 2 years is a fair amount of time in modern football, especially if the product on the pitch shows little to no signs of improvement.

If I were a shareholder in Utd I'd be singing a different tune, but most of us won't be - we watch to enjoy the games. My points are still correct about the waste of money, failure from most big signings, treading water of the young stars we expected to be world beaters a couple of years ago.

We know what we are going to get, play bad football, but grind out results. Probably beat more teams than we draw with and sneak a few wins against big teams, but overall we rely on luck more than our ability - this is not the Man Utd most of us fell in love with, nor does it look like being under Jose, so why persist with hundreds of millions more being spent to paper over the obvious cracks?

23.) 15 May 2018 18:03:24
Why does every other team improve but we simply paper over the cracks? My point about Spurs being at the end of their cycle is a very valid one. Poch won't be there for long, a year at best. When the buzz of the new stadium wears away and they go another season without silverware, then their better players especially the foreign lads will be on their way.

Liverpools forward line will do incredibly well if they call replicate this season in terms of numbers. Their style of play suits open games but I can guarantee you that most teams going to an field will shut up shop and that's were they struggle.

Pep asks a lot from his players. When they're winning it's all sweet as a nut. If it derails at all, problems could occur but they are without a doubt the ones to catch.

I personally think we have the bigger scope to improve. I think our forwards as an attacking until have been poor. It's partly down to the manager but also majorly down the the individuals. If we can get an extra 20% out of them and become more ruthless, with reinforcements in the transfer market I don't she why we can bridge the gap to at least challenge.

24.) 15 May 2018 18:06:50
Jred it was a great post by singh. We don't have a great squad at all. so do you judge results on money spent on wages or on goals scored/ conceded?
Liverpool spent more than us this season and if they win nothing they have disimproved in the league then its a poor season imo.

Your right in your post above jose is a great manager yet you think nothing will improve next season very strange.

25.) 15 May 2018 18:20:36
Beast with all due respect I can’t remember the last time you were positive or said a good thing about united. Even under Fergie in his last few seasons there was always something you had a moan about. In this instance I agree the football is very difficult on the eye but there is plenty to be positive about. There are some potentially very exciting players coming in, back in the champions league for next year and the only way is up in terms of playing style. And before you say we are Man Utd champions league should be the miniumim, we haven’t exactly been stellar united the last 5 years. Yes there are things we all agree need improving but you have had a problem with the last 3 managers. What if jardim came in and started struggling? This is a huge job which the last few managers have underestimated. The united manager has to deal with the vitriol and negativity the press throws at the club, unrest from some fans but also the expectation to play the united way and to manage yourself in a certain way. Jardim doesn’t have that personality. yet I believe. If you sack Jose now there is a handful of coaches available and two of them are at city and Liverpool. Just try and enjoy the ride and lighten up abit because things are far better than you are seeing them. If we are in this position next year I will be joining you in calling for a change. But things take time and because certain fans dislike Jose as a character, they do not want to afford him the time that they would to their beloved managers they wish was managing Utd.

26.) 15 May 2018 19:10:45
Mumbles, that is a fantastic post, and although I don't agree with parts of it I can appreciate the quality of it. Unfortunately I'm far too busy today to write a reply that post deserves. I haven't even been able to read all the replies. Be sure I will write a rebuttal in the coming days when I can force some time into my schedule.

27.) 15 May 2018 19:20:04
It’s a good post, very well thought out and some very relevant points made. However, I do want to take issue with one point. The ethos and tradition doesn’t have to be home grown players, but it is about attacking entertaining football and we have seem too little of that for the last 5 years.

I don’t want Jose to fail. If we win the title and play great football I will happily eat humble pie. I just don’t see it happening.

28.) 15 May 2018 20:43:19
You're right, Tony. I don't think anybody WANTS Jose to fail, because if he fails, its meant the club has failed, and no one wants that.

I do expect an honest critique of how he's doing, and while the football by and large, has been dull and uninspired, I can see the obvious improvement from life under LVG - a low bar admittedly.

As such, he was given a contract to do a job, and I think he should be allowed to see it out as long as that improvement continues.

Don't like him and will probably never warm to him or his style of football. However, I'll support him because he's doing a job for the club I love. Not in the way I would like, but he's still doing it.

I'm certainly not looking for it to go wrong, just so I can say I told you so, as some have rather pettily suggested. Following that logic, I want the club to fail as well, which is just stupid.

29.) 15 May 2018 21:16:42
We do have a good squad it's just got 80 plus points and only a exceptional city team finished above us .
That's fact not opinion but says a lot about your opinion.

It's a shocking post by singh unless your a bit of a glory hunter United and our tradition means a lot to the average fan.

30.) 15 May 2018 22:12:29
I agree with jred, Singh’s post is depressing and if that is how fans feel today then I want no part of it.

