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17 Aug 2022 01:09:49
Hi Ed02!
With transfer window very near to the end, lot of reports claiming we are in talks with several agents of different players who were not our primary target before.
If you can, can you please give us some clarity on who the players are that we are jumping on right now. Annoying as it may be, i am hopeful that this are the players who fit into ten haag's philosophy instead of random players just for the sake of signing.
{Ed002's Note - I am not aware who these players are. I am aware of the options I have mentioned. Agents will approach clubs all of the time, but it does not mean there is interest from the club.}
1.) 17 Aug 2022 11:11:17
Hey Ed,
You think we will get any players in or are we more or less done?
Thanks!
{Ed002's Note - There will be some comings and goings.}
2.) 17 Aug 2022 11:57:15
Great!
Fingers crossed, Ed.
Thanks again!
3.) 17 Aug 2022 16:25:25
How many will we get in Ed?
{Ed002's Note - it is hard to tell.}
4.) 17 Aug 2022 17:11:12
Oh come on Ole, how are you expecting Ed2 to know that?
5.) 17 Aug 2022 20:14:54
Honestly I don't anyone is coming in. no one wants to join this shambles of a club anymore. We might just have enough to avoid relegation but I don't hold my breathe.
6.) 18 Aug 2022 00:15:12
we will sign a few players Nick, a while left yet.
20 Jun 2022 23:07:20
HI Ed02!
Sorry if this has been covered but what is going on with Phil Jones. Will he be surviving another window despite being one of the most useless player in the squad.
I don't want to sound rude but this guy literally has sucked millions and millions of pounds without even kicking a ball. I was extremely annoyed when he got offered a new contract by incompetent board despite having done nothing to earn it. A genuine player who would love playing football would rather move somewhere else to play and earn at the same time.
His chapter must surely end this window.
{Ed002's Note - Phil Jones (CB) was an option for Burnley last summer but James Tarkowski stayed, now relegated they will have moved on. Would likely need to drop down to the Championship to find a club where he would start although Fulham are open to a discussion with the player. Wages may be a problem. Bordeaux offered an opportunity - rejected by the player.}
1.) 21 Jun 2022 11:44:40
It’s not his fault the club offered him a contract and that we signed him despite knowing he had bad knees that would cut short his career.
He has cost the club a lot of money, none of that is his fault though.
2.) 21 Jun 2022 13:03:26
I hope that logic is applied to all players at the club not just a selected few.
Its not any of the players fault that the club gives them contracts or signs them for big fees.
3.) 21 Jun 2022 14:24:45
DsG. You will defend pogba till your 6 foot under.
You will be on your own?.
4.) 21 Jun 2022 14:25:39
If he rejected Bordeaux, he is thinking one of European Giants come in for him?
5.) 21 Jun 2022 15:06:23
Jones may not be good enough but at least when he did play last season he put in the effort and tried. more than can be said of some so called better players.
6.) 21 Jun 2022 15:57:49
I’d have thought Bordeaux would have been hard to turn down. What wasn’t to like……….
7.) 21 Jun 2022 16:34:41
I have always found this odd, Phil has earned enough money in his career that he will never have to work again.
Why wouldn't he take a reduction in wages to get back playing regularly, he plays with enough motivation, so surely he would prefer to be on a pitch each week.
8.) 21 Jun 2022 17:15:43
He won’t take a reduction in wages because he doesn’t have to.
The club were dumb enough to give a permanently injured player a massive contract. The player seems to be happy to sit on his contract.
9.) 21 Jun 2022 20:00:28
Agree with Danny if someone is dumb enough to pay you £100k per week Phil Jones should be smart enough to take it for as long as contractually he's able to. We have been woeful in extending contracts to 'protect players' book value'.
That practice has hopefully been shelved now but we need to be smarter in tying down players to longer contracts quicker providing they've shown they're good enough. Rashford a case in point now - in his last year but have option to extend. If it weren't for Ten Hag coming in now and starting afresh his is a first 'keep now and extend or sell this summer'.
Strongly suspect (or is it just blind hope more likely) that Rashford will come good again and we will sort another contract for him. However I do think Sancho and Rashford are both vying for the same LW spot. So he may be fortunate that we don't have cover directly for Ronaldo and centre forward a position he could play also.
Ten Hag will make his decision whether to keep Rashford though or anyone else for that matter. After that we need to be more ruthless in moving players on. If you were a player on a massive wage though what incentive do you have to leave? I know its a short career etc but £100k for doing nothing or £50k for 'working'? - I know which most would pick!
10.) 21 Jun 2022 20:13:19
He will never play regularly for any team he plays for so why would he go somewhere else for less money and sit in the treatment room there?
11.) 21 Jun 2022 22:55:44
Gosh our fan base! Defending a ridiculous player because the incompetent board offered him a stupid contract. That more aligns with the fact that he is here only for the money and nothing else. And and top of that, the money is without even playing. I thought that all of us agree about not wanting to have such player in our team.
It is like defending a corrupt officer for accepting a bribe because someone was stupid to offer him.
How about we think that he is also among the problem lying at our club and we need to get rid of him despite the fact that we offered him a new contract.
His chapter needs to close and i hope that is this window.
12.) 21 Jun 2022 19:43:41
I don't blame players for taking a contract that's overinflated. I blame the club that offered it them.
Under Woodward we kept doing it, player after player, year after year. Whether its him the manager or both to blame I dunno.
If someone offered my a lot more money to do my job but I didn't deserve it I would still take it! I bet the vast majority of people would but for some reason footballers are expected to have a different moral compass and think I don't deserve this so I will look for less money elsewhere.
13.) 21 Jun 2022 23:36:41
Gds2 on the money there imo. I've said the same before.
If Jones was fit and well and available for selection every week then he might have considered moving on to play for less money. But why sit in 1 treatment room for 50k when you can sit in another fit 100k?
