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22 Dec 2017 15:32:49
Seasons greetings ed's. Props for the work you all put in through the year. I was wandering about gocalo guedes, watched him few times this season he seems like a fine player, is the so called interest from man u something we can be hopeful for?
{Ed002's Note - Nope.}
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08 Nov 2017 09:11:43
I mentioned to couple of friends about two months ago how pogba is united's best player, and I got a lot if stick. Saying uniteds good performances (at that time) was a team effort. Right now it should be obvious how much united misses him. Since he left I've enjoyed few of out games. I hope he comes back soon he's the missing link between midfield and attack we're clearly missing.
1.) 08 Nov 2017 09:33:59
He probably is our best player but he hasn't turned up a lot during his time here. Pogba is currently benefiting from our fixtures being harder since he got injured, a dip in confidence and the usual thing us Utd fans do and praise the people that aren't playing because those that are playing aren't doing much special. Grass is always greener.
We do it every season because we have to try and put a rational spin on why we aren't performing as well as we should be.
If Pogba had been playing and Matic missing with the same types of performances it would be Matic we are missing, or Lukaku etc. Pogba was playing better this season, but he wasn't playing great. He probably is our most important player because he has that X factor we lack all over the pitch. Martial and Rashford bring it occasionally, Miki and Mata even less often than those two - but the rest are all steady Eddie's.
2.) 08 Nov 2017 14:02:53
I'm seeing in the news that he would be available after international break. I think everybody should forget his last season form and hopefully We'll an improvement in our midfield and overall gameplay in our next fixture.
I love ander but playing him with matic doesn't seem to be working out. They're both defensively minded and most times cannot create a good link to the attack.
3.) 08 Nov 2017 14:33:55
I think it would be a mistake and unfair to think that our form might return when Pogba is back in the team. He will help but confidence looks low in some players.
4.) 08 Nov 2017 19:57:30
Pogba would be a loss to any team and the sooner he is back the better. him and Matic have played a handful of games and look a great pairing in the making when we get Pogba Zlatan and Rojo back soon we will see how good we really are could go on a great run.
5.) 08 Nov 2017 23:14:37
Would be great to have him back to give us that something different as we've looked seriously flat of late, but for me he needs to start showing he can cut it in the big games against the top teams. Yet to do so in my view. Like several others he's looked the part in the easier games but gone missing in the tough ones.
18 Sep 2017 07:21:22
In my opinion, this was rashford's worst performance ever for us.
He really needs to improve his decision making, and concentrate more on creating than turning to his right and having a shot.
{Ed025's Note - thats very harsh if you ask me red one, hes a young lad who is very much still learning his trade and so you will always have peaks and troughs, jose done the right thing in bringing him off as he was not on the money yesterday but next week he could well score a hattrick, he can be a special talent but to heap pressure on him to perform every game is unfair imo mate..
1.) 18 Sep 2017 09:28:13
Good reply ed025 and great to see you on this page.
I made the point yesterday that both rash and martial have done better coming off the bench. The game is more disjointed and they can make the most of the space afforded to them after the game is broken up. Both are inexperienced and don't yet have the nous and know how to create space when the game is still congested and the opposition still have 10 behind the ball. It will come for them as they gain experience.
Ed 025 whay don you make of everton. As a new team they have had a tough ruin of fixtures i expect some big improvements over the next 6 games. No goal scorer is going to be a problem. It will be interesting how koeman handles rooney i think he is a liability despite the odd moment of class. Hope to see things improve soon for everton and good to see you back on the page i think most of us would like to hear more from you mate. Always appreciate the honesty and unbiased opinion.
Cheers.
{Ed025's Note - i cant tell you how highly i rate rashford ken, for me he is one of the best young talents i have ever seen and he seems to be a well grounded young man as well which endears me to him even more, i dont think him getting stick off his own supporters for a poor performance helps though, on everton we are really looking off the pace at the moment, we played half decent yesterday but you cant make errors like we did and hope to gain anything against sides like utd, we have not gelled as we would have liked and not having a recognized CF is hurting us big time, wayne is having too much influence for me and everything it seems has to go through him, he gave the ball away a lot yesterday and should have been replaced a lot earlier, i dont think we are relegation material just yet but we do need to get our act together, koeman also needs to be more positive and play the likes of lookman more as hes one of the very few we have with pace mate..
2.) 18 Sep 2017 09:47:06
Rashford was infuriating yesterday for me. Everyone has off days, but it's only fair to call them out as most of us are full of praise when he has on days. I think Rooney actually played better for us yesterday than Rashford did.
