05 Jul 2025 14:32:21
Reading that we are possibly close with a Sancho move to Juventus if salary can be resolved with potentially Luiz coming the other way.
Has anyone seen Luiz since he left Villa, if we get that version we will be adding a quality player suited to the PL that will help. but not seen much since he left.
05 Jul 2025 15:16:50
I like Douglas Luiz and he's a great player to have in the EPL. I'm not sure he's the ideal partner in midfield for Bruno, and seems more suited to play alongside an Ugarte type player.
A swap deal could be very smart, as the clubs can inflate the value of the players in the swap to show a greater profit on the books. For Juventus it means they can breakeven on Luiz, for us it will probably show a small profit.
05 Jul 2025 15:44:31
He was terrific at Villa, but according to all reports has been very poor at Juve, hence them looking to sell.
If it happens we shall have to hope we get old Luiz.
Tend to agree a bit with Shappy, not totally sure he is the ideal fit for Bruno.
There is much talk we are after Fabian Ruiz of PSG, he is a fabulous player, but again not sure he would be a good fit for Bruno, he's great at advancing the ball but not great defensively. Surely we need someone good at that aspect of play.
05 Jul 2025 16:57:48
I’d absolutely love Luiz.
Can’t see it happening though.
05 Jul 2025 19:15:14
I’d really like Adam Wharton.
Hayden Hackney would be an interesting gamble.
I think Douglas Luiz would be a good addition too if Casemiro moves on.
06 Jul 2025 05:22:49
So are we now saying Luiz is better player than Cass….?
06 Jul 2025 09:44:14
Cass despite some decent games in Europe last season can't cope with the pace of epl sp yes at this point Luiz would be a lot more effective than casimero 100%.
06 Jul 2025 14:24:59
So have you seen Luiz in the EPL last year to know he be better at coping, he not coped very well in Italy!
I would take Cass all day long over Luiz because he already here and he got bucket loads more experience and also a game a week will suit him fine… so I see no point in Luiz in Cass out, that’s for sure, no problem Cass out if a proven midfielder but Luiz ain’t that.
06 Jul 2025 16:14:15
German, Douglas Luiz made 175 appearances for Aston Villa between 2019 and 2024.
He's very much proven in the EPL.
He's a different kind of midfielder to Casemiro. Less combative, but better on the ball.
Peak Casemiro was a better player than Luiz has been, but right now in the EPL Douglas Luiz would be the better player. Casemiro just hasn't got the stamina for the EPL anymore unfortunately.
06 Jul 2025 17:14:23
In your opinion you mean…. I know he was at Villa but hardly pulled up any trees for them and looked awful in Italy last season, so the jury out if he be any good here, another year later… I would totally disagree though that he better passer or better with ball at his feet than Cass… or even able to score goals like Cass can……. I have no objections to getting Luiz I just don’t see an upgrade if Cass goes for him to come in, maybe an upgrade on Ugarte but not on Cass imo.
06 Jul 2025 18:46:53
German your hate for Ugarte is comedy gold.
06 Jul 2025 19:22:18
Why Redpaul, is he great then? Am I missing something and did PSG miss something too? In fact are all clubs missing something with him, even RA don’t start him in bigger games is he missing something too!
Please enlighten me what’s good about him or is he comedy gold and that’s what you mean
I don’t hate him, I don’t know him, I judge him as a player and he is not very good, that’s not hate…… your being woke with that word.
06 Jul 2025 19:31:41
German, he did pretty well at Villa, was chased by Arsenal and considering by City, won the supporters and players player of the season awards in 2022/ 23, and Juventus ended up paying €50m for him. Not an insignificant amount.
He got 10 goals and 10 assists in his final season at Villa while playing deeper in the double pivot.
I think most people who have watched him in the EPL for Villa appreciate he is a very good player.
07 Jul 2025 05:56:22
He might HAVE been a very good player at Villa, but Cass WAS an exceptional player at Real Madrid…if we are talking in the past tense! So bit of a non starter comparison in my view…. As usual you’re masking your view with stats so why not show stats of last season then? Maybe for them both? Thought not….
07 Jul 2025 06:09:27
I agree on ugarte. He’s not great. Arsenal have a decent set of midfielders and they’ve still added real quality in zubimendi. That’s what we did when we were good. Added high quality when we were already strong.
Even if we had have been lucky enough to have got Cunha, Mbeumo and Gyokeres I still feared for our midfield of ugarte, Bruno, Mainoo and collyer/ Casemiro. There isn’t a natural pairing of 2 amongst them.
Get the spine right first. That’s always the first rule in forming a team and right now ours is way below the standard, especially compared to Liverpool, Arsenal, city, Chelsea. I’d even argue that the two cop winners newcastle and palace have a better spine.
Out of those teams just considering
Keeper
Centre back (in our case the middle of the 3)
Centre DM
Attacking midfield we’re stacked but then we’re moving our best player back into a role that isn’t a natural fit. Remember it was Bruno that was dispossessed for the spurs goal in the final.
CF
Onana worst of them by far.
Maguire and deligt are “ok” but far below van dijk, Dias, Saliba, chelsea have 3/ 4 better.
Ugarte - nowhere near at the level of zubi, caiceido/ enzo, Rodri, gravenbach.
CF - least said the better.
We needed to improve up front but in reality we’ll struggle if we don’t upgrade the entire spine. It’s going to take 2–3 windows to get right and challenge again.
No wonder gyorkeres doesn’t want to come. We’ll improve this year, no doubt, but I still don’t see us breaking top 6. The road back is going to be long and painful.
07 Jul 2025 13:18:29
Agree airforce.
Gk cb cm still weaker than a new born kitten
But it will take time and unraveling the mess of dumb contracts to crap players will take some time.
That said we i'm very hopeful we can address keeper this summer along with the forwards. BUT WE HAVE TO SELL PLAYERS BEFORE WE CAN BUY.
07 Jul 2025 14:09:44
At last someone agrees, that we are very weak at CB I banged the drum for an age that the spine of the team is terrible and that’s what is being worked on, but we have to remember many don’t want to come to United it’s a long term project, especially they don’t want to come if we not now over paying on salaries, what else we got to offer.
I also agree top6 is going to be a push, but least one we will be aiming for next season.
The club is working to get the spine…GK, CB, Mid and strikers RAknows what he needs the club knows too, lots on here seem to think the glass butcher the fridge carrying CBs and can’t pass a ball 5 yards midfielders are good enough…. the same players that got us 15th last season
Garnacho, Rashford Sancho possibly Mainoo will all be gone. If RA had his way Ugarte, Onana Malacia, Rasmus and Zirkee will be gone too, but that might be wishful thinking….
07 Jul 2025 16:31:30
German i she on those with the exception of mainoo.
Technically and very good player and has time on his side. Had a bad season with a couple of muscle injuries last season and was clearly not up to standard.
However I think he has got lots of the fundamentals required.
Ra has put him on a special endurance and speed programme reportedly. If he can improve his athleticism he will rock most boxes.
Not a list cause by any means.
The rest of your list will all be gone sooner rather than later imo but can't all be done this summer.
08 Jul 2025 04:40:52
I did not say he is a lost cause, but he lacks mobility for a midfielder and speed that’s needed in today’s game especially when surrounded by no pace as is at United, if a good bid come in he would be on his way, but I don’t see a bid coming, because every club is aware of his shortcomings, that’s why I said possibility of him moving only… the rest are total waste of time, I would also add Deligt and Martinez the glass butcher to that list, they are both average at very best and again both too slow, both too injury prone too….