14.) 21 Jun 2022 23:53:25
Jones has been useless even when healthy. Rashford is grossly overrated and if someone is stupid enough to pay 60 mill for him, i think the club should get him a On a G7 and move him on. Overated and overhyped. He has been rubbish for a long time. Take the money beef up midfield and back 4.
15.) 22 Jun 2022 06:49:44
OakBark
If you are that sort of employee than the company shouldn't really want you. Should it?
Jones might not be wrong on his part taking the deal and earning without playing. But, as a fan of this club, we should not be here sitting accepting that. It is nowhere acceptable.
GDS, Ken
You have thought from Jones point of view but how about trying to think from fans view. We as a club should not do it. Yes! We did lot of wrong things but that does not mean it should continue.
What sort of footballer do you want? The one who wants to play and contribute and earn? or the one who doesn't care if he plays or not but only cares about money?
I know what kind of players i want at my club but not sure about you. Defending Phil Jones is laughable for someone who wants the club to get back to its best.
16.) 22 Jun 2022 09:44:45
"f you are that sort of employee than the company shouldn't really want you"
And that's the point, Srestha. That's why people are blaming the club rather than the player. Any proper company shouldn't.
17.) 22 Jun 2022 10:19:25
I tend to agree with Ken and GDS on this one.
Jones is unfortunate in that he just can't stay fit. I'm sure he'd rather be fit and playing even on half the wages.
I also think people are far too hard on him as a player. When he has managed to stay fit he has been first choice for most managers. He was first choice for LvG and Mourinho when fit. Ole played him for a few games when fit at the start of his time as manager.
I'd argue that his one start last season against Wolves was at least as good as anything we saw from any of our other CB's last season. Possibly as an individual performance it was arguably the best CB performance last season.
He isn't a bad player. He never managed to reach the heights his talent suggested he could reach due to the constant injuries. While the media have made him into a joke with the faces he pulls while playing. Which while funny is unkind and unfair.
I'd probably say a fully fit Phil Jones plays ahead of any of Maguire, Lindelof, Bailly or Tuanzebe.
He also has a good attitude, he never gives less than 100% when on the pitch. Watch him walking on to the pitch against Wolves and tell me the other 10 players look as up for it as Jones does.
I'll be sad to see him leave as his career is tragic and you are left wondering what if.
Every footballer wants to play and win things, they also want to earn as much as they can while doing so.
Jones is unfortunate in that it doesn't matter who pays him he won't play as his body just cannot sustain itself for the demands of playing football.
So like Ken said, why choose to take a pay cut to sit in a smaller physio room at another club. He's also fairly local to where he grew up and all his friends and family.
I can't see much appeal for him taking a pay cut to sit in the physio room potentially 300 miles away from his friends and family.
If you were given a choice of doing a job for 50k or 25k for doing the exact same thing, to a man everyone of us would take the 50k job.
18.) 22 Jun 2022 10:46:51
Noucamp!
Looks like u missed my point. I am blaming the club for giving him the contract but that does not mean that Jones is blameless.
The amount of money he is earning as a lumpsum could have been used for better use. As for a football player who usually has 15 years of career, i have seen a lot of player who take a paycut to play the game they love.
Jones isn't that player and should not be anywhere near this club.
19.) 22 Jun 2022 11:02:48
Shappy!
Firstly, we rarely had good defenders that could carry Vidic and Ferdinand’s legacy. Jones and smalling started because they were the best among the bad bunch of defenders so it is not really a convincing point.
Second, you mentioned about his injury record which is even frustrating because u can't even have him at bench if for some reason we needed him. He is a poor defender with absolutely horrible injury record which us the reason why he should have been let go a long time ago.
I am really surprised how easily you said that he gives his 100%. I guess it is because you forgot all the horrible defending we saw from him few years back and there was clear lack of effort from his side as well.
Wolves game last season does not erase all the horrible games he had. If one good game from him justifies him earning millions of pounds that otherwise could have been properly invested, then i am not sure what to say to that.
Further, his attitude clearly does not strike as someone who wants to play football regularly. He has rejected multiple contracts from various clubs despite knowing that he will play next to nothing here.
You did raise good point though ” why choose to take a pay cut to sit in a smaller physio room at another club. ”. It is the exact reason i don't want him and nor anyone should. Why would u want a player spending all his time in a physio room and leeching the funds that we as a fans have paid.
He had bags of potential to be one of the best defenders but wasted it. And it is not only down to injury but also his desire to work for it.
People really have a short memory. If Jones had played next 10 games after the wolves game then i am pretty sure he would have horrible 7 games (if somehow he wasnt injured again) .
It happened a lot before and because he is not playing anymore, i believe fans have already forgotten about how poor of a defender he was.
I am pretty sure if let's say Maguire get injured for a whole year, people will soon forget how horrible he was because there will be another regular poor performer who will be getting the blame.
20.) 22 Jun 2022 14:42:59
Srestha, I think that's quite a naive view. 99% of people, if they were offered such and such amount of money, would not turn round and say, I'll take half that, please.
21.) 23 Jun 2022 02:41:29
Noucamp!
Thats exactly my point Noucamp.
We should really have that sort of 99% of people
at our club. Jones might have done what is best for him no doubt but how is that helping us as a club. We need to stop thinking from Jones point of view and think from the club’s perspective.
22.) 23 Jun 2022 10:02:01
Way to go with the character assassination and saying he is leeching off the club. I don't know Phil Jones but most of the ex players I know hated being injured and found that the hardest thing.
They are not playing and fear the replacement would knock them out of the squad. I would assume in that position I would sign a new contract to give me an opportunity to fight for my place back. Its not even as simple as going somewhere else to play as he would have considered his kids, homelife etc.
I know ex players who rejected moves with more money as the impact on family, schooling were too great so it is not as simple as saying he had offers so is a leech cause he did not take them. Personally I don't blame him at all and you may be blasting someone who is just determined to still have a career and try and succeed at utd.
23.) 23 Jun 2022 22:00:45
Bookedredmole!
