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31 May 2018 07:02:14
Before we start this is only something iv read. Its a nice old school rumour with a story. I'm paraphrasing a bit but apparently our new sleeve sponsor is "Kohler" (an American manufacturing comapny) .

So the story goes that the guy who brokered the deal let it slip to someone that we have activated Griezmann''s release clause. Him accepting our offer is a different matter. Either way he won't be announcing where he's going until after the world cup.

If the the sleeve sponsor announced in the next two weeks is Kohler, then maybe this has legs.

Woodward is always looking for the big "markee" signing. Maybe Antoine is it?

Mumbles

1.) 31 May 2018 07:28:53
Mumbles I read exactly the same thing last night and not going to lie it got me very excited. I am very sceptical but there could be some truth in it. I would have thought Barcelona would have had this deal wrapped by now. But I think there is something to do with his release clause being activated at a certain date. I would love griezmann he is my preferred no 1 signing this summer. At least will if we announce the Koehler sleeve sponsor then perhaps we can get excited by this.


2.) 31 May 2018 09:07:19
I wouldn't be surprised if this was part of a strategy to get Bale, There is obvious interest in Bale and the numbers being quoted since he scored in the final seem to have increased maybe this is our way of saying if the price is to much we can go elsewhere. The good thing for us is there is a lot of top talent available just now so hopefully we don't get held to ransom as much as normal. Saying that with the names being thrown around looking for a move in the summer anyone else massively regretting buying Sanchez.


3.) 31 May 2018 09:30:52
Havent seen those Griezman rumours but its always struck me as odd that JM hasn't kept him in the frame . obviously wanted him and by all accounts we were close to getting him - now he is "available" again, human nature says JM just suddenly would not be interested in him -yes we got RL "instead" Fergie always wanted Batistuta, Van Persie, Lewondowski . so I can imagine JM has always considerd Griezeman as one that got away.

Griezeman meets EDS galatico policy and JM likes him a lot. so its not completely impossible just very doubtful to me.

Martial leaving puts a new slant on it all, if that's what happens this summer as the lad seems unsettled.


4.) 31 May 2018 10:03:11
Martial keeps his counsel very close to his chest too which I do like. Has he been quoted anywhere saying he is keen to leave or indeed stay?


5.) 31 May 2018 10:45:29
First time I've heard of kohler so well done to them.


6.) 31 May 2018 23:44:33
Read the Kohler would like a partnership with Koke also.


 

 

12 Nov 2017 07:06:11
I just seen that we're linked with a move for Asensio. I would have thought he'd be one of the key men in the Madrid rebuild over the next few years.

Mumbles

1.) 12 Nov 2017 12:41:31
didnt he sign a new contract in the summer with a ridiculous buyout clause?


2.) 12 Nov 2017 13:38:11
I think if he is available he would be moving to Barcelona but itd be stupid to sell him as he is as big talent as Mbappe.


 

 

20 Aug 2017 00:13:28
Steady improvement is all you can ask for in football. We've improved the squad with some quality players. Our attacking players have hit the ground running, 4 different scorers today. Last year we were grinding out 1-0's always looking like we were capable of conceding late. I know it's early days but when we go up against the little piggies who built their house out of brick, we won't huff and puff, we just kick the front door in!

We have options from the bench. We have different combinations in midfield depending on the opposition. Maybe lacking a back up striker and a full back but we have players who could fill in for shirt periods of time.

The old cliché rings true. Take each game as they come. We have pace, power, guile, height attacking set pieces. A mixed bag to cause any team problems. A couple more of those results and the fear factor will well and truly be back!

Mumbles

1.) 20 Aug 2017 09:52:45
Omg I just said a similar thing to this Mumbles. That we need a fullback predominantly right I think. That we need a right forward. Don't forget Martial and Rushford can play central of we get an injury to Lukaku. But I agree two more would be great. Although it'll be hard I think.


2.) 20 Aug 2017 11:55:48
Totally agree, the signs are good. Two different games and the same result, if we can do this against good opposition as well then we will romp the league. Punishing teams is a great thing because it will scare teams when they go a goal down, recent seasons opponents always thought they could win from a goal down or at least draw - now they may fear a pasting if they open up - nice to give opposition something to think about for once as it has been too easy for managers to know how to set-up against us and exactly how we will play.


3.) 20 Aug 2017 13:20:03
I think its the left back sydney, not right. Blind looked like he didn't want the ball yesterday and usually passes backwards.


4.) 20 Aug 2017 13:41:02
Nonsense. Blind was always an option and played well.


5.) 20 Aug 2017 13:50:17
Granted his delivery yesterday was not perfect, but defensively he was excellent again and always offers an outlet.


6.) 20 Aug 2017 14:05:09
I like Blind a lot he always tries has an excellent football brain and can pass well but and it is a big but. he is not fast and most right wingers or attacking fullbacks beat him. He will be targeted and against the better teams he will cost us goals if played against left back.


7.) 20 Aug 2017 17:03:51
Eric - Not sure how you can say it's 'nonsense' when most fans agree with the point. Blind is a passenger, he offered zero going forward. Every time he got the ball he passed it backwards or inside, never gave an option for the wide player, no overlaps and he was frequently letting the ball bounce in the box or was lucky to escape being flat footed when balls came in. We won despite Blind, not because of Blind.

It's very similar when Rojo plays out there. I find myself simply hoping for an average performance, because the alternative is disaster. Most other teams have full backs that are great assets and support the attackers, Blind can't offer that because he is very slow and by committing forward (where he offers little) he is exposing himself to a counter attack because he couldn't catch treacle.

