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20 Jan 2018 22:55:45
Ryan Sessegnon seems to get better and better. Massive talent at his age. With us badly needing a decent LB, just wondered ED002 If United are keeping tabs on him? Have we any interest at all? Thanks.

Stand-United

{Ed002's Note - No.}


1.) 21 Jan 2018 00:53:06
Shame. Think he’ll go right to the top of the game.

{Ed007's Note - And wishing he was Kieran Tierney....


2.) 21 Jan 2018 07:18:06
We have a decent left back, his name is Luke Shaw.


3.) 21 Jan 2018 08:45:12
And oh how reliable he’s proven to be over the last 3/ 4 years. He needs proper competition, it’s a weak area in our side.


4.) 21 Jan 2018 10:24:37
If We keep the Shaw we have seen the way 4/ 5 matches we have a player on our hands. Remains to be seen. Don’t see what’s wrong with keeping Darmian to fill in on both sides as and when (unless he wants to leave to play regular football) . Don’t forget Young has been excellent too this season. If TFM comes back next season he can provide good cover at right back.

Midfield is where we need some serious re-inforcements now we have Sanchez coming.


5.) 21 Jan 2018 11:43:27
Eric,

Because it’s all about shiny new signings mate, forget the dead wood we already have, they are all useless.


6.) 21 Jan 2018 13:09:04
Keeping Darmian means blocking the chance of any comptetent right sided full back. That is to say stopping us getting a full back that can defend, attack at pace, can put in a good cross and who might chip in with the odd goal.


7.) 21 Jan 2018 13:05:13
I haven't seen enough of Ryan, but from what I've heard he will soon be at a top club in the PL. On the other hand I've watched Tierney on a couple of occasions and I think we should go for him. Young could be cover for Valencia and Shaw and Tierney can battle for the LB.


8.) 21 Jan 2018 13:22:40
Ryan looks a very good player could and might play a bit further forward in the future.


9.) 21 Jan 2018 14:01:53
Let's remember also that if rojo is good enough to play left back for Argentina in a world cup final then he ie certainly good enough to play left back for us.


10.) 21 Jan 2018 14:41:59
No he'S not.


11.) 21 Jan 2018 14:43:37
Argentina’s left options must be dire then because Rojo is shocking at left back not having a dig at him because I think he’s a very good centre back but left he is terrible.


12.) 21 Jan 2018 15:42:26
I dnt think he'll be a left back for much longer in his career! He's basically a LWB right now at Fulham. Wouldn't surprise me if he ends being a LW in his prime years!


13.) 21 Jan 2018 16:11:43
Worth
I agree, may move forward like bale did.


14.) 21 Jan 2018 22:43:12
Competent right beck BFB? Darmian plays for Italy. The mastersof defending.


15.) 24 Jan 2018 17:35:08
Worst italy team for 80 years.


 

 

15 Jan 2018 16:00:57
Ed002, sorry to bother, just wondered if there was any update with regards to Sanchez. With Wengers saying it could be done in 24/ 48 hours is there any progress ether way? Where do you see his most likely destination? Thanks in advance.

Stand-United

{Ed002's Note - I cannot answer "most likely" questions sensibly. Wenger ill likely be right that it will be completed soon - perhaps in the next couple of days but there is no agreement just yet.}


1.) 15 Jan 2018 16:05:19
Twitchy bum time, we'll just have to wait and see.


2.) 15 Jan 2018 16:09:48
No probs ed, cheers.


3.) 15 Jan 2018 16:15:06
Notice that it says will be completed but not where he will complete to. I still struggle to believe he will be a Utd player with it seeming so nailed on for city for so long.


 

 

08 Aug 2017 20:46:54
Will that be the end of the Bale rumours?

Stand-United

1.) 08 Aug 2017 22:31:19
Does that actually change anything if they only wanted to sell him if they get Mbappe?
Would he have been playing if Ronaldo was fit?


