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05 Apr 2020 11:06:44
Just seen this on BBC Football rumours section.

Arsenal could attempt to sign Manchester United England midfielder Jesse Lingard, 27, before next season, especially if the loan move of Spanish midfielder Dani Ceballos, 23, to the Gunners from Real Madrid is not made permanent. (Athletic, subscription required)

Did have a some hope for him about 6 or so years ago but he has never kicked on, and is so easily dispossessed, it seems untrue.

Personally, I can't believe Arsenal would go anywhere near him.

{Ed004's Note - Yeah I think it's a very unlikely move as well. I do think it might be best for all parties if Lingard gets a fresh start}


1.) 05 Apr 2020 11:50:13
To be fair to Lingard he's scored some important goals for Utd and always worked hard on the pitch.

I think he was given a chance by Ole this season to really cement his place in the team and add some consistency, creativity and goals to his game. Unfortunately Lingard isn't quite at the level needed to get us back challenging for the top honours. He's been unable to deliver when given the extra responsibility and expectation.

Now we have Fernandes the pressure has been lifted somewhat. I still think Lingard is a decent player and more than capable of being able to deputise for Fernandes on occasions or make an impact off the bench. Whether he wants this role is debatable but I just don't see him moving to another big Club or anyone being prepared to match his wages. I think Lingard should get his head down, work hard and try to make the most of his opportunities when they arise. Football is a squad game and he'll still get plenty of opportunities. You have to fight for your place at any top Club and I'm sure even Lingard would admit he's been woefully short of form for the last 12 months.

If he wants to move and we can get a decent fee then fine but we need squad depth and players like Lingard and Pereria whilst not perhaps being good enough to start every game still have an important role to play at the Club. If they leave they'll have to be replaced and both play in areas where we're not exactly blessed with other options.


2.) 05 Apr 2020 14:23:33
He's a poor footballer DLIB. If he wasn't born under the shadow of Old Trafford he'd have been let go years ago. Just look at the difference a classy AM makes. There's a different aura around the team with Bruno is it. Lingard and Pereira were gifted golden opportunities to make a stake in the team and they've both been shown up.

Lingard should have been a senior member of the club reaching his peak now. But instead he'd rather act the clown and open a fashion label. There is nothing I like about the man or footballer. If we have aspirations of moving up in the world of football, players like Jlingz should be there first to go.


3.) 05 Apr 2020 14:56:33
Fair enough Mumbles I respect your opinion and I must confess it's hard to defend him.

We've definitely struggled at times this season when having to rely on the likes of Lingard and Pereira and the signing of Fernandes has only illustrated what we've been missing.

I agree if we have title aspirations we need better and neither should be regular starters but maybe without the weight of pressure and expectation they can provide cover for the odd injury or perhaps this is just wishful thinking.


4.) 05 Apr 2020 15:48:19
DLIB, sorry but I think that is wishful thinking.

We need so much better than Lingard on the bench, never mind on the pitch, as Mumbles said Lingard really should be reaching his peak and to me he is nowhere near what is required for a team wanting to challenge for major honers.


5.) 06 Apr 2020 07:56:26
I’d keep Lingard. He’s a decent squad player, and we’ve had a think said for too long, and he can still make w contribution.

Andreas in the other hand has never shown why he’s there.


6.) 06 Apr 2020 12:01:59
I don't think Lingard has a long term future at the club. However, if we sold every player most of us don't think is good enough we would be going into next season with about 9 players in the first team, three of which would be goalkeepers.

Ultimately we need to decided which players we can afford to let leave, and which we might need to keep for another year.

Lingard is a useful player in certain situations. He isn't first choice, but if Bruno is out injured or suspended who would you pick, Lingard, Andreas Pereira or Mata?

Lingard might be the best of a bad bunch (Mata is a great little player, but doesn't have the legs to play the way we set up) .


7.) 06 Apr 2020 12:34:51
Shappy it's best for everyone involved if he leaves the club. We could easily replace his stats of 1 goal and 1 assist in 2 years of football. His only saving grace is "He runs around a lot". And for me that's the bare minimum a footballer should do.

He hasn't kicked on at all. His off the field childish antics and his excuses for his terrible performances are not what we need. Him choosing Mino as an agent when the club are looking to not deal with him are another in a list of digs at the club.