Sad but true, he is not good enough as a full back and against good teams we would get punished.


8.) 20 Aug 2017 18:38:55
didn't rashford start off as a right winger? maybe try him there with martial on the left, but martial reminds me of olly comes off bench and does brill.


9.) 20 Aug 2017 20:17:11
Ole didn't cost us in excess of 50 million.


10.) 20 Aug 2017 21:16:45
Beast mate, I think we'll be alright against the top teams. Jose likes the play a tight game somewhat defensive against better opposition. I think Herrera will come in for those big games. A midfield of him closing down and winning the ball back, Pogba further up marauding with a free pass and Matic being the insurance, I think that's the best midfield 3 in the league.

But my favourite part of the make up of the team is very much akin to the 90's united. We have the players to play with the ball on the deck if you want a game of football. We have physically imposing players if you want a battle. We have height to defend a last minute barrage into the box and we have the players with the guile to open up stubborn defences. And something tells me we aren't done in the transfer market either.


11.) 20 Aug 2017 21:21:17
yeah mark let's start trying to fit people in again. No!, let's get specialists in positions we need.


12.) 20 Aug 2017 22:53:09
Blind is a utility player - a defensive one. To criticise him for not bombing forward and neglecting his primary duties of defending is simply ridiculous. In case nobody saw, we kept another clean sheet with him at left back. He tackled well, was solid, and never gave any of their players a sniff?

Two games in, we have scored 8 and conceded 0 yet there are those on here never happy - Beast mate you being a Primary culprit. Enjoy the moment - may not happen again all season! Thankfully Jose doesn't take any of our master tactical analaysis or transfer knowledge on board and picks a team for each match he thinks will win us marches. His career record speaks for itself so I'll leave it to him and enjoy watching us play fun football for the first time in years again.


13.) 20 Aug 2017 23:15:40
Totally agree about Blind. He doesn't offer anything going forward always cuts back and is afraid to overlap because he knows he can't get back quick enough if it breaks down. His crossing is very poor and they are always from deep, hopefully shaw can come back and find some form, wouldn't like to see blind starting against any if our rivals.


14.) 21 Aug 2017 12:16:18
Blind is not pacy enough to be a specialist left back, but when Shaw returns he'll take that slot, and help Rashford in the process. However, he is still a great utility player to call upon, whether in that position, centre half or defensive midfielder.

Gary Neville wasn't the fastest, but he could read the game and was rarely caught out of position. Blind is a very intelligent player, and from what I've seen of him, he rarely gets into a position where he has to run one on one with a winger.


15.) 21 Aug 2017 17:39:03
Blind rarely let's us down. What he lacks in pace he makes up in positioning and reading of the game. Also tidy on the ball.
A very good back up and utility player for me.
Doesn't deserve th stick.


 

 

09 Jul 2017 17:11:39
Evening Ed. We're all pretty up to date with the potential incoming signings. In regards to the potential outgoing players it all seems a bit quiet. We know there's interest from Italy from Darmain and Rooney has left. With Lindelof arriving, I'd imagine one of Jones, Smalling and Rojo being surplus to requirements. Do you know if the club is willing to look at offers for these players?

You've said we're interested in a right back and a left back. Seemingly if we did get Semedo, him and Valencia would share the position until it would eventually go to Semedo full time. But the left back position was chopped and changed so much last year. Is Shaw in danger of being sold? Has he any suitors? I'd imagine his high wages and fee being an issue for a prospective buyer.

Sorry to overload on one post but is there any interest in Blind? I could see him potentially going.

And last but not least. Martial is the big one. Is there interest in him and is Jose willing to part with him.

Very much appreciated mate!

Mumbles

{Ed002's Note - I have dealt with all of this before and it hasn't changed much:
Matteo Darmian
Marcus Rojo
Phil Jones (may not survive the planned Summer cull)
Ashley Young (Summer)
Michael Carrick (will not get a new contract unless no replacement is available in the Summer - else a one year extension)
Wayne Rooney (if Griezmann/Perisic signs)
De Gea (possibly out Summer but a dependency on Real Madrid renewing interest)
Sergio Romero (possibly - might depend on what happens with De Gea)
Zlatan Ibrahimovic
Luke Shaw
Ander Herrera (will stay after patching up the issue)
Juan Mata (possibly - maybe probably later in the window)


1.) 09 Jul 2017 18:19:36
Thanks loads for updated info Ed!


2.) 09 Jul 2017 18:23:52
I for one would be really peed off if mata was sold.

He is a class player and when he plays he is one of only a few who get the team ticking.

Ed can I ask what was the issue with Herrera?

{Ed002's Note - It is unimportant.}


3.) 09 Jul 2017 19:29:46
Ed002, with you having Rooney going with Griezmann or Perisic coming in, does that mean Perisic is a done or close to being done deal with them already letting Rooney go?
I think he'd be a brilliant signing!

{Ed002's Note - No, don't read stuff in to everything.}


4.) 09 Jul 2017 19:33:36
Herrera told the media that the City game was our biggest game of the season, Jose was playing it as just another three points.

Like every manager when dealing with the media you don't go off script and contradict them. They have since kissed and made up, but I suspect Pogba might be made captain rather than Herrera because of this issue.


5.) 09 Jul 2017 20:33:16
Herrera and Barcelona talk whilst on international duty was the reason jose was p'd off I believe.
Inter haven't been offered enough cash is the Perisic situation.


