11 Jul 2025 12:47:48
Quick question I hope can be answered.
Rashford has 3 years left and book value wages amount to 36m app wages for the 3 years owed to Rashford if we sell him for 44 meaning we get 8 profit? Am I correct?

If so tell him he can go to Barcelona for 10 mill if he is happy to wave the wages owed and Barcelona will sign him immediately

10 is better than 8 that extra 2 can restore lunches for the staff.

1.) 11 Jul 2025
11 Jul 2025 13:21:52
I honestly doubt it works like that.

2.) 11 Jul 2025
11 Jul 2025 13:24:46
Why would we do that? Why would we not maximise what we can get for him?

3.) 11 Jul 2025
11 Jul 2025 13:29:03
No, you are not correct.
Wages are an ongoing business cost, NOT a capital asset and therefore are not amortised.
Whatever we may sell Rashford for, is all pure profit, as there is no outstanding cost to clear. Wages would just cease.
If we sell for £44m, then the profit is £44m and it all goes into the accounts in one amount.

4.) 11 Jul 2025
11 Jul 2025 13:34:58
Or get Mbeumo!

5.) 11 Jul 2025
11 Jul 2025 13:55:31
Not quite. Tye book value of a player is only related to their purchase price in signing for the club.

This is then 'amortized' in the accounts, so even if we pay for the player in full, the actual cost of the player to account for FFP is spread over the length of their contract.

So for example United pay £50m upfront because they have blcash in the bank for a player that might have cost more in installments.

They give them a 5 year deal at £100k per week. The fee is laid out in the accounts as £10m a year x 5 years =£50m total. This is how clubs can afford players that would not be affordable in the event you had to deal with the cost and wages of the player all in one go.

The wages of £100k a week are irrelevant to FFP, apart from that these annual coats when added up, need to be managed so your wages and any other costs don't exceed the FFP thresholds over a 3 year period.

Rashford is an academy player, so he cost us nothing, he never had a book value as a result. This is attractive because it means that if we sell him, whatever we sell him for is accounted for as pure profit, all achieved in that ai Glen year he was sold in.

The same applies to Garnacho, as ex academy, and to Mainoo, but does not apply to Sancho (1 year left and £14m book), Antony (2 years left and £28.8m book) or Hojlund (3 years left and £39m book) .

This can I fluency not just how mu h United want for a player but also which players make sense when we want to achieve a wage total of less than £300m a year as a percentage of our turnover and also which players are instant profit and which players could be a loss or even a small profit but get their overpaid wages from our books.

The final piece of the jigsaw is the ability to buy once we make that profit. In theory, fans often look at £40m profit and expect the club to pay £200m in transfer fees (£40m x 5 years amortised fees = £200m) . They often forget that the profit is still only £40m so if you pay out £200m in fees. You have spend in one hit the £40m profit, and with those additional years installments, if you don't make even more profit the following years then you're doomed to a £160m 'loss' on paper in those following 4 years.

This is why Ratcliffe has complained that he is still paying for players who are not wanted, or are wanted but not fully amortised meaning that until our final installments are paid. Then our profits are less be sise those costs are still not completely removed from the accounts.

I hope I've kept it simple enough without confusing you more. But in simple terms. Marcus only costs us wages (operating budget) whereas assets paid for (players) are capital expenses with an original al price and a decreasing book value.

6.) 11 Jul 2025
11 Jul 2025 14:12:00
Barca hold all the cards, so if they want him and he will accept a wage cut and not insist on having his remaining Utd contract paid out, it makes sense to accept a lower transfer fee in my opinion. I’d be inclined to get him out of the door for £25m. Massive wages off the books, money coming in as pure profit and Amorim doesn’t want him.

I’m not convinced Barcelona really wants him unless he’s very cheap, so Utd playing hard ball just means we can’t sign other players and the longer we wait, the more likely our top targets go elsewhere.

Obviously we can’t move him on if we haven’t had any offers so this is all merely speculation, let’s wait and see if Barcelona make a move, then we can’t decide if Utd demands are reasonable and realistic.

7.) 11 Jul 2025
11 Jul 2025 14:22:58
We should just sell him to the women’s team for £200m….

8.) 11 Jul 2025
11 Jul 2025 14:38:15
Wages owed are not part of the book value of the player as an asset. They are future expenses, not part of the transfer profit calculation.