You must be kidding.
It is not character assassination, it is the truth. I can't believe people are defending one of the worst player to ever play for us. No wonder this club is rotten to core now.
For your info, Jones has rejected multiple contracts from other clubs where he could have played regular football. The reason he rejected them is because he does not want to leave his comfort zone. I mean he is getting paid for not doing anything. A passionate footballer would take a paycut and try to move to a place where he could play the beautiful game again.
He has earned around 20 million pound in past few years without contributing anything at all. That is called leeching. If you love this club, how can u accept people like him? I guess him not playing recently has erased the old memories of his horrible football and maybe one wolves game as raised his prestige among the fans. Unbelievable.
24.) 24 Jun 2022 08:09:03
Srestha I was not joking. If you know Phil Jones and he has said or intimated to you he does not want to leave his comfort zone then fair play I accept you are right.
If you do not know him then who are you to make these comments about someone's character as if they were clear facts. If you are making out your thoughts are the truth without any info and slating someone that is character assassination in my book.
You keep saying about him not playing has erased the memory of his football but my issue was you saying his leeching. I tend to agree we need a better defender but that is not what I refer to in my response.
You are right players sometimes move for game time but there are also lots of players who turn down opportunity to stay and fight for their place back. You seem to know the truth as you say so if you know him well enough I accept your thoughts.
I just personally feel that Phil Jones (or any player) would have a lot to consider around his personal life/ family before making a move and should consider those above the wants of some utd fan only considering their own perspective. Should he have got an extension, possibly not but I understand him signing it to fight for his place back.
If you do not know him and are just making up things that sound right in your head without facts then top bolloxology to you.
Unbelievable.
12 May 2022 00:32:33
Can any Ed shed any lights on De Jong rumour please?
{Ed002's Note - Frenkie de Jong (CM) Tolisso upgrade for Bayern Munich but Barcelona don't want to sell although if a significant offer (perhaps €90M) were made their financial situation would mean they would have to consider it. During discussions between Barcelona and Chelsea, options for a number of players were discussed but Chelsea do not again want protracted negotiations which led nowhere over another player last summer - they may make a take it or leave it offer including a player or perhaps two. Manchester City may provide another solution using Laporte as part of the deal - and don't be surprised if PSG or Manchester United switch their attention to him but both have preferred targets. I would doubt he will move.}
1.) 12 May 2022 13:24:20
Hi Ed002,
Thanks as always for detailed information!
I know you've kindly provided information about Defensive Midfielders in the past but it increasingly looks likely (if rumours are to be believed! ) that United's list of options are dwindling rapidly, mainly because of no CL next year:
Rice (too expensive this year and no CL)
Phillips (doesn't seem keen because of Leeds rivallry)
Tchouemeni (Seems off elsewhere - and no CL)
De Jong (Doesn't seem keen without CL football)
Bissouma (no wants seems to want to take him whilst off-field issues ongoing)
Laimer (not really DM and seems off to Bayern)
Kamara (seems off to Athletico)
Thus doesn't really seem to leave us with much choice if we're being realistic about not being able to persuade any of them to come! Maybe just Palhinha now!
Don't suppose you'd mind giving us an update on potential DM players - and who we might be able to rule out - and if United have shown any interest in any new targets, such as Ibrahim Sangare (PSV) or Maxence Caqueret of Lyon?
(And does ETH have a preferred choice at all, maybe different from the club targets? )
Thus apologies for panicked tone but would be most grateful for any update if there is one; if not, will just look back at previous MF update and hope we can maybe persuade one of them to join!
Many thanks as always for any info you feel able to share.
{Ed002's Note - Ibrahim Sangare is heading elsewhere and the club have shown no interest. Maxence Caqueret - there have been discussions with another club but I think a new contract is likely. There is interest in Palhinha, Konrad Laimer, Rice, Bissouma and Phillips but not being in the Champions League could impact any move. There have been approaches and discussions with Monaco over Tchouemeni, but not involving Manchester United. I am not aware of any approach for De Jong. Amadou Haidara is of interest to RR still, but there is interest from elsewhere. The club only ever spoke to the agent of Kamara, never the club.}
2.) 12 May 2022 13:27:41
Hi Ed002,
Is Amadou Haidara still a target for United?
{Ed002's Note - For RR.}
3.) 12 May 2022 14:20:19
Thank you so much for the detailed update - really really appreciated, thank you.
{Ed002's Note - You are welcome.}
4.) 12 May 2022 14:27:35
So essentially we are once again trying to convince a player who doesn't want to join us to join us. Seems like a good plan.
5.) 12 May 2022 15:13:03
If we end up with De Jong it is possible we don't go after a true holding midfielder which reading about EtH style would seem to fit.
For me Kamara on a free would be good or Laimar who has been likened to Kante with his workrate etc whilst also being good on the ball.
6.) 12 May 2022 18:18:36
I don't want us to sign anybody who needs convincing, we might be a mess at the minute but with the right players and some hard work on the training pitch we will be back in the cl in 23/ 24.
7.) 13 May 2022 13:46:42
Danny eth needed convincing are you happy with him?
8.) 13 May 2022 14:02:31
Danny, any top player will need convincing to join us atm.
If you are a player with top clubs with realistic chances of winning titles why would you turn them down for a side that hasn't really challenged for a league title in the last decade?
9.) 13 May 2022 15:37:48
In truth you should have to convince any player. They should have a list of questions about their role, their fit, the plan for the future and where you see them in that plan.
I would be more worried about a player who didn't need convincing that everything was in place than one who did.
10.) 13 May 2022 22:19:51
Ken I'm sure he needed a bit of convincing than a player would. The reason being our treatment of former managers. Shappy I'm not so sure any top player needs convincing to go to a big club, whether or not they are winning trophies or in the cl. if they do then they aren't right for the club or ther for the right reasons. the name on the front of the shirt will always be bigger than the name on the back.