6.) 09 Jul 2017 20:15:02
lads, save the date and time of the above post and anyone who asks the same question, this week, next week or the weeks after, let them know where to find it. As much as all the banter is good, i generally scan through to find the eds reply. i'd imagine others are the same, the search function is great if you have time, but some of us don't, so perhaps a gentle hint in the exact direction by regular visitors would alleviate the constant requests the eds have to put up with. i'd be gutted if Mata left too.


7.) 09 Jul 2017 21:36:33
The search function is great, but an answer to the same question 2 weeks ago isn't likely to be the same now with how fast situations are moving and changing daily.

If Perisic doesn't happen because we won't match their valuation, does anyone know of the alternatives we might go for?


8.) 09 Jul 2017 21:55:27
Emil forsberg, but a deal is highly unlikely!


9.) 09 Jul 2017 22:36:37
That would be amazing, he was a machine last season. If inter won't accept 45m for Perisic might be better offering that for Fosberg. Think a few 30m bids went in for him a bit ago.


10.) 10 Jul 2017 09:42:04
I believe with purchase of Lindelof, Blind would be moved back to midfiled as direct replacement to Carrick. So it's difficult to see if smalling is sold.


11.) 10 Jul 2017 13:48:11
Blind a direct replacement for Carrick? Daley Blind? Wow.

Wouldn't bother me if any of them left, Mata is a nice bloke but doesn't cut it on the pitch, too weak and too slow for a Jose team, I really like him and don't mind if he stays but doubt he will be first choice and shouldn't be.


 

 

02 Feb 2016 21:45:14
Giggsy off to Celtic?

Mumbles

1.) 02 Feb 2016 21:57:40
I read he was home ill.


2.) 02 Feb 2016 22:19:04
It's rubbish.


 

 

 

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16 Oct 2018 09:45:41
Morning ed. With the news that the Saudi prince is interested in buying us, the potential take over hasn't gone down well with large parts of the fan base, many of whom would wash their hands of the club. Without getting into the murky waters of morals and ethics, I have a question.

Could or would the Premier League step in with their fit and proper person criteria and stop such a takeover considering the potential upheaval it could cause the club? Or is our position on the NYSE leaving us open to a takeover and the Premier League would be helpless to intervene (even if they wanted to)?

Thanks.

Mumbles

{Ed002's Note - Upheaval would not be a valid reason to say a Saudi Prince was not a fit and proper person. It is nothing to do with the NYSE.}


1.) 16 Oct 2018 10:19:09
I don't think you would have to look hard to find a valid reason to object to their potential ownership.


2.) 16 Oct 2018 10:40:28
City got took over twice by people with dubious reputations with no problems. I don't think the Saudis would have any problems either.


3.) 16 Oct 2018 10:43:03
There is probably means and ways around the fit and proper persons test if they wanted to make it happen.


4.) 16 Oct 2018 10:16:57
is there genuine interest from the Saudi Prince in buying Utd ED002 or is it just a false story/ rumour? (heard you have a strong form of telepathy)

{Ed002's Note - If the club were for sale there would be interest from a number of parties - but that would be entirely dependent on how it were to be sold, and critically what ever means would give the best return from the owners.}


5.) 16 Oct 2018 10:33:47
or are the Glazers looking to sell up or be open to a sale? should have sent it with the previous questions, my bad Ed.

{Ed002's Note - The club is not being offered for sale at this time.}


6.) 16 Oct 2018 11:43:29
Thanks ED002.


7.) 16 Oct 2018 15:47:38
Reports now are saying any bids over £4 billion would be considered. 😆😆.


8.) 17 Oct 2018 08:53:08
The Glazers still control 90% of the stock, or thereabouts, so, notwithstanding our public company status, we are effectively a private company and any takeover/ merger is dependent on the desire of the controlling shareholders to sell at the price offered. If a Saudi prince were to purchase Manchester United he would probably delist it and take 100% control. The NYSE does not bar Saudis from owning stock in listed companies anyway.


 

 

09 Oct 2018 16:04:57
Ed002, if I could pick your brain for a couple of minutes. How does managers compensation work when they're sacked? I've read varying answers over the years from a full payout of the remainder of their contract, to them still getting paid weekly until they find a new job.

Is it all in the fine print of the contract or is it full payment straight out?

Thanks.

Mumbles

{Ed002's Note - It depends on the individual contracts and can have fixed fees (typically sliding) that vary depending on targets being met or not, or can be a simple calculation based on wages and and bonuses that may be payable. It is can be a single payment or spread over a period. It is often open to negotiation.}


 

 

04 Oct 2018 16:23:05
Evening all. We are without a doubt, knee high, wading through a swamp of crap. I've been on Mourinhos side of this civil war since day one. Reasons being, I have patience and I think steady improvement is the way to the top. Trophies in his first year and Champions league qualification. Finished 2nd with 81 points in the league in the second season. I can't see the improvement on the pitch and off it happening this season. Me personally, I wouldn't pull the trigger just yet, but I would completely understand if the club did.

So how did we get here? In my opinion we've gotten here because every single department that directly effects the onfield performances have underperformed.

Whether it's next week, next month or the end of the season. Ultimately Jose will lose his job. His time here will be a failure. A blip in a fantastic career. When he leaves he can point the to the success he's brought to every other club he's managed and blame our club for the reasons why this was a failure. He will have to take the lions share of the blame, but the club also has to carry that burden too.

Every United fan will proclaim us as the biggest club in the world. We all believe it. And there's evidence there to argue the point if such labels matter to you. But I think we can all agree, we don't act like the biggest club in the world.

Our name gets banded about with Madrid, Barcelona, Bayern and Juventus. Giants in the world of football. We can stand shoulder to shoulder with them, but in history alone. Our future doesn't shine as bright as those other clubs because simply, our club lacks ambition.