2.) 09 Aug 2017 05:55:54
Hopefully.


3.) 09 Aug 2017 07:00:11
Would Isco not be available if Mbappe comes in AND Bale stays?


4.) 09 Aug 2017 07:25:48
Allen. Did u watch bale last night? You don't think he would be a big upgrade on anyone in our team then? He would be our best player and give us a whole new dimension.


5.) 09 Aug 2017 09:04:35
But if he doesn't want to come then its pointless chasing after him.


6.) 09 Aug 2017 10:07:53
Mort, exactly, hence the OP.


7.) 09 Aug 2017 10:30:01
dont clubs usually ask the agent if his player would be willing to join and I'd imagine if we got told he (bale) has no desire to join us then we just wouldn't pursue him so if we are interested like the eds have said we are then we must have been encouraged to carry on pursuing.

I've no idea if this makes any sense my heads a shed from just writing it 😀.


8.) 09 Aug 2017 11:03:37
I think i know what you mean dave :-)


9.) 09 Aug 2017 11:10:57
And bales agent has always said that his client is going nowhere. Wd bale improve our team. probably. but not at a cost of 90m.
Despite being 32 cr7 is valued 40m more than when we sold him in his prime. Bale despite being only 28 is valued the same as he was 4 years ago, this in an era when transfer fees are rocketing. Why has bales value not risen? 3 reasons imo. injury record, the loss of that extreme pace that made him so devastating previously and the fact that RM would happily cash in on him if he could be persuaded to leave so that they could buy mbappe.
Good player yes but not worth 90m or so with his injury record.
Would prefer isco all day long as I suspect RM will when la liga kicks off.


10.) 09 Aug 2017 11:56:55
I watched the game and he did very little can see why he might be available. He is no where as influential in that Madrid team as the other guys (modric, isco, kroos, Ronaldo, benzema) and for me influences the game very little. For 90 million I would rather spend it on 2 other players.

He does no defending and good in a counter attack sense where he has a lot of room to run into. Put Martial or Rashford into that real team and they would thrive as well if given the chance to run one on one at defenders.

I would not be surprised if Real come calling in a year or two for our guys.


11.) 09 Aug 2017 13:29:17
Watching us last night I wish we had signed Bernardo silva He can keep the ball, we are miles away, Lukaku did nothing to impress me or change my mind about him, didn't look mobile, or have a great touch.


12.) 09 Aug 2017 15:46:53
Still think we need a CM who can control the game Herrera for me isn't good enough he's a jack of all trades master of none. With matic at DM I would prefer a more technical player than Herrera I like him but to get to the next level we need a modric or silva type player who can unlock deep defences and keep Possesion in tight areas.


13.) 10 Aug 2017 09:26:00
Lukaku is all brain, he's reading of the game is just on another level :D.


 

 

14 Jul 2017 17:55:44
Matic missing Chelsea tour. Think it's imminent then.

Stand-United

1.) 14 Jul 2017 20:22:26
Juventus are supposedly interested too.


 

 

09 Jul 2017 13:52:20
All the best Wayne Rooney. We had 8-9 really good years from him. Hope he is successful back at Everton.

Stand-United

1.) 09 Jul 2017 13:58:13
well said stand-United.


2.) 09 Jul 2017 18:24:23
After Ronaldo left he practically carried us.


3.) 09 Jul 2017 19:42:06
lets just take a moment to remember that overhead kick against City.


4.) 09 Jul 2017 20:28:36
and the newcastle volley.


 

 

 

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05 May 2018 22:49:14
Sir Alex had such a big influence on many growing up, what he gave and achieved with our amazing club, it almost feels like a family memeber is ill. Really hope he pulls through this, come on Sir Alex, everyone from all clubs is rooting for you.

Stand-United

1.) 06 May 2018 02:33:42
Echo that entirely. I’m only 21 so you can imagine that he’s been there my entire life as my hero. Very emotional reading, but he’s a fighter and will pull through.


