20 Mar 2022 12:23:01
Ed's as Red Man's post about Simeone got so much traction could we have a poll?

Would you rather watch 3 years of defensive rubbishhousery tactics from Simeone

Or

Drag your nuts across a mile of broken glass?

{Ed033's Note - Can you alter it to a sensibly worded poll?

1.) 20 Mar 2022
20 Mar 2022 13:14:57
I mean I can, but it was meant as some light-hearted banter on football free weekend for Manchester United fans.

2.) 20 Mar 2022
20 Mar 2022 13:51:29
I am already fed up of Bruno rolling around, if Simeone comes in he will just be on his feet for 10 minutes all game. I don't want Simeone anywhere near my club. Being defensive is one thing and being that cheap is another.

Wasnt it Simeone who got Beckham sent off all those years ago?

3.) 20 Mar 2022
20 Mar 2022 14:02:33
Why did he make Beckham kick him?

Beckham got himself sent off.

Simeone would not be my 1st choice but he is a really good manager.
He would be ideal for a few years.

But he has no interest in us nor do we have any in him as per ed002.

{Ed014's Note - I can’t believe the play acting petulant cr4p that Ronaldo, Bruno, Fred and others get up too that anyone has the back wheels to moan about Atletico.

4.) 20 Mar 2022
20 Mar 2022 14:36:29
Whinge bags can't see past the nose on their own face ed014
United players cheat just like players from all clubs.
Bruno is the biggest whinger in the epl followed by ronaldo.
If some United supporters can't see that then they are in denial.
Double standards are rife.

{Ed014's Note - I know mate, it’s incredible to watch, don’t know how they’re not too embarrassed to even mention it.

5.) 20 Mar 2022
20 Mar 2022 14:37:00
Beckham got himself sent off due to petulance. Although Simeone's gamesmanship in rolling around afterwards is still reflected in how he sets his teams up today.

Simeone is without a doubt a very good manager. What he has achieved with so much against him in Spain is well worthy of praise.

That said, his style of play is something that would grate with me if he was our manager. Maybe being in my thirties, being born into the Sir Alex years, and through watching the highlights from Sir Matt's time at the club maybe I have a skewed idea about the type of football I expect to see at Old Trafford.

In my mind Manchester United should be about exciting offensive football, about young players growing and developing into world class stars.

I have no memories of the 70's and 80's, maybe there were great and successful, defensive, and pragmatic Manchester United teams from those times. Sides that played using the dark arts, by diving, feigning injury, and attempting to get opposition players sent off.

I don't know, I wasn't born then. Maybe those older than me can fill me in on those Manchester United sides.

Maybe I'm a purist, but I'd rather fail at trying to be who we are, than scrape a smidgen of success being who we aren't.

Give youth a chance, play offensive edge of your seat football, get the fans onside. Because with the resources we have, if we get the development of players right, and we bring in the right players, and we play an offensive "who dares wins" style of play, then I'm sure titles will come.

6.) 20 Mar 2022
20 Mar 2022 15:02:35
Ed014, it annoys me when I see our players cheat and whinge when things don't go their way. Get up and get on with it.

However, surely you appreciate the difference between a club having a few players who cheat and play act and a manager who coaches and encourages ALL his players to do so as a football tactic?

I appreciate that no manager is likely to have the moral fibre to tell his players to stop doing things that win his side an advantage. But to actively participate in that behaviour by encouraging it and coaching it is something very unsavoury and something most decent fans wouldn't want at their club.

{Ed014's Note - I totally appreciate that but I also ask why a manager doesn’t put a stop to the petulance of Ronaldo, Bruno and the likes.

This is the Premiership where you have to stand up and be counted, I’m always on Lacazette’s back since that pathetic scream he let out when there were no fans in the stadium and it seems he’s kerbed that behaviour because it’s like you say cheating.

You 100% know what you’re going to get with Atletico but when your side do the exact same thing on a lesser scale it’s a bit like pot calling kettle.

7.) 20 Mar 2022
20 Mar 2022 16:12:40
You a purist shappy? Your a pure bull sh#tter.

{Ed014's Note - ?

8.) 20 Mar 2022
20 Mar 2022 16:17:48
Ed014, name me a manager who actually tells his players to stop the diving and gamesmanship?

None of us like it going on, and as fans we can call it out, but until managers start doing it or rules come in to punish it then it will keep going on.

Pep with Fernandinho was the master of the tactical foul. All managers and players are looking for an edge, an advantage wherever they can.

Until the footballing authorities clamp down on it then it will continue, whether we like it or not.