We got through the worst of the Glazers leveraged buy out because we had the greatest manager of all time leading the charge. Think of the club as a prize fighter, and before each fight, a vampire sucks out half of your blood. We managed to navigate those fights because of Sir Alex.

The club has spent money, there's no doubt about that. But we've always spent it at the wrong time. Sell Ronaldo, go out and buy Valencia. Moyes' first season, buy no one. LvG had players lined up for January and the club pulled the plug. We finish 2nd in the league last year. All our rivals are strengthening. Sorry Jose, no value in the market.

We can't be trailblazers and be the first club with training jersey sponsorships. Tractor sponsorships, noodle partners and everything that gives us the highest turnover in world football and then say "there's no value in the market". We've helped create this monster and now we don't want to feed it.

Our club should be primed to get the best out of a manager like Jose. Give the man what he needs and he wins leagues. Half arse it and you get this crap show we're at now. Everyone is to blame. Manager, players, board and backroom staff. But the facts will show, we failed him as much as he failed us.

We're surrounded by ambitious clubs domestically and absolute sharks in Europe. Does the club have the ambition to get to the top? Or will it be Eddie Howe? A manager grateful for his big opportunity that he takes what he's given?

I'll always be an eternal optimist. But if you guys who have wanted Jose out since day think that a change of manager will change our fortunes, I think you'll be surprised how far the rot has sunk in.

Mumbles

1.) 04 Oct 2018 17:05:02
great post.


2.) 04 Oct 2018 17:26:21
Great post mumbles.


3.) 04 Oct 2018 17:44:20
Brilliant post mumbles.


4.) 04 Oct 2018 17:47:03
Brilliant as always Mumbles you had me hanging off every word a perfectly balanced and articulate post mate. I think there are a few of us on here that don't necessarily believe a change of manager will make that much difference. A better brand of football; Maybe? Winning the top trophies; No chance!

I've always felt uneasy, even slightly embarrassed about wanting rid of Mourinho. He's the only true winner at our Club and will rightly go down as one of the greatest managers of the modern era.

I'm not convinced his style is outdated, Simeone's hard working and pragmatic A. Madrid side are often lauded.

Two trophies, league and Fa cup runners up isn't too shabby but we expected so much more. Perhaps that's the problem expectations are not aligned with reality. The clock is ticking and it has been for some time now!

I talk like he's already gone but I don't think many expect him to be still in charge at the start of next season. Football is a funny game and things can change quickly but I think most will agree there is an air of inevitability about it all now!

Time will tell if this was a case of the post Fergi curse striking again or Mourinho really is a dinosaur as some have suggested. Whatever the answer it is still sad to see one of the worlds greatest coaches written off, disrespected, ridiculed and under siege.


5.) 04 Oct 2018 17:53:31
a manager that will play attacking football and give the fans value for the money we pay every season,

we pay for our tickets are tv subscription, out internet to stream we buy the kits ETC

what were getting in return is sending us to sleep.

im not asking to win every game. but there is no effort, litrally there is no life in united.

its depressing and the manager is the main reason.


6.) 04 Oct 2018 18:44:07
Mumbles that's a fantastic post mate!


7.) 04 Oct 2018 18:44:23
Mumbles, your posts are great but I disagree with this one, it’s a selective view of Jose’s time here. It ignore all the players he has bought, all the bizarre selecti No, the constant sniping at players, the moods, the whinging. Whatever else is wrong with our club, the Manager should be getting more out of these players than he is. Wherever he goes, he will struggle.


8.) 04 Oct 2018 18:50:45
Great post mumbles.

Really good point about our finances being at the top but ambition well below.

Most on here agree with the need for a DoF and this is something that Woodward has known about for over 2 years but still nothing has happened.

They wouldn’t wait that long to sign a sponsorship deal for anything.


9.) 04 Oct 2018 18:54:51
Phenomenal post mumbles.


10.) 04 Oct 2018 19:15:15
AJH. He picks fights at all his clubs. Maybe that's why he prefers a team littered with senior pros, he knows a bit of tough love isn't going to see them clamp up.

I'm not absolving him of what he's done wrong. He's done plenty wrong, we all know that. My point is that the club should be set up for a Jose type manager to come in and thrive but it's not.

Jose Mourinho sacked by Man Utd is what the headline will say. But the underlying problems will still be here with an unambitious board, only doing the bare minimum to stay competitive within the top 6 and not to push us into that top spot.

Jose will lose his job and will deserve to lose his job. But there would be a few others on the chopping block if I had my way.


11.) 04 Oct 2018 19:53:22
I think if the club wanted him gone they probably have the ammo to do it now without too much of a backlash which would suggest it isn't their preferred outcome . The problem being each passing result is going to start causing a twitch in their trigger finger and once yr seriously contemplating it then it's hard to back him with things like forward planning if in the back of yr mind pulling the trigger is even a possibility and results are dictating it must be .
The man has a record to be proud of in football and if he goes he will point to the fact look what happens when I'm backed but on the flip side we all have eyes it duznt look like it's heading in the correct direction to many, and what constitutes being backed splits opinion.


12.) 04 Oct 2018 19:54:32
I don’t agree, I think only City have spent more. We have bought badly but there has been no lack of funds. This ‘poor Jose’ narrative is nonsense.