He looked unbothered, lazy and as a result his end product and basic skills were left wanting. I've seen him a fair bit on TV recently giving interviews and this may be a contributing factor. I don't know the kid, but my advice would be to ignore the hype, focus on your basic game and get back to doing the things you did to get you in this position.
It was one stand out bad game so no need to go overboard of course. But it is best to nip it in the bud now as these things have a habit of becoming trends especially with young kids, the media will knock them down just as quick as they build them up and at a young age it may be difficult to handle criticism, just like it seems he is struggling how to handle praise. Bad passes, control, finishing all happen, lack of desire is a symptom of something more troubling. We shouldn't jump to any "Rash" conclusions, but it's fair to criticise just as much as it is fair to praise.
{Ed025's Note - not for me beast, its easy to destroy a young lads confidence so give the guy a break i say mate..
3.) 18 Sep 2017 09:52:27
Agreed Ed25, people expect the lad to perform every time. He's 19, for his age he's already streets ahead of a lot of players in the league.
{Ed025's Note - exactly mate..
4.) 18 Sep 2017 10:03:11
Well said Ed 25 and Ken.
5.) 18 Sep 2017 10:03:44
Yes i agree ed think you guys will be fine.
Rash is good and his character appears to be good. England have some great young strikers in solanke abraham lookman calvert-lew and rash. I think rash is head n shoulders above the rest in 2 years he will be 21 and will be a real force.
{Ed025's Note - i expect him to be englands CF for many years ken..
6.) 18 Sep 2017 10:12:21
Ed
I think everton have a me very important players missing through injuries. Coleman, bolasie are an entire wing together. I think things will improve once they're back.
{Ed025's Note - i hope so IMBS but we look poor at the moment, i expect us to improve though mate..
7.) 18 Sep 2017 10:50:25
I get your point ed025 and don't get me wrong I'm a huge supporter of rashford, but the lad has so much potential and I would like to see him amongst the greats one day, but I watch players like mbappe and acensio and I want to see rashford put those caliber of performances on a weekly basis, he doesn't have to score a hat trick but at the very least be productive in a match.
I might be being harsh but it's tough love.
{Ed025's Note - not too tough though mate..
8.) 18 Sep 2017 11:02:46
We are too soft on young people. Ultimately not many people (maybe Shan) are raging on Rashford, bad games happen and should be pointed out. We aren't managing him so frankly we can say what we want on here without ramifications for Rashford.
If you are old enough to play for Man Utd and to be paid a fortune for doing so, then you should be subject to criticism. People mature at different times. It's nothing to get overboard about, but we have to call a spade a spade, same rules that apply to Miki, Jones, Shaw should apply to Rashford. I'm pretty confident none of us know Rashford too well, maybe a boot up the backside would suit him better than an arm around the shoulder - that said a quiet word would suffice after yesterdays awful display imo. But if you can take the positives then you should be able to take the negatives - mans game!
For the record I do not think he will be leading the line for Utd in years to come. Lukaku will until he is replaced by a more "glitzy" signing in a few years time. I haven't seen too much improvement in Rashford since he first blasted onto the scene which is a bit concerning for me personally.
9.) 18 Sep 2017 12:13:59
Totally agree with that Beast. that's sort of my whole bloody point with Rashford. Everybody knows the talent he possesses but if its not being put to use, what's the point of it. Look at Jesus, Asensio, Mbappe. Rashford's name should be taken among them but isnt. Why? Obviously something's amiss. Yesterday he looked uninterested. Not running. At one point he was standing on the ball and i thought ref had blown the whistle so he must be waiting. It is infuriating when you know that he has the potential but isn't delivering. his decision making is poor for a footballer plying his trade with Manchester United. He seems selfish and always looking to strike even though there is a wall of 4 defenders right in front of you. Pass it for god sakes.
Yes he is 19, but he has been a first team regular now for 2 full seasons and barring a handful of games, i haven't seen the best of him. Does he do enough to replace Lukaku at United? No. Does he do enough to replace Kane with England? No. Where does that leave him? He isn't a striker because he doesn't have that striker's instinct and that doesn't come with age. Its natural. Roonet at 19, Owen at 19 were destroying defences left right and centre and Rash is not.
Its ok if you are atleast trying to make things happen but they aren't coming off, but to be uninterested is a bad omen for him. I bet he has the fear of Martial. Martial is playing better football than Rashford and i see him a regular in the team before Rashford.
10.) 18 Sep 2017 13:21:36
Its amazing how people see things differently Shan everything you scream about rash in terms of movement off the ball, effort, demeanour i scream the same for martial. I think rash looks like he is trying twice as hard as martial.
The main difference is that kane and jesus are playing 90 mins every week in their preferred position.
