23 Mar 2021 10:13:43
Most people seem to be concerned about the direction big the club. So I'll pose here some scenarios, which realistically are the some of the most likely scenarios moving forward.
Summer signings will go one of two ways.
Either the club will use the C.V. as an excuse to not invest significantly and the club will make one maybe two signings at most spending a maximum of 80m. Which is inline with what the club has spent when UCL qualification has been achieved.
Or the club will be a little more ambitious and back the manager with 3-4 signings, they probably won't all be first choice and most of us on here will probably disagree with most of them.
One thing we can be sure of is the club won't spend 200m on 5 top level signings. Which in reality is what this team needs to take them to the next level.
Once the summer window is over there really will be only two likely scenarios.
Either Ole will fail to drag this team with the new signings up to where the club needs to be. We will continue to struggle and he'll be sacked by Christmas or not long after.
Or Ole will somehow continue to defy the odds and get the results he needs to keep his job.
Anyone with ideas about the club suddenly changing how they do things. Hiring a top class manager who is well suited to the club, actually backing them and spending the money needed to bring in all of the first choice options, well scouted and ideal players. If this is what you hope then wake up you are dreaming.
1.) 23 Mar 2021
23 Mar 2021 12:07:55
We all enjoy doing our summer transfer wishlists, and we're always only a couple a signings away, or so we think.
I think the first scenario is right. I don't think think we will have a huge outlay on transfers. If the £80 million you're saying is our budget, I would hope we can get 2 or 3 players in instead of chasing a gallactico.
Hopefully the manager has a plan and players in mind to take us up a gear or two, because once the fans return. I don't think he gets away with the turgid football he produce at times. He will be entering his 4th year too.
It's time to make a title challenge. Would that be fair assumption?
2.) 23 Mar 2021
23 Mar 2021 12:27:57
For me whatever signings we do will not make any sense until we have ole as the manager. Can see us fighting for top 4 again and hopefully that will be the end of ole.
I just hope we don’t make a maguire type signing again. Coaching staff needs a huge upgrade as well.
3.) 23 Mar 2021
23 Mar 2021 13:01:57
Here's my scenario. Get rid of the imposter posing as a manager and hire someone who actually knows what he's doing. If we're worried that the club won't spend huge amounts of money on the so called superstars, then hire a coach who can improve the players. Leicester's team didn't take hundreds of millions to assemble, yet they're playing much better football than United. Why? Because they have a coach who knows what he's doing. Leicester has shown that if you do proper scouting then there a good players out there for reasonable fees and with proper coaching you can raise their games.
Most in here are clamouring over Ndidi, how much did he cost. Fofana, Soyuncu how much did they cost. I would choose those three over Maguire, Fred, Matic, and Lindelof any day. Yes the board doesn't provide the sums that we believe is needed to compete on all fronts. but they still provide funds. High time we start using it wisely.
4.) 23 Mar 2021
23 Mar 2021 12:59:59
As expected long posts, this one telling us Ole will be there next season and we won’t get another manager, grit your teeth, because that’s how it is. It the players and the board who don’t support Ole. I wasn’t sure about hearing that message before. Maybe.
All posts are so long, Is it a cut and paste from your Ole protection album? How many bots will like it today?
As with the masked singer, who is the masked poster, who is the poster called Shappy? Take it off, take it off, take off the mask and it’s.
Your guesses welcome, start with Ole’s agent? Or Michael Carrick, how about Mike Phelan?
5.) 23 Mar 2021
23 Mar 2021 13:06:22
Shappy, irrespective of whether we have 80m or 800m, what plan do you sell a player, how do you get them to join us rather than let's say Liverpool, City, Leicester etc. As someone joked earlier, Longstaff brothers would probably be the calibre of players that would be open to joining us. That may be Ole's 5th choice but that is what he deserves. More so after the treatment of Donny.
Ole needs to go NOW.
6.) 23 Mar 2021
23 Mar 2021 13:08:39
we don't spend when we secure ucl football
we spent next to nothing last season.
made sales and got rid of sanches wages.
the owners don't give a crap about what we win as long as the £s are still rolling in.
every summer we build it up and its just a disappointment
will be surprised if we make more than 1 signing and it will most likely be because we are forced to buy if someone is sold.
7.) 23 Mar 2021
23 Mar 2021 13:21:14
Great Post love United.
Do you think a better coach would have us with 10 more points this season?
Its impossible to say but I think in all probability they would. That would leave us a point behind city.
This squad can compete.