11.) 13 May 2022 22:46:27
Danny if you're a top player and one or two of Barcelona, Real Madrid, Bayern Munich, PSG, Juventus, Chelsea, City or Liverpool are interested in signing you. Then I'm sure they will need a lot of convincing to move to United.
12.) 13 May 2022 23:35:30
They play for money, that's (almost) all the convincing they need.
None of them play for the love of the club. I thought academy players might be different, but i'm not so sure anymore.
13.) 16 May 2022 10:04:34
Nonsense Danny. Players are not waiting for united or any club to come in for them. When they get an offer they need convicing it's the right move for them and their family no different to you or me.
10 Aug 2019 09:34:14
I have been very negative about this transfer window. Maybe because of all the hype about how this window would be the most important.
Well! The window was not good enough but i am still excited about the season. Although i think we are putting too much serious pressure on youth and being very reliant on them, i hope they come out very strong and give their best performance. I hope we suffer minor to no injuries as we are very light. It would be great.
If Ole is able to instil his attacking, high pressing game play and this team does not become a victim of fatigue then we may well finish inside the top 4.
Hoping all the best for the new season and hoping for a good performance and a win tomorrow.
1.) 10 Aug 2019 10:22:14
That's better stressda😂😂😂.
2.) 10 Aug 2019 10:48:22
I think we will start well and positively but will fade later in the season. Everyone is looking to Greenwood as the potential star, however, I wonder if Garner maybe the one who also surprises us in midfield.
3.) 10 Aug 2019 11:10:45
Hes a good little player red man. Would also be nice to see him getting game time. We will need extra bodies in there.
4.) 10 Aug 2019 11:59:00
I think Garner, whilst not maybe providing the excitement of an attacker like Greenwood, might be the one who makes it to the very top. Very mature player, reads the game well, and has an eye for goal. I rarely hype up any young players - got my fingers burnt with Januzaj - but I think Garner is the real deal. With Greenwood and Gomes not far behind.
5.) 10 Aug 2019 12:45:50
Much better stresser 😂 just take each game as it comes, you will drive yourself insane worrying about something you can’t control. Like when I bury my head in the sand while my Mrs is out shopping with the “joint account†card.
6.) 10 Aug 2019 12:56:29
Maybe Ole is going to give some youngsters game time, which is why players like Matic and Young will be invaluable squad members. I’d we do play Greenwood, Chong, Gomes, Garner, we need some wise old heads to help them adapt.
7.) 10 Aug 2019 13:52:42
Yeah I think we all got wound up with the deadline. We are light in midfield and possibly upfront. Its a lot of pressure to put on a load of players who are teens an in the early 20s. We're all anxious. All we can do is get on with it.
8.) 10 Aug 2019 15:35:16
As well as Garner, I've been impressed with Ethan Galbraith in the under 23's but maybe one to come through next year.
9.) 10 Aug 2019 18:08:36
Nou I have greenwood, garner then Gomes. But what a trio whatever you put it.
10.) 10 Aug 2019 19:49:03
Young players need time and games, and I hope a couple of them get it .
Greenwood and gomes would be my shout.
The thing is the first time we lose a game the site will go in to melt down shouting for x y z .
Ole, the team the youngster I don't think can really judge until after xmas. But unfortunately they will get judged on a game by game basis.
11.) 10 Aug 2019 22:47:32
That's what I'm worried about jred. I just hope the young lads are strong enough to handle it.
12.) 10 Aug 2019 23:18:39
Angel
It's not just the young lads on the site the older ones are just as bad ;)
13.) 10 Aug 2019 23:32:09
Let's hope they don't start calling for the head of Manager like they did the last one eh ;)
14.) 11 Aug 2019 01:01:07
If you were a young lad playing your first games for your dream club United would you be listening to what’s said on social media or listening to coaches and teammates?
I know what I’d be doing.
15.) 11 Aug 2019 04:45:27
Angle Redman already wants him sacked .
I'm sure most will give him time tho.
16.) 11 Aug 2019 07:46:04
Give him time, there will be plenty more. just like the last one.
17.) 11 Aug 2019 09:22:47
Lots of times people throw double standards around, yet at the same time suggest giving OGS more time than the last three managers. Why is that? The emotional sentimentality of a playing legend being in charge. But that isn’t double standards of course, its just because they love Ole. He is a legend to me, but a playing legend who has done nothing to deserve the managerial position. I doubt they would have appointed him if they had waited to the end of the season and the relegation form that was on display. He should be judged the same as the other managers were.
Today, I support the team as I always have, wish I could be there like I was for decades but I can’t. Get behind the team, wear green and gold and what will be will be, like we sang in 77.
18.) 11 Aug 2019 09:58:14
Or maybe more fans have woken up to the real problems at the club and realised that most if it isn't down to the managers.
19.) 11 Aug 2019 10:12:47
Mort
My position on the strategic issues with the owners, the debt, the structure of the club has been aired on here regularly. The lack of success isn’t just down to the manager, we had one of the best in Mourinho yet they didn’t support him (and it cost us £20m more to sign Maguire a year later) and if he couldn’t succeed it tells you something is inherently wrong. However, that doesn’t make the present manager the right one. However he is in place so we support the team and get on with it.
20.) 11 Aug 2019 11:52:31
Give him more time than the last three managers? Who's been saying that? I think the general consensus is, like with all managers, a bare minimum of two transfer windows at the very least is required. Haven't seen anyone say he deserves more than Jose got. But I have seen a couple on here want him gone before a ball was kicked.
21.) 11 Aug 2019 12:50:40
Who said give him more time? But shouting for him to be sacked already seems a bit harsh.
22.) 11 Aug 2019 14:08:53
Managers have not been the biggest issue for the last 6 years.
23.) 11 Aug 2019 15:08:41
Ken
The biggest issue at the club was the leveraged buy out. Then the lack of any strategy or plan to replace SAF.
