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10 Mar 2020 09:17:40
'Jesse lingard looks set to be sold by Manchester United after losing the faith of the manager, that's despite the player believing he is one of the best no 10s in europe' Goal via Daily Mail. 😱🤦‍♂️😂.

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10 Mar 2020 09:57:54
Well as one of the best No.10's in Europe he will have no problem finding a top club to sign him.

Personally I think Lingard is a great squad player. He works hard, makes space for others, and is an intelligent footballer.

That said, he just isn't productive enough to start every week for a side hoping to compete for top honours. His form over the past year has been average at best.

He is the kind of player you want against top sides where you will have to work hard and maybe aren't expected to be on top for the majority of the game. Similar to how we used to use Park Ji-Sung. Lingard actually has a good record of scoring in semi-finals and finals. And I might be right in saying has scored more goals against other top six sides than Lukaku managed.

But if he doesn't want to play that role and he wants to play every week then thanks for the hard work Jesse and I wish you the best.

10 Mar 2020 10:40:33
Have read that he’s got many things distracting him off the pitch, can’t be easy for him to cope with it all.

Think it’s time for him to ha e a fresh start somewhere else.

10 Mar 2020 11:38:02
Wallace, I read that too. I have every sympathy for him, it can't be easy. We all assume that earning huge amounts of money somehow makes your life all happy and rosy. If half of what I've read is true then it must have been a tough year.

I have no ill will towards him, and would wish him the best. If he ever came back to play against us I would give him a little cheer and show appreciation for everything he has given the club.

That said, if we bring in a couple more forward players in the summer then I don't see Lingard getting many games. At 27 and actually a very good player that would be a shame. So I can see why he would want leave and get back playing every week. As you say he might also need a fresh start given his personal circumstances.

I'm not sure I agree with his assessment that he is one of the best No.10's in Europe. I think both Bruno and Mata offer more creativity, while Gomes has more potential just in our squad. Let alone the rest of the EPL. English No.10's probably better than him include Maddison, Grealish, Mount, Alli, Barkley and Oxlaide-Chamberlain.

10 Mar 2020 11:42:27
Definitely. its best for everyone at this point if he moves on, don't want him to become the pantomime villain and face the type of abuse he got last week.

10 Mar 2020 11:50:35
had to laugh at one report. were it said he wants to make his brand bigger than beckhams and ronaldos. he must live in his own plastic bubble. i would of thought e should try playing football better first instead of his brand.

10 Mar 2020 14:57:59
The problem with Jesse's family problems is that one never knows when they will come to an end and when Jesse will start playing football up to his own standards. Many people experience difficult situations at home but are still required to perform at work. Maybe a new start somewhere else would help by providing a change in routine. But if he is taking care of so much at home in Manchester, where can he go? What are his options? Is he going to uproot his siblings? At least he has the financial wherewithal to do so.

10 Mar 2020 15:07:50
Couldn't agree more Dazw. He is useless. For a no10 he's had no goals or assists in over a year. So I'm afraid i don't agree with Shappy's view. Just because he run around a lot (achieving very little) does not make him a good player.
Look at the stats, they're as bad as they get.
Issues distracting him are a joke, he should deal with them instead of messing around with fashion brands.
Everyone has issues in life, but most people get on with them and work hard at the same time.
Solskjaer has been excellent at dealing with the slackers and trouble makers, and Lingard certainly fits the bill. Over to Raiola to get him a move to a big club, good luck with that.

10 Mar 2020 15:58:35
AAA, first off that's ridiculously harsh. I think most fans because we have all played football at some point seem to think being a professional footballer is easy.

The fact is performing any sport at an elite level consistently twice a week without ever having an off day or seeing your performance drop is near on impossible.

Are you suggesting that there is no variation in the quality of the work you do? This you deal with it mentality is why men have a ridiculously high suicide rate. This idea that you can never struggle and you just get on with it. His mum has serious issues and now a 27 year old lad has to bring up his two younger siblings. And you think that's a poor excuse for him not performing at an elite level.

Most of us would probably struggle to deal with the pressure and expectation that comes with being a professional footballer, let alone do that in the public eye under media scrutiny while our mum has mental health issues and we have to take over looking after our younger siblings.

20 years ago if a player had a bad game or two you'd just go "fair enough, hope he picks up next week". Fans nowadays are demanding a player is dropped or sold after a bad 45 minutes. Performances are overanalysed, and decent performances are picked apart.