I would be more than happy to spend nothing sack the manager and get a proper one in.
I respect shappy has his opinion. But that's all it is. He portrays his opinion as fact but all ifs and buts scenarios.
Shappy has no inside knowledge. No itk contacts. No experience of running a football club no experience of building a squad no more than any of us do. No big business experience its just his opinion. All the stuff he dreams of going to sleep.
I like the debate but trying to come across as mr knowledable telling us all what's going to happen while covering all bases is futile because he has no idea. None of us do.
I think the club have chosen a path and gave a plan i'm happy to wait and see what they do.
They won't sack ole which is my wish and gut feeling so ill just have to hope things improve under him. I've no faith that they will but I'll hope.
The arrogance and ignorance to suggest that no manager can win the league at united till we get new owners is dumbfounding to be quite honest.
8.) 23 Mar 2021
23 Mar 2021 13:41:44
Not fair redman I know shappy and he is a real life person and a throughly good chap.
Capable of being a right idiot at times but who isn't?
9.) 23 Mar 2021
23 Mar 2021 13:43:26
Its the same pattern all over again. He is trying to show that Ole can't be judged unless he has 5-6 world class players to give us the edge against almost every team we play against.
Ole Gunnar Shappy is trying every day really hard to prove that De Gea Maguire Bissaka Shaw Telles Bruno Pogba Matic Lindelof were 4-5 choice because the board don't back the manager. Shappy think that the coach of our team is like national teams who just chooses the players. He wants us to have 3-4 Bruno in our squad to win us the matches but then if that's the case i can be the manager too as it won't make much difference.
10.) 23 Mar 2021
23 Mar 2021 14:06:05
Hi Ken
Fair enough on Shappy, he and I have our run ins, but you know him the person, that helps. Does he talk as much as he writes? . Actually even seeing someone on a video call makes it easier than a faceless forum. Just wish he would be concise and consider all aspects. For example, there is an option they change manager in summer. If Shappy is going to write thorough essays all angles should be considered.
As an example the latest rumour that there was a 3 hour meeting with Allegri in the US because several directors are not as keen on Ole as Shappy. Who knows if true, but it is an option.
11.) 23 Mar 2021
23 Mar 2021 14:20:28
Will a better manager have us playing better football?
Maybe, I mean you'd expect so. Just because neither LvG or Jose could doesn't mean someone else couldn't. But it's very not a given.
These are scenarios I want to happen, but realistic scenarios.
Who here seriously thinks the club will spend big money this summer signing top players? I mean could they even do it if they wanted to? I don't look around and see the expertise with proven top level people working to negotiate and bring in the top players. We have Coco the clown who'll just tell them about our commercial success and say "do you want to job at Disneyland? "
So from the transfer front we all know that we will have a list of 4 or 5 players we want, and the club won't deliver.
We will want a top CB and will probably get Tyrone Mings.
We want a top striker such as Haaland but will likely get Mandzukic.
We want a top class winger such as Sancho, but will be told that Pellistri coming back from loan will be like a new signing.
We'll probably also sign Rob Green as a back up to DDG after Henderson leaves on a permanent deal because there is no clear pathway for him.
We all want the best for the club, but surely if we have been paying attention and have learned anything from the past 8 years is that we won't get what we want.
Will they sack Ole? Not until he fails in their eyes not ours. If we play the most mind numbing football ever to grace a football pitch and finish 4th next season then Ole will keep his job. If we finish 5th he'll be sacked. Simple as that.
We don't have to like it, but it's the truth.
When they sack Ole, and they will (eventually) . What confidence does anyone have that they will make an inspired, sensible and we'll informed choice for our next manager. We have been told the club aren't talking with anyone else, nor do they have their eye on a potential next manager.
Which means when Ole gets sacked their will be no plan. It will be have a look around and see who is available. Maybe Southgate or Giggs have left their roles by then, maybe Phil Neville will have got bored at Inter Miami, maybe we could tempt Big Sam out of retirement, or Roy Hodgeson.
When has our club ever shown a desire to spend the money it takes to get a top manager out of their contract at another club?
We paid nothing for Jose or LvG who were free agents when we approached them. We paid a small fee for Moyes due to a clause in his contract. We ran a mile when Levy said a 10 figure sum for Pochettino, and paid a minimum amount to Molde for Ole instead as he was doing well at the time.
We will hire which ever manager is out of a job after we sack Ole.
The reality is this team for where we are currently is overachieving. Next season without serious investment the likelihood is we will slip back to where this team really is, or further.
