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12 Mar 2020 07:55:05
Klopp sounding super salty last night, regardless of the style of play Atletico executed their plan well last night. Oblak was immense.

Great Liverpool team but hopefully that should put to bed the comparisons with our treble winning team!

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12 Mar 2020 09:02:41
He's nearly always salty when they lose, unlike jose though he does it with a smile so nobody cares.

12 Mar 2020 09:22:24
Good Liverpool team. Great teams win doubles and legendary teams win trebles!

12 Mar 2020 09:40:27
I wouldn't expect any manager to be happy when they lose.

You often find those who are bad losers often tend to be more successful. Not being happy to lose is what drives them to be successful.

That said Klopp was pretty self aware and said he was just being s bad loser.

As much as I don't want to like him, he does seem like a genuine and funny guy.

That said, I don't think there is anything wrong with the way Atletico played last night. It's not a way I would like to see United play. Yet it is a valid way to play.

There are effectively two ways to approach coaching a side. You either focus on how you can score, or on how you can stop your opponent scoring. Atletico are a world class team not based on their offensive displays but on their defensive ones.

12 Mar 2020 09:53:22
That’s true Shappy there might be two ways of winning but it is so much harder to create then then to destroy that’s why people like Pep and Sir Alex who want to play on the front foot and beat teams are so great for me. Managers like them will always be regarded higher then any manager whose ethos is to defend first.

Simeone, Mourinho are not tactical geniuses or anything of the sort they just get a back 4/ 5 to sit and break (like the lower league teams do against the top teams) so their might be more then one way of playing and they are within their right to do so I hope no manager of Utd wants to play that way again.

12 Mar 2020 10:46:46
A little less hatred for Jose would do you no harm mnk397. Did that "not genius" Jose beat great Pep's Barcelona when Inter won the CL? Was that a tactical masterclass?

12 Mar 2020 11:01:55
I admit I do not like Mourinho at all but what I say is true. No that was not a tactical masterclass at all I said it is so much easier to coach players to sit in a shape then to find patterns of play and attack teams and open them up.

He played Barcelona the same way any lower league team plays a top level team but with better players. Parking the bus hitting on the break is not tactical genius.

12 Mar 2020 11:11:06
mnk397, I totally agree and most of the managers considered among the greatest ever have tended to be more expansive managers. I think being able to over come adversity and teams that sit deep and play physically by playing great football is a far better narrative.

That said, when all is said and done there will be few managers who win more than Jose has won. So there is definitely something to be said for being able to shut teams out and play a great defence. You also have to appreciate just stopping teams scoring is only half of it. Jose might set up his teams not to concede, but he wouldn't win a single game if they couldn't score goals as well.

It comes down to personal preference, I think most fans would prefer to see their team win by playing great offensive, entertaining football. But then there are teams that have never won anything, I'm sure they would be more than happy to win the league or a cup by playing the Jose way.

Some people are only in it for the winning, so are happy to sacrifice being entertained as long as they can brag to their mates that their team won.

For me the difference between someone like Simeone or Mourinho compared to Pulis and Allerdyce is that the former two are better at getting more out of their players and have had chances at bigger clubs. Tactically however, they are very similar.

12 Mar 2020 11:31:21
You are right Shappy but i'm a hopeless romantic when it comes to football and Man Utd and I want it all I want to see the Utd 08 or brazil 1970 or Brazil 02 I want to win but I want to do it in a certain manner. can't help it.

12 Mar 2020 12:16:07
Mnk, think you are being unfair. That indeed was a tactical masterclass. Just going gungho isn't tactics. If that were, we wouldn't have been outclassed by the same Barcelona team (that Jose beat) in the CL finals of the subsequent year when we were managed by the greatest of all time.

Fair assessment Shappy. People tend to forget his Chelsea teams who blew everyone away, they were hardly defensive although their strength did lie in the strong defence of Terry, Carvalho and Cole.