24.) 11 Aug 2019 18:34:28
Manager looks a breath of fresh air,
09 Aug 2019 18:20:04
So according to Ole, signing a forward would have blocked Greenwood.
Well! Then why were the team in continuous negotiation for Dybala and Mandzukic?
Another lame excuse for failed window. I mean which team looking to improve on climb the table sells their best proven goal scorer, second best and most hardworking midfielder and replaces with no one.
Strengthening defence does not mean we can ignore the ongoing attack problem.
1.) 09 Aug 2019 18:50:08
You’re too late Stressha, all of these posts have been done now.
Roll on Sunday!
2.) 09 Aug 2019 19:55:39
It would have been far better to see the manager come out and criticise the board and his bosses wouldn't it? Would have been ideal prep for Sunday to say the day after the transfer window has closed to say he's really not happy with the squad he has.
Undoubtedly things are hardly in perfect working order behind the scenes at United but some of the reactions to this transfer window have been laughable.
3.) 09 Aug 2019 22:42:46
You ever thought it may not be true that they were after these players.
4.) 09 Aug 2019 22:51:13
Sees tha were they in for these players?
Because you read it in the Daily Mail or on Sky sports?
Really?
5.) 10 Aug 2019 03:43:24
How about you guys ask Ed002. Ha?
6.) 10 Aug 2019 07:40:19
@Srestha. "I mean which team looking to improve on climb the table sells their best proven goal scorer".
I'd hazard a guess the team that got fed up with a player who is stacking on the lard on a daily basis and has to be separated from colleagues being aggressive itching for a fight and finally fronting up to M Phelan after being late for a pre season match and missing the bus. The last incident OGS saw as the final straw. Conte is no push over and it will be interesting to see how long it is before lardy bloke falls out with him.
7.) 10 Aug 2019 08:00:34
Even the stories suggested Juventus offered those players to us, not the other way round. Plus Dybala would have likely played as the 10, not the main striker. Making a meal from nothing. I'm glad Greenwood is getting a look in, hopefully Chong, Tuanzebe and Gomes get a few games too.
8.) 10 Aug 2019 08:09:22
This is the diary of football as there's so many ways to interpret the game. However I’m not sure Lukaku was the best at anything and I’m delighted he’s gone as he was clearly causing trouble.
9.) 10 Aug 2019 11:45:02
He was the best at scoring goals at the club, highest scoring attacker both seasons he played.
We have been to, d that the club was looking to replace him, but were more concerned with getting an extra few million than giving themselves enough time to do it.
Now the manager is putting pressure on a 17 year old with basically no experience at the top level by claiming he’s the replacement.
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18 Dec 2024 23:08:50
Rashford getting dropped and then popping up with another interview is getting old. I don't know whether to give props to his PR team or cringe. It's like clockwork - every time he messes up, he's back in front of the camera with a long speech about how much he loves the club.
But let's be real: in football, talk means nothing. The only way to show your commitment is by showing up on the pitch. No amount of sweet words can cover up for a lack of effort.
I was done with him after that Europa League final when 36-year-old Cavani was running his heart out while Rashford was just jogging around like he didn't care. That moment told me everything. It's hard to ignore how he only seems to show up when a new contract is on the line. And once he got that shiny new deal, surprise, surprise - he fell off again.
Rashford's always looking for sympathy, like he needs a hug and a pat on the back to keep going. That's not the mentality we need. We need players who pick themselves up and fight for the team without someone having to hype them up. Look at Bruno Fernandes - people love to hate him, but you can't deny his work rate. Even when things go sideways, Bruno keeps pushing. Meanwhile, Rashford's fine when everything's good, but the minute things get tough, he stops caring. Half the time, he's just jogging around, not even trying to win the ball back.
Honestly, it might be time for him to move on. We're always talking about players throwing managers under the bus, and Rashford's name keeps popping up. Most of the current squad are players from Ten Hag's era, but it's guys like Rashford, with that weak mentality, who keep holding us back.
United needs fighters, players who stay hungry no matter what. Sadly, Rashford just ain't that guy anymore. I can't keep up with his drama anymore and would gladly offload him.
1.) 19 Dec 2024 07:54:36
Spot on.
2.) 19 Dec 2024 08:15:43
Agree Srestha.
3.) 19 Dec 2024 08:41:41
Rashford is plucking the emotional heart strings and some fans buy this twaddle. I don’t. SAF didn’t do emotional claptrap and we won trophies, we went all emotional in our decisions after he retired. Apparently Rashford went to the press before telling the manager, that’s utter arrogance and shows he needs an emotional crutch of being liked. Pathetic
Get rid of Rashford, boot him out now.
4.) 19 Dec 2024 09:59:17
I find all this a bit OTT. He’s not been in form for a while and obviously doesn’t suit the system, but I don’t get the completely personal manhunt against the guy.
5.) 19 Dec 2024 10:50:40
Spenno - probably because the lad earns £350k per week and scored 8 goals last year, 7 this year, goes out clubbing after defeats, turns up late to training and has sulked around the pitch for 2 years.
6.) 19 Dec 2024 11:43:41
I am aware of all those things, but it’s obsessive for so many.
7.) 19 Dec 2024 13:21:23
I don't get it either spenno.
He's been lashed for the last 18 months. Most saying he has to leave then when he said the same himself he still gets lashed out of it. He is only saying what everybody wanted? I hope he goes on to do well elsewhere and finds some happiness.
I'm glad he is going and I'm glad he said it.
8.) 19 Dec 2024 13:26:45
Spenno
I for one take it personally when I (someone born with no privilege of extraordinary talent) pay a hefty purse to sit in a stadium surrounded by many thousands of others who, like me, have had to wade through comparatively menial graft all week to see our team play, only to feel cheated when players display a general show of apathy - I take it as an insult and a general f*** you.