You could probably easily rattle off 10 players who could come in and replace him in the squad easily.


8.) 06 Apr 2020 12:41:22
Shappy, I'd pick Mata every time and I really cannot think of any situation where Lingard would be a useful player, I really can't. He runs in to blind alleys most of the time, where he cannot receive a ball, he creates zero and also scores zero for that matter and his hold up play is next to non-existent. He is a poor poor player for the age he is.

Pereira does have age on his side, only just but again I do not think he will make the step up but I hope I'm wrong.

I think both will stay, running down their contracts, with limited opportunities, as I cannot see any prem team wanting them and any other team affording what they get at Utd.


9.) 06 Apr 2020 20:21:18
I think Lingard probably will leave, he has hired an agent renowned for moving players around. I also think at his age he will want to be somewhere where he is first choice and playing most weeks. Which is fair enough, the career of a professional footballer is a short one and if it was me I wouldn't want to spend time on the bench of any club I would want to be out on the pitch playing. I could spend the next 40 years after I retire sitting on the sidelines after all.

That said most people feel the club need to sign a ST, RW, CDM, CB and AM in the summer, the reality is we might sign 3 maybe 4.

So we haven't really got the budget to be replacing squad players this summer. So although Lingard will likely leave, we might have to settle on an aging Mata or Andreas Pereira next season when Bruno is unavailable.

In an ideal world Gomes would have kicked on similarly to Williams and Greenwood this year and signed a new contract then he could have stepped up to replace Lingard. But at the moment he doesn't quite look ready and as yet hasn't signed a new deal.


10.) 07 Apr 2020 06:59:54
I have said before, don’t ignore this lad Mejbri, he looked to have serious talent. If anyone can step in rather than the useless Perreira or ageing Mata it is an exciting youth. Up to Mejbri But if he keeps developing he is the type that may well earn a place. As with all youth you have to see, but look beyond Perreira and Mata.


11.) 07 Apr 2020 10:44:52
Mejbri looks a fantastic talent, he certainly looks like he could suddenly step up out of nowhere similar to Rashford or Williams.

I just wonder if it might be a season too soon for him. He has only been in the academy for 6 months. Certainly one to keep an eye on.


 

 

 

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16 Feb 2021 14:56:53
Is it just me or do others feel we should have seen something of Amad Diallo by now?

I am very puzzled by the non appearance, if you pay £37M for a player (no matter what age, Rooney was 18 when we signed him), then he must be in the squad at the very least and making cameos but we have seen nothing?


1.) 16 Feb 2021 15:17:09
We signed wayne rooney in 2004 for goodness sake lol, nearly 20 years ago. The only appropriate comparison for wayne rooney in todays football would have been kylian mbappe in 2017 when he moved to PSG for £160m.

Im sure Diallo will get some game time this season but hell follow a similar transition into the first team like greenwood did, bit by bit because he still needs to develop physically.


2.) 16 Feb 2021 15:36:32
Diallo, the next Rooney 😅

He was signed for his potential, not sure he has played many 1st team minutes anywhere. Although let's be honest, its Oles fault, obviously.


3.) 16 Feb 2021 15:37:56
Rooney's physique was almost twice that of Diallo lol.

Diallo was sick last week and wasn't available for selection for U23's.
I believe the club is building his match fitness.
He was an unused sub for Atalanta for almost 5 months. An occasional sub appearance here and there.

Considering his quality, we may see him pretty soon.


4.) 16 Feb 2021 15:40:10
Have you see his build? he looks like Harry Potters weedier brother.


5.) 16 Feb 2021 15:53:16
Not at all. He is a young kid who has played 59 minutes of senior football for Atalanta.

Yes he was a big money purchase, but he needs time to adapt to his new team, a new country, a new culture and a new style of football.

He's played only a couple of games with the under 23's, while he was impressive in those games it was still obvious that he has some developing to do.


6.) 16 Feb 2021 16:00:52
DSG, I was trying to make the point of £37M for a player not to automatically be a member of the 1st team squad, with very little first team football, is a hell of a risk.


7.) 16 Feb 2021 16:48:08
But you compared him to Rooney when the value 17 years ago is totally different. It’s like signing a £10m player back then, he’s likely going to be a star but we need to manage him right. He is pretty lightweight but I wouldn’t say he doesn’t have strength, I think he will surprise a few, it won’t be long.