13.) 04 Oct 2018 22:34:13
Mumbles, good post, but I'm in agreement with Ajh. Mourinho was superb in his earlier years, but recently, he's been fractious and not as successful as people make out.
Titles in italy came when juve were not at their best and had some political stuff going on. At Madrid, he had a superb team handed to him, yet only won one title 11/ 12. During his last spell at Chelsea, he wom one title, then started the same rubbish we have currently at United and they were 3 points above relegation when they sacked him. Conte, won the league with the same team.
So he's always been second best to Guadiola, and massively underachieved at Madrid. His finest moment was winning the CL with Inter, yet that was done with backs to the wall approach which the Italians love to watch.
I honestly think he's lost the plot, this will be his last big job.


14.) 04 Oct 2018 23:16:47
I'm not going for the "poor jose" narrative. He's going to lose his job because we can't beat the weaker teams in the league, he's lost the dressing room and quite frankly doesn't seem like he wants to be here. My point is if we could go back and and swap Jose for Pep. City would have still won the league last year.

Our board aren't serious about challenging at the highest level. We pretend we are.


15.) 05 Oct 2018 00:16:54
What a great post Mumbles.


16.) 05 Oct 2018 08:44:09
If the Manager can inspire and motivate, and money is spent wisely, then there is no reason why we can’t conpete. Both those things are currently missing.


17.) 05 Oct 2018 10:45:33
if we would have gone for pep mumbles how would city have won the title.

they wouldn't have bought the players he has or play the brand of football they play.

the fact is jose has spent a shed load of money and has not improved the standard of football we are playing.

and its only going to get worse. by xmas we will be miles of the top 4 my guess is prob around 12 points and he will be a gonner.




give klopp or pep the job with this team and we would be well up there on all fronts.

the fact is jose is the problem. the players don't want to play for him his style is depressing.

and the fans are starting to voice this. enough is enough its time to change his way of doing things or get rid.


18.) 05 Oct 2018 17:13:12
Moneys been spent but its been scattergun. How many purchases have been what managers have wanted and how many have been down to Woodward trying to sign names to impress or push merchandise? Van Gaal was similarly hsmstrung. Which is why we need a director in.

{Ed002's Note - Woodward does not pick the players.}


19.) 05 Oct 2018 17:22:08
I think the rot set in last season when we went to Anfield and played for the draw. That for me was the turning point.


20.) 05 Oct 2018 19:51:56
None of us really know, Mort.


 

 

17 Sep 2018 16:55:34
Another tricky away fixture navigated well on the weekend. A game of two halves if there was ever one. Iv seen people complain about how Jose set up in the second half but I think he managed the game well. We were well deserved to be 2 up at half time and could have been more.

We maybe sat back a bit early in the second half but we had more than enough chances in the second half to finish it off, our forwards were just making poor decision's in the final third. It's not easy on the old ticker sitting back in the last few moments of a game but we thoroughly deserved a win.

On a side note Ed001, this site seems to die down when we win and when we lose its post after post. Does the traffic normally get heavier when a team loses? Even on the other sites?

Mumbles

{Ed001's Note - yes mate, people have more stuff to say when a team loses on all sites.}


1.) 17 Sep 2018 18:04:16
Mumbles, good post. Good game to be honest. I think a game limited to a bad batch of about 15 minutes. And that's a good Watford team, one who will cause many problems.

I think since our game against spurs we have been much more direct in our play. We are still prone to missing too many chances but I think that will change over time. In this team, it will also be nice to have rashford back in there as I believe he will thrive a lot more in a more potent attack.

Big mentions to fellaini and smalling, both had fantastic games.


2.) 17 Sep 2018 18:33:23
Agreed Angel. Our performances are scrutinised more than others. If we win ugly, it's "we play terrible football". If we win comfortably it's "it was only *insert team here*".

Games eb and flow and we need to more clinical and put games to bed earlier. I agree that we have been better going forward the last few games but make no bones about it, Jose isn't afraid to park the bus to ensure 3 points.

Last 24 game's we've scored first we've one them all.


3.) 17 Sep 2018 18:59:16
This is how far we have fallen - getting excited about beating the Watford whipping boys. We should be beating this relation fodder 5 nil at least, not scraping a lucky 2 - 1 win. Lukaku's goal was just lucky, coming of his guys and Smallings was just a fluke. Watford missed 8 easy chances and should have has 3 penalties.
We are Man It's, and I expect more. I want more. And I want it now.


4.) 17 Sep 2018 19:17:34
Haha betty, nail on the head.


5.) 17 Sep 2018 19:23:22
Betty. No team has any given right to be putting 5 past any team.

{Ed025's Note - i think bettys irony is lost on you RW mate.. :)


6.) 17 Sep 2018 19:55:59
Brilliant as ever Betty even with the odd (20ish) spelling mistakes, I think I got the general gist 😂.


7.) 17 Sep 2018 20:07:25
Of course I am being ironic - some may just call it sarcastic.
But Mumbles' second post was spot on - we are damned if we do and damned if we don't. It would be nice to see a little more appreciation to a good result and decent performance, but instead we just seem a o concentrate on being envious of Liverpool and City.


8.) 17 Sep 2018 20:29:24
Good post mumbles its becoming a habit👍
2 away wins pretty effective.
Ysome will say effective but not pretty.
Momentum is everything if we can win 4 more games in a row we will chip away at the gap.
Fellaini has done all asked of him in the last 2 games.
So has smalling he was our 1st choice cb all last season and he deserves ro be in the team.
Sanchez looking a bit lost not lacking effort but not looking very dangerous.
Ddg showing exactly what top class is.


9.) 17 Sep 2018 21:06:17
Awful isn't it GDS - quite embarrassed reading it back. I am sure auto correct changes things after it has been sent on my tablet - I certainly didn't sent with in saying Man It's instead of Man Utd.