I've seen Cantona being presented as some sort of 'Gotcha' reference, but anyone who thinks there's merit in that counter needs to clean their spoon. Cantona did none of the histrionics plebbage, none of the woe-is-me interviews plebbage, but he did things from which nonchalant players can be afforded something of a pass - he entertained the crowd with his mercurial gift.
Rashford has talent, he is also a bloody good athlete, but if his in-game actions which relate to those two factors are at least matched in quantity by instances of petulance, disinterest and laziness, then he is making it difficult for the fans to engage with him - which is even more frustrating given he's a local lad.
I don't hate the guy, but I have fully reconciled with having reached the very same level of disinterest in anything he has to say about the current malaise of his footballing career as he frequently shows for the general expectation of your average matchgoing fan - I couldn't give a shiny one.
I don't to be insulted by his apathy anymore, I don't want to feel cheated of the miniscule contribution I make to his enormous wealth anymore, I don't want to see the 'Me' articles that filter out so swiftly at every juncture anymore, I'm just tired of his crap.
Personal yes, but that's of his making. ?♂️.
9.) 19 Dec 2024 13:52:36
You're spot on with all of that Ork.
Given everything you've just said, I really don't understand why people are wishing him well and all the best and good luck and future happiness.
I don't have any respect for him and I have contempt for how he has conducted himself. His crap is part of the cancer which has affected Manchester Utd for years. We should be delighted to see the back of him and hopefully he will be replaced with a proper player.
10.) 19 Dec 2024 14:03:27
Silly mentality from Marcus Rashford.
Turned up to pro level to get that contract and once signed he declined rapidly like every game he aged a year.
He obviously taught in his little mind that wow 350k I am at the top I can stop now. i believe his brother is in his ear making sure he does not pull a hammy. he needs to buy fashion.
Whilst he avoids any sort of tackle, Sprint that could cause injury his step over is affected to and caused many crashes.
Time to depart for him.
11.) 19 Dec 2024 15:18:58
Ken, amen to that.
03 Sep 2024 02:23:17
Although players had their part to play in the awful game we had, ETH needs to take responsibility as well and not bring on "trophies" everytime things go wrong.
We are basically one bad pass away from being 2 vs 4 which is absolutely astonishing. Arne Slot wonderfully discussed our system where two wingers high up on the pitch is basically enough to tear down our midfield with just one simple pass.
As bad as Casemiro was in yesterday's game, he should not be in that position. One bad pass from your DM should never be enough to completely be in exposed position. ETH absolutely needs to adopt in a way where the team is compact and loosing ball everytime does not open up the whole team.
1.) 03 Sep 2024 04:00:59
That seems obvious to everyone who is not Eric Ten Hag. In theory it could make for some very exciting games but it would require Bruno and those ahead of him to be able to make final passes and score a far higher % of the chances created. It's not like we didn't have any. Both teams had 3 shots on target. United had more corners and slightly more possession. It was not dissimilar to the preseason game, where, again, we had plenty chances but Liverpool put theirs away.
It's very frustrating. We really ought to be getting better results even with all the errors, deficiencies and a squad with too many non-contributing highly paid players. ETH no doubt feels the same frustration, and that with just a little bit of luck the whole thing will suddenly come together and he'll be vindicated. That's why he keeps sticking to his guns. Einstein, on the other hand, said that insanity was repeating the same action over and over again and expecting a different result. Despite Berrada's comments coming out in full support of Ten Hag, I think we're midway through the second half and it's Eric Ten Hag 0 v 2 Einstein. He's going to need a strong come back. Maybe a win in Fergie time?
2.) 03 Sep 2024 05:57:31
Einstein never said that.
3.) 03 Sep 2024 06:22:57
Rita Mae Brown from the book Sudden Death.
4.) 03 Sep 2024 11:56:45
Silly me. I googled it and it backed me up. I must be in error. I'll stop repeating it.
5.) 03 Sep 2024 21:02:00
Erik "Ten Trophies" Einstein,
05 Aug 2024 01:27:54
I might be in a minority here but i am really getting pissed with Luke Shaw. I am sure a lot of people will come to defend him here but i was expecting him to be back in training.
Agreed that he had extended season with the Euros but it was not like he was playing games week in week out for the whole season.
Dude was injured for almost the entire season and played maybe 2 games in the Euros and is still on holidays while Bruno, Dalot, despite playing the whole season as well as Euros are already back.
I understand injury does not mean you are on holidays but usually holidays mean you are taking a break from lot of games that wears you out. Shaw being resting for the entire year, I was expecting him to be back to training before any other guys. He is allowed to take extended break but if he was serious about the coming season, he would have shown some commitment.
Going back couple of years, the only time he had an amazing season was during his last year of the contract. Immediately after signing the contract, the season after he came overweight.
I love the bloke but i seriously doubt his professionalism. For me LB is a major issue we have to fix. You never know, he might miss the season again with injury as i don't see him trying to get fit.
1.) 05 Aug 2024 08:59:08
I agree I think he should be back now and contributing after having so long off. It’s what I would do and what I’d expect others to do.
But then you have those personalities who see nothing wrong with what they are doing and Luke appears to think he deserves this holiday. You’d think someone at the club would have told him that he needs to get back, maybe that hasn’t happened. And he’s never been the sharpest tool in the box has he.
2.) 05 Aug 2024 09:06:08
Pre Season is nothing like it used to be with the increase in competitive games, internationals etc. It very much feels like the NFL where it is about fitness from training whilst navigating through the games without injury.
On Shaw the best thing is for him to miss the games in America, let him rest from the Euros whilst doing some more training back at Carrington. The Euro's may actually help come the competitive games to have got him up to speed so holding him back now makes sense.
We will need to manage the full backs this season, If we can get Dalot/ Mazouari split the minutes on the right and 30/ 35 games out of Shaw on the left with the remainder coming from Amass/ Malacia and Dalot/ Mazouari filling where needed.
