11 May 2025 19:52:59
Dont worry everyone, Amorim has a plan. Since he took over we have got worse, our League position is an embarrassment, and people want to blame Ole and ETH. Deluded.
11 May 2025 20:30:12
Why is it deluded to blame the ones who spent a fortune to take the club backwards? They all had at least two seasons, so we surely need to wait at least that long to judge Amorim.
11 May 2025 20:32:19
We aren’t genuinely judging him on league games where the players are playing to not get injured for the cup final though are we? We have one game left that means anything, we’ve had one competition that means anything for quite a while, I get it’s frustrating but I’d happily lose all remaining league games 20-0 if we win in Bilbao.
This isn’t his team, he didn’t want the job until summer we know that, so judge him after that. If he somehow wins the Europa league after an unbeaten season with this team he will prove he can work miracles.
11 May 2025 20:33:05
What’s your honest opinion on him? I’m not sure. He talks a good game but hasn’t backed that up with evidence that convinces me. I get he came in mid season, I get the squad doesn’t suit him and I get a lot of those players need to go but is all that 6 wins from 24 games bad? I’m not so sure.
11 May 2025 21:01:15
I think he is out of his depth, the team and displays have been awful.
And I don't buy this playing not to get injured narative, we have been dreadful for some time.
He has one way of playing, it isn't working and he has no other ideas. Losing so many games, leading to our worst finish since we were relegated in 1974, that's over 50 years ago shocking.
Winning the Europa has huge benefits financially, but it doesn't mask that Amorim seems to have no clue. When did we accept this level of cr4p performances, losing at home to so many teams.
I like him, he's a nice guy, but I have no confidence he has a clue.
11 May 2025 21:41:09
Deserves until at least Christmas after a summer of transfers - whether Ineos have the balls to perform open heart surgery is another thing - or he has to go.
He has shown no tactical variety, nor has improved the players we have. Whether they fit the system or not, he should still be coaching to improve the team.
Two wins since January in the league, against Ipswich and Leicester is inexcusable. We are not a cup team, despite clearly some fans settling for our league position for some silverware. What do you think will be remembered longer? A Europa League title, or potential 17th place finish?
Put it this way, no one talks about the Europa League win under Jose any more.
11 May 2025 21:58:47
The team hasn’t been built for the system he’s trying to play
And the players we have it’s clear to see which ones can’t be coached to the system and need moving on and replaced
We’ve been garbage for years and the team has been able to turn up in one off games now and again just like we have in the europa league
There is a reason he didn’t want to come till the summer
They don’t care about the prem games you can see it in the way we perform
Players that are at the club that should have been sold 3 years ago are still there in other clubs they get rid.
We’ve kept martial 5 years longer than we should, gave him a new deal ?
This has been coming. hopefully we finish 17th will show what kind of ambition Ineos have
The worst united team in prem history
But let’s sack another manager and keep repeating ay….
11 May 2025 22:08:46
I honestly don't understand some people. Do you really think a coach can come in mid-season and turn around years of mis-management and poor recruitment. We've a horribly constructed squad that only could play counter attack and without any control. If Amorim just went with that approach then results this year would've been better, but what is the point in getting 7th or 8th. He's building for next year. He also had numerous forwards loaned out that would've been starters in order to build for the future. Not to mention McT being sold without those goals being replaced. If you look at lots of performance metrics we are actually getting better. We're just not taking our chances.
11 May 2025 23:10:05
So the rinse and repeat brigade are out despite a near-miracle by RA to get us in Champions League
Head wobble.
11 May 2025 23:12:46
I refuse to believe the issue at the club in the league are because of another manager. If we win the Europa league nobody will care less about where we finish in the league, what will be remembered will be our 6th major European trophy in the history of the club I assure you. In fact I think it would be hilarious if we finish 17th (I think we will) and win the EL as the meltdown from other clubs will be hilarious, they are already saying the EL winner shouldn’t get CL now just because it’s us, I’d love us to rub it in even more.
12 May 2025 00:17:56
@donnred. Plenty of managers have done exactly that your point makes no sense at all. Wolves and Everton have been like new teams with new managers brought in.
Amorim may come good but for what it's worth atm call a spade a spade, it has been a disastrous showing in the league with many players seeming fk go backwards since he came in.
12 May 2025 04:29:37
I stopped watching us in the league a while ago and not surprised. I like him, his honesty etc etc. We will see lots of changes this summer, he will have the early part of next year to show he can manage in this league to a certain level as a United manager, which means he has to win a lot more games than he losses or he will be gone imo.
Don't kid yourselves that its all the players and we need 20 new ones and amorim is a saint, not happening and plenty of managers have shown they can do a lot better with squads a lot worse than ours.
