04 Dec 2023 20:52:37
Eth has his flaws and there are places where he can definitely improve and remove a bit of favoritism for some players but even if we lose the next 5 games, I do not want him sacked.

Reports being leaked again, 50% of the dressing room is turning on Ten Hag. They are being made to work very hard.
Do these players think normal wage workers have it easy? So many people work more than they should. That's life.

They downed tools for Jose, stopped playing for Ralf after atletico madrid loss, and got Ole sacked as well. They've stopped playing for ETH.

Sancho has to be sold. Loan him out, do something creative in some swap deal. Sancho has no place here. Even if the manager was wrong, and yes managers are wrong sometimes, the guy didn't even want to be with the first team and not want to play. The same guy who gave you months off. Snake, worse than Di Maria. Even matic saying sancho is late to training.

I'd be happy to dump any other player who has been here for more than 3 years.

Antony, onana, martinez, malacia, mount, amrabat, hojlund, eriksen, casemiro, reguilon, evans, bayindir are all players I don't think are leaking to the press. They are his players.

Varane could one of the players leaking, but the guy looks like a model professional.

McTominay, I'd be very surprised if that was him.

Donny too seems like a nice lad, I don't mind him playing more if he still wants to play.

Hannibal, Amad, Pellistri, Mainoo, Gore, Garnacho and all the new kids won't leak.

The rest are most likely the people doing it:
Awb, dalot and Bruno who are Ronaldo's mates, Rashford, Martial, Lindelof, Maguire, Heaton, Shaw. Maybe its time these lot moved on. I don't rate any of them apart from Bruno.


1.) 04 Dec 2023
04 Dec 2023 21:21:55
Make no bones about it, its the person under the scrutiny due to his performances against Newcastle….

Manager continues to play him in the hopes performances improve, doesn’t and hucks off the manager to the press.

This insanity has to stop, this is not a ETH issue it’s a player issue.


2.) 04 Dec 2023
04 Dec 2023 23:03:34
I am standing with the manager and will happily watch all these toxic players saunter out of the club and infect some other club. There is only one way, the managers way.

This started when the players turned on Moyes. They were better than him. What did he know. How dare he use video of Jagielka to try to teach Ferdinand and Vidic. Redman has quoted this example several times for how out of his depth Moyes was. Well just for the record, that was the moment that the players wrestled power from the manager, and it has become learned behaviour from then. Rashford is a product of his environment, and he is now infecting Mainoo and Garnacho.

Even as recently as last week I was reading that Eth can't manage big players. He's the secret guys (and girls), big players are just like small players but with more money and more arrogance.

Please Ten Hag, drop all the problem players and play kids in their place. Tell the fans that the dropped players have to earn their way back into the first team squad by impressing in training and game time. I promise you that tha fans will respect you for it and will back you.

The biggest damage right now is that we can SEE with our own eyes that rashford is not trying. So you have to drop him. If you don't have the power to drop him, then you should tell the fans, because it is damaging your rep by playing him through this - it has gone on too long.


3.) 05 Dec 2023
04 Dec 2023 23:44:42
I don't think it's coincidental that the media are briefed of dressing discontent after that performance from Rashford and the subsequent roasting he's getting on T. V and on fan sites.

If this squad of players get to decide another manager isn't for them, honestly what's the point?


4.) 05 Dec 2023
04 Dec 2023 23:58:15
Has Kaveh been at Carrington and counted the number against him? 5 games yesterday, loads of talking points and all sky sports news can do is talk about gossip from United.


5.) 05 Dec 2023
05 Dec 2023 01:51:12
Crazy isn't it GDS. Why do they even run with the story? Rashfords agent calls him up and gives him some inside news. They must be stupid. And I hope no true fans are buying this BS.


6.) 05 Dec 2023
05 Dec 2023 05:04:47
If Rashford can't bother playing for the manager, then he can keep Sancho company on the kids table.


7.) 05 Dec 2023
05 Dec 2023 06:00:21
This is the time ETH needs us lot behind him! Give him the tools and let’s see what he can do, and help him rid the club of this cycle of toxicity.


