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10 Dec 2017 10:15:04
The day has arrived to show the world that this City team, lauded and eulogised by salivating journalist's are in fact fallible and vulnerable.

This is not a day for beautiful, champagne football. This is not a day for slow sideways and backwards passes. This is not a day to retreat or take a backwards step! On this day we fight! On this day we show character, we work hard, we contest every ball, every pass, every tackle, we play with fury and intensity and above all we believe! We believe in each other, we believe in the fans, we believe we can win. This is Old Trafford!

Hard work, intensity, organisation, concentration and belief will win us the game today. We need to test them like they haven't been tested before. Run the channels, get their defence turning, make tackles, put crosses and diagonal's into their box, contest the second balls, make them realise that this isn't a game of football but a game of character. It's about who wants to run further, about who wants to tackle harder, about who is prepared to sacrifice and not leave anything behind, it's about who wants it more! The time has arrived!

Sorry couldn't help myself. I've not been this excited for a game in ages!

Fascinating afternoon ahead!

Danny Lancs

1.) 10 Dec 2017 11:02:25
Danny you really sound like Leonora’s from 300 🤣 but nice 👍👍👏.


2.) 10 Dec 2017 11:14:48
Leonidas 😂.


3.) 10 Dec 2017 11:24:26
I know I'm sad sorry!


4.) 10 Dec 2017 11:44:58
Damn! It sounds like something that must be vociferoulsy spoken in the dressing room. ;)


5.) 10 Dec 2017 14:10:14
Oh Danny that was brilliant! I’m sure Jose will have these boys fired up and show the world that Manchester is still red.


6.) 10 Dec 2017 16:23:07
Are you some kind of inspiration public speaker? That gave me goosebumps 😂.


7.) 10 Dec 2017 18:35:02
And yet we had one effort on goal in the first half and about 30% possession.


 

 

 

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01 Jan 2018 20:15:53
Ed 25 if your still about - Well that was much better especially in the second half. Pogba to the left of a midfield three was brilliant, Jesse scores another fantastic goal and the Jones/ Rojo partnership looked decent again! Martial gets a start up front and reminds us all what a talent he can be and surely he's the best finisher at the Club! I thought Mata was superb as well. Maybe not the bore fest we all expected it was obviously your more positive outlook that did the trick! 😂👍

I can watch MOTD again tonight!

Danny Lancs

{Ed025's Note - i wont be watching it danny, everton were awful again but i dont want to take anything away from utd who were very good mate..


1.) 01 Jan 2018 22:30:23
Sorry Ed slow on the uptake I probably should know this but I didn't realise you were an Everton fan! My apologies I didn't mean to rub it in!

{Ed025's Note - no problem danny, it should be our players apologizing to our fans mate..


2.) 01 Jan 2018 22:43:08
I thought Jones played RB. It would be a rojo/ lindelof partnership.


3.) 01 Jan 2018 22:43:08
I thought Jones played RB. It would be a rojo/ lindelof partnership.


4.) 01 Jan 2018 23:13:33
Ed 25 in all honesty how did you rate Utd performance did you think it was a case of Everton allowing Utd to do more or less what they pleased and that therefore Utd really were not great and were made to look better than they are or did you see a good team.

{Ed025's Note - i seen a side who looked very good against poor opposition hendon, i seen players who produced good performances and looked like they gave a toss, this is not always the case though mate so we have to ask ourselves why?..


5.) 02 Jan 2018 08:17:45
Lindelof played right back.


 

 

27 Dec 2017 10:59:33
There has been a lot of fuss made about Jose's comments following the Burnley game in relation to money and our transfer activity.

I have some sympathy for him as I think he finds himself in a funny position where he hasn't really got the team he wants but there is massive expectation from the fans, media etc to win trophies and not just to win but do it in a certain way!

Your all laugh but I actually agree with his comments about City. They've spent around £80m more than us over the summer and had a much better squad already. Pep got everything he wanted whilst Utd screamed "no value" in their pursuit of Perisic.

He's spot on if we want to challenge City then we need to spend more he's a good manager but not a miracle worker.