Time to enjoy the Europa final and for his sake and the fan base and the club, I prey we win. He will get some equity and more time in the bank with a win otherwise it will get very toxic very quickly next year if anything like what we are seeing at the moment continues.
12 May 2025 06:03:11
The players are crap no doubt, not good enough for sure… but Amorim hasn’t been good either! Why does it have to be one or the other?
12 May 2025 06:59:00
The last few years of SAF were those of a declining team, destroyed by no value in the market Glazernomics. We have spent years putting the wrong managers in, starting with Moyes, who I bet they thought would do ok with little money. These last 12 years were ridiculous, manager and player recruitment wise. We have tried to repeat what SAF brought, despite not realising he was unique and old fashioned. We have ex players like Scholes criticising every manager except Ole because they were blinded by SAF. Instead of breaking the mold and looking forward we kept trying and expecting more of the same.
Two years ago we struggled to score goals under ETH and made a complete mess in recruitment. We have chosen someone to reform the club, to do the open heart surgery, and he still has the players that got ETH sacked. Why on Earth is anyone surprised?
I see he said we need to be bold or brave in summer. Too right, years of terrible mismanagement, including last summer by sunny Jims mob have brought us here.
The alternative AJH wants is to twist again, which will create more of a mess.
12 May 2025 07:17:33
Agree with ajh. Nice person but completely out of his depth. Has to be moved on in the summe regardless of the europa outcome.
The people who brought him in need to be looked at as well. Ineos so far have got every bid decision wrong.
12 May 2025 07:43:38
I think AJH is saying that they just appointed the wrong man Red Man, that's it.
I mean it's hard to argue for him unless you like how he speaks, dresses and some of the football he played at Sporting.
We were told on here, by the apparent knowledgeable ones, including yourself that the coach was the big problem, that he didn't have a clue how to manage the team, the players. How we have a good squad and are only a few signings away. But yet, on the face of it, since RAs arrival, we look worse, and that's not an opinion but back up by stats. We are touching off of 17th. I mean, what does it say about the quality of the Europa that spurs and united are in the final.
All I've heard are excuses, blaming the squad, blaming ETH, Ole, he came in mid season, hasn't got his own players etc. well he has been in charge now for 38 games, that's not just a few weeks trying to figure out the squad and style. That is concrete.
He has called out the club and the squad on numerous occasions, IMO that never ends well for any manager. And only yesterday he is now saying if he has a bad start, then find someone else.
I'm not advocating for him being sacked. But again, as I said months ago, the excuses for the man is incredible.
But hey, maybe we are just uneducated, that's what was said in the live chat went yesterday.
12 May 2025 08:23:16
Bang on the money there, Red Man. I am astounded that some want to go for yet another rinse-and-repeat option so soon. This isn't a computer game!
12 May 2025 08:58:33
I’m more surprised we’re still debating the same stuff every week after every match.
Let’s see what he and the club do in the summer and winter windows coming up. A good 60% of this squad needs shipping out and replacing with new blood. If its still the same old in May 2026, we know the answer.
12 May 2025 09:12:02
Banging on about stats
We have actually had higher expected goals against the teams we keep losing against
The problem is we can put the ball in the net because our forwards are garbage.
Twice yesterday hojland should have scored if that’s a Kane or even a mid striker he scores 2 easily.
Let’s put aside our emotions for a minuite and actually look at the games.
We’ve been the better side in most and have lost due to poor finishing and for some reason with us whenever we lose a ball or a bad pass and the other team break it always leads to a goal.
12 May 2025 09:16:33
Eric that's absolutely fine, let him have a good window and pre season in and hopefully a 180 can be done because that's what he will need.
He seems like a lovely man so I do hope it works out for him.
12 May 2025 09:16:37
If that’s the case Eric and we buy a host of new players (doubt it considering our financials) what happens if he isn’t good enough and we sack him?! We are then left again with a group of players who most likely won’t suit the next manager either and have to repeat the process again, not too many play a 3-4-3 so that’s a high possibility.
12 May 2025 09:57:43
If Amorim is criticised some here get very defensive but starting with 2 no 10s yesterday was wrong, he has no idea what to do with Mainoo who is an excellent player. I love Amad but he's not a wing back. I have never before seen a system that seems to require such special-ist footballers that most of the current squad can't adapt to. We are never set up to player strengths but to a system.
12 May 2025 10:46:34
Let the summer transfer window and one more season to adequately judge RA. Hjolind and Onana have cost Utd at least 20 points from being so poor. Then you can add the rest of the team into the mix. There's only really Yoro, Amad, Heaven, Mazraoui and Bruno who have played well. The rest are hit and miss.
