04 Sep 2023 07:57:20
My thoughts on Sancho

ETh through out his tenure has never really publicly said anything about individuals and always backs them to the ire of fans, who think many of these players are not good enough.

He will criticize bad performances as a team and even when a player makes a howler he will say we made mistakes that we cannot make and never names anyone.

This is quite unusual for him to single someone out and I think a lot more going on behind the scenes and he is at the end of his patients with Sancho. I believe his united career is over the minute they can move him on.

Pep has publicly called out plenty of his players and last year did it to KDB and Foden and cancelo was just sent to the gallows for whatever reasons.


I am a big fan of eth and can clearly see what he is trying to build and needs time and resources and the clubs situation is making it harder to get there faster.

I don't think its even a debate when it comes to any player or the manager. No team will ever be successful if players think they can challenge the manager in the public space. Fergie proved that and was a serial winner.

Finally I watched a recorded session of five with RIo and a couple of guys on it earlier today.

Howson who is local Marconian said something along the lines that Sancho has had off the pitch issues, attitude problems even during his city days and that's why they got rid of him. Then he mentioned something about last summer but he did not want to divulge it. Not doing a character assassination but wondered what he was talking about.

1.) 04 Sep 2023
04 Sep 2023 10:09:30
Couldn't agree more Ahmad. The club is in absolute disarray. I suffered United in the 70's but this is levels below that period. There just isn't anything going for ETH at the moment. I suspect there is an awful lot behind the scenes in terms of player and wider employee dissent. However, he seems a very strong character. If given time, and strategic owners, I believe he will create a new era of dominance for United.

2.) 04 Sep 2023
04 Sep 2023 10:11:13
My thoughts on Sancho were the same last year. Sell him. Same thing all over again this season. He was sent to Holland last year. He didn't learn from it. 350 grand a week. A joke of a contract. whoever gave him that should be sacked as well.
Now there's a lot more issues in the side. Evans that was religated with leicester. and his buddy Maguire. That's hard to believe that them 2 are at the club.
The owners the board why are they still there at the start of this season. should have been gone at the end of last season. They have to go . yesterday one change from last season the keeper. And I'm not convinced by him either.

3.) 04 Sep 2023
04 Sep 2023 10:20:35
ETH is clearly in the right when it comes to Sancho, he's tried everything to coax out the quality in sancho, even given him time off when we were struggling in attack last year.

The only problem ETH has is the Brazilian fidget spinner, if he keeps persisting with him when he keeps putting in awful performances it won't be long before the favouritsm card is played and disharmony is spread amongst the squad, kind of like Maguire under Ole.

Hopefully Antony improves with Hojlund up top as a focal point but surely he should be next to Sancho on the bench if keeps on performing poorly.

4.) 04 Sep 2023
04 Sep 2023 10:56:10
Sancho will be gone in January, if not sooner if we’re lucky enough for a Saudi club to come in for him.

This manager does not suffer fools. We saw it with the player at Ajax who publicly challenged ETH, and he never played for Ajax again.

Frankly, Sancho has done next to nothing for us. I wouldn’t be sad to see him go and see more of Pellistri who might not have Sancho’s natural ability but looks full of energy and wants to be involved.

Hard work beats talent….

5.) 04 Sep 2023
04 Sep 2023 11:42:35
So a player who the manager works with all week wasn’t picked for a game

Was asked why he was out and he replied about the level of his training is why he wasn’t picked and everyone is in uproar.

Maybe rashford garbancho Antony and pellestri all performed better than him in training?

Didn’t hear wan bissaka moan and cry when he wasn’t being picked and he got on with his job he’s been paid millions to do and worked his way back into the team

Sancho played 26 games last season was also sent away because he wasn’t at the level to do some extra work, he’s had plenty of game time under ten hag and plenty of chances since signing to which he’s under performed

This narrative of oh he’s just picked him out and there is more to this than meets eye is nonsense

Roll your socks up work harder and work your way into the team, earn your 300k a week.

But it’s no surprise that yet another manager has commented on his training, it happened at dortmund it also happened with England.