I don't expect Ole to be our manager this time next year. I also don't expect us to sign great players this summer. Nor do I think the next manager will be an inspired signing. Everyone who is chanting "Ole out" now will be back on here within 2 years chanting for his successor to be sacked.
We will never be happy with our club under the current ownership as they're ambition doesn't even come close to matching ours.
I'm just ahead of the curve. I stomped my feet under Moyes, and LvG and Jose. I gave all of them a chance and then it all went south. In the end I wanted everyone of them sacked. I don't think Ole is a good manager. I just know it makes little difference as he won't be replaced with a top manager, and that manager will have to contend with the same rubbish as the last four. They won't succeed and we will turn on that manager until he is sacked and the cycle starts again.
12.) 23 Mar 2021
23 Mar 2021 14:21:10
Red Man for a guy of your supposed age you certainly lack maturity.
13.) 23 Mar 2021
23 Mar 2021 15:15:06
Buying 2-3 more modest targets seems more plausible at this moment in time than one of the biggies who are being banded about, ie Sancho/ Haaland/ Saul/ Rice. I imagine there are at least 3-4 who can also be axed, and hopefully that would swell the kitty a little, especially if a more desirable player is sold ie Pogba/ VDB/ Martial/ de Gea. I think VDB is most likely of those to go, simply as it isn't working. His face as he was dragged off on Sunday was sad to see. He was one of the jewels in that Ajax team not so long ago, and he's made no impact whatsoever. To be frank, the entire Manchester United midfield is an unbalanced, underwhelming mess.
Which 2-3 players would you imagine seeing in this scenario Shappy? Lots obviously depends on who leaves. The more Henderson plays the more likely it seems de Gea will move on, meaning a decent GK needs to come in too. Shame, as I'd be playing Romero all day long. Assuming its CB, CM and CF?
14.) 23 Mar 2021
23 Mar 2021 15:18:45
Shappy, why always with the scaremongering?
Why does the alternative to Ole have to be Giggs or Neville?
You always paint a picture that we're better with the devil we know. But that's not the case.
Honest question mate. You wanted Ole sacked after we lost to RBL. You posted here he needs to go. What changed from then till now that makes you go to the mattress for Ole?
Because to justify his posistion, you're using some peculiar stats and statements to blame everything and everyone else but the manager.
15.) 23 Mar 2021
23 Mar 2021 15:06:40
I give up that's a load of bolloxollogy. You havn't a clue what your talking about. Your not qualifying to be making those assumptions. Your just a man in his bedroom with little else to do obviously.
16.) 23 Mar 2021
23 Mar 2021 15:36:36
This team is far better than it is currently playing. We have seen flashes and some games when we look great. The fact the players are so inconsistent, the fact some of them have been played to death, the fact others haven't had enough minutes, the fact some are played in dead rubbers, the fact some are rested for huge games, these are all down to the Manager.
I think Ole has improved us but his recent pronouncements, league run, and FA Cup game have shown he is out of his depth.
We may well win the Europa League but it will be a one off and we will continue with this erratic form.
That's my take and I'm not saying it again as personally I'm sick to death of Shappy telling me why Ole needs to stay and Red Man telling me why Ole needs to go.
17.) 23 Mar 2021
23 Mar 2021 15:40:30
I think someone needs to use the Olesexual terminology to lighten this one up.
18.) 23 Mar 2021
23 Mar 2021 15:42:56
I have two points:
1. a smaller transfer budget might actually be a blessing. Going for the big money signings has been a disaster so forcing the club to better scout players could for less money could work better.
2. Solksjaer is very lucky there are no crowds at OT. I think if there were he would be gone by now; booed out of a job. United might be second in the league but it doesn't make up for all the other inadequacies and failures plus worst of all the goddam boring football.
Once Tuchel gets a full season and Liverpool bounce back, Solksjaer will struggle to achieve top 4.
19.) 23 Mar 2021
23 Mar 2021 16:48:50
Based on Tuchel's impact so far Chelsea may well be sat right where we are now had they appointed him a month earlier.
20.) 23 Mar 2021
23 Mar 2021 17:14:56
Bang on Spenno. We had a few of our resident experts laughing at them. Like us there were a laughing stock under the sentimental choice. But it wasn't the players it was the coach.
21.) 23 Mar 2021
23 Mar 2021 17:23:03
Mumbles, its only scaremongering if it scares you. So does it?
I'm not scaremongering, just pointing out that the reality is that once Ole is sacked, and he will be, what makes you so sure that the amateurs will hire the right guy, or even a competent one?