I understsnd where your coming from and your opinion you are neither right nor wrong i suppose it's just your genuine opinion and your entitled to it.
You loved rooney right up to the end where he started to grate on me 4 years ago people just see things in different ways.
Voicing your opinion on here never constitutes hate or abuse on here as much as some people try to make it seem that way. Keep voicing your opinion just like beast does. We won't always agree on everything but i enjoy reading all opinions.
11.) 18 Sep 2017 14:05:58
Lol an opinion is great everyone has them some are valid some a nonsense .
A bit of banter a bit of a discussion
The problem is that people start to draw a line in the sand it gets to the point that its quite obvious that some fans on here start to want a player to have a poor game are pleased when he does . It justifys there negativity.
12.) 18 Sep 2017 14:27:24
I would be surprised if anybody wanted a united player to have bad game just so they can say I told you so, imo you would need to be of that mind-set to even think that, only a sort of bitter twisted little man could even think like that.
13.) 18 Sep 2017 14:54:59
Ken
Lol it's been pretty obvious for a few seasons .
14.) 18 Sep 2017 15:32:38
Never noticed anybody pleaded that someone played badly as i say perhaps you have to be of that mind- set.
15.) 18 Sep 2017 16:00:42
Lol really Ken, for a few of yous it shines thro .
16.) 18 Sep 2017 18:44:41
Reading eds thoughts on Rooney in the Everton team sounds like myself for the past 4 or so years at United 😃. Glad I don't have to feel like that about him any more to be honest. Happier to remember the good times now that he isn't infuriating me and being detrimental to the team.
Rashford could become a great player, just chill and accept that he'll be great sometimes and not so at other times for the next few years. Martial is the same for me but I'll give them some time as they could both be great for us in the years ahead. Both still young and learning.
17.) 18 Sep 2017 19:07:05
Your wrong. Never want anyone to play badly. Ill say if they play well or badly. That's a weird mentality you have to think that.
You made 4 separate posts yesterday including live chat on valencia goal being better than youngs cross or words to that affect. I don't think from that you don't want young to do well but that you enjoyed valencias response to a good young performance. If you think any poster thinks like that i think you are sadly mistaken and a little sad really. That's just weird.
18.) 18 Sep 2017 18:35:35
Get a room boys this flirting is getting silly😂😂.
13 Dec 2015 12:01:16
am I the only one it pisses off when LVG sits down on his arrogant a** while the team clearly needs some kind motivation, it dosnt matter who you are or what you have achieved, SAF has thrice the amount of trophies he has but he stood up and made sure the lads heard his voice
For me LVG out, its not the players its the coach.
1.) 13 Dec 2015 12:23:59
I could not agree more.
Yesterday with more than half the team filled with kids, where was the direction, motivation from the sideline, the main man, the one the youngsters could look to, could impress, sat down with his notes, wtf!
I do not want to be negative against our manager, I want to support him, I want to be able to back him but surely he has to give something back in the way of emotion, after all being a football supporter is all about emotions?
2.) 13 Dec 2015 12:31:48
To be honest I think those days are gone. Players have far to much power to be frightened by a man shouting on the sidelines. Half the time the players can't hear your instuctions, or don't fully understand them as the language your shouting in isn't their first language. The only person who will fully hear your instuctions is the opposing manager, who is probably the last man in the stadium you want knowing your tactical plans.
Football has moved on, the only people who benefit from a manager showing some passion on tbe side lines is the fans. Its for show, but isn't all that effective.
People remember Sir Alex doing it, but if you remember he did it less and less as time wore on. Even he admits you can't manage a team through fear anymore.
So what advantage is it for a manager to stand on the sidelines jumping up and down shouting like a lunitic on day release?
3.) 13 Dec 2015 12:36:57
giggs was always on the line during his 4 games in charge.
4.) 13 Dec 2015 12:52:40
Shappy - But why do you see top managers standing up giving instructions most games then? LVG could be a cardboard cut out, with Woody moving strings for his penmanship!
The only other ones that is static is Hodgson, although even he gets up when things aren't going swimmingly.
Nobody expects to see a lunatic, just a bit of passion and support. Especially when we have a team underperforming and clearly lacking confidence.
LVG says he has done all he can to equip the players with what they need to produce during a game. Well that is rubbish, because half the players on the pitch have barely played for the team and there is work to do, especially when we are struggling. I bet he is none-stop during training sessions, so why amend that during games when it really matters?
5.) 13 Dec 2015 13:06:31
Shappy come on mate seeing the manager on the lines is the first thing any fan wants to see. It portrays passion to the fans which oozes out to the masses and helps create a great atmosphere.