I think the board are entitled to expect a top 4 finish given the money he's had which at the half way point of the season he's well positioned for. I think the board are more than happy, that we're well placed for top 4 and safely through the group stages of the Champs League. They deal in revenue, sponsorship, markability, cash in the bank not necessarily trophies in the cabinet! There just a nice bonus!

Jose knows he can't compete (win the title) without getting the players he wants but the board will only back him so far and are more than happy with top 4. There is a clear difference in ambition and I think Jose feels he's being thrown out to the wolves.

The fans and media expect a title challenge and to do it playing attractive football it must be driving him mad as half the squad are clearly not up to it.

When he's talking about money I think he means we need to spend more if we are serious about toppling City and competing with the likes of PSG in Europe. He's delivering on the boards top 4 expectations and I suspect their fairly content with that and don't see the necessity to spend more. In some ways he's a victim of him own success.

What the Utd board really want is a Wenger!

I get the feeling it's all going to implode but the board need to be very careful. If Jose combusts where do we turn next and ultimately how much did the Moyes disaster cost the club? A lot more than the £50m Inter wanted on Perisic!

If anyone thinks that they can compete with City (on a consistent basis) without investing heavily in the squad matching at least their output then your kidding yourself. Nobody will touch them over the next few years without a real commitment to at least match their transfer output. It's a sobering thought that they'll spend heavily again and at this juncture I fully expect them to dominate not only at home but also in Europe over the next few years.

Danny Lancs

1.) 27 Dec 2017 11:11:03
Danny

Totally agree and I think the point about Jose level ambition and our boards ambition is important. I don’t think the Glazers will want to spend heavily or borrow to buy players given the debt already, more debt may adversely affect their assets value. I suspect that may create a conflict, in that they can keep the money rolling in without having to spend big, as you point out like Arsenal.

We will see the clubs ambition over the next two windows or I suspect Jose may feel he has more ambition than the club.


2.) 27 Dec 2017 11:22:54
Do we really need to spend like city or PSG to beat Burnley, Leicester and Bristol city. Tottenham easily beat Burnley without spending even a quarter of what we have spent in last 2 seasons.


3.) 27 Dec 2017 11:49:54
Csm,

This isn’t about the odd game, every team can miss chances and not win a game here and there, we’ve had a little bad patch but it’s hardly panic stations, just a couple of games where we underperformed in front of goal and in defence.

Step back and look at the bigger picture rather than just one match, on their day any team in the league can beat any other. We are ahead of the mighty attacking Liverpool and spurs with the best striker in the world but city are making us look worse than we are. In the treble season we lost at Sheffield Wednesday, that doesn’t mean we weren’t good enough to beat Sheffield Wednesday, just that we struggled on the day, it happens.

By your logic any team that beats one then who then beats another is better than them as well, so Huddersfield beat us and we beat spurs so Huddersfield are better than spurs? How boring would Football be if that was the case.


4.) 27 Dec 2017 12:35:08
CSM - The answer is yes if we want to compete with City and win the league. Probably not as much to keep us in the top 4!

The big question for me is are the Club prepared to match the investment of City or now we're back in a decent position will they tighten the purse stings. I think that's the point Jose is making. There is a big difference between WINNING and being Arsenal. Make no mistake Pep has not gone to Arsenal and turned them into Champions on a limited budget. He inherited a very talented squad and been given everything he desired in terms of transfers. Whilst we've spent heavily Jose didn't get all his targets. It's not a level playing field and he's right.

Make no mistake I'm not moaning we've outspent teams for years and we're now getting a taste of our own medicine I'm just being realistic.

I think Jose point is if we want to WIN the league then we need more. He's a good manager, one of the best but it's fanciful to think we can overtake City without at least matching them in the transfer market.

Of course money can be wasted and players don't always work out as planned and yes with good scouting and a clear vision of how you want your team to play you can achieve success but if City are going to outspend us to the tune of nearly £80m most windows then any success will be fleeting.

In general terms the team that spends the most money has the most success. This is especially true when they already have the best players and the best manager. Let's get real guys!