I've seen countless times on here loads of people saying that ANYONE would be better than Ole. So surely Southgate qualifies then?
You don't like what I'm saying because deep down you know I'm right. You know that the people in charge will make a poor decision, you know it because in the last 8 years all they have made is poor decisions.
You'll get your wish and Ole will be sacked. Most likely after a disappointing summer where none of our major weaknesses are addressed or if they are it will most likely be with an inadequate player. I can genuinely see us spending 50m on Mings and then it being paraded around as a successful summer and we have the "future CB pairing for England".
You don't want to accept it, but you know they will balls it up, they always do. I'm no clairvoyant, its like predicting the sunrise.
After RBL I was disappointed like everyone, I said Ole probably needed to go. I still feel he isn't cut out to take us forward long term. But he has us in second, while the performances are poor the results are mostly good and we are probably overachieving. Sacking him now with no plan, no direction just because we lost a game this week would be a poor decision. It's reactionary and the sort of thing that often causes more problems than it solves.
Ken, you might look like Jamie Carragher's dad, but you have as much inside knowledge as the rest of us, we are all just voicing an opinion. I try and base mine on something more than my wet dreams. Also my laptop is in our kitchen dining room, not my bedroom.
22.) 23 Mar 2021
23 Mar 2021 17:35:02
I think I said that shappy nobody had inside knowledge. But you write your opinion as if its fact based on your completely delusional (as you state above) feeling that your right
You will be right eventually as you contradict yourself so often. Your a laughing stock.
23.) 23 Mar 2021
23 Mar 2021 18:04:03
Well ken, we have a bet so we'll see who is right in the long run.
24.) 23 Mar 2021
23 Mar 2021 18:16:08
Why bother replying to Shappys waffling. He talks the same tripe every day.
{Ed014's Note - I love that old saying, “Less is more†maybe Shappy has never heard of it 🤷â€â™‚ï¸
25.) 23 Mar 2021
23 Mar 2021 19:08:38
Ed014 Only when it comes to paying taxes. bloody students🤣🤣.
{Ed014's Note - love it! 🤣🤣
26.) 23 Mar 2021
23 Mar 2021 19:21:01
I enjoy reading what Shappy has to say, he has more knowledge than some of you on here.
27.) 23 Mar 2021
23 Mar 2021 19:27:43
Oh yeah Singh because Red Man and co come up with new and interesting posts every day.
Oh wait no, just another Ole bashing 😂.
28.) 23 Mar 2021
23 Mar 2021 19:58:35
Shappy covering all the basses.
Anyways, it's 8 o clock and not one of you remembered my birthday! I'm off to drown my sorrows.
{Ed014's Note - that’s poor as mate, properly let down! 🤪 happy birthday young man! 🎂ðŸ°ðŸºðŸ¥ƒðŸ»
29.) 23 Mar 2021
23 Mar 2021 20:21:37
Happy bday mumbles. 🥳🥳.
30.) 23 Mar 2021
23 Mar 2021 21:16:21
Happy Birthday Mumbles!
31.) 23 Mar 2021
23 Mar 2021 21:34:31
Happy birthday Mumbles, I bet we can all guess what you're birthday wish is😂.
32.) 23 Mar 2021
23 Mar 2021 22:17:40
Thanks folks!
My birthday wish is for everyone to just get along.
33.) 23 Mar 2021
23 Mar 2021 22:19:31
Happy birthday Mumbles. Ddg gift wrapped for your birthday in what position I won't say😉😉😜😂. Keep em coming Shappy all our opinions are as valid as the next though I do have to add that i set aside at least an hour or 2 to read your posts 🤪😂. GGMU ðŸ‘ðŸ‘.
34.) 23 Mar 2021
23 Mar 2021 23:38:30
Happy bdayyy mumbllllyyyy.
35.) 24 Mar 2021
24 Mar 2021 00:03:36
While anyone who supports Ole is chased from the page, Shappy continues to post and practically the whole site turns on him and calls him a laughing stock. Seriously, what has he said that is so crazy?
Toys thrown out of the pram because we lost to Leicester in the FA Cup.
Olehaters will eventually be right, Ole will be fired because everyone will chase him out of town. But I suspect it may be some time yet, so be miserable or enjoy the ride. Be balanced or write the same drivel every matchday.
36.) 24 Mar 2021
24 Mar 2021 06:16:59
DB - I think the line where shappy believes this squad is overachieving is crazy. This team is much better than what it's showing.