 

 

21 Apr 2018 19:20:54
Decent performance, long time coming. First 20 was woeful but thought they played well after, especially second half. Well in lads.

Stand-United

{Ed004's Note - Some excellent performances out there. Thought Herrera should have won man of the match but Sanchez, Pogba, Jones and Smalling all had excellent games. We so badly need to fix the fullback positions as they were both liabilities all game while offering nothing offensively}


1.) 21 Apr 2018 19:33:38
Good team performance imo today.


2.) 21 Apr 2018 19:34:45
Good post that ed. I thought Herrera was very good too but Pogba and Sanchez had a very good game as well.

Jones and Smalling our playing for their careers at the moment and shoukd be pkaying like this more often.

{Ed004's Note - It was good to see the Big players stepping up to the occasion }


3.) 21 Apr 2018 19:36:09
Agrees ed the full backs need to be looked at. The rest of the team did very well.

{Ed004's Note - Its a real shame that Smallings not slightly better on the ball and that Jones wasn't so injury prone or we could have ignored another cb this season}


4.) 21 Apr 2018 19:44:04
Need full backs badly. Cbs were excellent today. Midfield were good after 1st 20 but we need to sign at least one probably 2. We are covered up front imo.


5.) 21 Apr 2018 19:44:32
Herrera should definitely have been MotM, some great balls and defensive work to add to that goal. Pogba and Sanchez were both good though, and the CBs were solid.


6.) 21 Apr 2018 20:00:21
Fantastic result. But i thought we were woeful in first 20mins. We looked shambolic in defence and each time, we allowed spurs to come at us without any challenge or pressing. They were unlucky not to score more before we started playing.
I wasn't totally convinced with the performance but a great result. If chelsea beat the Saints tomorrow and we start the game as we did, then we will lose.


7.) 21 Apr 2018 20:08:30
We qill beat Chelsea aa Contes under a lot of pressure and their players have started complaining again.


8.) 21 Apr 2018 20:27:07
Martial looked somewhat underwhelmed at the final whistle.
Great performance and goal from Sanchez. Herrera played well. Desperately need two quality full backs.
Would love it if Southampton turned Chelsea over tomorrow.


9.) 21 Apr 2018 20:39:19
Martial would look underwhelmed if he scored a 94th minute winner in the World Cup Final on his birthday on the same day his first child was born to Jennifer Lawrence.


10.) 21 Apr 2018 21:03:11
That was most agreeable. However I agree on fullbacks and this will be sorted in the summer. 3 man midfield was superb and baffled why we don’t do this every week. Spurs have a lot of offensive weapons and were always going to cause us headaches. Well deserved victory and Spurs do a Spurs.


11.) 21 Apr 2018 21:03:33
Hahahhahah Rwwd. Goodone! . but to be fair he did look a bit upset!


12.) 21 Apr 2018 20:48:07
😂😂😂Rwwd.


13.) 21 Apr 2018 21:35:45
Lol rwwd. I think we need a player like herrera starting more games. A little fighter focused on winning every ball, A bit of steel in midfield.


14.) 21 Apr 2018 22:45:59
We need ryan Sessengon for next season 😆😆.


15.) 21 Apr 2018 22:53:56
I'm just glad that the pitch wasn't too dry!


16.) 22 Apr 2018 10:07:52
I really like Herrera, he's great at disrupting the midfield and making himself a nuisance. But I've noticed that he will move out of the way if someone is shooting from distance. He did it yesterday in the second half when Eriksen shot wide, he shifted a yard to his left and gave him room. I recall him ducking out of the way when he was in a wall once as well which resulted in a goal. Minor moan over.
Hope the Saints win today, would be good to have Sparky in the other dug out on Cup Final day.


 

 

15 Apr 2018 16:49:10
So I wrote a post at half time against City saying how bad we were, and then got called out by a few, we know who they are, after we came back to win.