5.) 27 Dec 2017 13:29:18
City out spent us in the summer by 80 mill.
Is the 130 mil they spent on Silva Mendy and daniol really the reason they are playing better.

{Ed025's Note - no mate..its because their manager is not stuck up his own arse..


6.) 27 Dec 2017 14:51:51
Boo hoo, your complaining about money spent, seriously? You've spent close to three quarters of a billion in two season or so and your high end earners are on circa 300k a week, leave that particular topic there because your embarrassing yourselves. He's the classic deflector and your all enabling him. He's bought averagely to poorly and when things don't go well it's certain players faults and when he can't use that deflector from his failings he turns to referees and now not signing enough players, fall for that if you want, but I think you should be looking at the manager and his questionable tactics. He's a grade A whiner and the reason he's failing is he's been found out and he's yesterday's manager, great once but now out dated.


7.) 27 Dec 2017 16:08:45
Waro,

We are above you, jog on.


8.) 27 Dec 2017 17:59:32
Don't think there's anything sadder than a Scouse fan coming over to give his learned advice (? ), in a Utd discussion. If José is so bad, what does that say about Klopp? If you were 15 points clear of us, I might actually listen to your pearls of wisdom. But you're not. So I won't.


9.) 27 Dec 2017 21:30:58
GDS2, yes and look at the money you have spent and the wages you pay, you should be. That was my original point, your wage bill must be four times ours and your net spend even greater. Yet your manager moans that you haven't spent enough, put pochettino in charge of those players and you'd be a hell of a lot closer to City than you're at the minute. Look at your manager, he's underachieving massively in comparison to his budget.


10.) 27 Dec 2017 21:41:04
Just an observation noucamp, feel free to take it or leave it. the hypocrisy of your manager needed highlighting so I did.


11.) 27 Dec 2017 22:37:50
Apologies, Waro. That came out a lot more hostile than it was meant. I don't mind a bit of banter, but sometimes the written word in a short post doesn't lend itself to that. You're still wrong, though 😀.


12.) 28 Dec 2017 11:35:59
OK noucamp, no worries kid 👍.


 

 

24 Dec 2017 12:38:28
I didn't see the entire game as I was at work but I managed to catch most of the second half!

I thought we looked ok to be honest!

Martial, Lingard and Rashford all missed absolute sitters and when your only leading by a goal that always has a chance of happening.

To be fair it was a delightful ball and good finish. You can talk about game management all you want and I agree it wasn't great but it only takes a second to whip in a quality ball and maybe the question should have been why was Smalling marking their biggest threat? Why could he have not gone off, re organised and played 10 vs 10? Confusion rained and we got punished!

I still don't think Jose is happy with most of the team!

Martial, Lingard, Rashford, Miki and Mata all blow hot and cold! None of them are reliable and we've got problems at CB as none of them can play more than 10 games without getting injured!

To be honest the dagger through my heart was the City game and the Hudds game was a very bad defeat!

We're playing for top 4 and we're in a decent position for that.

This season is a stepping stone having said that I still think we're a bit short!

He's got to get another attacker that will support Lukaku and get us 15-20 league goals.

We also need a LB and possibly another CB that can play every game!

We're prob still another 2-3 windows away!

Having said a few good additions that hit the ground running and everything can change very quickly.

I'd like to finish by saying it's been great reading all your posts and different opinions on our Great Club during 2017. Some I agree with more than others but I respect everyone's point of view!

It's been a tough year for Manchester and when I think back to the tragic events at the Arena it puts things into perspective. We live in a great City with some amazing people and we should never lose sight of that.

I'd like to wish you all a very Merry Christmas and hope you have an amazing time wherever you may be.

Danny Lancs

1.) 24 Dec 2017 12:53:11
My apologies how could I forget a big thanks to all the Ed's for making this such a great site and for all their hard work and patience. Merry Christmas.

{Ed004's Note - Thanks Danny and have a good Christmas as well}


 

 

10 Dec 2017 20:59:18
I've been with Jose all the way since his appointment but even I can't defend that insipid, ponderous, dare I saw cowedly performance!