6.) 04 Sep 2023
04 Sep 2023 11:44:01
I'm with ETH on the Sancho issue and so should everyone else be from the club to the fans. Amhad, totally agree with the Fergie comparison, it was Fergie's way or your on your way.

Whenever I have watched Sancho play, he is far too easy to disposes, very weak on the ball, hence the ETH comment about not putting in the hard miles in training.

I think it was redseven further down the page suggesting that Martial is being picked week after week over Sancho! are you sure, if only Martial ever stayed fit that long.

Yesterdays match, I thought our game plan was good and we kept it tight to frustrated Arsenal, a few decisions that may have gone for or against us but that is football, as much as I hate the result I'll just have to suck it up.

I thought Antony played quite well, I think he has improved on last season and to be honest, not sure why he is so often slated on here. I also thought Dalot had a decent game, kept Saka quite and Erikson was decent as well. Bruno as much as he frustrates me, with his many loose passes as well as his histrionics, he does put in a shift and has decent moments.

7.) 04 Sep 2023
04 Sep 2023 11:44:55
Funny how when it was Ole it was all his fault, but with Ten Haag, the club and upper management are the ones to blame.

Regardless of one’s thought on Sancho and his performances, what exactly do we as a club gain from Ten Haag calling him out publicly? If he was trying to light a fire under him and get him to up his game then he clearly doesn’t know his own player. If he was trying to send a message to the rest of the team, what message is that exactly? Perform or I’ll drop you… unless your name is Anthony (Martial or Antony), in which case, I’ll start you every week regardless of whether or not you’re putting in a shift.

Now we’re left with an unhappy player on £350k who will probably never play for us again and cannot be sold for at least another four or five months, at which point, we’ll only get a fraction of his value because he won’t have played for months and any potential buyers will know that we’re desperate to sell. If Ten Haag wanted Sancho gone, he should have found a way to make it happen before the window closed. We could probably have traded him for Gravenberch.

8.) 04 Sep 2023
04 Sep 2023 12:27:24
Like Antony or not he works hard for the team, Sancho never has. I csn see why he picks one over the other. Sancho is lazy and a lot more clueless than even Rashy at recognising the trigger.

I am hoping Hojlund will sort this as he not only can recognise the trigger but presses with commitment and speed.

9.) 04 Sep 2023
04 Sep 2023 12:39:17
@Redseven that's probably the worst reply to an OP I've ever seen on here. So many holes it's not even Swiss cheese.

10.) 04 Sep 2023
04 Sep 2023 13:17:01
Red

You work with what you have and most who have taken a major role will attest to this. You can't retool or change an organization overnight whether its people, habits, culture, systems, procedures etc etc

We play martial because until yesterday he is the only central forward we had. Playing Rashford down the middle actually is a last resort as you take you best player and make him less effective.

I stopped watching games during most of ole tenure as I could not support a manager which has zero gravitas and looked lost and players turning the place into a rudderless ship.

I do agree not playing Sancho will only drop his value. There has to be a lot going on behind the scene for eth to publicly come out and say what he said.

My opinion of Sancho is he not brave and does not enjoy the physical nature of the pl and needs time and space and more open game, which is not going to happen in this league. Skill wise very skillful.

The other stuff about swaps with Gravenburch is just fantasy league statements as Bayern had zero interest in any wingers and were in the market for DCM.

Ed002 confirmed this numerous times there was very little interest and those that were interested wanted a loan and we would have had to cover a big chunk of his wages. He will be very hard to move on unless he agrees to take a sizeable wage cut or us paying him a big chunk of money, which at the moment we can't seem to afford.

Its plain as day and we all know the financial restraints of the club but you and few others here just ignore that facts and somehow like to lay the blame at the manager.

Ole signed Sancho, Maguire, DVB, Ronaldo and bunch of other stupid and strange stuff like jones contract extension, baily contract and maybe DDG extension if I recall.

These are the core group of players we have been looking to move and if you tell me ole did not want them and the club forced them on to him, then he was more useless than I thought and should have walked.