Is this acceptable to those of you who think we're a top side? Those who think we're improving? I'm sorry, I said it then, I said it the weeks before that and I'll say it now, we are miles away from a good side. This first half has been utter dross, I say it every week. Slow, lethargic, gutless, toothless football. Lukaku is a poor footballer. Sure he'll score 25 a season, but needs plenty of handed to hit that. He has a touch like rooneys. He's not a top striker. Matic does a job but is so slow on the ball it's like watching paint dry. Pogba has all the potential but can't be arsed to speed his play up.

This football is garbage, and I'm sick of watching it. Some still believe we're on the up. I worry about those people.

Stand-United

1.) 15 Apr 2018 16:55:25
Why do you keep watching stand?


2.) 15 Apr 2018 16:56:06
You'll look silly saying that after our open top parade for the 2nd place trophy.


3.) 15 Apr 2018 17:09:49
Because I’m a life long fan Angel. I’ll always follow. But I don’t enjoy it anymore. Are you enjoying this?


4.) 15 Apr 2018 17:11:24
West Brom are relegated and we are playing along the same lines as themselves.
Not great viewing for any United fan, watching the way we play.
We should be miles ahead of these.


5.) 15 Apr 2018 17:51:07
As with 90% of our performances this season we’ve witnessed tripe again! It frustrates me that the occasional city / palace performances happen and paper over all the Sevilla / Newcastle / West Brom cracks! I really don’t have an issue with loosing or drawing a match and I don’t really care who it’s against, it’s the nature of the performance and the attitude that really gets me. Pathetic result!


6.) 15 Apr 2018 17:51:39
Totally agree stand. We are boring beyond belief.


7.) 15 Apr 2018 17:53:17
Our play has been dreadful. Hats off to city, we criticise teams for not having a go at them, but city are excellent at breaking down teams that sit in. We are dreadful at it.

The usual gripe of lack of movement and poor defending. The ref is not helping matters. A stone wall penalty and Nyom has committed enough fouls to get 2 red cards (cumulative yellows) . The only performance worse than the ref was ours. Oh well, roll on next season. As the song says “things can only get better”. At least we will hopefully finish 2nd. maybe.!


8.) 15 Apr 2018 18:04:20
It is possible for us to be improving AND miles away from a top side. We are definitely better than last year. Still not great though and not happy with the level of our performances. What’s difficult to understand about that?


9.) 15 Apr 2018 18:13:47
RWWD, how are we improving? What are you watching that I’m not? Hundreds of millions spent, manager has lost his mojo years ago, half the squad wouldn’t get in a top 6 side. Really is piss poor.

{Ed004's Note - If half the squad wouldn't get into another top 6 side the managers doing something right to get 2nd in the league.}


10.) 15 Apr 2018 18:23:08
I thought today was dreadful, everyone with Theo rack to goal, slow, lacking ideas, a very very depressing performance.


11.) 15 Apr 2018 18:25:07
How are we improving? Scored more goals, won more games, lost less, drawn less, conceded less, higher league finish.


12.) 15 Apr 2018 18:27:57
another 2 hours of my life I won't get back. Different week, same old dross. Mourinho is too stubborn to adapt his winning style from the 00s. Football has evolved, his ethos hasn't. Sports science has gone from strength to strength in 10 years. Players are fitter, teams are more tactically astute and teams are all more wealthy due to financial circumstances (TV deals etc) . This WBA team would never have been relegated with sub 25 points 10 years ago. What i'm saying is that its now a more even playing field now and I don't believe Mourinho is tactically astute to compete with the very best in today's football.

I have no idea what the ideal and realistic solution is. Just my two cents.


13.) 15 Apr 2018 18:40:13
RWWD, it’s not the same team as last season. He has Lukaku, Sanchez, Lindelof, Matic, didn’t have them last season.

