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20 Jul 2016 20:11:17
L'Equipe - Pogba deal done.
1.) 20 Jul 2016 21:19:40
I know it has been said before but to spend that sort of money on a player he would need to be able to change games single handedly and to date I haven't seen enough evidence of that with Pogba. Just hope he fulfills his potential.
2.) 20 Jul 2016 21:35:12
To be honest if this is the guy our manager said he needs at any cost then we have to trust him. I don't think he is worth that much but if we challenge for the title this season and it attracts other big names so be it. Come on United let's get back to the glory days.
3.) 20 Jul 2016 21:39:56
Some players win you games in a minute some win you a league over the course course of a season he is in the latter group.
4.) 20 Jul 2016 21:51:29
I know statistics can be manipulated to show anything, but there was an interesting piece in the Manchester Evening News which basically said that as a proportion of turnover the suggested Pogba purchase ranks only 3rd on the list of our purchases. Veron was the most cash intensive, followed by Rio and then pogba.
I personally think that buying both sanches and kante would have given us a better more balanced midfield and would have cost less. But ultimately it is Jose team and he will either succeed or fail based on his decisions. The glazers have obviously set a budget and old Jose is spending how he sees fit. At least the glazers and mr Woodward are giving him the best opportunity to deliver his objectives.
If the £200m war chest is to be believed there is still &35-40m left before sales of existing players to facilitate buying a new RB or CB.
If we add either or even both we really should be challenging next season. I don't expect it to be a guaranteed first place finish. I think pep has will add quality to an already good squad. Chelsea seem to be adding quality. It should be an exciting season.
Add to that the fact that the club name has been an ever present in all media for the last month with all the transfer activity we will probably sign more lucrative sponsorship deals given the exposure the name man Utd brings that will make the pogba purchase look even cheaper as a percentage of turnover.
5.) 20 Jul 2016 21:51:29
I know statistics can be manipulated to show anything, but there was an interesting piece in the Manchester Evening News which basically said that as a proportion of turnover the suggested Pogba purchase ranks only 3rd on the list of our purchases. Veron was the most cash intensive, followed by Rio and then pogba.
I personally think that buying both sanches and kante would have given us a better more balanced midfield and would have cost less. But ultimately it is Jose team and he will either succeed or fail based on his decisions. The glazers have obviously set a budget and old Jose is spending how he sees fit. At least the glazers and mr Woodward are giving him the best opportunity to deliver his objectives.
If the £200m war chest is to be believed there is still &35-40m left before sales of existing players to facilitate buying a new RB or CB.
If we add either or even both we really should be challenging next season. I don't expect it to be a guaranteed first place finish. I think pep has will add quality to an already good squad. Chelsea seem to be adding quality. It should be an exciting season.
Add to that the fact that the club name has been an ever present in all media for the last month with all the transfer activity we will probably sign more lucrative sponsorship deals given the exposure the name man Utd brings that will make the pogba purchase look even cheaper as a percentage of turnover.
6.) 20 Jul 2016 22:28:50
But now multiple media outlets from Italy saying Madrid back in and will match Uniteds offer.
7.) 20 Jul 2016 22:51:07
Di Marzio reporting Madrid came asking Pogba but he said he's already agreed with United. I expect a move by Madrid to save face must be a sad day for them not being able to financially bully every club anymore.
8.) 20 Jul 2016 22:50:26
Burnley, if LVG had said, I need 100m for Pogba - would you have trusted his judgement?
Regardless of the quality of the manager, and Jose IS quality, despite my personal views about him, 100m is still a ridiculous amount of money to be risking on a good player, albeit one with a tremendous amount of potential. He could just as easily end up with a career-ending injury in pre-season.
Personally, if I'm spending 100m, I spend it on two or three top players, or I buy Bale, or a Ronaldo from a few years ago. Not a promising talent, surrounded by a ridiculous amount of hype.
{Ed041's Note - but lvg had two seasons and a lot of money to prove to the fans he was making the right decisions and taking the club on. He didn't do that.
Jose has come in and said what and who he wants and again the club have got them if possible. Comparing the two is irrelevant I think.
9.) 20 Jul 2016 23:19:27
Ed, sorry, my point was meant to be more, how you rate the manager seems to determine whether or not you'll trust him with 100m. And it shouldn't. If LVG had wanted him at the start of his reign, would many on here have trusted him with it? The answer for me, is still no. To be honest, I wouldn't have trusted him with £100, but that's another discussion :) If he'd wanted to buy a proven star like Bale, then it might have been a different answer. Not if he was wanting to spend it on Pogba. A player I like, and would be a good purchase.