31.) 15 May 2018 22:39:44
Couldn’t agree more. Been saying for some time Jose must stay. Great post.

32.) 15 May 2018 23:14:47
It's not what the vast majority of United fans are about .
We are not any other club.



14 May 2018 15:39:06
Good evening folks. The curtain has come down on the premier league season and the managers future again is causing a split. I get the football has been dour. At times its a chore watching us instead of it being a pleasure. I agree with most of the points from the supporters who want to play the Man Utd way and would be happy with seeing the back of Jose. And I also agree with the supporters who see improvement's and want to stick instead of twisting.

Progress is the key. If you can improve every step of the way, then success won't be far away. Like him or loathe him, Jose has improved us. Scored more, conceded less, more points in total, more points against our top rivals. The basics are more than there. The foundation's are nearly laid.

I seen a stat that blew me away. In the 21 games in the league we scored first, we went on to win all 21. That's a manager who knows how to win. That is extraordinary.

I do get that the football is tedious, but we are evolving. The team is learning how to win again. To win ugly. To grind out results. To come from behind. To keep going until the last minute. To hold onto leads.

I was in the pub last week. Having a chat about the world of football with some opposition fans. The stuff they were saying about our manager and our club was the same vitriol that was said when we were winning titles under Sir Alex.

Our perch was supposed to be destroyed. We were supposed to spend the next decade or two fighting for European football at best. Well it's not working out like that.

Give the Special One another year. That's nothing in football terms. With improvements in the squad, I can see us winning the league next year!


1.) 14 May 2018 15:54:34
Can't see past city next year to be honest .

2.) 14 May 2018 16:25:28
Mumbles. Good post, but City won the league by 19 points and a good of 39 more than us. They also played with style and aggression that will see them win the league quite comfortably for the next two seasons. If we continue being dour, unadventerous, boring, we will not be in top 4 next year. Liverpool and chelsea will improve further. So there's no way we're winning the league with mourinho in charge.

3.) 14 May 2018 16:52:26
And man city will bring in a few more players in the summer.
So they might be that bit stronger next season.
We are a long way off the top teams in Europe.

4.) 14 May 2018 18:10:24
AAA. So everyone will improve except for us? Can we not sign players? The league hasn't been retained in nearly a decade. Peps methods are strenuous on his players and near the end of the season when they played their 3 most important matches against us and two against Liverpool they fluffed their lines.

Liverpool have the best player in Europe playing for them and they only finished 4th. Spurs are at the end of their cycle, that team has peaked. Depends who Chelsea get in but their squad needs major work. Every team has flaws. You'd swear we fluked our way to second this year.

We have no divine right to win anything and finishing second and improving from our disastrous finishes over the last few years shows me we're on the right track.

5.) 14 May 2018 18:22:23
Mourinho’ s football bores me, his whole persona these days bores me. We need fresh ideas and attacking entertaining football but he won’t be going anywhere not for another year at least. God help us.

6.) 14 May 2018 18:27:55
Well said Mumbles. Our football had been pretty dull, but the amazing Liverpool and Spurs (and Chelsea) finished comfortably behind us. We will strengthen, Jose will see to that, and will be better next season. If not, Jose is a goner.

7.) 14 May 2018 18:35:32
Very good post and expresses my feelings mostly, great record 21/ 21, my worry tho is when we fall behind most often we don’t seem able to recover, ok City and Palace was great comebacks but be interesting to see what our record in that department is.

8.) 14 May 2018 21:37:43
Class mumbles.



13 Mar 2018 16:19:13
Ed001. If I have a couple of hours spare, I'm going from page to page reading up on the opposition. It's always a great insight into the fans of each particular club and I'm addicted!

Each page is obviously full of biased fanatics and the only time we get to discuss each others teams is when we either play them, or one of their posters come over for some light hearted banter.

What I'm getting at is, I'd love to read what all the other fans think of our current team. I know it wouldn't be pretty because unbiased football supporters are rare but maybe start alphabetically and over the next few weeks or months and just start adding "Your review on the current Arsenal team and manager" on all the teams pages and so on.

I think it would make really interesting reading and maybe get a few decent discussions going from page to page!

Just a thought!


{Ed001's Note - that's not a bad idea, as it is something that can be done gradually and then when finished just go back to the beginning and start again. So it is a nice never ending discussion starter. Thanks mate I have added it to the to do list.}

1.) 13 Mar 2018 17:43:33
Great suggestions and thanks in advance Ed.

{Ed001's Note - looking forward to it mate, will make a nice break from the weeks of research that go into some of the articles. Be nice to just be able to write, rather than having to spend all that time finding out about what you are going to write about.}

2.) 13 Mar 2018 17:44:41
Given how some pages get so little action, maybe just start with the clubs with lots of posters. I think this is a pretty cool idea.