Liverpool and city have improved too. It’s not just about improving, at what rate we improve. We can improve every season and get further away from the top if we don’t improve more than the better sides. Totally flawless.

Last season we won a European and domestic cup. So in that sense we’ve declined.


14.) 15 Apr 2018 18:51:32
You’re arguing against points I’ve never made now. We’ve measurably improved. That was my only point. Doesn’t mean I think we’re improved enough or that I’m happy.


15.) 15 Apr 2018 19:15:13
I know it’s not the same team as last year. We improved it.


16.) 15 Apr 2018 18:31:52
Ed4
Ever noticed how good players look in a team that playing well?


17.) 15 Apr 2018 18:45:36
Ed004, which of city, Liverpool, spurs, arsenal or Chelsea would fight for the signature of Shaw, Smalling, Blind, Fellaini, Darmian, Young, Valencia ( past it now ) , etc etc?

{Ed004's Note - Ok so if we take it from that perspective which of Pep, Klopp, Pochetino etc get 2nd place with those players having to play keys roles for their teams throughout the season? Not going to lie I'm not in mood to have another repetitive and boring argument again and I've work I need to get done. It's my own fault for commenting apologies.}


18.) 15 Apr 2018 19:40:51
RWWD,

But apart from that, what did the Romans ever do for us?


19.) 15 Apr 2018 22:10:23
Pep and Klopp would do much better with this squad, of that I have no doubts.


20.) 17 Apr 2018 05:19:56
Hehehe, GDS2 that really made me laugh. i need to watch that movie again :D.


 

 

08 Apr 2018 00:20:16
Gds,

Not heard from Stand since half time? Only for the fact I've been busy. Nothing to do with my post earlier in the day.

Am I expected to change my view on Jose and this united side because we won that game? I'm sorry but I base my opinion over many games. We won 2-3 today, good result, but let's not kid ourselves. If it weren't for some woeful finishing we could and should have gone in 4 down at half time. Your ok with this though yeh?

People are ok with us consistently poor in the first half of nearly every game? We got knocked out the league cup by Bristol City, Knocked our the CL by a poor side in Sevilla, who we didn't beat in two occasions, and were 13 points behind city, having spent all that money. If people are happy that we're doing well then fine, but my expectations are higher than that.

The brand of football we play is terrible to watch with little entertainment. In fact I find myself browsing social media on my phone while watching recently it's like watching paint dry.

Jose' CV speaks for itself, but that doesn't mean he's still top draw now. I think football has moved and and left him behind tbh. I think we need a new exciting younger manager who wants us playing exciting football.

Just because we came back to beat a much changed city team doesn't really make a difference to anything. We're still well of the pace and I don't believe Jose will ever get us challenging for the title. I also believe we're a long way behind City in all aspects.

Stand-United

1.) 08 Apr 2018 03:05:43
Bar Aguero and De Bruyne i'd argue they were more or less full strength. Oh and walker as well. We’ve just turned the best side in the league over at their home, 2-0 down at half time. Regardless of people’s views on Mourinho, certain players etc. Today was a fantastic performance and something we’ve needed to see for about 5 years. Be happy folks!


2.) 08 Apr 2018 04:11:43
Stand, much of what you say is true, but nevertheless we are on pace for 84 points a total that has won the title in 1/ 3rd of EPL seasons, and which in no season would it have earned less than runners-up. So, despite the frustration at our performances, the lack of passion, and sometimes the lack of any apparent skill or teamwork, I simply cannot agree that we're as bad as you are making out.

I do agree that we were very lucky today. City could and should have put the game out of reach by half time. They hit the woodwork twice in the second half, could have had a penalty, and were prevented from equalizing by a spectacular save. But then football is that sort of game. We have had a few games this season ourselves when we didn't put our chances away and then paid the price. It takes a real sourpuss to be quite so negative after we've just come back from 2-0 down against a team like City at the Etihad to win 3-2.