Look at the several different ways NDombele's performance at the weekend has been picked apart. On one hand he had the best pass success rate, most passes of a spurs player, etc. Yet then his sprints and distance covered are looked at, for which he was bottom of the pile.

Lingard is a facilitator type player, he makes himself available, he makes unselfish runs to create space for others. His performance in theory makes others better.

I'm not a huge fan of the assist stat. In no other walk of life would your working performance be based on someone else successfully completing a task. I prefer the key pass stat if I'm honest.

Now I'm not saying Jesse is a great player. But he is more than decent. My issue is that in a game he could play 4 or 5 great balls to our strikers, laying it on a plate for them. But they are having an off day and they miss them all. Likewise Maguire boots a ball clear which Rashford picks up on the halfway line then runs up the field, beats 4 players and smashes an unbelievable strike into the top corner. Now Maguire gets an assist but Lingard gets slated.

Also the only players I judge based on goals scored are strikers, who are generally there to score goals.

You also don't seem to appreciate that there are different styles of strikers, wingers, full backs and No 10's. Along with every other position on the pitch.

TAA and AWB are two of the best young English RB's, yet both have vastly different approaches to their role and have hugely different skills as a RB.

10 Mar 2020 17:13:12
I don't post much but had to on this one shappy your calling people out for over analysing which is your trade mark, also do you no that lingard has managed to only create 18 big chances in 133 premier league games compare to say De Bruyne who played 146 games creating 87, Dele Alli 153 games 44 big chances i'm sure you can see were this is going. lingard has got to be the least productive no 10 in the league just because he has issues people are forgetting about he has never been good enough don't get me wrong if you want someone running around like a headless chicken he is one of the players you want, if you want a match winner/ changer or someone to contribute to the side he is not the player if you look at all his statistics he is pretty much well below average in every department over his 133 league games except for running around.

10 Mar 2020 17:44:03
i have a little sympophy over his family siuation. but he is in a privalaged position where he can afford help for his sibblings and family. i feel more sorry for kids who are missing school and childhood having to help mothers and farthers who are ill who do not have money or help. he dose not do his self any favours when you see he is more conserend about his brand. shappy for somebody who dose not like certain stats you sure use a lot in your posts.

10 Mar 2020 18:55:36
Dio, first off I'm honoured that you felt compelled to respond to my post.

So, I am fairly self aware, and I know I over-analyse most things. It's mostly part of my anxiety, that drives my compulsion to look at things over and over again in case I've missed something.

However, I wasn't calling anyone out for over analysis, just merely pointing out that in this modern world especially in football that players live under a ridiculous level of scrutiny. While sympathising that it can't be easy to live with that level of scrutiny.

I have never said Jesse is a world class player, so comparing him to one in KDB seems a mute point. I agree Jesse isn't a great creative No.10 and to most people the key thing for a No.10 is to create.

However, not all players need to subscribe to the usual ideology of their position in order to be an effective player.

Jesse Lingard does excel at some things, unfortunately what he does excel at is a little harder to quantify with traditional statistics. His "headless" chicken running might seem just like that. Because he often runs off the ball and then doesn't receive it. However, what he is doing is dragging one or two players away with him when he makes those runs, which creates space and gaps for others. Which can indirectly create chances, something much harder to measure.

He isn't a player you need in every game, but he is useful in certain games, and as he has been the player to step up in key games scoring winners in cup semi finals and finals and in games against top 4 rivals.

10 Mar 2020 21:39:36
It is not a bad game or two, it is many many games for more than a year.

Lingard is awful, end of.

11 Mar 2020 00:26:17
Shappy, lingard has been nothing short of disaster in his no10 roll. Bruno has created and scored more in 5 games than Lingard has done in 2 years. He is rubbish and that's a fact.
Will we see a queue for his services from the elite clubs? No chance. Running around like a headless chicken is not what football is about. Watch Xavi and Iniesta and you realize you don't have to be a marathon or sprinter to be the best at football. Lingard is an unintelligent player, he has the attribute of being able to run for 90mins, but he doesn't know what to do with it.
Finally, during 2 years when his performances have been truly abysmal, he seems to be concentrating more on his fashion label and social media than his football. Call me old fashioned, but I think he's got his priorities completely wrong. Football first, fame second, I think Mr Lingard might have these the wrong way. And sadly, I can't see that changing.

11 Mar 2020 02:01:58
I'm sorry Shappy, but if your best trait is getting out of the way of others- you are not top half epl level.

We were pretty good with players like Darren Gibbson and Tom Cleverly in the team. So, I agree that players can be role players. But it is time Jesse moved on, and I have no idea at all who might take him.

