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27 Mar 2020 12:39:47
i just don't see the season being finished. The government are building field hospitals with several thousand beds in them, things are going to get a whole lot worse before they get better. There is a a wave of fatalities coming, and whilst the lockdown will hopefully reduce or slow the spread, its just a temporary hiatus, as soon as movement starts again cases will rise.

The thought of any major sporting events taking place in the near future is laughable, I can't see games being completed.

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27 Mar 2020 13:39:00
I said over a month ago that the season won't be finished. Not that I take will take any joy in saying I told you so. We just need to understand this is so much bigger than a game of football.

Thousands will die in this country, while hundreds of thousands will across the globe. This event will mark a generation.

Our government were slow to act and started off with an ill-advised plan. Within weeks we will see tens of thousands dead in the UK. While this will go on for much longer than a few weeks. We are likely looking at 3-4 months with isolation measures. And even when they are lifted mass events are unlikely to be allowed to happen for a month or two after that.

To be honest I doubt we will even see the start of next season start on time, and could even see games played behind closed doors until 2021.

27 Mar 2020 15:28:47
This season is done, i doubt the next season will start before september or october.

I think it is time to take the sane step and just dissolve liverpool fc. Since inception of premier league that team has come close to winning the title thrice.

1st time a up and coming coach who looked like he could join the ranks of the greats got his career tanked in a way that the poor guy could never recover.

2nd time led to a fall that made sure that one of their greatest player will always be remembered for an event he and the liverpool fans would forever want to forget.

3rd time they had no challenger who could realistically beat them to a title and lo behold we have a global pandemic that stops them from winning the title.

I shudder to think what will happen the next time they get so close, world war 3 aliens meteor strike?

27 Mar 2020 16:58:07
Shappy, let me just say this.

Stick to football, there are 3 things you've said up there that aren't even remotely true and it's contributing towards the spread of misinformation.

As someone who's lost 2 relatives in Spain and someone who's immediate family are working with the NHS it's absolutely crucial that you're saying things that are factually correct at this stage.

A lot of people have died because of misinformation, your opinions are contributing towards that.

People take your opinions on sport serious and thus some will take your opinions on what's happening around the world as fact.

I'm okay with opinions and data twisting when it comes to football arguments but when it comes to this everyone who isn't qualified should not be broadcasting an opinion.

I hope staying safe at such a difficult time.

27 Mar 2020 17:48:48
I think a lot people stopped taking Shappy serious a long time ago.

27 Mar 2020 20:09:50
Unfortunately AJH I think your right, sport has to be on the back burner as it can’t take up valuable resources.

Maybe esports have the biggest opportunity they will ever likely receive?

When this is all over we are going to get a torrent of abuse, but the right decision needs to be made for the health of people.

I think if training can’t get back underway by May with a mid May start then that’ll be that.

But if someone said before this you need to sacrifice the title to save 1000’s of lives, there really is only one choice.

27 Mar 2020 20:48:13
well said wyred.

28 Mar 2020 11:19:33
Moon, which three things have I said that are FACTUALLY untrue?

I am sorry for your loss; this illness will touch everyone in some way or another. My 86-year-old Grandad is in the ICU in Bristol with Covid-19 as we speak. My mum has got symptoms and she is in the high-risk category and has been told to go to hospital if her condition worsens.

I also have friends and family in France, Italy and Spain. Our friend in Madrid told us nearly two weeks ago that the hospitals there are turning people away as they don’t have space, they are prioritising the young and fit over the old and people with pre-existing medical conditions.

They have also turned an ice-rink into a morgue as they don’t have space. This isn’t just idle gossip or hearsay; this is first-hand from a Spaniard whose mother is a doctor in Spain.

Our government did initially get it wrong, that is why they have done an about turn on the absurd “herd immunity” plan, which was more about saving the economy than lives.

As for the information I am going off, all of it has been stated by the government. They have said thousands will likely die. The have created four emergency hospitals with 12,000 beds, while the NHS have reconfigured their hospitals to create an extra 33,000 beds.

So, between them they have created an extra 45,000 beds, they wouldn’t do that if they didn’t know they are going to need them.
Chris Witty said in his original address that as much as 80% of the population will likely contract the illness.