10.) 17 Sep 2018 22:02:37
My bad Betty 😂.


11.) 18 Sep 2018 08:36:00
Betty, you might be trying to be funny but City beat them 6-0 at Vicarage Road last season.


12.) 18 Sep 2018 10:04:54
MancMan - Watford have also beaten Spurs there recently, and beat Chelsea 4-1 there earlier in the year. But neither of these results are any more or less relevant than the 6 - 0 City game.

Perhaps we should just concentrate on United rather than being a voyeur to City and Liverpool?


13.) 18 Sep 2018 12:57:46
Good point well made Betty.


14.) 18 Sep 2018 13:48:17
Sorry Betty and Ken but I don't agree. City, Chelsea and Liverpool are setting the standard right now so we should pay attention to how they are going about it.

There are two obvious differences between them and us. They all play high tempo, attacking football and they assert their game on the opposition rather than starting on the back foot with tactics designed to negate the threat of the opposition.

We should be doing the same rather than gazing at our own navel as you seem to be suggesting.


15.) 18 Sep 2018 15:45:25
Manc- I get where you are coming from and I would also like to see us playing a more attractive and attacking brand of football. But I want to see us doing that because it is our way of playing, not because other teams do it. Ultimately, most of us want the same thing and that is United playing well and winning. But I don't want us to be anyone else.
Of course what other teams do does matter, but I really do not care what other teams do. And when United do play well and win, a little recognition would help. Unfortunately, this thread started off by highlighting the fact that even our own fans have a strange refusal to acknowledge a decent result and performance.
My first reply may well have been ironic, or even sarcastic but in all honesty it is not too different to some genuine serious posts that are put up after we win games.
Like Mumbles said, if we don't play well but win, the football is awful. If we lose, the football is awful - irrespective of how we have actually played. And if we play well and win, its because it was 'only' Watford or Burnley etc. Hence the damned if we do and damned if we don't bit.


16.) 18 Sep 2018 16:48:33
Fantastic post Betty. Likewise mumbles, I enjoy reading your posts. Always balanced and well thought out.


17.) 18 Sep 2018 18:44:39
Manc man i agree that our football is not a great watch at the moment. I also agree its folly to ignore our opposition but that was not what betty posted.
You have given up going to games and that's your chioce. If its pure football entertainment you want buy a season ticket for city.
Even though i have issues with the manager some playing staff and the board i will still watch every game and go to as many as possible.
Everybody supports tje club in thier own way. I don't support them to be entertained all the time (although it would be nice) i support the club because its a way of life for me.
Ill often not particularly like certain players managers coaches or whatever but ill never not watch out of choice. But i respect your right to and your reasons for not going. I understand your frustrations. But ill always try to find fault with the opposition not glorify them the way some do. Yes i'm biased but show me a supporter who isn't.


18.) 18 Sep 2018 17:45:37
Mumbles, when we lose, i post as I'm annoyed, when we win, i post to say well done. So I'm not sure if people do the same.


19.) 18 Sep 2018 20:49:18
But we haven't had any good performances for a long time so how can anybody praise what doesn't exist. There have been some decent moments and some reasonable results but that's about it and that's been the case for about six years now. Six years!

So, I don't think it's fair to mock posters here who are thoroughly pigged off and don't see much to be positive about because even when we win it's a waste of time watching it and I strongly resent that there is so little joy to be had.

The most depressing part is that it didn't have to be this way. The club could have appointed a manager or managers who would entertain the fans and bring success. They still can. We could have been having the footballing time of our lives for the last six years like they are at City and are starting to have at Liverpool and now Chelsea.

I guess I'm just jealous because other teams are fun to watch and we are not. My City and Liverpool supporting friends are full of football joy and you can probably tell that I am not.

Betty/ Ken, I wish I could soldier on like you are doing but I feel like I'm being had for a mug. It's like the club are saying "we can serve the supporters up any old crap and they'll keep coming and spending their time and money so why should we bother giving them a decent product". It's an abuse of their position. If Old Trafford was half empty every week and it was made clear that it was because the football wasn't worth watching, you can be sure that they'd start putting on some football worth turning up for.

I also kind of resent supporters like yourselves who keep going week after week because that legitimises this rubbish and tells the club they can carry on regardless. I super resent being told that if I want entertainment I should go and watch City. For the money and time required to go to watch Utd we should expect entertainment at OT as well. I mean is this what it has come to? You're telling me that if I want to see an entertaining game of football I have to go and watch one of our main rivals? Have you heard yourself?

Of course, it's your right to do whatever you want but by accepting this mediocrity you make it much more unlikely we will see any improvement.

I've obviously gone off on one here so I'll finish by apologising if I have gone too far. I don't mean to offend anyone and I promise I haven't been drinking but I feel passionately about this.


20.) 18 Sep 2018 22:30:22
Manc, I sense you frastration mate! Look, I am not trying to convince anyone that our football is exciting. It has been boring and lacklustre all too often. I actually agree with a lot of what you say, I would just like to see a bit more of a balanced view on here some times (not you personally) that's all. Everyone has their own views and opinions, and you certainly shouldn't need the feel the need to apologise for voicing yours. I am not trying to change anyone's opinion - just wanting people to acknowledge the good as well as the bad.


21.) 18 Sep 2018 23:00:07
No need to apologise mancman.
I rezpect yiur views i know like me you are of a good age and remember all the lean years. Sexton and the boredom of it and liverpool winning year after year.
Its not great at the moment nobody disputes that.
You are totally entitled to support the club your way but you shouldn't resent the way others support the club.
There are lots of differing views on here. Some i agree with some i dont. Your no different mate.