We know what we will get from an Atletico team because the manager sets his team up to do that.

We know what we will get from certain players because that is just who they are and no one in a position of power pulls them up for it.

I don't think it's pot calling the kettle to say you don't want your team's tactics to be based around that sort of thing, even if one or two players in your squad do it.

I don't like it when our players do it and I call them out for it.

{Ed014's Note - it’s mad to say no manager doesn’t because it ultimately costs their team if the likes of Bruno and Ronaldo are repeatedly losing their 5hit then they’re not helping the team.

9.) 20 Mar 2022
20 Mar 2022 16:20:45
Nearly a million words of crap and bull from you in few months and countless of million others over last 10 years shappy and I've never seen you in here once denouncing our players for cheating. So if it annoys you so much why don't you go on about it the way you do everything else.
I'd suggest it doesn't annoy you and I'd suggest if Bruno was time wasting in last min if a cup final you would be cheering him on not calling for him to be sent off.

10.) 20 Mar 2022
20 Mar 2022 17:18:39
Glad the post about Simeone brought out the inner child in Shappy to suggest a vote like that. The fact is too many have this dreamy ideal for some manager coming along playing nice pretty football winning leagues.

Reality is that City and Liverpool are a long way ahead whilst we bicker. We need a strong manager and direction, appoint a Shappy favourite in Ten Hag or whoever nothing will change. It needs a change in direction above the manager and a manager who will be tough.

We are all never going to agree on one. Thing is I got similar responses to posts about Moyes and Ole, I just wait for people to see the reality. Simeone won the league in front of Real and Barca, it’s what we need.

11.) 20 Mar 2022
20 Mar 2022 17:34:20
Ken

Your (for lack of a better word) hatred for Shappy is unbelievable. I bet you are just jealous because he writes well researched and respectful posts while you post tones and tones of unintelligible bs. From this thread alone i can see ed14 mention Bruno and Cristiano a couple of times about playacting, yet Arsenal do just as much as us, and Man City are worse.

Yet you cannot even mention it, going along with ed14's narrative just so you can thrash Shappy.

{Ed014's Note - Jesus another dreamer, point out any match Arsenal players have whined as much as Ronaldo and Bruno you clown!

It’s tons and tons too if you’re going to mention unintelligible! ?‍♂️

12.) 20 Mar 2022
20 Mar 2022 18:25:17
Unruly shappy and I talk nearly daily (not on here) so don't be an idiot.
Shappy knows me better than anybody here and we continually bicker because he is a complete waffler and he knows I have zero tolerance for some of his stuff. We laugh about it you fool?
On here shappy posts 1 thing one day and takes a polar opposite view another he looks for arguments and debates and enjoys defending his point of view. Now don't be a tool yourself jumping to idiotic conclusions when you have no idea what your talking about. Absolute spanner.

13.) 20 Mar 2022
20 Mar 2022 18:25:33
It does seem like Ken is a bit obsessed with responding to shappy's posts, but never to say "good post mate". I wish I knew as much the pair of them, they're so knowledgeable ?.

{Ed014's Note - watch and learn, watch and learn!

14.) 20 Mar 2022
20 Mar 2022 19:23:01
Banjoe. I do think I said that once but I was just coming out of an anesthetic I think. ?.

15.) 20 Mar 2022
20 Mar 2022 20:07:04
Ken, calling me a fool doesn't make any single one of your posts more readable. I have no care that you both are bossom buddies, it is none of my concern. I only comment on what i see, and what i see is you being obsessed with his posts. I don't agree with half of what Shappy posts, but i respect that it seems researched and objective, not like any of your mindless drivel.

{Ed014's Note - if it’s none of your concern then don’t comment on it

16.) 20 Mar 2022
20 Mar 2022 20:45:12
Don't read the drivel then. There are lots of posters here I just skip past and don't read or engage with but if you come on here accusing me of hatred I will defend myself when your talking nonsense and like a fool.
Imo none of shaapys posts are objective, or very few are. A lot of assumptions lies and made up stuff which he presents as facts or then quotes lots of facts without context and makes the sun or mirror like outrageous statements. You choose to ignore that I choose not to.
When your of polar opinions with another you tend to bicker more often. Faux expertise is something I have no time for and I spend a lot of my day detecting in a professional capacity so when I see it I call it.
I can't agree on anything with gds2 either or on very little. Just people with polar opinions not hatred or obsession.
As I said there are some I don't engage with at all and others I see eye to eye with. Mostly I agree with most posters some of the time and disagree with most some of the time.
I agree with some of shappys but mostly not because he waffles too much and I've low tolerance for that. Therefore I'll respond.