8.) 16 Feb 2021 16:55:46
Just look at what we did with Martial Jred, that was a big risk with his limited experience and look how good he turned out.


9.) 16 Feb 2021 17:21:15
We shouldn't be pinning our hopes on such a young untested inexperienced player. Also it is unfair to put such a young guy under such weight of expectation. Good on the club for putting his long term career and interests first.


10.) 16 Feb 2021 18:48:58
No issue at all. I wouldn't be surprised if we don't see him at all this season in the 1st team unless there is a dead rubber in the el or a fleeting few mins as a token sin before the season ends.
He looks about 15. Lots of ability but epl is like a different sport to anything he has played before.
If he develops like many experts and idk people expect them he will have a very bright future to be honest I wouldn't expect him to make any real meaningful contribution fit a couple if years unless his development accelerates ahead of schedule.


11.) 16 Feb 2021 22:18:12
Ed says don't talk about money so let's park that.

So with that out of the way and 18 yo kid moves to a new country and has spent 4 weeks settling in, been in the match day squad and will make his debut sooner than later.

He's also tore it up at U23 despite not training with the team.

We had to wait (for different reasons) for Rooney's debut.

Fingers crossed Amad bags a hatrick in a European debut.


12.) 17 Feb 2021 00:33:56
crimson are you having a laugh at how martial turned out.


13.) 17 Feb 2021 05:01:02
Well, looking at how our current forwards in Rashford/ Martial are performing I wouldn't mind anyone in their place. Atleast a young player like Diallo would atleast get us excited and entertained.


14.) 17 Feb 2021 11:25:21
So jarred? It is just you 😃.


15.) 17 Feb 2021 19:54:13
looks like it is, oh well it is all about opinions.


 

 

07 Feb 2021 11:14:50
Very disappointing end to the game but not unexpected given our defence.

If EB is playing then their 1st goal never happens but he is injured, resting up in the Phil Jones suite.

That is why Ole uses Lindelof, he stays fitter for longer periods then EB. Personally I do not rate VL, he gets dominated in the air plus is weak when pressed, with the ball at his feet but we do not have another centre back, that Ole trusts to stay fit.

On the plus side, we looked a much better balanced team up front, with a proper centre forward. I thought MG had a decent game, seems like he is playing well enough to keep AM on the bench.


1.) 07 Feb 2021 13:52:07
jrred,

It's worth mentioning how poor Maguire is positionally. Ideally both Maguire and lindleof woild be replaced in the summer.


 

 

22 Jan 2021 08:00:07
Question:

If Utd win the EPL this season, does that make OGS a better manager than Klopp?

It took Klopp five and a half years to win it while OGS will have won it in two and a half!


1.) 22 Jan 2021 08:27:54
BY that logic Ranieri won the league in his first year, with Leicester who nearly got relegated the season before.

And it took SAF more than half a decade to win the league with Man Utd so Ranieri is better than SAF? NOPE.

So OGS won't be better than Klopp even if he manages to win the league this year, which by the way is nowhere near a certainty.


2.) 22 Jan 2021 08:42:20
No of course it doesn’t.

Although I think Klopp has lost his way a bit this season and has ended up playing mind games with himself rather than other managers, what he’s achieved at Liverpool is huge.

The trophies, the style of football and that magnificent home record stretching almost 4 years should be applauded.

He’s maintained a high level for such a long time, which we know ourselves can’t last forever.

And now they lose at home after all that time, and all of a sudden people are asking might Ole be a better manager than Klopp. It’s laughable it really is.


3.) 22 Jan 2021 08:59:14
I'm guessing this is tounge and cheek right?

There is still a long way to go in the battle for the title, personally I think City will win it, and nothing is won in January. But as I've said before if you do win it I'll be one of the first to say well done. You don't win a league by accident or luck.


4.) 22 Jan 2021 09:31:38
WYred, it is certainly tongue in cheek and I also think City will win it. You are also correct, you don't win a league by accident or luck.

On Ranieri, Jose won 2 EPL titles with what was largely a Ranieri team, apart from the difference maker Drogba. Although Ranieri claims the signing of Drogba to be his idea.


5.) 22 Jan 2021 09:57:16
This year is an unusual season for many reasons. I think whatever happens this year you need to draw a line under it and see what happens next season to really judge how the land lies.