3.) 13 Mar 2018 17:49:52
I think we are ok atm. Nothing great but the mentality is back.

Once we upgrade a few positions we will be a lot closer to city.

4.) 13 Mar 2018 18:34:26
Spot on Chris.

5.) 13 Mar 2018 19:44:38
How's things chris.




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06 Jun 2018 19:01:07
Thanks ed! If you have the time in the future to explain "release clauses" it would be amazing. I think the general consensus of them is X player has a £50 million clause. We bid and that's that. I think this assumption stems from Football Manager. Would love more details about it when you have the time. Cheers!


{Ed002's Note - Perhaps a reminder about transfer related clauses would be apt. This is a horribly complex area not least because they are written under individual national laws. They cause a great deal of misunderstanding with football supporters and the media alike.

The "buy out clause" is legally binding between a club and a player. The "buy out" is effectively what it says - a means for the player to buy himself out of the contract. As an example, if a player wishes to buy himself out of a contract, he pays the applicable FA (on behalf of the club) the amount of the "buy out" clause effectively becoming a free agent. The problem is that in most cases a player would need to obtain that money from the buying club - and this is fraught with issues regarding "tapping up" and, of course, taxation (as it can be seen as income for the player and would therefore be subject to income tax). There was a test case about the taxation issue in Spain about five years ago which is why they have an exception. All players in Spain and Portugal have a release clause that allows the player to buy himself out of his contract without tax implications. This was to address a ruling from around 30 years ago allowing players a way out of their contracts. It works differently in Iberia to elsewhere as the tax implications do not make such clauses viable. All players in Iberia must have a figure set and agreed with the club. So "buy out" clauses are very rare. Related to this is the Webster Ruling but I don't intend to go in to that now.

A "release clause" is far more common in that it gives a figure that the club would accept for the sale of a player to another club - but it is not legally binding except where both parties (clubs) are in the same country (for the sake of argument I should say that football Spain and Portugal count as the same country as do England and Wales) for legal purposes. These are normally unreasonably high figures (Messi at Barcelona for example) introduced to act as a deterrent for hostile bids - and even then the club could easily block a move. However, if a club in the same country does agree to match a release clause then the selling club would be obliged to ask the player if he is interested - there is no obligation on the player to make a move. For interested clubs outside of the country, the selling club may use it as a guide but are under obligation to accept a bid and may demand a higher figure.

There is then the becoming popular "termination clause" which is binding between the player and the club and if met would see an offer from anywhere accepted and the player given the opportunity to make a call on a move. This overcomes the issues associated with "buy out" clauses as the money would be paid by one club to another and about the legal proximity of the buying side.}



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06 Jun 2018 18:49:08
Thanks ed. Have United been in contact with Atletico over a deal for the player?


{Ed002's Note - I have explained their interest in the apst. Right now the player is at the World Cup and no doubt pondering the Barcelona situation. AM want him to stay.}



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06 Jun 2018 18:17:05
Yeah I posted about it last week. It's a rumour that certainly has some legs. Maybe as an early Christmas present ed002 can put us out of our misery and let us know if we're still interested?


{Ed002's Note - The "release clause" for Griezmann is not anything to do with Manchester United.}



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31 May 2018 15:23:54
He's working for a Russian broadcaster for the world cup. I'd say he was there doing his homework on the Russian national side.




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14 Sep 2017 17:20:19
In a world where an average footballer can cost 40 million, Ozil on a free is a no brainer. Judge a fishes ability to climb a tree and you won't be happy wit the results. Ozil isn't there for his work rate and off the ball pressing. He's there as the key to unlocking a defence. Stick him in amongst world class talent and he'll shine.





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15 Jun 2018 12:59:41
I thought Bielsa would have been more sought after than having to drop down to the championship.




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10 Jun 2018 16:55:09
Ed, I don't think Kante is underrated. All we heard from his time at Leicester was "how much heart he has", "playing with Kante is like playing with 12 players" and then at Chelsea, if I had a drink everytime a commentator said "any team that had Kante in it would win the league" and the other two quotes up above I'd need about 6 liver transplants.

He's an awesome player!


{Ed001's Note - and that was my point. He is that good that even though he is talked up they are still underrating him massively. They only talk about his breaking up play, they completely ignore the fact he is also a very good player on the ball.}



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10 Jun 2018 16:46:44
I don't think you can begrudge anybody a chance to make more money. South Americans tend to come from rather poor back rounds. He probably has a big family and a lot of friends relying on him for a better standard of life.




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31 May 2018 07:05:19
You honestly think if a team could only choose 14 players that could roll on and roll off, that any one of them would be a youngster? This would make it a lot harder for a youngster to break through because your 3 subs would become even more important and no top manager is going to put youth on the bench.




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29 May 2018 22:45:20
Ed002 said we had no interest in Fabinho. That's all the information you need right there.