Comparing ole and eth is a bit comical imo.

11.) 04 Sep 2023
04 Sep 2023 13:28:23
And yet you’re unable to respond to a single point? Name definitely checks out.

12.) 04 Sep 2023
04 Sep 2023 13:41:18
Redseven you’re talking rubbish. Many people over the last few years have questioned some of the players effort and commitment, I’m sure yourself included. If Sancho, after being dropped consistently and I’m sure talked to privately about his effort, still hasn’t responded then the manager has every right to call him out publicly. What do you want him to do lie and cover for him despite the fact for 3 years now he has stolen a living at United and never looked like improving under 3 different managers? I swear people like you will twist anything to have a pop at the manager and push your little agendas. The manager was absolutely right in calling Sancho out and hopefully this now will speed up his exit from the club. The guys a disgrace.

13.) 04 Sep 2023
04 Sep 2023 13:46:25
You’re absolutely right, Ahmed. You work with what you have, which is why I find it a little confusing that some people are absolving Ten Haag of any criticism because a few of the squad are not his signings. Every manager that joins a club has to deal with players that the previous manager (s) signed. Most don’t have the luxury of signing 16 players during their first 14 months at the helm at a cost of €450m. That’s more than teams like Brighton have spent on their entire squad, despite most of their budget coming from player sales.

For us to have spent that kind of money and only taken 1 away point against fellow top-ten sides is embarrassing, as have some of the performances during that dire sequence. I suppose you could that Ten Haag didn’t want those players and that the club forced them on to him, but that would be a little hypocritical of you given your comments about Ole.

I’m not saying that Ole was the right man for the job nor that Ten Haag isn’t, but don’t understand why one can do no wrong while the other is talked about as if he were a talentless clown. This who Sancho situation is just another distraction from the fact that the football at the moment just isn’t good enough, and Ten Haag has to take some of the blame for that. Dare I say it, he should be looking at ways to improve the situation, not publicly criticizing a player who has performed no worse than the rest of our current squad as of late. If anything, I’d say he was one of the better performers from our recent tour.

14.) 04 Sep 2023
04 Sep 2023 13:59:17
I did you just don't like the reply. We would have moved him if there was a real offer.

What does he gain from that statement. Maybe same as making them run 13k last year and after that we saw a different team.

finally, maybe seeing things, which he decided to put a stop to it asap and not allow it to fester and become a bigger issue. I suspect something has happened behind the scenes with other players being aware of it and no one was surprised he was left out.

Sancho is a silly young man releasing that statement.

15.) 04 Sep 2023
04 Sep 2023 14:28:15
ETH sees Sancho every day in training.

Sancho was sent away to work on his fitness and mental state.

We gave the player a standing ovation at OT when he returned to the team at the start of the year.

More than 6 months on and the player STILL isn’t putting in the hard work.

No doubt there has been several conversations behind the scene between player and coaches about what is expected, just like there should be for any employee in any role.

This type of behaviour cannot and should not be defended. Every fan of every club who spends money to watch football has the right to demand the players put in maximum effort. It should be the minimum requirement but unfortunately we’re living in an age where we’ve got to tread on egg shells around cabbage-brained brats, a lot of whom seem to have congregated at our club.

The culture needs to change and ETH is the man to rip the guts out and build a proper mentality, built on the standards he always speaks of.

As most on here have stated, the club need to fully back the manager. The player has rightly been hung out to dry. Good riddance to lazy YouTube reel footballers who are stealing a living.

16.) 04 Sep 2023
04 Sep 2023 14:41:06
Spot on ge888.

17.) 04 Sep 2023
04 Sep 2023 14:41:15
That one liner was in response to another poster, not yourself. My bad for not making that clearer.

I agree that Sancho’s response was only ever going to make the situation worse, but can you really blame the lad for standing up for himself? Ten Haag is singling him out to distract from the fact that our performances this season have been terrible; mostly due to his own tactical failings like trying to play a midfield three of Cas, Bruno, and Mount or deploying Rash through the center rather than on the left wing. Sancho is absolutely right when he suggests that he is being used as a scapegoat.