12 Mar 2020 12:21:29
me too mnk397. I would rather watch us play great football and win 7 out of 10 games 3 or 4 nil then draw one 3-3 and lose one 5-4. than win all ten 1-0 with boring park the bus performances.

10 goals and none conceded or 28 goals and 8 conceded.

12 Mar 2020 12:49:11
Shan UNITED boy i don't know if i'm typing it incorrectly or you are reading something that's not there. patterns of play breaking teams down is what i'm typing here and going gung ho is what your reading!

12 Mar 2020 14:53:37
Loll Shappys got another Mourinho basher.

Football goes in cycles and look at Peps team now they are not as good as 2 years ago.

Either that is because their players are tired and not motivated to work hard or teams have understood how City play and are more comfortable playing them.

Mourinho will be very successful soon and he isn't yesterdays man. No matter what you say he is a born winner and still has a lot to give.

12 Mar 2020 15:38:10
Singh, what do you think Jose is going to win at Spurs?

I think City are just coming to the end of a cycle. Their best players over the last few years have been Kompany, Fernandinho, Silva and Aguero.

Kompany was the leader and he's gone. Silva is leaving in the summer while both Fernandinho and Aguero are over 32.

City still have some great players, Laporte (who has been injured most the season), KDB (who has struggled with injury over the past 18 months) and Sterling. Look like genuine world class players.

While Bernardo Sliva and Mahrez can be deadly when on form. As can Same who has been injured all season.

Still a great group of players, who can annilate anyone on their day. But they haven't been able to get anywhere near the consistency of Liverpool this year. Which is more to do with the form of Liverpool than the decline of City.

The UCL ban if upheld will hit them hard. As they will lose 3 key players at least and they might struggle to bring in the players needed without UCL, especially if Pep leaves. That said I fully expect them to get it overturned.

{Ed002's Note - Manchester City are actively working on bringing players in to the club to replace those leaving and retiring - I would not be writing them off at all.}

12 Mar 2020 15:44:06
Singh you can win playing the dreary football he plays course you can its just not welcome at Utd.

Sir Alex used to say every team has around a 3 year cycle then needs changing/ refreshing and Pep has got to that point with his team. Poch got there but they never spent any money to help him refresh his team instead they changed him and practically did nothing now they got Mourinho in who is not going to coach the players better and Levy barely spends any money so how is his ‘time’ supposed to come back?

12 Mar 2020 16:14:47
Why isn't it welcome at United? Mo wonder we aren't a big club or should i say a succesful club at international level. We revel at being a big fish in a pond and we aren't even that now. 2 CL titles in my living memory and the sole reason is that other ways of playing football and winning aren't welcome at United. Nonsense.

12 Mar 2020 16:26:55
So Real Madrid would sack a manager despite winning because they didn’t do it in an attacking way same with Brazil yet they are still the most successful teams at both club and international level. It’s a question of standards I am 10000% saying I want to win I want to do it in that way. Imagine being so big that winning is not enough that’s the mentality Brazil and Madrid have they look for excellence and success follows.

I think you are missing the point a small club would be happy with anything surely the biggest and the best want more?

12 Mar 2020 16:47:58
Exactly the point mnk. As a big club we want more yet just 2 CL titles. You are comparing a Real team that won more CL titles in the last 5 years than we have in 50. Are Pep's teams always entertaining? No. Do they win? Yes. At the end of the day its what you have in your trophy cabinet that counts. Spurs are one of the most entertaining clubs. What do they have to show for it.

12 Mar 2020 17:05:46
What’s the debate here I am saying winning and winning with style is what I want to see every time but I never once substituted style for not winning I want it all! I don’t want Pep if he can't win and play with style I don’t want Mourinho if he can't win and play with style.

I realise the standards that I want are almost impossible but that’s what I want in my team. This is going to sound pompous to almost every fan out there but winning at clubs like Utd and Barcelona and Madrid is a given requirement doing it with style is the job for me. Winning is equivalent to playing for me I expect to win everytime I realise its not achievable all the time but that’s what you strive for.





 

 

 
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