I'm probably being old-fashioned, but I expect a bit more for 100m+ than a good player with potential. There are any number of players in that category, who would offer much more value for money. He wasn't even the best midfielder for France.
And for all those who keep wittering on about how, 'it's not your money, get your head out of the sand, lads. It all has a trickle down effect in the end. And I always like a good laugh at Man Utd fans justifying it to themselves so easily, after spending the last lot of years denigrating Chelsea and City for spending silly money.
Yep. I'm an old goat :)
{Ed041's Note - so you would be happy to spend money and see how he does this season then back him next?
I keep reading people expect more for 100m well who? 2 Sterling's or Stones? 3 Andy Carrols? 1 and a half Lukaku's....? The going rate on players will always increase.
10.) 20 Jul 2016 23:27:49
Noucamp it's not my money it doesn't matter what I think. I am sure Man Utd can afford it with all these sponsorship deals around. I said I don't personally think he is worth it but I trust the manager and the club and you have to agree this transfer window has been handled a lot differently this year and I think we need to get behind the team and manager from right at the start.
I don't tHinksey it matters what I would have thought if LVG was buying because to be fair he spent a lot of money and won the fa cup in 2 seasons. Let's hope this year we can really have a go, I for one cannot wait for the season to start.
11.) 21 Jul 2016 01:31:45
I'm sure he will be insured Noucamp, don't worry to much about a career ending injury.
12.) 21 Jul 2016 03:14:57
Bale wasn't a proven star when he cost Real Madrid all that money. He'd had a couple of good seasons at Spurs and scored a few goals. Not won the league or an FA cup.
He could quite easily have been another Michael Owen for them. He did have potential and has fulfilled some of that potential. But don't make out like Bale was a guaranteed success.
13.) 21 Jul 2016 06:42:11
Bale was a game changer back then as well - that's what you pay the big money for. Players who can hurt you with their skill and pace. Most people who've watched him knew he was destined for the top even before then. I'd say he's fulfilled plenty of his potential.
How often have you seen Pogba change a game?
14.) 21 Jul 2016 06:50:32
We are 18 months away from possibly seeing a 150 mill player on the market in my opinion. so transfer fees are just daft -
If United get Pogba then there is your benchmark for a Bale or a Neymar . the Pogba fee + 30 million - football is just money daft.
Hammers linked with James Rodriguez at 50 mill, Everton wanting 50+ for Lukaku . Stones / Bomucci the same . Watford wanting 35 + for Ingallo . Place offering 30 mill for Benteke .35 mill for sissoko, . its not stopping anytime soon its just going up and up because of the money in the game.
Just reading a running back at Colarado rapids american football team signed a new deal . must guarantee him a minimum of 70 million dollars per year although the contact is for 104 mil dollars a year incl bonuses. and he is not the highest paid player! . who is to say what will be the norm here in next 5 years? When there is now billions in football why wouldn't clubs ask 45 million for a palyer we all know is worth 20 mill . its a game within a game now and fans can only look on at this new monolopy money world its become.
15.) 21 Jul 2016 00:27:57
Sorry, Ed, I don't know where you got that from. I've every faith that Jose is a top manager, and his track record means he doesn't have to take a year to prove himself to me. My point is because some on here rate Jose, they're happy to back his judgement, whereas the same people didn't rate LVG, and if he'd said he needed to spend £100m for the right player, they wouldn't have let him near the money. Even though LVG had a decent CV as well.
My argument is that it shouldn't depend on the manager at all. I couldn't care less who the manager is in this case - I still think 100m is too high for what we're looking at.
I hate estimating values of players, but for discussion's sake and off the top of my head, we could have had two or three out of a combination of any of the following - Kanté, Varane, Stones, Kroos, Matuidi, Draxler, Alli, Mahrez etc.
{Ed041's Note - I do get what your saying mate. 100m is a lot, but if mourinho feels that is the player he needs to get us challenging again so be it.
Good post by the way.
16.) 21 Jul 2016 10:25:18
I think we need to forget about figures. value for money is not something we (those not working in Uniteds commercial department) can understand with the way the club can market a player in seemingly infinite ways these days. The Glazers definitely won't be spending £100m for fun as they're clearly not that type of owner, so they must feel the price tag to be worth it United is one of the most recognisable and prestigious brands in the world. This price tag for most (if not all) other clubs wouldn't be worth it because they can't get the market exposure etc out of the player that we can and they don't have the operational income that we have.