At the end of the day if shouting like a lunatic on the touch line inspires even the slightest little bit of motivation in even one player on the pitch then it sure as hell is better than spending your time in the dugout studying your wine list.
6.) 13 Dec 2015 13:09:20
Agree beast it's ok saying we have done all the work on the training ground. But what happens when that goes out the window like say u go a goal down after 3 mins surely the tactics have to change. or if someone is having a bad game or struggling. I'm sorry but that's what I thought a manager did was manage. If that's his attitude why does he even bother turning up on match days if he's done all he can on training pitch. I am starting to hate the man we all fail but to have he's arrogance is unbelievable on the back of a good season with Ajax 2 decades ago.
7.) 13 Dec 2015 14:45:38
So the consesus is the only real benefit is it makes us fans feel happier if our manager dances for us on the sidelines.
Not all managers do it and most only do it when a player/s aren't following the game plan.
To be honest if a player hasn't gottem the jist of the tactics in the weeks worth of planning before a match then I doubt the half heard shouts of a man potentially 50ft away during which time your concentrating on a game is going to make the difference.
I think for the most part, LvG is right in his assessment that going up to the side lines to shout at players has very little effect on the pitch.
But I concede it has an effect in the stands, the issue though it the game is won on the pitch and not in the stands.
The question is do you really think if LvG had stood on the touchline over the last 18 months shouting at the players that we would have got more points and had won some silverware?
Is the reaseon we are out the UCL and the league cup due to LvG sitting down during the match?
The answer is a resounding no. Your just looking for another reason to not like the manager. And to be honest it comes across a little silly.
8.) 13 Dec 2015 15:02:49
That isn't the consensus at all Shappy.
Young players need support and advice as the game unfolds. Players uncomfortable with the philosophy or situations need support from the sideline, managers manage, coaches coach.
Virtually every successful manager spends more time off their backside than on it during a game - especially if things aren't working. As Jaime says what is the point of LVG even sitting their if it isn't to manage situations, he would be better off in the stand getting a better picture of the game?
I have no idea if LVG or Giggs assisting players from the side-line would help them, but clearly doing sweet FA is not!
My question to you is, do you think what is currently happening is helping?
9.) 13 Dec 2015 14:59:35
lvg
would go mad on the bench at times .
i can remember him doing some kind of flying kick a munich .
maybe the doctor told him to calm down.
10.) 13 Dec 2015 15:13:00
I'm listening to the commentary on the Arsenal game here in the US and Le Saux is saying how the manager can and should try to tweak the team from the sideline when they can see things are out of kilter. Players don't always know what's wrong. Besides which, I think a manager can demonstrate some passion which, if nothing else, the fans need to see sometimes. In football passion often trumps philosophy.
11.) 13 Dec 2015 15:22:12
Shawthing - I agree and Arsenal are winning comfortably.
Maybe LVG isn't confident enough with his English. He has precise ideas, listening to him talk he is still not very good at articulating himself and shouting it in a nigh pressure environment may cause confusion? Surely if that is the case though, then Giggs should be doing it. Just trying to think why LVG would just sit like he is in some sort of trance all game, with the odd twitch to scrawl.
12.) 13 Dec 2015 15:49:46
Beast, there's plenty managers whose English isn't that good but they get up and show for their team. It's all very well to say you prepare before the game and then it's up to the players to execute the plan. What if they're failing? What if they're a bunch of kids who may not have studied philosophy at college yet? And, of course, as you say, he could tell Giggs to get up there and do it. No, I think it's down to his stubbornness. If there's a small adjustment needed why wait until half time or after the end of the match when it may be too late.
Classic example was during the Arsenal match. Santi Cazorla sat on the ball deep just waiting for Schweinsteiger to come rushing forward. He did it twice and then we got picked apart. After the first time a manger on the sideline would have had the opportunity to advise Scweinsteiger to stay in his position.
13.) 13 Dec 2015 15:51:41
I noticed Eddie Howe off his arse and sorting his defense out after Fellaini scored. Called Francis and Smith over, gave them some instructions and we never saw that ball over the right back again. Perfect example.
If LVG came to the sideline and just spoke a couple of words it must do some good surely? I used to play better when wound up. I felt I had something to prove and let's face it. every player in that team has something to prove at the moment.
14.) 13 Dec 2015 15:53:32
Managing the situation isn't about shouting at people. If that is your impression of what a manager should do then I can only concede you have had poor managers.
If something isn't right the first thing I'd want to do is work out why and if there is something within my control to change it. To do so I'd look to confide in people who I trust to see how they see the situation and work with them to come up with a solution.