3.) 05 Aug 2024 09:38:17
From what I can gather the club can’t force him back as players have to have 3 weeks off, Bruno, Dalot etc didn’t get to the final so they were back a week earlier, it’s just the rules so no point in being annoyed at the player. If he came back and got injured immediately you’d be saying he should have had a break.
4.) 05 Aug 2024 13:46:58
What on earth are you talking GDS? Did you even read my post. I mentioned that he is entitled to his holidays but if he is any serious he would turn up to training sooner than others as he has been absent for long period of time. If you want to talk about Bruno and Dalot then it is funny you spoke about one final they didn't get but not the tons of games they had to play week in week out while Shaw was taking a rest due to injury.
I maintain again, you train to stay fit and sharp, not go to holidays. He can do light training to stay fit and not rush to intense training. Having been absent for entire season, i believe that is what professionals should do. And we fans also should stop defending players who do not deserve defending.
5.) 05 Aug 2024 13:47:30
Shaw should have been sold years ago
He can’t stay fit regardless how good he is the guy can’t be trusted to play every week
Far to long we’ve kept hold of players that at any other team with ambitions to win major trophies would have got rid,
I’ll give him 3 weeks into the season before he’s out again.
6.) 05 Aug 2024 16:41:39
I think its based of Eufa rules and players must get 3 weeks off but i may be wrong, so even if he was back you can't play him. For all we know he may have been training at one of those camps in portugal.
7.) 06 Aug 2024 00:31:13
Stress head,
No idea why you are ranting at me, I said from what I can gather it’s the rules, rules which mean the player has to have 3 weeks off, no need for that response, pretty obvious what I was talking about.
8.) 06 Aug 2024 01:30:21
It is rules, not law. Plenty of time players have come early to training cancelling the vacation. That is what real professionals who want to prove something do.
Shaw might be entitled to that holiday but if he wanted to stay fit and prove his ability, then he would easily cut off his holiday and return to training soon. The only reason he took extended break is because he is a terrible professional who usually comes back overweight.
Great left back but always injury prone and poor professionalism means should be sold this summer if not next summer.
19 Jul 2024 01:52:43
Is Ugarte what we need? For a guy who has never watched him, how good is he and will he be able to replicate Casemiro's first season at United?
1.) 19 Jul 2024 02:59:55
Ugarte is an elite ball winner.
Another player about to hit his peak. Would complement Mainoo well.
2.) 19 Jul 2024 03:59:45
Ugarte is certainly a different type of player to Casemiro.
While the latter is more physically dominant and a little better at reading the game, the former is a far more aggressive and busy player who should offer more to the high press.
Just imagine how scary the triumvirate of Licha The Butcher, Leny The Bulldozer and Manu The Piston could be - ?.
3.) 19 Jul 2024 07:21:21
Yes, as Messi what he thinks of him.
4.) 19 Jul 2024 08:10:25
I haven't seen a ton of him, but from what I've seen he looks very, very good in many respects. Some question over his positioning following turnovers, and he isn't amazing in his distribution, but the latter is an acceptable weakness, as he'll be playing safe passes to players like Mainoo and Martinez who are better at progressing the ball.
5.) 19 Jul 2024 08:19:52
My kind of player, running around mopping up and protecting the back four without any glitz or glamour. Maybe a disservice to his skills but that's exactly what we've lack for a long time. Another cog for the wheel.
6.) 19 Jul 2024 11:42:38
He will add the aggression and work rate our midfield needs.
He isn't an expansive passer, but with Mainoo and Bruno in midfield we don't lack for players who'll progress the ball forward, what we lack is defensive work rate and nous.
Ugarte has that in spades and seems very well suited to the EPL.
17 Jul 2024 04:22:43
So I am curious, did Sancho apologise to ETH or did they just decided to not talk about it and move on? No reports i have read mentions about him apologising.
Personally, reading at the reports by laurie whitwell about how Sancho acted in training and disrespected the manager, i want him gone regardless. More than the talent, this club needs players with the right attitude. Sancho stinks at his attitude and i am pretty sure he was waiting for ETH to get sacked so that he can enjoy his laid back life at our club.
1.) 17 Jul 2024 07:30:43
Sounds to me it is just being papered over so that he can return to training whilst we continue to try and find a buyer.
He may stay, but if someone is willin to pay close to the money wanted he will be gone i think.
2.) 17 Jul 2024 07:49:20
From somebody who’s also wants Sancho gone, why do you need the details of the conversation?
The player is unlikely to be here on September 1st, but there’s nothing any of us can do about it if he is.
3.) 17 Jul 2024 08:29:21
Eddie Howe's name is being mentioned.
4.) 17 Jul 2024 09:37:30
Wasn't Eddie more of a centreback?
Don't jest, maybe he's on the list.
23 Jun 2022 22:00:45
Bookedredmole!
You must be kidding.
It is not character assassination, it is the truth. I can't believe people are defending one of the worst player to ever play for us. No wonder this club is rotten to core now.
For your info, Jones has rejected multiple contracts from other clubs where he could have played regular football. The reason he rejected them is because he does not want to leave his comfort zone. I mean he is getting paid for not doing anything. A passionate footballer would take a paycut and try to move to a place where he could play the beautiful game again.
He has earned around 20 million pound in past few years without contributing anything at all. That is called leeching. If you love this club, how can u accept people like him? I guess him not playing recently has erased the old memories of his horrible football and maybe one wolves game as raised his prestige among the fans. Unbelievable.
23 Jun 2022 02:41:29
Noucamp!
Thats exactly my point Noucamp.
We should really have that sort of 99% of people
at our club. Jones might have done what is best for him no doubt but how is that helping us as a club. We need to stop thinking from Jones point of view and think from the club’s perspective.
22 Jun 2022 11:02:48
Shappy!
Firstly, we rarely had good defenders that could carry Vidic and Ferdinand’s legacy. Jones and smalling started because they were the best among the bad bunch of defenders so it is not really a convincing point.
Second, you mentioned about his injury record which is even frustrating because u can't even have him at bench if for some reason we needed him. He is a poor defender with absolutely horrible injury record which us the reason why he should have been let go a long time ago.