There’s a huge difference between criticizing a team for their poor collective performance and singling out one player and questioning their work ethic on live television rather than handling the matter internally.

18.) 04 Sep 2023
04 Sep 2023 15:27:14
It all sounds like something pretty standard that has snowballed due the way ten Hag delivered the update and then further by Sancho's response. Top players miss out every now and then for minor discipline breaches (think Rashy himself did not too long ago) .

19.) 04 Sep 2023
04 Sep 2023 15:32:57
Redseven the manager didn’t “single him out”, he was asked a specific question about Sancho by a journalist (who in my opinion was fed some information, likely by Sanchos agent) . The manager honestly answered the question, and was not harsh, he just explained there are standards set in training and if a player doesn’t live up to those standards then they will not be selected for games. Sanchos response on social media is a disgrace. He’s never been a “scapegoat” for this club. He’s been criticised but nowhere near on the level he has probably deserved. We’ve all hoped it would work out for him as there is obvious talent there, but his dedication, commitment, effort, and now obviously professionalism has let him down. As far as I’m concerned I hope to never see him in a United shirt ever again.

20.) 04 Sep 2023
04 Sep 2023 15:42:49
If these players were in the real world many would of been sacked for laziness lack of effort and complete utter cry babies

Can’t stand how football and society in general has gone over the last 25 years

Your not allowed to say anything these days for fear of upsetting some do gooder.

21.) 04 Sep 2023
04 Sep 2023 16:31:36
Pogba vs Jose. How did that turn out?

22.) 04 Sep 2023
04 Sep 2023 16:38:19
Redseven has to be the best name for a utd fan ever.

23.) 04 Sep 2023
04 Sep 2023 16:52:21
Without wishing to sound like an aul fart again, it used to be if a player was called out he'd try extra hard to show the manager he was wrong. Now, they go running straight to their social media accounts to try and control the narrative. It's a weak mindset from a player who will in all likelihood, have played his last game for the club. How could the manager trust him to do a job, and fight for the cause?

24.) 04 Sep 2023
04 Sep 2023 18:53:57
It’s nice to see Sancho show some fight for the first time in his whole career here, shame he’s soft as melted butter on the pitch.

25.) 04 Sep 2023
04 Sep 2023 19:11:18
Noucamp that’s because it’s 2023 and it’s the way society as now gone, I see someone mentioned Fergie would have done this or that, Fergie would never ever be able to manage in 2023, them days are long gone I’m afraid. I have said a lot worse about Sancho, but you can’t go criticising because forget the player your harming the club in its revenue it’s asset, if he don’t want him as he don’t want McT he don’t want McGuire that’s fine, U. K. you have to face the consequences of that, remember Ten fell out big time with our new keeper, that’s only a matter of time till that resurfaces again, even the put Ronaldo with minutes to go, just to prove a point is a bit childish and shows how naive he is and not learning that fast in my opinion.
You can’t Blame Ole when it suits, blame Woodward when it suits blame Murtough and Arnold and not blame Ten who let’s be fair made his fair share of mistakes too.

26.) 04 Sep 2023
04 Sep 2023 20:30:25
Trafford, I don't think any manager is without fault. But I'm prepared to give them all a chance.

27.) 05 Sep 2023
05 Sep 2023 07:36:56
Fergie couldn't have managed in the style he dis in the early 90s but then Fergie was also no fool. The same way he famously adapted his behaviour to deal with Eric he would have adapted to modern times. The Fergie of 2012 was a differemt Fergie to 1986, the hairdryer was used less often as many of his players have said. Thqt being said He also however would have drawn a line in the samd with which if a player did cross there would be no coming back where and when it was necessary.

In terms of Sancho, he has done this right before an international break, that he is mo longer a part of due to his poor form. This isn't a stor outside of the United fanbase, it will be dealt with internally and without the media focusing on it because they will turn their attention to international teams, and to be blunt Sancho isn't a story of interest, he is another footnote of a poor transfer policy story that has so many chapters now its become laughable. That story can be rehashed every time there is nothing better to write about.