3.) 08 Apr 2018 09:25:13
Coulda woulda shoulda, City didn’t go in 4-0 and we played better second half and won so I’m ok with that. I think people give Sevilla a hard time, they are technically a very good team, what did everyone expect that we was ready to win the CL, no chance, maybe the 1/ 4’s at best was our limit this season. Jose gets stick for not playing youth, well he has more than any other coach, for not playing this gung ho football, more than one way to win and he’s won x2 trophies already with an FA Cup potentially this year, any regular season we win this league but some say Jose is past it, no City have been exceptional and teams have been to scared to go at them, they are vulnerable tho as has been shown this week, you cannot turn round and say a ‘weak’ City team, they have a squad of world beaters, they are the so called best team ever remember, we showed them up on their own patch, a derby win means a lot so let’s not make it about having a pop at Jose, we’ve heard that all year despite actually doing well, let’s enjoy the moment.


4.) 08 Apr 2018 09:52:00
I don’t get the 80 odd points has been enough for most of the premier league winners, guess what, it’s not good enough anymore. That’s my point. You have to improve and change with the times. City will be just as good if not better next year.

As for arguing we’re not good enough to win the champions league, I totally agree, but don’t tell me we shouldn’t be beating a Sevilla side over two legs. It’s nonsense. A lot on here don’t think Liverpool are a better side than us, they’re going into the semi finals.

I don’t see us winning the league with Jose at the helm. And we’re not enjoyable to watch. I don’t even think a lot of the players enjoy playing for him and his style. Yesterday was a good result, but nothing more than that. We didn’t go and boss the game from start to finish and give them a hiding. We got very lucky in the first half and had a good second one. We’re not a top side, far from it.


5.) 08 Apr 2018 12:36:46
Stand. Two years ago Leicester City won it with 81 points and scored only 68 goals, so the argument that it's not good enough any more is not necessarily true. It's not good enough this season for sure but then this season has been a runaway. Who knows what next season will bring. Maybe we're in for a Bayern Munich type dominance by City, but maybe not. They will surely spend again but can they really get much better?

The questions for United are the same as they have been since Ferguson retired. Who is the right manager? And is the one you might prefer available? Is the set up at United attractive? Given where we're coming from any manager is on a hiding to nothing. If he wins, it's no more than expected. If he loses, he will be under constant scrutiny because of our status as the "biggest club in the world". If he doesn't spend he'll be hammered. If he does spend and the players don't come up to expectations, he'll be hammered. Sometimes highly rated managers (Pocchetino and Klopp perhaps? ) perform well for the reason that they relish the role of underdog.

I'm sure everyone will agree with you that we're not yet a top side. The loss to Sevilla showed that. Has the season been disappointing? Yes, but that's largely as a result of United supporter's elevated sense of expectation - that nothing less than winning everything is enough.


 

 

14 Mar 2018 10:16:35
I said after the 0-0 draw in Spain it was a poor result, a result which left the tie difficult for us. A lot of posters hailed it a good result. It's yesterday, knowing the situation that just one Sevilla goal makes it difficult, we should of set up to attack them a score goals, press them high up the pitch and take it to them. When I saw the team sheet I knew we weee going to yet again try to contain, a dangerous game which backfired massively. Jose's tactics are pathetic to be honest. You can see it in the faces of Sanchez, marital, Pogba etc. He's not right, we're not progressing and I'm bored senseless watching us. Yet some posters will still come here week after week kidding themselves were a force.

Stand-United

1.) 14 Mar 2018 10:44:58
Stand - That performance last night was that bad it even made me question if he's the right man now.

I don't think the high press or possession football is anything new and Jose has had success in recent times it's not like he's gone years without winning anything and he won the title with Chelsea less than 3 years ago.

I just don't remember any of Jose previous teams being so bad. So devoid of ideas, so disjointed, so passive, so inconsistent.

Maybe it's the weight of expectation, maybe we lack real leadership in the boardroom and a vision of how we want the Club to play.