I am really surprised how easily you said that he gives his 100%. I guess it is because you forgot all the horrible defending we saw from him few years back and there was clear lack of effort from his side as well.
Wolves game last season does not erase all the horrible games he had. If one good game from him justifies him earning millions of pounds that otherwise could have been properly invested, then i am not sure what to say to that.
Further, his attitude clearly does not strike as someone who wants to play football regularly. He has rejected multiple contracts from various clubs despite knowing that he will play next to nothing here.
You did raise good point though ” why choose to take a pay cut to sit in a smaller physio room at another club. ”. It is the exact reason i don't want him and nor anyone should. Why would u want a player spending all his time in a physio room and leeching the funds that we as a fans have paid.
He had bags of potential to be one of the best defenders but wasted it. And it is not only down to injury but also his desire to work for it.
People really have a short memory. If Jones had played next 10 games after the wolves game then i am pretty sure he would have horrible 7 games (if somehow he wasnt injured again) .
It happened a lot before and because he is not playing anymore, i believe fans have already forgotten about how poor of a defender he was.
I am pretty sure if let's say Maguire get injured for a whole year, people will soon forget how horrible he was because there will be another regular poor performer who will be getting the blame.
22 Jun 2022 10:46:51
Noucamp!
Looks like u missed my point. I am blaming the club for giving him the contract but that does not mean that Jones is blameless.
The amount of money he is earning as a lumpsum could have been used for better use. As for a football player who usually has 15 years of career, i have seen a lot of player who take a paycut to play the game they love.
Jones isn't that player and should not be anywhere near this club.
22 Jun 2022 06:49:44
OakBark
If you are that sort of employee than the company shouldn't really want you. Should it?
Jones might not be wrong on his part taking the deal and earning without playing. But, as a fan of this club, we should not be here sitting accepting that. It is nowhere acceptable.
GDS, Ken
You have thought from Jones point of view but how about trying to think from fans view. We as a club should not do it. Yes! We did lot of wrong things but that does not mean it should continue.
What sort of footballer do you want? The one who wants to play and contribute and earn? or the one who doesn't care if he plays or not but only cares about money?
I know what kind of players i want at my club but not sure about you. Defending Phil Jones is laughable for someone who wants the club to get back to its best.
21 Aug 2024 02:03:46
You never fail to amaze me Shappy.
I will be blunt and say that Jones was a leech to the club. Getting paid without putting any work.
He was a player with world class potential but at the end came out to be below average defender. He and smalling were called the chuckle brothers because those two at our centre of defense were recipe for disaster.
He wasnt first choice under LVG, Mourinho and Ole. What are you talking about. LVG preferred Smalling and Blind, Mourinho rooted to get good defenders but wasnt given and Ole never even played Jones really.
Jones would challenge Martinez and De ligt is a laughable comment really. Man would get dribbled by almost any one and challenged Carragher for own goals.
He was a horrible defender and was lucky to get a contract from incompetent Ed Woodward.
I am now convinced that you have a soft spot for Jones and hence trying to speak highly of him.
A player with high potential but was below average defender and no way was first choice for any of our managers. Never was interested in playing football and was happy to get paid regardless of playing. In that scenario, i respect Smalling at least he showed desire to play and moved to Roma even when he had 4 more years of contract with United.
At the end of the day, I have no respect for Jones at all. Was a horrible defender and was lucky to get 5 years contract given to him. No way i want his type of personality coming to the club and getting into coaching.
06 Aug 2024 01:30:21
It is rules, not law. Plenty of time players have come early to training cancelling the vacation. That is what real professionals who want to prove something do.
Shaw might be entitled to that holiday but if he wanted to stay fit and prove his ability, then he would easily cut off his holiday and return to training soon. The only reason he took extended break is because he is a terrible professional who usually comes back overweight.
Great left back but always injury prone and poor professionalism means should be sold this summer if not next summer.
05 Aug 2024 13:46:58
What on earth are you talking GDS? Did you even read my post. I mentioned that he is entitled to his holidays but if he is any serious he would turn up to training sooner than others as he has been absent for long period of time. If you want to talk about Bruno and Dalot then it is funny you spoke about one final they didn't get but not the tons of games they had to play week in week out while Shaw was taking a rest due to injury.
I maintain again, you train to stay fit and sharp, not go to holidays. He can do light training to stay fit and not rush to intense training. Having been absent for entire season, i believe that is what professionals should do. And we fans also should stop defending players who do not deserve defending.
07 May 2024 00:35:56
Rashford will never find his form. Might play well few games but that is it. He has been the same for last 8 9 years and that won't change.
Sancho TBH i wouldn't say has found his form. He played really well last week but that is it. He has been there for 5 months and has scored 3 goals with numerous below average performance.
Attitude wise as well, I would much rather see both of these players leave.
02 May 2024 11:37:39
How on earth are people blaming ETH for Rashford’s failure? His best season was last season under ETH. This season he has been horrible but should the drop off should be this visible?
Dont forget that Rashford had similar lack of effort when playing under Mourinho and Ole as well. He played well under LvG most probably because he was young and wanted to show the world what he can do. Unfortunately, once he cemented his name in the team, he does not have any motivation. Had glimpse of quality under Mourinho and Ole but never realised his potential.
To blame ETH for a player who has never proven himself for other managers is laughable. He has himself to blame.
Shappy defending Rashford is funny. Defending a player who clearly looks uninterested in the filed is laughable. Regardless of his problems with manager, he needs to perform well. I understand players cannot play well every game but definitely can work hard fir the team in every game. Rashford at times simply gives up and provides nothing. And it is not only under ETH but under ole and Mourinho as well. Should we blame Ole and Mourinho as well?
To be honest fans are also the reason club is such a mess. Defending a player who does not give a crap about the club. Wow. A player shows his commitment to the club on the pitch, not on twitter.