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10 Mar 2020 21:40:24
Julian Nagelsmann has often been described as the new "Mourinho". That can often just be lazy writing, yet in this case there are shades of similarity.

Well either way the new Mourinho is currently schooling the old Mourinho.

Jose is a great manager, while few will have the same level of success. Yet it's ever more looking like he is yesterday's man.

The modern game has changed and evolved and sadly Jose doesn't look like he has adjusted with it.

I hope he has at least one more last hurrah. But if you're a club trying to look forward and be progressive I don't think Jose is your man.

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10 Mar 2020 23:39:54
I really wanted jose at united, but imo it became obvious he was outdated .
Since his last season at Chelsea he has looked outdated, that's not to say he hasn't done a good job .
It just seems football has moved on and his philosophy is looking more and more outdated.

11 Mar 2020 00:13:55
As of right now, Man Utd are the only club Jose hasn't won the league with. We're the stain on his record. If we had of backed him in the transfer market and let him get rid of the players he wanted, who knows what would have happened?

I wouldn't be writing him off yet. If Spurs back him they could be dark horses in the league next season if they keep everyone fit.

He's a fantastic manager, seems like a really nice guy off the pitch. Had a great connection with our fans and you enjoy the man struggling?

11 Mar 2020 07:22:40
I very much enjoy watching him struggle. In fact I enjoy watching him wallow in his mire. I NEVER wanted him anywhere near Old Trafford. His 'record' becomes insignificant when compared to his reprehensible behaviour at times.

Why our great club sullied our name to employ a person who would approach the coach of an opponent FROM BEHIND and attempt to gouge his eye is completely beyond me.

The great Sir Bobby Charlton warned that JM wasn't the right man for United. The board should have taken his advice. That's just a single example of the 'man' that is JM. We almost sold our soul in the hope of glory when we employed that egotistical maniac.

So fair to say I am no fan despite the success he has had in the past. Yesterdays man. be gone with him.

11 Mar 2020 08:58:28
I actually wanted him as manager and he had to be better then LVG? I thought JM would get us back to the top and if he had of been backed who knows but I was wrong, very wrong.

scoobydog is more far sighted than me, as now I know, it was a poor decision to employ him. It was all about Jose and Jose, players being told publicly what they had done wrong, how many times did he mention he'd won the prem?

11 Mar 2020 09:37:20
Mumbles, I don't enjoy watching his struggle, in fact in my OP you can see i clearly state I would like to see him have at least one more last hurrah.

For what its worth I think Jose would have been successful at United if he followed directly from Sir Alex. A squad of winners, with experienced players would have suited Jose's style.

However, I think Jose changed while at Real Madrid, he became sulky and sullen. Quick to anger, or quicker to at least. Far more defensive and guarded, less friendly and less banter.

That lead to the Eva situation at Chelsea that ultimately lead to his downfall there. He then came to us without really wanting to be here, just saw us as a paycheck until the next job he fancied came along. He fluttered his eyes at PSG and it didn't happen.

In the end his style and the timing of his arrival made him a terrible fit for us.

He is still a very good manager, one of the best, but clearly on the decline. The football landscape has changed while Jose hasn't really adapted to it.

I think he is more suited to manage sides that are seen as underdogs, or to have a go at international management. I think his style is well suited to knock out cup competitions, so international football should suit him stylistically at least.

11 Mar 2020 10:11:36
IMO Mourinho hasn't been the same manager since he and Faria parted ways. Maybe Faria saw it coming and Jose wouldn't listen.

11 Mar 2020 10:41:28
Just my personal opinion but I'm not convinced his tactics are outdated just yet. Defensive organisation and solidarity is often the bedrock of any successful team. There is only one way to play football and that's the winning way. No point in playing pretty triangles or scoring lots of goals if your don't win football matches. Fans want to see their team win and I haven't read a single thread yet that was disappointed with our result against City despite not seeing the ball for long periods. Lose that game and you don't have to be a betting man to predict this site would have been full of posters calling Ole out for being negative, out of his depth and playing an outdated brand of football. Results matter despite what some would have you believe.

I'm no expert but Jose's recent struggles appear to me that he can can sometimes find it difficult to really motivate and inspire his team. Players used to run through brick walls for him, he once turned Samuel Eto into a winger. His players loved him. They shared and mirrored his hunger and desire to win or die trying. His teams were often just mentally stronger and more resilient and never knew when they were beaten.