Liverpool played two seasons at absolute full tilt, collecting 97 and 99 points. Their style is very physically demanding, high and aggressive pressing. A lot of their players rank in the top ten in the league for presses, for distance covered, for sprints per game etc.

They have also been very lucky over the past two seasons with injuries, picking up very few and not often to first team regulars.

Then this season comes along, players haven't had a proper break between seasons, practically no pre-season, starting late and finishing at the same time compressing the number of games meaning most teams are playing twice a week all season.

For Liverpool with players who must be close to physical and mental exhaustion it appears too much. Players breaking down injured on a weekly basis. You need a completely different mentality to retain a title as opposed to winning it in the first place. While opponents see you as more of a scalp now and find that extra 10% against you.

Sir Alex used to say you had to work harder as a defending champion than as a challenger. I think for Liverpool they are finding that difficult this season.

That potentially opens a opportunity that hasn't existed in the previous three seasons. Where one of the best sides on paper are having an off season.

If we are able to take advantage of that then great, but that isn't the same as what Klopp did last season where his team had lost the title after getting 97 points, so they just went out and surpassed that to win it last season.

Winning the title is always a great achievement and whoever does it this year will deserve it. But the context on this season means it's an outlier and not the norm.


6.) 22 Jan 2021 11:14:21
It really is bad at the moment 🤦‍♂️😁.

We deserve all the banter we get.

I've seen quite a few still on Oles case hard recently, and whilst I still don't think he's the man to return you to former glory. You're winning more often than not right now.

I think this is a season that people should forget style and just embrace winning.

From my personal experience this season every single game is a absolute slog.


7.) 22 Jan 2021 13:19:24
Klopp has also won a UCL and was a UCL finalist the year before.

His team also plays swashbuckling football often which is something Ole needs to coach our team.


8.) 22 Jan 2021 13:21:57
jrred

What has Jose's achievement got to do with Ranieri winning the league with Leicester?


9.) 22 Jan 2021 14:02:39
Deependra, I was merely pointing out that Jose's achievement, in his first stint as Chelsea, could be partly attributed to Ranieri, as he was manager before Jose, just my opinion.


10.) 22 Jan 2021 14:47:49
Unbearable Red. I posted early in the season that Klopp would run out of steam with this team from the way he plays and a difficult season was imminent. Quite reminiscent of His Dortmund after winning the league. You went on the offensive saying I was talking "tripe".

Wanna rethink your views there mate?


11.) 22 Jan 2021 15:10:54
Mumbles, I think you're getting me mixed up with jred, I'm jrred, very similar I know, my apologies.

BTW I do agree with you that it is reminiscent of His Dortmund days. If you play with a certain style/ methodology then teams will suss out how to counter that.

The question for Liverpool fans is has Klopp got anything else in his locker?

The hard part of football management is being able to mix it up, adapt and discover. It is what makes SAF a freak of nature, to be able to stay at the top for so long, absolutely unbelievable.


12.) 22 Jan 2021 15:51:40
It wasn't aimed at you jrred.

Unbearable Red is a Liverpool fan who went on the offensive a few months ago when I dare question Klopps ability to keep this level of performances up. Looks like they lack desire and motivation, which normally happens after you reach the top.


13.) 22 Jan 2021 15:58:16
No Mumbles mate I still feel the same way. You're jumping the gun a bit there pal. But if you want to write us off when we have our first real bad patch of form in 3 years go for it.


 

 

10 Dec 2020 21:00:35
almost all shouting for Ole's head and I now agree. Ole has taken us as far as he can and probably further than many thought he could but I think now is the time to replace him. I hope I choke on these words come the summer but I think not.

Watching last night, we just wanted so many touches on the ball, every Utd player waited until a pass was controlled before moving and offering, way too slow. Plus when we have the ball, instead of moving towards the man in possession and offering, we tend to move away making it slower and harder to release the ball.

I'm not surprised that Utd make so many late comebacks, as a player that is what Ole was very good at, his team is similar. We just can't continue to leak sloppy goals it will and is catching up with us.

For a replacement I'd go for Nagelsmann, if he will come. RBL last night blew us away without any so called superstars in their team, they did it by playing to a system and every player knew what to do, where to go, when to push and when to drop they knew what was expected of them.