8.) 05 Dec 2023
05 Dec 2023 06:27:06
Why is it so inconceivable that players might be miserable under ten hag, not because he’s making them “work hard”, but because he’s a terrible man manager? He has shown blatant favouritism, alienated players like Varane, treated De Gea poorly etc.

Just like any organisation a team with low morale under a boss they dislike will not perform anything like their best.

The players didn’t stop playing for Oli or Ralf, they’re just both inept football managers. I think this same squad would perform better and give more for an inspirational manager in the mild of a ange or Klopp etc, a manager who players want to run through walls for.

Just an outsiders opinion.


9.) 05 Dec 2023
05 Dec 2023 06:36:58
I agree with the tough stance ETH is taking, but there remain questions about the manager that I am not comfortable with.
1.The tactics, set up ETH style. Where is it? I can’t see what his style pattern is after 18 months, apart from inverted wingers, no midfield. He said he will never be able to play like his tactics at Ajax, so what are we getting, a befuddled mess. Sort it out and let’s see a pattern developing. Spurs had a pattern visible quickly, why not us.
2. We can see players like Rashford and Martial are not bothered, but why does the manager play them? Unless Joel Glazer is insisting these players start and if he did or there is anything in Rashfords contract to make that happen then ETH should resign, selection is on his capability. Is ETH bottling it? I would rather see him play a 16 year old prospect on the right than Rashford. ETH plays inverted wingers unless he starts Rashford on the right, who sulks then. Is it favouritism that he plays these players, puts Antony in?
3. Transfers, hardly set the world alight
4. In game management. Poor

We shouldn’t just put Rashford with Sancho, we should sell him. It’s no good saying next manager he will play for, sell him. I said this 18 months ago to much derision on here.


10.) 05 Dec 2023
05 Dec 2023 07:03:05
Put Paul Scholes, Roy Keane and King Eric in charge until the end of the season. Add Fergie as a verbal chicane in the tunnel after the games.

We may have zero recognised players left by the end of the season but those playing will give 100% for 100% of the time.

And jeez it would be entertaining and worth watching eh!

Shame Sir Bobby is still not with us. They could make everyone walk past him in shame after each game.

Not one of them really deserves to be wearing the shirt. Wasters to a man!


11.) 05 Dec 2023
05 Dec 2023 07:59:51
Oh yeah because Paul Scholes talks a lot of sense! and got great experience in management along with Eric, yeah that would really work and coupled with the great success of Keane at man management skills might as well add Neville too because he would bring great experience of management with him, times have changed it’s 2023 in case you not noticed… footballers are multi millionaires are backed by social media, for every 100 that moan about Sancho there will be 100 that back him, it’s the way of the world we now live in and getting worse, so you need to adapt with that rightly or wrongly.

Klopp is great example of doing it right, don’t you think he goes home and thinks bloody idiots prima Donna’s I work with everyday and then come game time it’s a cuddle, a slap on the bum, warmth shown…. That’s man management in 2023 all his players will run through walls for him… ETH is aloof, cold, thinks he above everyone, throws his players under the bus, always everyone else’s fault and then expects them to respond, it’s only old school players like McGuire that responds majority say F that and his friends stick with him

If you can’t see that, well!


12.) 05 Dec 2023
05 Dec 2023 08:05:44
Good Morning

Missed all the games over the weekend and I see there were some really good games. unfortunately we were not one of them. A lot of noise and again leaks of players not being happy.

I do hope the Inoes deal gets announced, they make a clear statement of supporting the manager and we move forward with culling this squad. its been a long time coming and its not a coincidence that every manager struggles with these players who are a mixed bag of 4 managers.

I read what Matic said and all the bleeding hearts for Sancho and I am sure there were some for Pogba should take note that there is culturally something very wrong at United and quite embarrassing for an ex player to say how Chelsea players and set up was very professional, where ours were not and you wonder when did this start and why has it been allowed to continue.

Fergie went through something similar changing the culture at United when he arrived and difficult initial years. He was never everyone's cup of tea and was never bothered to win a popularity contest with the players, media or pundits. It was basically his way or the highway.