17.) 21 Jul 2016 10:43:12
The difference between ourselves and city/ chelsea/ psg is that this is the clubs own money that's being spent and not some oil billionaires.
Would city have been able to sign aguero an yaya just using their own money?
Id rather see uniteds money spent than disappearing into the glazers back pockets or to a bank on interest on debt.
100 million is excessive but the same was said about Trevor Francis, shearer and Ronaldo.
18.) 21 Jul 2016 12:51:20
Mort, I don't mind spending the money. In fact, I don't think we've done it quite enough over the years, when needed. And I don't mind spending £100 million of the club's money either, on a proven world star (it does stick in the craw a little, to be fair) .
I do mind spending such a sum on this particular player, that's all.
19.) 21 Jul 2016 13:54:07
If the transfer does go through I can't wait to see the even more anti United articles in the Spanish press. Marca will be even more of a comic book than usual :)
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20 Apr 2017 20:00:32
Just watched the 2 interviews on Bt Sport with Zlatan and Carrick and I noticed they both mentioned the characters or the lack of them in the team. With what Mourinho has said publicly maybe some of our players just haven't got the right character and attitude for our team. I am really looking forward to the right signings coming in next year and getting shut of the players who are not fit to wear the shirt. Exciting times ahead I really do sense that we are heading in the right direction.
30 Oct 2016 23:47:43
I went on the game Saturday with my 7 year old son and every time we go its like magic. We go early so we can see the players arrive and see them get off the coach, we go the club shop and look at what we would spend loads of money on if it was no object and we take time to soak up the history around the ground.
Now this was a big game for my son as we are from Burnley and he knows all the team as I take him on the Turf too as he plays for Burnley and we have family ties.
We had a big discussion before the game about all the players he can't wait to see Pogba, Zlatan and Martial being the main ones. Something made me realise that the marketing circus we all get caught up in is mental! And me and the boy spoke about if you owned United now with all the money they make. (Even more loosing than winning) why would we change. This is a blip and teams better teams (apparently) Spurs and liverpool who . don't even get me started. Let's face it whoever win the league this year they're not going to be even close to as big a club as United and for one thing if it take 5 years to win the league again so be it. Like my son said on Old Trafford "don't worry Dad we will love United win, loose or draw, it could be worse we could be liverpool fans! #futurelegend.
1.) 31 Oct 2016 07:54:26
"Let's face it whoever win the league this year they're not going to be even close to as big a club as United. "
As a LFC fan, i beg to differ. If we do win the title this season (unlikely as it is), LFC will be right back on the top of the foodchain. Many on this page call LFC, Spurs, Arsenal, Chelsea fans haughty but then u lot go do the same. So much for hypocrisy.
Man Utd are not half the club u lot think u are without Fergie. Accept it, the glory days ain't coming back and Jose certainly is not the man for your club.
2.) 31 Oct 2016 08:55:30
Indian Buzzer your abit over dramatic about our glory days not coming back.
Why don't Liverpool bring out a song "26 years of hurt, we're all still delirious".
I mean if Liverpool had won a couple more titles in the last seasons or two then you may have been right.
TBH your nothing more than a hypocrite. In my eyes Liverpool fans still think thy only won the European cup last week.
The only thing we do have in common is that we have passionate fans who still believe and retain the hope of being the dominant club.
Fergie retired in 2013, it's only been 3 and a bit years. His team wasn't great when he retired. We wrongly appointed Moyes. Gill also left and Woodward was out of his depth ( he still might be? ) .
As a club us fans admit we've made mistakes. After 26 years of not winning the league, its you Liverpool fans who keep saying we're the biggest club in the world.
3.) 31 Oct 2016 09:01:08
So what does it take to be a big club Burnley red Mate if not the league titles? Lol some people makes me laugh. City are slowly and steadly easing past you FYR.
4.) 31 Oct 2016 09:36:22
haha you have been smoking the funny stuff haven't ya indian.
5.) 31 Oct 2016 09:39:59
indian-
you certainly know about glory days not coming back don't you!
A decent run and all of a sudden the bin divers are thinking of trophies in abundance . Gloat when you actually achieve success not just remember it.
6.) 31 Oct 2016 11:46:18
So sweetchin liverpool are a small club now aren't they, city are nowhere near utd on a global scale yet and will not be for a while, we are one of the 3 biggest financially city still need handouts from arabs.
7.) 31 Oct 2016 12:27:58
And we are back to talking about spending big and being financially mighty aren't we? Its all u mancs have got going for u. Man Utd is Alex Ferguson and without him you are just dross. Panic buying a 35 year old pensioner and a wannabe Steven Gerrard from Juve without any transfer strategy whatsoever proves my point.