17.) 20 Mar 2022
20 Mar 2022 21:08:33
Can we all just agree that nearly all clubs have their fair share of players who moan and feign injury as well as committing both blatant and sly fouls?

Re Simeone

Yes often his teams don't always play the most open football but they have always had flair players who can play good fast attacking football. He didn't shell out £100m or whatever it was on Jaio Felix because Felix is a defensive player!
Simeone is a pragmatist but also knows you can't win anything unless you score goals.

18.) 20 Mar 2022
20 Mar 2022 21:19:01
You shouldn't have to defend yourself Ken. If there was hate on here the eds wouldn't allow it and your posts with shappy are a lot tamer than "debates" I have with friends and family.

19.) 20 Mar 2022
20 Mar 2022 21:21:46
Agree Salford. He has a none of the attributes I hope whomever is named possesses.

He is a really good manager that has got to be the 1st criteria imo. Nobody will tick all the boxes from the off.

20.) 20 Mar 2022
20 Mar 2022 21:33:41
To be fair banjoe unruly is entitled to his perceptions but just wanted to put him straight.
Hatred? maybe he's had too much wine.

21.) 20 Mar 2022
20 Mar 2022 21:35:28
Banjoe remind me to avoid your family fights ?.

22.) 20 Mar 2022
20 Mar 2022 22:09:40
Ahh, Salford they're a contrary bunch my lot, especially the kids ??.

23.) 20 Mar 2022
20 Mar 2022 22:16:00
Every team in the league has its whingers, and anyone saying otherwise is blinkered. City players fall about when someone is within a yard off them. Bruno whinges for the world. So, there's no argument to be had there.
Red Man, I fully take on board why you like Simeone to be our manager. I think he's special, but he'll pick his fair share of fights, he's seen a few players off at Athletico. The important thing is that the club backed his judgement. Will the same happen at United? Not while these muppets are running the show.
Personally, I think ten Hag will be the right coach for us, but if you're looking at a strict manager who demands blood from his players, then simeone is up there. He'll get results, but it won't be pretty (Mourinho style) .
I just think football has moved on, offensive teams are coming out on top and winning trophies. Simeone won the league when Real and Barcelona were in turmoil. Surely we have to pitch our standards higher than containing the opposition and hoping to nick a goal on the break. Both Pep and Klopp have proved you can play offensive football and still be sound in defence.

24.) 21 Mar 2022
21 Mar 2022 09:33:32
Ken, it does annoy me and I do call it out. Although I appreciate that it might be difficult to pick it out amoungst everything else I write.

Red Man, it's not childish, it's banter, get with the program and read what the site is supposed to be about.

As for Simeone he's done a wonderful job, but let's not pretend Real Madrid or Barcelona were anywhere near the great sides they have been last year. They were both poor and both had an off season which opened the door for Atletico. Fair play they were there to take advantage when the door was left ajar.

Could Simeone's tactics and style work as well in the EPL? Would he be able to get his ideas across with his very limited English? Would the club support him as Atletico has supported him in Spain? Would he only be able to win things in the EPL when Klopp and Pep have an off season?

There are just as many questions over Simeone bas any other manager.

What it comes down to is whether you are prepared to accept those possibilities of failure for what he might bring. For me the only thing that could justify watching the style of play Simeone brings is winning things.

If the only thing that matters to you is the glory of winning things then maybe Simeone might be worth the risk. However, if he doesn't win things what positives could you take out of his running of the team?

If the football is entertaining, and young players are given a chance and are developed into top players. Then as fans then surely we have still got something even if we fall short in winning something.

With a manager like Simeone it's all or nothing. Win or lose. There is nothing to take the bitter edge off of defeat.

I watch football to be entertained, and I find nothing entertaining about watching Simeone's football.

Unruly, thanks for the support. Me and Ken know eachother personally. He knows who I am and my position within football. He just finds it funny to come on here and call me out. It's one of his funny quirks.

25.) 21 Mar 2022
21 Mar 2022 13:04:17
As you said Shappy the other day he won 5 major trophies in 11 years that’s very good and not just last year when as you say Madrid and Barcelona were in a mess!

He is an exceptional manager and man manager, his players will run through brick walls, he can handle ego’s, handled Diego Costa! So anyone is possible, plays to what are his teams strengths. What more can you ask….

Now even looks like Conte with a lesser squad will finish above us…. possibly Arsenal too they not even got a striker!