ETh is a disciplinary guy by the sounds of it. It must be cultural shock to many players being asked to do things differently than what they have been used to. Whilst people question his tactics, I actually think he is an excellent manager tactically but we lack players to do what he wants and those who are currently being picked are the best of too many average players.

Chelsea game will be a very difficult game and hope we can show up and put in a performance. Its a long season and we need to be around top 4 come January and hopefully kick on in the second half and must get rid of some players in Jan.

I do hope we do not qualify for Europa league if we miss out on CL, which requires the other game going our way. We will beat Bayern at home imo.

Having players hang around who are off no use is a terrible thing if you are trying to change the culture. Getting paid for doing nothing has been a poison pill at the club.

I do wonder where the leaks are coming from if they are true and they should be the first to go no matter who they are.


13.) 05 Dec 2023
05 Dec 2023 08:24:42
Why worry about the leaks you can see with your own eyes if you were not so biased.
His buys/ loans Awful (1 or 2 out of 16 are any good)
His man management awful. (Holds a grudge forever)
His tactics awful (midfield gets sliced open time after time, he does nothing)
His substitutions awful (like for like everytime, no pattern change)
Coaching awful (otherwise how after 4 years can Antony still not cross a ball)
Never managed a big club. (but that’s OK because taking United down to his level)
Treatment of McGuire, Lindleorf, DeGea, now Varane, Sancho, the list goes on, sort it move on, don’t hold a grudge it will consume you like it’s now biting him on the arse.

If Ineos DO come in, he is gone 100% no way they will allow him to waste more money.


14.) 05 Dec 2023
05 Dec 2023 09:15:04
tripplelock- worry about leaks because it shouldn't happen- no counter argument or reason to justify,
agree with the personnel who have come in, but solely down to him idts,
hard to know his man management but regarding grudge;if its sancho you refer to good on him he has been trouble wherever he has been,
agree tactics not working but part of that could be the players not working?
subs awful- totally agree
many coaches at the club but if he relies on the dinosaur mcclaren then also antony agree but he has only been with us 2 seasons
never managed a big club - unlike pep, many managers havent
mcguire love or hate is a success in that he has come back fighting and playing the best he can, lindlehof lacks concentration / ability, degea was time to go 350k and wasnt so saintly with his contract negotiations re fax, varane our darren anderton, sancho ignorant little bighead who i would put on jsa!
add in the ronaldo situ and the task of cleaning the rot from the club, lingard (pogbas partner in crime a) he has had a lot to deal with. He should shoulder some of the blame in fortunes of the club but a lot of crap and amateur ways he inherited. Maybe ralf wasnt as blind as some painted him?


15.) 05 Dec 2023
05 Dec 2023 09:34:35
Trippledeck

I guess we have trolls here under a new name but same guy every week.

6 loan deals including two goalies for half season each, two frees, 8 transfer signing, with one being a back up goalie, make up the 16 players you refer to.

All the loan deals have been plasters and financially driven and never in a million years the managers ideal and hence why none got extended or made permanent so far and suspect the two we currently have will also go at the end of the season depending on what the squad looks like end of the season and summer plans.

From his 10 signing if you factor in Evans and the back up goalie, 6 are injured and have been out pretty much most of the season.

The team currently has Antony, Onana, Hoiland, Ambrabat available for selection.


16.) 05 Dec 2023
05 Dec 2023 10:24:35
I think if SJR comes in ETH will be under scrutiny like never before, did we really get the coach we were expecting from Ajax -im not sure he has actually performed anywhere near as good as he should, By all means kick out the bad eggs and let's see how good he is then but i'm beginning to doubt he is cut out to manage a top 4 team in PL.


17.) 05 Dec 2023
05 Dec 2023 10:54:20
The key line in the story for me is that players are unhappy with the amount of running they have to do in training and don’t understand the point of it.

This is a team that is consistently toward the bottom of ground covered in games per season and they don’t understand why the manager is asking them to run more in training.

ETH will inevitably be fired, but the new people brought in to run the footballing side need to make an immediate plan on how to radically change the attitude in the dressing room.