Hey maybe that is what LvG is doing when you see him regulary chatting with his assistants.
Very few games are won from the sidelines. Most are won out on the pitch based on what players learned on the training ground and in team talks before hand.
Remember its a team game, and unless you can talk to the whole team then your unlikely to make a real telling difference. Unless it is just one player making a mistake.
Other than to excite fans and placate us I see very little benefit to standing on the sidelines. Its marginal gains at best.
Beast, nice defection with my question by the way. But how can you debate the effect of a manager shouting on the sidelines if you yourself have said you have no idea if it would make a difference?
15.) 13 Dec 2015 16:06:28
Name me one top manager who sits in his seat all game? I know I'm setting myself up here, and someone will think of one, but when I think of the likes of Jose, Klopp, Ancelotti, Simeone, Wenger - all of them get up to give out instructions when needed.
Players, by and large, aren't overly bright. They're not mindreaders. If somethings going wrong, get up and sort it out then and there, rather than wait til half-time or the next training session.
16.) 13 Dec 2015 16:18:25
Shappy, have you just come off a course on Imago therapy or something?
17.) 13 Dec 2015 16:20:53
I know that the vast majority of managers do it, so are they wrong and you/LVG correct? Are they all wasting their time?
I know that I would try it if I hadn't been and the performances were poor. I would certainly be doing it if I have a bunch of inexperienced kids playing and no real leaders on the pitch.
We don't know what is said behind closed doors, but I do know that many teams reflect their manager. Our performances look devoid of ideas, passionless and most worryingly of all scared! The only thing is the players can't hide come match day like the manager does. I would give a lot of money to see that notepad.
Our manager should be doing everything he can to motivate the players and the fans. It's often said the fans can be the 12th man, so even if your theory is correct that it makes no real difference, then at least having the fans more enthused can be felt by the players (or does that not matter either? )
In any case I couldn't disagree more with you. The manager needs to be managing situations, not simply analysing the whole event once it is no longer susceptible to chance. He is too arrogant for his own good.
18.) 13 Dec 2015 16:22:57
Noucamp - even if these is another manager so what mate, your point is correct? What he is doing now does not work and it's irking us and not helping the team. He is the one person that can affect the game from the side and he chooses to do nothing. One of the many reasons I can't stand him.
19.) 13 Dec 2015 17:19:03
When you teach a team to play like a bunch of robots, you can sit your ass on the bench and just use your joystick for instructions.
20.) 13 Dec 2015 17:44:32
Everyone manages in their own way, there is no right or wrong way. But a lot of what we do we learn from our teachers, and we imitate.
Just as many if not many more poor managers jump up amlnd down and shout on the sidelines.
Big Sam does it, Moyes does it, Holloway is a monster at it.
Yet it makes little to no difference to the performance of their team.
Odd that, when it appears to be a fact that doing so will win you a game.
21.) 13 Dec 2015 18:00:20
You crack me up Shappy, picking 3 old school coaches to try and make a point! How about all the successful managers that do it, you know the ones (basically any one worth talking about) .
Everyone has their faults, LVG just has more than most and does himself no favours by failing to assist a struggling team who look like they need more guidance than ever!
19 Oct 2013 16:54:44
All the players on the pitch played absolutly putrid football no exceptions. The coach made the wrong changes at the wrong time as usual. MOYES HAS TO GO!
1.) DM can't go because he's not even here. He's a ghost of a manager. He's not United quality and we will play for giving h more than a year on his contract.
2.) Agreed.
all the players were looking tired, and training method bust up is surfacing now.
# moyes out.
# giggs Out
05 Oct 2013 18:52:48
Januzaj is definetly my player of the week
29 Apr 2015 15:49:40
a club bieng psg
08 Nov 2017 14:02:53
I'm seeing in the news that he would be available after international break. I think everybody should forget his last season form and hopefully We'll an improvement in our midfield and overall gameplay in our next fixture.
I love ander but playing him with matic doesn't seem to be working out. They're both defensively minded and most times cannot create a good link to the attack.
18 Sep 2017 10:50:25
I get your point ed025 and don't get me wrong I'm a huge supporter of rashford, but the lad has so much potential and I would like to see him amongst the greats one day, but I watch players like mbappe and acensio and I want to see rashford put those caliber of performances on a weekly basis, he doesn't have to score a hat trick but at the very least be productive in a match.
I might be being harsh but it's tough love.
{Ed025's Note - not too tough though mate..
11 Oct 2015 09:18:01
I need opinions been having this argument for a while. Who is better Herrera or Rakitic
If moyes can bring barkley to our squad he might as well end the season