He then said that current figures suggest that 30% of people who get it will require hospital treatment, while he said that 5% would need intensive care. He wasn’t clear on whether that was 5% of the people who get it or 5% of the people who need hospital treatment. If it’s 5% of the total who get it and 80% of the population get it then that’s 3.2m who would need intensive care treatment, if it’s 5% of the hospitalised people who will need intensive care that is still 256,000.

China have been on lockdown for 2 months, first locking down on 23rd January. However, it is unclear how to move out from lockdown. If they just lift all restrictions, then the virus will likely spring up again and a further lockdown would be needed. Discussions are on going about how best to do it. With staged release from lockdown likely, how long that will take is anyone’s guess. But is likely to take months.

I have used clear language where my opinion is used, words and phrases such as “likely” “I doubt” clearly indicating that these are my own views.
The truth is even the experts don’t know, and many of the things they have suggested have cost lives. “Herd immunity” for one, or that the young are fairly safe which has given young people the idea that they are safe. Yet now the idea of viral load has proven that being young doesn’t necessarily protect you.

Viral load for those who want to know how it works is the idea that the amount of virus that gets into your system has a big effect. For example, if you are in a large space say a park with very few people and one of them has the virus and you breathe it in then you might only get say 6 virus organisms. They take between 4-6 hours to double, so after 6 hours you have 12, then 24 after another 6 hours, then 48 etc.

However, if you go to an enclosed space with lots of people say a supermarket, and in that space, there are 10 or 15 people shedding the virus then you might breathe in 100 virus organisms.

Then in 6 hours you would have 200, then 400, then 800. It takes a certain about of time for your body to create antibodies to fight of the infection, if you have a large dose of the virus then it multiples too quickly for your immune system to create enough antibodies to fight it off and your body becomes overwhelmed and starts shutting down. That is why a 21-year-old with no pre-existing issues has died. Because the information given out by the government allowed her to feel that she was safe from it.

Everything I have written states how big of an issue this is and why following the social distancing is so important. It was not me that kept the schools open, or the pubs. That again was the government more concerned with how much this will cost rather than what is best to save lives.

{Ed033's Note - Here is some info put out by the government:

"As of 19 March 2020, COVID-19 is no longer considered to be a high consequence infectious diseases (HCID) in the UK" - From Uk Gov web site

28 Mar 2020 14:32:56
I think people should stay away from Government of the Country issues, especially Shappy.

In terms of the virus, there is no vaccine, no cure and once it got out of China mass infections were always going to happen.

Our Government have to weigh up the whole position, make decisions at the right time, base it on medical opinion.

Meanwhile amateurs with no knowledge of what is happening think they know better and run the country their way whilst sat on their sofa.

No more than football clubs can be run by Jonny from Bedford because he has played FIFA 19, than can decisions on the country be made from Shappys front room.

Please keep this to football or set up a political dissident page.

28 Mar 2020 14:43:13
Shappy; “ This isn’t just idle gossip or hearsay; this is first-hand from a Spaniard whose mother is a doctor in Spain. ”. 😂😂😂. Define hearsay 😂.

28 Mar 2020 17:26:10
I’ve never encountered anybody so in need of being right (and quite frankly, full of sh*t) as you, Shappy.

It was on March 9th (feel free to check the ‘Banter 9’ page if you’re having trouble remembering) that you were telling us all how people were overreacting and that the coronavirus would be no worse than seasonal flu.

“ If every single person in the UK gets it, then around 6400 people will die at most.

This year in the UK
160k will die from Heart disease
140k will die from Cancer
62k will die from respiratory illnesses
2k will die in road traffic accidents
1500 will die as victims of crime”

For the love of god, please stick to your usual drivel of criticism Jose and praising Ole, because you clearly have no idea what you are talking about.

29 Mar 2020 08:10:28
Well that escalated rather quickly :-)

29 Mar 2020 10:34:42
I love how the current situation has totally stopped the "Ole out brigade" from having their weekly rants about sacking the manager. So they now feel the need to take the polar opposite opinion to all the posters who would rather not sack the manager just to get their kicks🤣🤣🤣.

29 Mar 2020 12:19:13
Whereas you appear to have polar opposite opinions to. yourself.
Did the wind just change direction again? 😂.

29 Mar 2020 13:36:13
Funbt you say that shappy, my eldest is a nurse just outside of Madrid.

As per usual everything you've just said has been completely. Made up by yourself.

I can categorically say without a shadow of a doubt that Spanish Hospitals around the capital are not ignoring the elderly.

What a stupid thing to say.