I think Jose can be successful again but he almost needs to surround himself with players that have the right character and mentality. What Jose needs are men of war. Players that take responsibility not make excuses, players that will sacrifice themselves for the team and often play out of position, players than can take and understand criticism, players that want to train hard everyday without distractions and players that simply want to win and improve. Once he gets the right characters and develops the necessary mentality within the squad I'm sure success will follow.

11 Mar 2020 11:09:25
I don't think Jose will win anything with Spurs, he certainly won't win the league as Liverpool and City are miles ahead of them. While Chelsea are as well. I think us, Spurs and Leicester are around the same place, Decent first 11, but lacking squad depth. How all three add to their squads in the summer will dictate a lot about what happens next season.

For me Spurs would need about 5 or 6 top class players to push for the title next season. With Levy in charge of the purse strings I can't see him sanctioning the 200-300m that would likely cost.

I think Spurs need to rebuild their entire defence, they have Aurier as their best RB, Davies as their only LB. While Vertonghen will leave in the summer and Alderwereld looks like he is declining and is struggling to stay fit. At bare minimum they need a couple of CB's and a RB, while a rotation option at LB would be useful if Rose leaves permanently.

NDombele hasn't been the success they want in central midfield, with Dier, Winks, Sissoko, Skipp and Gedson, solid players but none look quite at the level to lead a title winning midfield.

When everyone is fit they have a very good front four, with Kane, Son, Bergwijn and Lo Celso. Depth in the wide areas is decent with Lamela and Moura good cover. Ryan Sessegnon hasn't lived up to his billing yet. But they have no cover for Kane and an over reliance on him.

So, need a first choice RB, 2 CB's, a commanding CM and a back up/ rotation option for Kane. While maybe a back up LB.

I don't see Spurs challenging for the title next year, how long will Jose last before it all blows up?

11 Mar 2020 11:58:59
DLIB, when I said his style I didn't mean his playing style but his management style. Being solid defensively will never go out of style, you really at a fundamental level only have two choices, a defensive side or an offensive side. There are a million different ways to do either. But essentially all you are doing is setting up your side to score or to not concede. Obviously you aim to do both, but you will focus on doing one before the other.

Simeone plays in a very similar style to a typical Jose side.

For me where Jose has failed to adjust is in his ability to connect and inspire modern footballers. You even hear occasional lines form Jose something along the lines "I don't understand why this player does/ doesn't do something", or "I need players who'll do this for me" etc. I think more than ever Jose needs an assistant manager who can inspire the players and motivate them, as he seems to be losing that.

Watching last night with Jose leaning against the advertising hoardings looking at a loss as to why his players aren't dying for the cause. A lack of fight, drive and determination from Spurs last night. Which is the exact opposite of what you would expect from a typical Jose side.

Tactically I don't think Jose is being out thought. I do think more managers are wise to what he is going to attempt to do and as such are better prepared for it.

His tactics are not particularity nuanced or revolutionary, strong back four, no more than one full back pushing on at any one time. play with two holding midfielders, let the front three find space when your team have the ball, but the wide players need to work hard and stay in shape when out of possession. A strong centre forward who can hold up play and act as a target man. Sit deep and narrow only giving space in the wide area, look to counter quickly and make the most of set pieces.

What set Jose apart was his ability to get the absolute maximum out of his players. That is what he has lost.

11 Mar 2020 12:09:34
He was the wrong man for Utd from the outset. He doesn’t play attacking football he doesn’t promote the youth (unless forced) he willingly belittles his own players in the media anyone recall him moaning in preseason because he was having to play the younger players basically what he is doing with the spurs players now.

I don’t know what others think but at utd you rather win 4-3 every week then 1-0 its all about winning but in an attacking way.

People were staying away when he was manager I remember countless times getting texts to buy tickets to the matches which never really happened before. I hope he loses every game possible for spurs sick of the sight of him rocking up to a club spreading his negativity and leaving with a massive pay off.

11 Mar 2020 12:32:20
Agree mnk397.

11 Mar 2020 17:17:40
"There is a tide in the affairs of men, which taken at the flood, leads on to fortune. Omitted, all the voyage of their life is bound in shallows and in miseries. On such a full sea are we now afloat. And we must take the current when it serves, or lose our ventures. "

Unfortunately for Jose his tide went out and I really don't think it's coming back in again.



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