12 May 2025 11:02:01
Just goes to show xG is a rubbish statistic.
12 May 2025 11:43:37
Bolger, same could be said for ETH at the start of this season. We created a lot of chances but couldn't put the ball in the net.
"Banging on about stats"
The only stat that matters is winning football matches. He has won 6 in the premier league and 3 of those were against relegated sides. He has had 25 matches.
Something tells me that calling a squad or team the worst we have ever had in the premier league might not work. It looks like they have believed it.
12 May 2025 14:00:12
Sorry to criticise you Keefy but the only people who say xG is a rubbish statistic are those who don't understand how to apply it. It is an extremely useful and insightful one when viewing about games in retrospect. E. g. Garnacho has a reasonable xG but his goals output is far below his xG. This says he is good at getting into the right positions but really bad at converting those changes. It can give insights into which types of shots he should be working on etc.
12 May 2025 15:02:21
I like him a lot, and have hope he'll turn things round next season.
But let's not pretend there aren't problems with him.
I think people are so keen to pin their colours to a particular manager they like, in the hope they can say, 'I told you so', that they seem to take it personally when any legitimate criticism is aimed at the manager.
It's not North Korea, folks.
12 May 2025 15:31:14
Ten hag should have been given more time. I always said it. but the club took the decision to give Amorim an ultimatum of join now or never.
Sure the manager has made some mistakes like everyone does but once those players step onto the pitch it’s their responsibility to play to the maximum
Why’s it always the manager that gets the boot when it’s the same players that finished the season in 8th? Fa cup papered over the cracks
It might be best for us to lose next week some players like to fool us in thinking they can still perform at the level needed to get us back up in the top 6 never mind top 4.
The manager isn’t the issue and he wasn’t the issue last season either.
The same core group of players are still here like a disease…
We’re all entitled to our opinions.
But I fully believe with a better front 3 and a better keeper we would be much better placed.
We’ve got some decent young players who unfortunately for them are playing with what you would call senior players who let's face it are not fit to wear the shirt.
But 12 years of bad decision making in both manager recruitment and player recruitment has got us to where we are now.
I remember when Luke shaw gave an interview years ago saying they lack motivation becoase the season www basically done because they couldn’t win anything
And yet he is still here at the club…
Jose said it years ago and tried to tell the club about certain players that needed to be sold but the manager was undermined and eventually lost his job
Ralf spoke out about heart surgery and was given the boot. ten hag spoke about the mentality of some of these players that are still here.
We’re never going to change if we keep changing managers
The guy needs to be given a chance to bring in his own team and construct a squad on his idea and way of playing.
I’m glad we are where we are because the same group of players who have been fooling the majority of the fans for years shouldn’t be able to fool anymore
This is the worst Manchester United squad in prem history. yet some play like that done give a crap.
They will probably turn up next week like they have been doing for years in the odd games.
And some on here will be singing there praise. I couldn’t care less if we win or lose, they don’t deserve to win anything this lot. And we are very lucky the bottom 3 and the teams that come up from the championship are so poor.
Sure Amorim has made his own mistakes but he deserves a fair crack at the whip before we start calling for his head.
Win or lose next week Ineos need to have a big window and he as ruthless with players sold as they have been with the people that have lost their jobs.
12 May 2025 18:51:40
Nou
It’s not about “like”, it’s that he has conviction in his way of playing and won’t change like ETH did, he has a vision. We have waited years for someone like this, knew there would be pain, yet now want to run away from it saying just get someone in who will bring back the SAF days.
12 May 2025 19:15:14
Red Man, I was expecting pain. But I'll be honest, I didn't expect it to be 16th or 17th in the league pain.
Like I said, I'm more than happy to give him the benefit of the doubt until he can get the squad shaped the way he wants, but let's not kid ourselves that he hasn't underachieved to a degree. The players might not be the best in everyone's view, but they're probably better than the players at Wolves, Everton and West Ham.
12 May 2025 22:55:14
I totally understand xG. Doesn't mean it’s not rubbish.
It is based far too much on subjective input and therefore totally unreliable in its output.
13 May 2025 08:46:46
You're just wrong Keefy. As someone who actually works with it, I can categorically state that. Apart from what I said earlier, xG also proves a more useful metric (with slight modifications) to predict future performance than goals output. Just thrashing it when the clubs that embraced it earlier like Brentford, Brighton and the likes are using it systematically and punching far above their weight is just plain silly. It is a major reason that clubs like United have struggled in recent years. If you actually paid attention you'd realize that behind the scenes a revamp of our data science department is happening exactly because of this.