And Ole won't be sacked because he will be 'chased out of town'. Ole will be sacked because he isn't good enough, let's have that right at least. He should never have been full time manager in the first place.
37.) 24 Mar 2021
24 Mar 2021 06:36:24
Dodgy
You said anyone who supports Ole like Shappy is chased from the page. Have you not seen that when I post an opinion or actually even post information that I have read, comments from ex players, sometimes without comment, Shappy and Jred are down my throat on every post?
What has Shappy posted that is crazy? Shappy supports Ole, writes extremely long essays that frankly are a repeat of previous posts, would not surprise me they are cut paste then amend slightly. The Crazy stuff is plentiful, the idea Giggs could be next manager is there to frighten us into continued support of Ole. It looks to me like if he can’t persuade you with long posts he will try to put fear into everyone the next manager could be worse.
38.) 24 Mar 2021
24 Mar 2021 07:21:08
Angel it's really quite simple, I would argue that in a "normal" season that City, Liverpool and Chelsea have a better starting 11 than us. So based on our squad currently in relation to our rivals I think we have about the 4th/ 5th best squad in the league, probably on par with Leicester's squad.
Yet when I look at the table we are second, above teams like Liverpool and Chelsea. Ergo we are overachieving.
Is that really that hard to understand?
39.) 24 Mar 2021
24 Mar 2021 08:19:53
No Shappy.
The manager should coach the players and make the squad better.
Klopp made players like Mane, Salah, Fabinho, Robertson, TAA super stars.
Instilled exciting style of play.
40.) 24 Mar 2021
24 Mar 2021 08:49:42
TRD, clearly there is a ceiling to what Ole can do, and it's clearly not a very high ceiling.
Yet I think it's fair to say several players have improved under him. Shaw is having his best season in a United shirt, Rashford has become a key player. McTominay has established himself as a first choice player and has improved his all round game, even getting forward and grabbing a few goals.
Very few players have regressed under Ole outside the few older players who you would expect to see a decline in.
The real difference between us and Liverpool (apart from the gulf in class of players) is that most of their key players are at their peak and play to a very high standard very consistently.
We have some very good players, but they are young and inconsistent. Some weeks they are an 8 or 9 out of 10 then the following week they are a 5.
Which is big reason for our up and down performances.
41.) 24 Mar 2021
24 Mar 2021 12:21:20
I don't agree with you shappy. I think this team, ran properly would be in the champions League, probably 10 points better off and possibly still in a domestic cup.
So it's underachieving IMO.
Is that so hard to understand?
42.) 24 Mar 2021
24 Mar 2021 14:01:01
Angel that's fine. In my opinion you have your red tinted specs on.
I see a squad of young talented players who have potential, but being young they will be inconsistent.
I look at Martial and see a player with enough talent to be a top striker. Last season he was great and scored 23 goals in an injury disrupted campaign. This season he couldn't hit a cows arse with a banjo. He was similarly up and down for LvG and for Jose, and that has continued under Ole. None of those managers were able to get him to perform regularly to a high enough standard, Ole has come the closet.
There are others who are first choice on merit, yet I still don't think they are good enough to be first choice for a title winning team (Maguire, Lindelof, Fred, McTominay, etc)
Would a different manager be able to get more out of this team in terms of aesthetic performance? Probably, would they get more out of them in terms of results? I'm not so sure.
{Ed077's Note - "I see a squad of young talented players who have potential, but being young they will be inconsistent."
"would they get more out of them in terms of results? I'm not so sure."
People said similar things when Lampard was still in charge of Chelsea. Tuchel replaced him and now they are much improved. I dont know what others would say but in my view OGS is closer to Lamps then TT in terms of managerial/coaching nous.}
43.) 24 Mar 2021
24 Mar 2021 15:01:33
In some ways the team overachieving. If someone sees the expected points table we must have had 49 points, on par with Braighton. So according to the expected points table we deserve to have almost the same points with Braighton based on performances. Also almost on par with Liverpool and West Ham and less than Chelsea and City.
So we are overachieving in terms of results and league position but this is bad for coach rather than good. Our players have the edge but the team doesn't play good football. On the other hand Braighton plays a lot better but they don't have the edge.
44.) 24 Mar 2021
24 Mar 2021 18:08:07
Ah you're twisting yourself in knots shappy, always covering your bases, I admire the graft but sadly, in all honesty, we just have a poor coach in charge of a good squad of players, capable of more. Sooner we all admit that, the better.