22.) 19 Sep 2018 09:26:44
MancMan, you've hit the nail on the head. You are absolutely right in everything you say. I feel exactly the same. Even when we win, like we did at Watford, we played very well in the 1st half, then came out in the 2nd half and the words if our manager must have been, keep it tight, don't take and risks, make sure you win. Instead, the manager should be saying, go out there, play with energy and aggression, exploit any holes they'll be leaving behind amd let's score another goal to finish them. In the end, we had to thank ddg for making a world class save to secure the win. We will win NOTHING with that attitude. Its a coward's way of playing.
So like you, i don't see why we should celebrate a mediocre win over Watford. And like you, i look at City, Liverpool with envious and angry eyes, as we should have this type of football if the owners and the board had done their homework properly when Fergie retired.


23.) 19 Sep 2018 12:28:35
Why do the owners care. They're all about making the money and as long as that's coming in they're happy. They only got the cash out after a couple of years of underachievement risking the champions league money. Now the brakes are going on again.

{Ed002's Note - The club did do it's homework and had a plan thatw as ruined by the toxic fans - this has been done to death. The fans that did the damage are the ones that need to take the responsibility for derailing the very ggod plans that were in place.}


24.) 19 Sep 2018 15:04:27
Yes Ed002 we all know about the toxic fans; those despicable customers who dared to complain because they were being served a pile of doo dah every week for years. What were they thinking to expect something worthwhile for their hard earned time and money. So unreasonable of them.

Betty/ Ken, thanks for the feedback. I'm pleased I've not upsetting anyone, even when I feel I might be quite direct and abrasive. I disagree strongly with many on this site but it's fun to have a ding dong and I respect all the posters and their views.

{Ed002's Note - Good, so you and they should all be happy with the outcome they have now.}


25.) 19 Sep 2018 17:17:58
Absolutely Ed002, as I made clear in my long rant on this thread I'm in football Nirvana. Thanks MUFC for the thrills, spills and sheer edge of the seat entertainment we have received from your appointment of Moyes, LVG and now Jose. Thank goodness we missed out on the total attacking football Alegri would have brought, it would have made me so giddy I think I might have exploded.

{Ed002's Note - You biggest fear should be what happens if West Ham get to Big Sam before Manchester United. Alan Pardew would not be interested but Glenn Roeder is now available.}


 

 

12 Sep 2018 17:11:51
Ed002, do you think the Barcelona V Girona game will go ahead in miami? The only reason I'm asking here and not on the La Liga page, is if it does, I don't see the Premier League missing out on a cash cow like a few games abroad.

It doesn't sit with me right that a league game could be played in a neutral ground. That's the beauty of the league. There's no quams about the winners because technically there's no advantage.

Is this something the Premier League is seriously considering?

Mumbles

{Ed002's Note - I think it unlikely that the Girona - Barcelona will happen in Miami and the Spanish Football Federation are not taking kindly to their not being involved in discussions or negotiations before the clubs asking for approval. Ex-Hamilton Academicals player Luis Rubiales is vehemently against it and has clashed publically with La Liga over their already having agreed and signing a contract to allow it to happen.

In terms of the Premier League, the idea of an additional round of games - the 39th game, being played outside of England has been on and off thge cards for getting on for 15 years. Richard Scudamore has always advocated it but the Premier League clubs would need to vote and there has been a sufficient backlash from clubs that means it would never get through on the 70% rule - although the PL are slowly shifting toward a simple majority rule now.

It has been suggested that it could stop an eventual Pan European Breakaway but that would not be the case - it doesn't even enter in to considerations for those 21 clubs discussing that. Of the Premier League clubs who have given support to it in the past, I doubt any would do so now without understanding a great deal more about any proposals. The English PFA were against it, but would not have consulted the players in making that decision. FIFA were always against it under Blatter but Infantino is compelled by the thought of opening the game up further. There are plans to expanded the International Champions Cup and FIFA want to really get involved but the clubs are far from convinced. UEFA are desparate to stop the breakaway hence the alternatives being offered and new ideas that keep coming up. Much of the problem will remain unresolved without the support of the "elite" sides who remain intent on doing whatever they deem to be best for themselves.

There was an option on the table for leagues to agree to play a pre-season game elsewhere and there was support for that from many of the leagues - but the English Premier League had already struck a deal which meant the English would have to be played in Asia and a lot of clubs were sponsored by companies who would have objected.}


1.) 12 Sep 2018 20:48:25
Great stuff ed002. Thanks a million. You've been talking about the pan-European league now for awhile, youve a better success rate than Nostramdus for predictions. This break away league doesn't sit well with me at all.

You always said that the league would have to break away from Uefa and Fifa and players would be banned from internationals. With what seems to be the slow death of international football, I don't she that as a big enough threat to stop players breaking away.

For arguments sake, let's say the breakaway league starts tomorrow? Would the teams involved run the league like a co-op, or would the whole thing be owned by a private investor?

Would the fans really want to see a breakaway league?

{Ed002's Note - It would require a new league to be formed and FIFA would use the threat of excluding players from International competition for their countries. UEFA is in a different position as it is potentially crippling for them - hence the alternate approaches being encouraged, the discussions with the “Elite” group and attempts to expand the Champions League. The clubs plan to run the league themselves and would vote in a management and administration collective to deal with issues all leagues need to face. Many fans would be supportive of such a league and would like to see games involving the higher profile clubs on a regular basis.}


2.) 12 Sep 2018 21:51:05
Fair play Mumbles, very articulated questions and Ed your answers make us all understand what could be a complex situation. I for one wouldn’t like a breakaway, there is something beautiful about going to Huddersfield away and being drawn against Yeovil in the cup. Do you still see the pan European breakaway happening and if so what timescale are we looking at Ed? Thanks.