Liverpool at the moment are suffering quite a few injuries but as they have a well defined system, a system everyone is trained to implement, the players they bring in already know what to do.


1.) 11 Dec 2020 03:10:15
How did naglesman do in the previous fixture? Playing a high line against utd, leaving all that space. He got schooled by Ole the chump. is either game really so definitive?


2.) 11 Dec 2020 07:29:10
Rbl are in the last 16 i'd say nagelsman did the schooling.


3.) 11 Dec 2020 12:33:47
What about Ralph Hasenhuttl? He's done a fantastic job at Southampton and they always play attractive / progressive football with a high press. If he was given a chance at a big club i think he could really do something special.


4.) 11 Dec 2020 12:33:51
Lol Ken, he had nothing to do with our Turkish failure, and that is where we lost qualification. Did he do better, yes because the league doesn't lie, but come on - schooled him?


 

 

24 Jan 2020 09:43:28
Joel Glazer has walked away from the Fernandes deal because he has refused to meet the asking price. In that case why did we bother in the first place?

As ed02 correctly points out we are a bunch of amateurs playing a game of running a football club.

If this player was wanted by OGS, as he claims he has the final say, then why on earth have we not recruited him, as his club are willing to sell.

We now have 1 week to bring someone in or we risk running the gauntlet of a threadbare squad picking up more injuries.


1.) 24 Jan 2020 09:53:43
The glazers don't make football decisions, normally its matt judge who deals with the transfers.

{Ed002's Note - In what respect?}


2.) 24 Jan 2020 09:58:57
You really believe Joel Glazer has done that?


3.) 24 Jan 2020 10:22:56
Well it is in the Mail, I normally treat their headlines as BS but every now and again they get one right!


4.) 24 Jan 2020 11:17:54
The financial aspect of the deal?


5.) 24 Jan 2020 12:58:11
Matt Judge deals with the player contracts and negotiations, who we go for is decided by Ole and the deputies after recommendations from the scouting department. Woodward and Glazers sign off the deal.


 

 

 

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06 Apr 2020 12:41:22
Shappy, I'd pick Mata every time and I really cannot think of any situation where Lingard would be a useful player, I really can't. He runs in to blind alleys most of the time, where he cannot receive a ball, he creates zero and also scores zero for that matter and his hold up play is next to non-existent. He is a poor poor player for the age he is.

Pereira does have age on his side, only just but again I do not think he will make the step up but I hope I'm wrong.

I think both will stay, running down their contracts, with limited opportunities, as I cannot see any prem team wanting them and any other team affording what they get at Utd.


 

 

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05 Apr 2020 15:48:19
DLIB, sorry but I think that is wishful thinking.

We need so much better than Lingard on the bench, never mind on the pitch, as Mumbles said Lingard really should be reaching his peak and to me he is nowhere near what is required for a team wanting to challenge for major honers.


 

 

 

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26 Mar 2021 16:44:54
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22 Mar 2021 19:26:26
I don't think you can blame yesterdays embarrassment on the defence but rather to our lack of quality in midfield.

They had Tielemans and Ndidi we had Matic/ McTominay and Fred.


 

 

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22 Mar 2021 13:42:01
Is Fred George Weah's brother?

If he is under the slightest bit of pressure he struggles, he doesn't lift his head enough to sense the danger, yesterday's back pass was a prime example, he did not spot the blue shirt in front of him until he'd played the ball back.

He has great energy but is a target for any team we play, to harry him off the ball, I wouldn't mind if he carried a goal threat but he doesn't, he is just poor at this level.

There is a post further down the page re Ndidi, I think we should do whatever it takes to get him, if it is at all possible to turn his head.


 

 

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07 Mar 2021 20:01:05
I'm beginning to get the taste for humble pie, it is actually quite sweet.

A great performance and tactically the perfect way to play city.

Martial was excellent as was Shaw, bit of a toss up who to give MOM to, the whole team produced, but agree, I think further down the page, someone said we need to upgrade Fred and I think that is very true. I still love his work ethic but he just does not create enough for me.


 

 

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06 Mar 2021 12:15:36
Such a shame for Liverpool, wait 30 years to win the league and when they finally present the trophy to the fans at Anfield, the real one will be with City. 🤣🤣🤣.