18.) 05 Dec 2023
05 Dec 2023 10:54:25
Loans or buys they still been ETH choice, one of his best loans and where we needed was Sabitzer and he did not want him for 15 million! To me that says it all with ETH eye for a player, sticking plasters or not they are his choice

Not worth going through each player he had come in because all not good enough for EPL case for Martinez and Casermiro maybe Rasmus but certainly not a first choice forward to lead the line atm that’s for sure, Casermiro clearly seen what ETH all about after playing under Carlo and Zindan he must think this is a joke.
He even don’t want to play his latest pet in Amrabat if he can help it!

You can keep looking for excuses all you like at end of day some players are not good enough granted but ones he bought in are same or lower level. Use injuries, but all teams have them it does not stop a style of play, we are 18 months plus in and it looks like there still not one, if your going to say it’s all because Martinez and how GK can’t play out to him your deluded as ETH.

{Ed002's Note - You clearly have no idea how the club is run and how transfers are handled.}


19.) 05 Dec 2023
05 Dec 2023 11:12:29
Wrong again Ahmed I said 2-3 years ago that Sancho was a joke signing and had bad attitude, Shappy kept defending him like 90% of those on here and even got derogatory for suggesting such a thing. now look

Yes managers can fall out with players but for gods sake for any to go on for months and months is childish to the extreme, right or wrong we never know, same with Ronny had his spat with McGuire who still don’t respect him by the way, now it’s Varane’s turn, it’s just not good enough, ETH is aloof, cold and lacks experience he thinks he still in the Dutch league with kids, that won’t work with multi millionaire prima Donna’s I’m afraid and unless ETH wakes up and realises that he will be gone by Christmas.

Either way he won’t be allowed to spend another penny

No players not good enough, but players he bought in are no better that’s the most worrying thing

Forget injuries and make a team with all his purchases or loans over 3 windows and tell me that team wins anything of note! His 2 strikers one buy one loan, what is it 1 goal for Weghorst 0 for Rasmus…. Antony 18 months in still can’t kick a ball with his other foot and he had 4 years of ET coaching…. Amrabat…too slow and ponderous ETH don’t even want to play him, Cass had enough, his legs are not gone but his mind as…Varane how much of all the injuries are genuine who knows but his fit and ETH prefers Lindleorf or Evans for Christ sake and McGuire and McT who he don’t even want… that’s awful man management.


20.) 05 Dec 2023
05 Dec 2023 12:57:24
Sick of hearing that big players need to be treated differently. No they dont. They need to work hard and prove their quality.

Our successful utd squads had competition. Players have said that training was harder than matches, and making the matchday team was hard.

These modern day show ponies want to do it all with no work and employ agents to fight their battles and blow smoke up their ar5e.

Do you think players go to Pep or Klopp to tell then the training is too hard, or suggest how things are done at other clubs? And no, it is not because that is Pep or Klopp. It because that is how you run a successful football club. We need strong leadership in the club, because at the moment the players think they can undermine EtH.

Mich easier to blame a manager than to realise that it is because you are not working hard enough. Because you did not execute what you were told to. We can see these players not trying. It is not tactics. It is basic workmate and effort No excuses.


21.) 05 Dec 2023
05 Dec 2023 14:22:16
Tripplelock

You talk utter nonsense and there is this childish logic that a 5 year old would use to construct to an argument.


22.) 05 Dec 2023
05 Dec 2023 15:46:13
As per above it quite clear he has no idea ahmad not sure why you get so annoyed with him just don't reply. I know who it is and I can confirm he is not a united supporter.


23.) 05 Dec 2023
05 Dec 2023 19:49:37
Triple

Why oh why are you such a clown. Suggesting Scholes and Keane was tongue in cheek (Banter) . If your agenda is to find fault with every post to bolster your ego then fill your boots. If it makes you feel better then I have done my deed for the day.

Regardless of the year. And its almost 2024 anyway the desire shown by Keane and Scholes is what is missing and nothing to do with how the game has changed in the last 10/ 11 years.

Jog on pal. You’ll be banned again soon so you can start again under a new name. Maybe Quadruplecock!


24.) 05 Dec 2023
05 Dec 2023 19:58:32
Cracking first post Dodgy ?.