As soon as I laid eyes on the team it filled me with a sense of foreboding and Deja vu. We've seen this before and it's never worked. Have no doubts this was a defensive, negative lineup!

Martial and Rashford were always going to play as auxiliary full backs. Lingard was thrust into a No 10 role in which he's never excelled, Lukaku was always going to cut an isolated figure up front. Matic and Herrera outnumber in midfield.

A more accurate description of our formation should have read 6-2-1-1.

Rashford and Martial are both CF's! Neither are adept at playing so deep. It's square pegs in round holes. It's obvious that when two of your most attacking players are so deep it's almost impossible to get out, especially against a team like City. When Rashford or Martial get the ball deep in their own half what on earth are they supposed to do with it?

We'd played some exhilarating football at Watford and Arsenal, with Young and Valencia providing the width and Martial allowed to play in support of Lukaku. He's brilliant in the final third with the ball at his feet! When he drifts to the left and runs with the ball he's such a threat. With Lingard running from deep and Lukaku in the box we're a different animal.

The best formation for the players we have in our squad is 3-5-2! We don't need to play that every week but in the big games it simply gets our best players in their most effective positions. Arsenal was the blueprint yet he retreated and reverted to type. I don't care what anybody says we were beaten as soon as the teams were announced.

City won that game in third gear. The irony being we gifted them two goals from set pieces. Huddersfield, Southampton and West Ham gave them more of a game than we did!

Danny Lancs

1.) 10 Dec 2017 21:39:44
Well said Danny can’t argue with that.


2.) 10 Dec 2017 21:48:29
I was hoping Jose would play the same formation as he did against Watford and Arsenal. I like it. I hope we play it against Bournemouth. I suspected he'd chicken out like he did against Liverpool. Never mind. We have to look forward to the next game now.


3.) 10 Dec 2017 22:05:55
I was so so disappointed with today Park. Not just the result but the manner of defeat. I thought we'd a least give them a game but they just coasted through in third gear. We hardly made a tackle, stood off them and simply let them play. We couldn't counter as we we're so deep and I lost count of the number of times Rojo just punted it forward. Ironically our goal came from another one of his hopeful balls. Surely there's more to our team than hoping for a mistake or a set piece? In another of the games ironies they won the game in a way that everybody thought we would. It was supposed to be them that couldn't defend set pieces. Having said that when you can't even manage to string two passes together in the opposition half it's hard to get on set pieces in decent positions in the first place. Sadly we got what we deserved!


4.) 10 Dec 2017 22:27:10
Beat by the better team today.


5.) 10 Dec 2017 22:38:53
Agree completely Danny. The irony of us gifting two goals from set pieces is laughable. All I want to see is passion and determination from the players. It was a derby for Christ’s sake against our neighbours and title rivals. The players should have been harrying and pressuring city not giving them a moments rest. But instead we sat off and allowed them to play. We showed them so much respect and it is bitterly disappointing. The crowd played their part in creating a supportive atmosphere and the players and manager let us down today. What I saw today was not in keeping with the traditions of the club I love. City played the way we used to - with pace, creativity and passion. I have been Jose’s biggest supporter but today showed me that although we may win the league with him at some point, we will not do it in the United way. And that is not good enough for our great club. City have a long term plan and they are a club on the up. We have bought badly and our owners care about money. I would even say city are favourites for the champions league. What I saw today is one manager that lives and breathes a creative and beautiful brand of football. And I saw another that is happy to sit back and ‘hope’ for a mistake. That is the difference between the two sides. One manager see the beauty of the game whilst another see it in a more pragmatic way. We do not have bad players we have some fantastic skilful young players. If rashford and martial were playing under pep they would be flourishing like sterling and sane. It’s painful to admit but they have a manager who we should have signed after Fergie.

Where is our ambition? Where is the united of old? It died the day Fergie left. The club needs to take a hard look at itself if we want to get back to the top. We must invest in January and we must back the manager in the summer. I am sure after a few days I will be able to be less emotional and more objective of the situation. We must take each game as t comes and keep on winning. And then we must pray that our rivals do us a favour. Because that is what it will take for us to even have a chance.