Like it or not, your club continues to make the same mistakes LFC did all those years ago like buying the wrong players, trying to make a statement rather than concentrate on football etc. And u even appointed a washed up egomaniac to smear all that dirt on what Fergie built over the better part of 3 decades.
8.) 31 Oct 2016 13:24:06
I think everyone is missing the point is sweet chin music and actual honest to goodness city fan posting on here?
There have been more sightings of the Loch Ness monster than there have been city fans posting.
9.) 31 Oct 2016 14:58:37
deano i think he is a liverpool fan.
10.) 31 Oct 2016 15:11:16
Indian buzzer. You are full of yourself. What makes you think mourinho will not make it? Has he not won the league with Chelsea in three different stints? Has he not won the league with Porto? Or inter or Real? So what makes you so sure that he won't do it with United.
Looking at your team, excellent team with good spirit but you've only kept one clean sheet all season so this will catch up with you.
Enjoy the season and keep bragging as we love it when you lot fall flat on your face. Bring back Stevie G. Haha.
11.) 31 Oct 2016 16:21:49
Mad hatter yes fergie only retired in 2013 only 3 years ago an your into your 3rd manager? Fergie started the decline it's just got worse since.
Schmid we Wong bring stevie g back but you may try an coax scholes out of retirement?
12.) 31 Oct 2016 17:46:47
My bad common I'm getting confused there are more "rival" fans than united fans on here atm lol.
13.) 31 Oct 2016 18:25:13
Who allowed Harry (sweet chin) out from the Liverpool page? Sorry chaps, we will try to keep him locked up in future! 😉.
{Ed041's Note - harry is on the united page and hes not the most embarrassing of the Liverpool posters today..... I didn't think it was possible but Indian has took that mantle lol
14.) 01 Nov 2016 05:05:50
How is calling Man Utd FC as Alex Ferguson FC embarrassing for me? Its cold hard truth, not fiction. Get over it.
15.) 01 Nov 2016 00:26:34
Haha edd 41 your not even a good edd your number 41 haha.
{Ed041's Note - I know im waiting for that promotion. The man is keeping me down.
13 Jul 2017 23:51:05
£26 million WTF if United have agreed a deal it would have been for £40m at least. Teams take advantage of us way too much and if he went there for that fee it was obvious he wanted to play for Barcelona not us.
24 May 2017 23:10:32
Maybe 9/ 10 now!
16 Mar 2017 22:23:16
I want Lyon or Schalke get them out of the way. I do not fear anyone in this competition. You have to beat the best to win!
20 Jul 2016 23:27:49
Noucamp it's not my money it doesn't matter what I think. I am sure Man Utd can afford it with all these sponsorship deals around. I said I don't personally think he is worth it but I trust the manager and the club and you have to agree this transfer window has been handled a lot differently this year and I think we need to get behind the team and manager from right at the start.
I don't tHinksey it matters what I would have thought if LVG was buying because to be fair he spent a lot of money and won the fa cup in 2 seasons. Let's hope this year we can really have a go, I for one cannot wait for the season to start.
20 Jul 2016 21:35:12
To be honest if this is the guy our manager said he needs at any cost then we have to trust him. I don't think he is worth that much but if we challenge for the title this season and it attracts other big names so be it. Come on United let's get back to the glory days.
15 Mar 2017 12:48:18
I understand everyone has an opinion of the lad and that's fair enough but come on guys! Let's get behind the team and support our players not make them feel unwelcome on their first season.
Fans on here do let us down at times and everything gets blown out of proportion. I believe Paul is the first big future signing of many under the boss and if our fans treat players like this the only type of players we will attract are the ones for money.
We are a team from on the pitch and off it. I trust the boss he will lead us onto the right path and I trust in his decisions on the players he brings in.
Happy birthday Paul!
30 Dec 2016 23:32:37
He hasn't stepped up enough. If Everton get 30 mil then great deal.
03 Nov 2016 20:10:39
This is going to be a tough ride. Mourinho needs the right playears and I don't know if the squad is right or anyway close. I would say De Gea, Baily and Pogba are the only 3 he knows he would pick week in week out the others could all be replaced.
16 Jun 2016 20:04:16
Would anyone fancy Dier at United? He is a fan. He looks like a good Carrick.
16 Jun 2016 20:02:55
I didn't get to watch the match but my dad said he hasn't seen a more dominant team for years. How many shots how much possession? I suppose like us all season lol.