11 Mar 2020 08:05:32
Lingard flatters to deceive. You would have to question his work ethic and his attitude. We've needed him to step up and he has failed to do that.

Allow him to move onto pastures new. I find him rather immature and petulant. He needs to grow up. Pat him on the back and wish him well at another club.

{Ed047's Note - I always felt he was initially a bad influence on Rashford too

11 Mar 2020 09:46:03
So many people have got their knickers in a twist over Jesse and most of it seems to stem more from his activities off the pitch than those on it.

AAA, I have explained why he can be useful and how that can be of benefit to a team. You either seem unwilling to listen or unable to grasp the concept so I don't see much point in discussing it further.

Only that Sir Alex, Moyes, LvG, Jose and Southgate have all seen something in Lingard that was worth their time and effort to work with him and at times make him a key part of their side. So I guess all of them must be a terrible judge of a footballer.

I agree I think its probably best for all involved that Jesse moves on. However, when he does who will pick up the mantle of homegrown player the fans want to hate. Fletcher, Evans, Welbeck, Cleverley, even McTominay and Rashford have taken stick at times.

We have an odd fan base that seems to HAVE to have a homegrown player they need to blame all the defeats on. Now it's Jesse.

11 Mar 2020 11:09:10
Shappy I don't think people are failing to grasp "your opinion" about him its just the fact most all disagree with you and your failing to grasp what most people see, I thank you for pointing out his running pull players I do see that being an ex semi pro football player my self and coached a bit I understand the game quite well, but a top football player needs a lot more to him than being able to run for 90 minutes speciallly now that every team has worked him out let him make the runs don't need to track him as he will either get the ball and give it straight back to them or send it into the stands and I don't think people have issues with homegrown players you just fabricate some BS to argue with when people don't agree with you which is quite childish to be honest mate. I think he has never been good enough he just gets the chances because he is homegrown you mention SAF and Moyes I may be wrong but didn't lingard get in the team in 2016?

11 Mar 2020 11:56:49
Dio, both Sir ALex and Moyes saw a player in Lingard and chose to keep him and send him out on loan because they thought once he filled out he would be a good player. Lingard was in the same youth team as the Keane brothers, Larnell Cole, Ravel Morrison, Ryan Tunnicliffe and Paul Pogba. All 7 had been allowed to leave long, yet Sir Alex and Moyes felt it worth while keeping Jesse.

It was thought that Jesse's intelligence, movement, technical ability and work rate meant he would be a success once his body filled out and he could compete with fully grown men.

Quotes from Sir Alex in 2012,

“Jesse Lingard is going to be some player”,

"He is 19, came through our youth system and is built like Jean Tigana was for France. But he never got into the limelight there until he was about 24, and I think that will be the same with Lingard. ",

“He will become a player when he’s 22 or so. As an attacking midfielder he has got a really good talent. I think he will be a player we have high hopes for, definitely”.

Clearly a player Sir Alex rated all the way back in 2012.

Which a coaching background then surely you will be aware that football is just a game of creating space to play in. The side that does it best will normally win. No player no matter how great can do anything when space is denied them. The very best are able to make half a yard of space for themselves. Messi or Ronaldo for example can be marked by two or more players yet are still able to make enough space to find a clever pass or get a shot away. I suspect most of your coaching sessions would have been built around the idea of creating space, be that though creating overloads, stretching play, pushing sides back with pressing, or drawing them out. It's all about the manipulation of space on a football pitch.

Jesse Lingard is a player who when on form can create space for others. That said his form has been going downward over the last year, how much of that is down to his family situation and how much of it is down to his focus on commercial deals who knows. I think it has reached a point now where a move away would be best for all parties, it might reinvigorate Jesse's focus on football, while it will open up spaces for other players at United.

11 Mar 2020 12:06:01
Just to pile on; Lingard is pants. Sorry Shappy but this guy belongs nowhere near Manchester United.

11 Mar 2020 22:01:43
Shappy i don't care what fergy said he was wrong in fact he couldn't have been more wrong, there is no ability in lingard none he isn't a good footballer his touch is bad his vision bad his passing ability atrocious. You mention intelligent movement I fail to see that as his movement doesn't do what you claim. there's a diffrence between good movement and some one who just runs around with lingard I don't think he got a footballing brain at all an we are far far worse team with him in the starting 11.

11 Mar 2020 22:44:29
Dio, Lingard is nowhere near as bad as you think.





 

 

 
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