{Ed002's Note - The clubs discussed some specifics a couple of weeks ago when they met, but there was no lengthy discussion due to other issues clogging up the agenda. In terms of timescales, I think later rather than sooner. There remains only three sides that want to push for an early move.}


3.) 12 Sep 2018 22:06:54
Any chance of a list of teams that attend these meetings? Is it a fixed list or are all the big European teams that don't have a seat at the table trying to get one?

{Ed002's Note - It is a fixed group, there is no plan to change it at this time.}


4.) 13 Sep 2018 01:42:39
If the premier league want a game in the USA or somewhere, I don’t get why they don’t just take the community shield game over there. In fairness we over here really don’t care about it anyway, so why not take a “cup final” over there.?

{Ed001's Note - probably because they have to make Wembley profitable. The Spanish equivalent, their Super Cup, was played abroad this year.}


5.) 13 Sep 2018 01:26:25
Wouldn't away support be a problem after the novelty had worn off after a season or so? Having to travel to Spain, Italy, Germany etc every other week, flights, getting accommodation, probably having to take Mondays off if your games on a Sunday, it would get bloody pricy doing that regularly!

{Ed002's Note - That is a very insular view. England is in real terms a very small country and supporters in may other countries mange perfectly well when following their teams. For most Manchester United supporters they live with both Heathrow and Gatwick on the doorstep with plentiful cheap flights available to most of the destinations involved. For you and I we could ride the rails to Exeter and then jump a flight to Spain, Portugal and France as easily as Newcastle or indeed Manchester. The pleasure of an Exeter to Bergerac flight, catching a game at the rather unusual new Girondins de Bordeaux stadium, a nice meal and a bottle of red back in Bergerac before an easy flight home seems way more attactive than say a visit to Manchester.}


6.) 13 Sep 2018 10:40:33
Like a nice bottle of Vin Rouge then Ed?

{Ed002's Note - Rarely.}


7.) 14 Sep 2018 10:50:22
I'd rather go to old Trafford in the rain or snow. I'd actually rather go to Millwall than go to those destinations with the prawn sandwich brigade.
I'd get more enjoyment watching a good game of football down my local park.

{Ed002's Note - That is fine - there are plenty of others who would no doubt be interesting in supporting the club if you feel unable to do so because of the sandwiches.}


 

 

 

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19 Oct 2018 16:06:12
Lukaku is fine striker but right now he isn't an elite striker. He misses far too many "easy" chances per game. He could become one day, but right now he isn't good enough to move to a club in a better position than United.

Ed002, I'd hazard a guess that the team he would like to eventually join would be Bayern? I couldn't see him in a Madrid or Barcelona jersey. There are a few more teams who right now are more primed to win trophies than us, but if he wants to get his move "up", he has to be scoring 35/ 40 goals a season.

Mumbles

{Ed002's Note - I have no idea where he would like to eventually move to. For some reason everyone is making a big issue about him answering a question in an interview. I am not aware of his looking to leave and the previous discussion of his wanting to move on from Everton to advance his career. He was never going to be allowed to rejoin Chelsea but he got his move to Manchester United and is struggling a little right now for goals but that won't last long.}


 

 

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05 Oct 2018 23:00:56
If this is true it just shows how out of touch the board are with the fans and the ethos of the club. Sack him today and no one bats an eyelid. How can they let Jose manage the team tomorrow knowing that he's gone regardless of the result. There's certain ways to do things.

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21 Jul 2018 18:42:22
So excuses for everyone else but we couldn't possibly get any better?

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21 Jul 2018 16:29:12
That's surprising that the club won't see a swap as an option. It clearly worked out well when we traded Mkhitaryan and Sanchez.

With the way the prices for players is increasing exponentially, I would have thought player plus cash deals would become more common.

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18 Jul 2018 19:53:35
Do you honestly think we're going to lose money selling Pogba? Even with the way the market has inflated over the last two years since we've bought him. The lad has just had a brilliant world cup which he was an integral part of why they won it and you're suggesting we sell him off cheap so we can buy SMS for the same price?

I get that it's just an excerise to show how we can recycle the team and get us back to the top, but it's a tad silly.

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19 Oct 2018 23:19:46
Fans isn't a word I'd use to describe those persons Scholes.

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16 Oct 2018 10:19:09
I don't think you would have to look hard to find a valid reason to object to their potential ownership.

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04 Oct 2018 23:16:47
I'm not going for the "poor jose" narrative. He's going to lose his job because we can't beat the weaker teams in the league, he's lost the dressing room and quite frankly doesn't seem like he wants to be here. My point is if we could go back and and swap Jose for Pep. City would have still won the league last year.

Our board aren't serious about challenging at the highest level. We pretend we are.

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04 Oct 2018 19:15:15
AJH. He picks fights at all his clubs. Maybe that's why he prefers a team littered with senior pros, he knows a bit of tough love isn't going to see them clamp up.

I'm not absolving him of what he's done wrong. He's done plenty wrong, we all know that. My point is that the club should be set up for a Jose type manager to come in and thrive but it's not.

Jose Mourinho sacked by Man Utd is what the headline will say. But the underlying problems will still be here with an unambitious board, only doing the bare minimum to stay competitive within the top 6 and not to push us into that top spot.

Jose will lose his job and will deserve to lose his job. But there would be a few others on the chopping block if I had my way.

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30 Sep 2018 17:30:48
Amazing post Redman.

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