Three different mangers with completely contrasting styles tells it own story.

There is a real disconnect between Jose and a lot of our fans and even whilst results have improved many are still very unhappy with the style of play.

They can be appeased whilst results remain good but I get the impression we're only ever one bad result away from a crisis. The swathes of empty seats after the second goal went in was a damming verdict of a truly awful night. It screamed of well we're out now so if you think we're going to endure any more of this rubbish you must be mad.

I'm starting to feel that maybe we will never really see the best of Jose at Utd. He's caught between wanting to play his own brand of football which is at total odds with the history and expectations of the fans. I think he had a similar problem at Real Madrid. Fans were appeased whilst results remained good but once performance levels dropped the inevitable questions about style resurface and anarchy on the terraces and in the dressing room ensues.

I get the impression Jose likes to be the under dog. He's thrives on being the pantomime villain and being able to forge that siege mentality. It's very hard to create this kind of atmosphere at Clubs like Utd and Real Madrid where expectation is so high and the need not only to win but to win with a certain style and arrogance is required.

At the moment he's appears haunted by the ghosts of our history. He didn't have this at Porto, Chelsea or even Inter and he was able to play his own brand of football without detractors from the outside constantly reminding him of his obligation to play a particular brand of football.

Maybe this is an over reaction to one bad result. Maybe I will be more objective once I've had more time to digest what happened but sometimes you are faced with water shed moments and I think last night was one of them.

I still think Jose is a very good manger, I still think his signings in general have been very good, I still think he has been a big improvement on Moyes and LVG, he has improved results, stabilised the club and returned us to Champions League football however I'm now starting to see this as a marriage of convenience. I'm not sure we'll ever see the football we all crave, his philosophy is at odds with our tradition and I'm not sure he'll be able to bring the level of consistency needed to compete with City without being braver and more courageous and daring to win rather than trying not to lose.

The recruitment of our next manger must be better. We must look for someone who not only has a winning pedigree but plays the style of football in line with the traditions and philosophy of our Club.

Until that time we might just have to accept that top 4 and a decent cup run is adequate considering what came before.


2.) 14 Mar 2018 11:27:08
Danny that is a fantastic post mate. I love reading your posts always informative and well reasoned so good on you pal.

I agree wholly in what you have said. I’ve always thought Jose was a top manager but like you said his tactics are a major issue. At Chelsea, inter and Porto he got away with it because in many ways he was bringing success that was unprecedented for them. But even at Chelsea they got sick of the negative style of play. At real he got away with it because he had players like Ronaldo, Ozil, Modric etc who won him trophies. But that ended in disaster as we all know.

I’ve always though Jose should have been signed straight after sir alex because he would have had a better platform to build us. His appointment was forced mainly because he became available after a torrid spell at Chelsea. But after last night I feel like even the staunchest Jose fans (such as myself) are starting to realise that he can’t get us to where we want to be. If we were winning the league then I think most people would be accepting of the style. But we are not even winning and pep ripped up the rule book and made jose’s Style even more turgid and insipid that it was before. The attacking players look devoid of ideas, passion and even desire. On paper we have players that should be tearing up teams but we set up to nullify opponents who are simply not worth the respect.

We don’t want to be known as a sacking club but I do think Jose has taken us as far as he can. I think he will have definitely have left the club in a better state than when he joined and the next manager will have some very good players to play with. All I want to see is for us to play with intensity, pace and passion. Is that too much to ask for? I highly doubt Jose will go in the summer but I fear he cannot give us the entertaining style of play that we want.


3.) 14 Mar 2018 12:37:34
Thanks Park and I agree pal. Maybe we're over reacting to a terrible night but it was the manner of the defeat, the nature of the tactics and formation and even the desire of the players which makes me question if our faith in Jose has been misguided.