 

 

02 Dec 2017 21:05:38
Jesse Lingard showing Miki exactly what is required if he wants to play for Man Utd again. The commitment, work rate, desire, intelligence, intensity and quality he showed today was outstanding. Talent alone is not enough. He dovetailed brilliantly with Pogba and we were able to break with pace and menace. Jose needs to show him the video and tell Miki that's exactly what I want!

Massive win in a pulsating game. How good does that feel?!

Danny Lancs

1.) 02 Dec 2017 21:12:58
Or just keep lingard in the team if he can perform like that.


2.) 02 Dec 2017 23:31:33
I think that is the point Nellym. That is the standard, if Lingard plays like that he is in the team.

Linked mid to front, scored goals, high press, dropped into mid to cover Pogba or the extra Arsenal player. That was the perfect 10 performance, can't really even fault the shot to the post, I thought it was an excellent save by Cech.


 

 

 

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10 Dec 2017 11:24:26
I know I'm sad sorry!

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02 Nov 2017 12:07:27
I must admit I was at the game and slightly frustrated when Rashford came off. I thought he'd looked our most dangerous player, Lukaku up to that point had done nothing all afternoon. I'd have took Lukaku off!
I was WRONG, Jose got it RIGHT, I don't mind being told to SHUT my mouth, just a polite reminder who's the expert and multiple title winner and maybe we (I) need to show a bit more faith and patience.

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04 Aug 2017 09:52:39
Shappy I tend to agree with most of what you say especially regarding the injuries and his game being based around pace but surely a fit and in form Bale would transform us into major contenders for both domestic and European honours. I agree given the figures involved it would be a financial gamble for the Club but players of Bale's calibre don't come on the market that often and if we seriously want to get back competing at an elite level then it's a gamble worth taking in my opinion.

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15 Jun 2017 18:19:09
I agree GDS it's all speculation anyway.

The problem we're facing is the player is under contract, from what I've read Madrid would like to keep him and he has no real desire to leave other than to play more regularly which can't be guaranteed at any top Club he joins anyway!

Madrid can name their price, try and get the best deal for their Club and negotiate from a position of strength.

If we don't want to pay the money we go elsewhere but your probably talking even more money for the likes of Lukaku or Belotti and are either of them much better anyway?

If we don't go for any of the above who are the alternatives?

Do we go with just Rashford and Martial?

For what it's worth I don't think we'll pay anywhere near £80m and the deal will get done around £60-65m.

We set the bar high when we shelled out over £60m for the relatively unknown Martial, we can't blame Madrid for trying to get the best deal for their player.

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13 Jun 2017 23:32:48
I think Martinez would be a great signing Wallace.

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19 Jan 2018 11:20:07
I meant Park sorry mate! 😂.

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19 Jan 2018 11:18:20
Fully agree Shaw!

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17 Jan 2018 13:30:29
Totally agree Shaw! This Sanchez saga is killing me though! Please hurry up and get it done! Just imagine!

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17 Jan 2018 12:16:28
Good post WRD.

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10 Jan 2018 13:43:06
Totally agree Park!

CSM - The point about Perisic is not if he is a good player but rather the manger identified him as a key target and the board didn't deliver. There can be no doubt that the Club didn't want to pay the asking price probably due to his age. The board didn't fulfil the mangers minimal requirements and we should be asking why not? He probably wanted another LB, CM and back up RB is a perfect world. I think even Jose understood this was unrealistic it he expected them to deliver his targets. How do you propose that we over take City if we're not even prepared to match their spending? We either want to be the best or we don't! Yes money can be wasted and mis spent but without it your left hoping for miracles. Just look at Spurs. Potch has done a great job but there a million miles away from winning anything and won't get anywhere close unless they change their philosophy. They'll do well just to keep hold of their players never mind improve their squad. Don't forget Pep won nothing last season and he's spent another small fortune getting the players he wanted. We shouldn't fool ourselves unless we're prepared to at least match the likes of City and PSG then our glory days will be few and far between. Do we want to be the best or not?

Danny Lancs