Book value in this context usually refers to the net book value of the player’s registration (i. e. the remaining unamortized portion of his transfer fee or development cost) .

Since Rashford is an academy player, his book value is £0 on the club’s books. That means there’s no amortized transfer fee to account for. Any transfer fee received is pure profit from an accounting perspective.

9.) 11 Jul 2025
11 Jul 2025 14:55:04
Why on earth would you sell Rashford for 25m when Erlanga is 55m Antony even more than 25m! 25m is ridiculous.

10.) 11 Jul 2025
11 Jul 2025 15:58:26
German - Any fee is better than another loan who is going to pay more than £25m for Rashford? Let’s wait and see.

11.) 11 Jul 2025
11 Jul 2025 16:40:08
Who would you have said would pay 55m for Erlanga, or 120m for MGW and Kudos…. I would honestly say Rashford better than any of them and I don’t even like Rashford… 25m gets you nothing nowadays.

12.) 11 Jul 2025
11 Jul 2025 17:08:50
German- Just indulge me for a moment please. In your opinion who wants to sign Rashford and how much will they pay?

I’d be amazed but absolutely delighted if we got anymore than £25-30m for him! Personally I think he’ll go out on loan again.

With three years left on his contract, it might be sensible to send him out on loan, get most of his wages covered and if he does well, goes to the World Cup and performs well then maybe we might get a higher fee for him next season, but that won’t help us this summer.

13.) 11 Jul 2025
11 Jul 2025 18:18:30
You make a good point dlib.
If Barcelona do make a loan offer for him its quite simple he must be told we will pay nothing towards your wages if you want us to contribute the balance we won't accept. I've no doubt he would take the payout for the season.
That takes 18m off our player wages and would enable some transfer.
I was told, rashford and casimero make up 10% of our total player wage bill of 360m
Madness, the 5 we would like to leave make up about 16.5% of the total player wage bill. Add casimero or onana and lindelof and ericksen there s significant savings made to make room for new signings and to hit that 300m target.
Rashford on loan is OK and I think he would fit in well at Barcelona and do well and perhaps increase his value back up towards that 40m mark.
Id like to see him and garnacho do well elsewhere abroad. If they do as well as mctom has done i'd be delighted for them and hopefully we can use the income from them to start doing better ourselves than we did when they were with us.
Cunha and mbeumo would on the face of it meet with most people's approval. 2 exciting players coming to us in their best form.
If we can add a quality striker then we should see more goals.
Keeper midfield cb imo still areas that need a new 1st choice.
We might not get all done unless we see 2 or 3 from casimero rasmus onana bayindir maguire Shaw leave and that's unlikely but I remain hopeful. ?.

14.) 11 Jul 2025
11 Jul 2025 19:24:46
Tumble - despite my fierce criticism of the Glazers and Ineos, I’m realistic, I don’t expect to get everyone in one window and I think if we’d have got the Mbeumo deal over the line, he and Cunha adding potentially 30-35 goals next season between them I’d be a lot more relaxed.

Then if we need sales to get a CF, CM and GK I think we’d be a lot more patient.

Some think a new CF is absolutely paramount but with Cunha and Mbeumo both adding a significant goal threat, I think Zirkzee can contribute, so whilst I’d prefer a CF, I think we’d score more goals with Cunha and Mbeumo to expect a significant improvement next season and certainly something to build on.

I must confess I’m deeply concerned about the Mbeumo deal and with no obvious pivot option if we miss out I’m genuinely worried about where the goals will come from!

15.) 11 Jul 2025
11 Jul 2025 19:42:36
I’m not sure Cunha and Mbeumo add 35 goals next season, that’s hell of a leap of faith.

16.) 11 Jul 2025
11 Jul 2025 19:47:43
Whats your concern dlib? Nothing to be concerned about i. o.

17.) 11 Jul 2025
11 Jul 2025 21:23:51
35 is a stretch imo. Would be nice though.

18.) 12 Jul 2025
11 Jul 2025 23:41:05
I do not think we can possibly get everyone we need and it will, for obvious reasons to most, be an underwhelming window in the most part. That we have to live with.

I am quietly confident that the adults will steady the ship and have the facility to bring in more over the next few windows.

All the fans with their feet on the ground are expecting is realistic progression. Top half with a fighting team and a defined structure is all I am expecting at this stage.