Jose had a better platform at Madrid in which to challenge Pep's dominance and he doesn't seen to know what to with his own signings. On paper our best players in Pogba and Sanchez have become our worst performers. He doesn't appear to know how or where to play them and that can't be right surely! When your best players become your biggest hindrance you know your in trouble.

On a positive note I remember Jose's Inter team coming to Utd in 2009 with a certain Mr Ibrahimovic upfront and putting in a similar performance. They were dreadful but we're crowded European champions the next season. Wishful thinking I know but maybe just something to hold onto in the depressing days ahead!


 

 

 

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05 Jun 2018 22:55:03
What do you know about Dalot to say it’s a good signing. What’s wrong with that? I haven’t seen his name mentioned by a single poster before this, yet all of a sudden he’s a coup and a good signing. I’m asking what do people know about him to back up the point he’s a good signing?

Then posters moan were bashing Jose when he wasn’t even mentioned in the OP? You have to laugh. Jose hasn’t really improved us if were honest, miles off the title, miles off in Europe. Pogba so far flop, Sanchez so far flip, Bailly so far can't get a game, Lindelof so far poor, Miki moved on. All Jose signings. So why are people making out everything he touches turns to gold?

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04 Jun 2018 20:15:48
What do you know about Dalot to know it’s a good start?

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22 May 2018 20:52:50
We could sign Messi and turn him into Roberto Saldado in this set up under Jose.

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03 May 2018 23:19:04
Ken, we need a hot start, was that a typo? Did you mean head start? That’s what we need.

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17 Apr 2018 20:49:25
Why would playing younger players make us more attacking? I think the managers tactics and instructions are as much the problem as anything.

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15 Jul 2018 11:21:42
Based on what? Scraping past Tunisia, beating a terrible Panama, losing to belgium twice, scraping past Columbia on pens, beating Sweden and losing to Croatia? I really don’t see where all this nonsense of England being a top side again has come from. If they got belgiums side of the draw they would of been out first round after group stages. As soon as a half decent team came around they got dumped out. All this Southgate the saviour rubbish really is laughable. Bang average team and won’t win major honours with this squad.

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10 Jul 2018 13:09:53
Singh,

When has it ever bothered us paying over the odds? We do it all the time.

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07 Jul 2018 14:25:17
We say this every summer. Probably photoshopped to take a few stone off.

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30 Jun 2018 13:06:23
Sorry but if anyone think we should be chasing Fellaini to a new £100k pw contract I think you’ve lowered your standards and accepted mediocrity. He is a terrible footballer. Because he’s tall and can bring the ball down on his chest he’s worth a squad place and £100k a week? He’s got no quality on the ball and often gives away stupid free kicks around the box.

It just shows me where we are as a club to be honest. Did anyone see the likes of city, Chelsea, Bayern, PSG, Barca, Madrid sniffing round with his contract down? Of course not. I’m not even sure he’s top half of the PL level tbh. We’ll never get to the top of European football again while we have players like him, Smalling, blind, Shaw, young, Rashford etc in the side.

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{Ed0333's Note - After tax it’s not £100k a week does that make you feel a little better mate?


 

 

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04 Jun 2018 10:28:26
Welsh red,

Has Jose improved the players? I beg to differ. I’d say he’s failing to get the best from most of them personally. How can you say about Lukaku and Matic when they’re both in their first season? I’d say Lingard is the only one who improved. Rashford and Martial have gone backward, Sanchez Is a shadow of the player he was at Arsenal, Pogba hasn’t improved, Bailly our best CB has been left out. Valencia has declined badly. In fact, Matic was poor from Christmas onward and Lukaku is not a top player. His touch is woeful, he’s not a top striker.

I think Jose is past it tbh. Look at the trophies he won in the first half of his career, and then the second. There is a significant drop in trophies won. And in this system he deploys I don’t personally think it matters who we sign. We could sign Messi and Ronaldo and we’d still be boring. That’s why I can’t get excited about transfers this summer, whoever we sign won’t make a difference playing this style.

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