If you anything about anything you'd know half of the doctors surgeries around Spain have been turned into medical centers solely for those they seem vulnerable.

You're honestly a disgraceful human being.

29 Mar 2020 14:54:14
Moon, that is totally uncalled for I might disagree with peoples views but name calling just reflects poorly on you.

I am not lying and I have not made this up. This was first hand information given to us by one of the people who is currently locked down in Madrid. This person is a dear friend and attended our wedding a couple of years ago. Her mother is a doctor and has told her what is happening in hospitals in Madrid right now.

They are not ignoring the elderly, but if they have to choose then between two patients when there is only one respirator then they are choosing the one most likely to survive. Which is more often than not the younger patient. Our friends mum works in Málaga but has friends who work in Madrid as she trained there. Our friend was asked by her mum to take specific care of her grandparents as her mother fears for them if they do catch it.

I don't think you are a bad person, and I hope you regret getting personal. In my opinion you are a good poster who always gives well thought-out opinions. I will say I'm a little disappointed by your response.

{Ed047's Note - appears to me that you bring a lot of this on yourself Shappy and you would be better off not commenting on things unless you know it first hand.

29 Mar 2020 15:08:29
Ed047, I was on the phone with someone who is in Madrid right now, someone who lives there and is Spanish and understands the language and culture. I trust them and they are well placed to know what is happening there.
Some people are just spoiling for a fight, they want to argue against some posters no matter what they say. That's fine, I accept that is all part of posting on a banter site. I just think it's a poor indictment of a person when they feel they need to resort to personal insults.

{Ed001's Note - if you say so. But your whole post smacks of ignorance and you are just spreading hearsay. I doubt if anyone you would know would be in a position to actually know what is happening there. They would need to be in a governmental position to have that sort of knowledge. As for this reply, you have literally just said what any doctor would do in any lifethreatening situation which is pick the one most likely to survive. My grandad was a paramedic (the UK's first and was the one responsible for training all the early ones) and had to make these kind of decisions on a daily basis. This is just you adding 2 and 2 together and coming up with a load of crappy unthought out bull as a consequence.

The Spanish are not deliberately ignoring the elderly, they are following standard practices when there is a shortage of either equipment or people to use it. First priority always goes to the most likely to survive. Do you think it is any different to any other emergency? Do you think if there are two people bleeding out they ignore the one who has the highest chance of survival while concentrating all their resources on the one with little to no chance? That is why working in the emergency services is so hard on people, they can be called on to make life and death decisions every single time they are at work. For you to suggest that they are deliberately choosing to let some die is a disgrace. They would save everyone if they could.}

29 Mar 2020 15:13:20
Got to agree with Ed047 who gives sound opinion and advice re your last Shappy.

29 Mar 2020 19:37:38
I do not regret getting personal when you're spreading made up lies about my country's treatment of my relatives.

To you these are just words, to me you're insulting the hard work my country is putting in to save my family just as the NHS is working hard here.

I do not care about anything you have to say.

How dare you disrespect the men and women losing their lives in this war.

29 Mar 2020 20:54:05
It's not made up, and I am not disrespecting anyone. I have a friend who is Spanish and in Madrid. Tough decisions are being made in the toughest of circumstances. My point was about expressing how bad this situation is and the consequences of not respecting the issue.

Every person who is suffering from this has my sympathy. My own Grandad has it and at 86 doesn't look likely to survive it. My mum has it and is in the high risk category.

The idea that people think we are weeks away from normal life resuming are living in a fantasy land. This will get a whole lot worse yet before it gets better. The fact that our own politicians have come out this evening and said normal life is likely to be 6 months away highlights this.

{Ed001's Note - so you think spreading lies about how the Spanish are ignoring the elderly and leaving them to die is not disrespecting anyone? I would hate to see what you consider disrespectful then.}

29 Mar 2020 21:52:53
Ed001, here is exactly what I said

"I also have friends and family in France, Italy and Spain. Our friend in Madrid told us nearly two weeks ago that the hospitals there are turning people away as they don’t have space, they are prioritising the young and fit over the old and people with pre-existing medical conditions. "

Where have I said they are ignoring the elderly? I have said they are priorising young, which is as you say best practice.

I wasn't disrespectful.

{Ed001's Note - you are spreading hearsay and rumour trying to suggest that something different was going on. Just give it a rest.}

30 Mar 2020 01:39:38
+1 for Shappy here. Witch hunt.



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