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18 Jun 2019 09:45:02
Editor 002 has there been any progress on this revolutionary across European league that was mooted previously?

Is it still an option and if so does could potential Brexit implications limit or exclude British sides from participation?

MAZE

{Ed002's Note - It has nothing to do with Brexit and will likely be discussed again in Monaco in a August. I have previously explained what the situation is- try searching on 2024.}


1.) 18 Jun 2019 12:33:00
Yes shall have a look. Good to hear the idea is still being discussed. Hopefully it completely ruptures the entire Uefa set up.


2.) 18 Jun 2019 16:48:27
Typical JMB. No P's or Q's and only interested in the anarchy caused. Sigh. Anyway, thanks Ed002 for the likely time and place for the next meeting.


3.) 18 Jun 2019 23:47:03
Southern not real sure what your post is getting at? Actually not entirely sure why you have posted at all. Seems bereft of thought.


 

 

14 Jun 2017 08:16:57
G'day Ed,

Do you know if United have shown any interest in Robertson from Hull? Fantastic player and much better than Shaw in my opinion.

MAZE

{Ed001's Note - not sure I even slightly agree with your assessment of him, and United have not shown interest in him. So far anyway.}


1.) 14 Jun 2017 08:23:40
You don't rate him ed?

{Ed001's Note - he is not a top half Prem player, very average. Falls apart under pressure when I have watched him.}


2.) 14 Jun 2017 08:39:34
I'd disagree with that assessment Ed. When I have seen him he has looked solid. He will have a host of clubs chasing him in my opinion. I would go as far as saying he would be an improvement on the left backs at 4 of the top 6 clubs aside from Chelsea and Tottenham.

{Ed001's Note - he has a couple of clubs after him yes, but that is more because there are so few left backs, rather than because he is outstanding. I have no idea what you call solid, but he is not strong in the tackle (or strong generally), positionally suspect and was often caught in no man's land for Hull as he did not get forward strongly enough nor track back quickly enough. He never seemed to know if he was a full back or wing back and ended up being in neither position. His left foot is massively overrated as well, his delivery is good but not great, when he has time and space. The minute he is put under pressure it becomes terrible, ending up whacked into touch a lot of the times.}


3.) 14 Jun 2017 09:42:05
Ed I must admit I have to vehemently disagree with you on some of those points. It is a funny old game because some of 'lesser' parts of this lads game that you mention are parts I find to be his best attributes. For me his left foot is fantastic and he can whip in some nasty crosses for centre backs to cope with.

As for getting forward he will always try to make the run (should the managers tactics permit it) and busts a gut to get back into position. He is young and still learning so of course he will be a little rough around the edges but for me the ability is definitely there. I know a lad who has played with him and he is first on the field and keeps himself in complete perfect shape unlike our current left back who's ability is not in question just his ethic and commitment.

{Ed001's Note - I don't care who you know at Hull, if that is what you think is top class, then I fear for you. He is an average lower end Prem (at best) player. His left foot is far from fantastic, hence why he created so few chances last season. It is not so much his workrate that is the issue, as his positional sense, which is poor.}


4.) 14 Jun 2017 10:01:45
Ed I don't know anyone currently at Hull I was just passing on that this lad takes care of himself on and off the pitch. Again I did not say he was 'top class' but I think he is a really good player who can develop into a very good premier league fullback.

As for creating chances Ed, first and foremost he is a defensive player and for me he does that well. Secondly how many chances in total did Hull create last season? It is easy to snipe at his stats when he is playing for a pretty poor team. Let's see how he goes this season but I do rate him highly at the moment.

{Ed001's Note - plenty of other players created chances for Hull from a much weaker position to attack from. Clucas had far more of an effect going forward and did more defensively.

As for sniping at his stats, I am pointing out that this amazing left foot of his, despite a hell of a lot of chances to put a cross in, did little.}


5.) 14 Jun 2017 10:13:26
Ed I think Clucas had a pretty good year also but they play different roles so you cannot really compare them both.

You know as always I respect your opinion but it seems we disagree on this one. Let's see how he gets on next season with whatever club is lucky enough to get him!

Ps he does have a cracking left foot!


6.) 14 Jun 2017 10:50:05
Agree with Ed on this, if this is the calibre of player United need to challenge on all fronts maybe I am watching the wrong sport :-)


7.) 14 Jun 2017 10:50:26
Maze, I work in Hull. The fans say he's better at attacking than defending. Generally hit and miss.


8.) 14 Jun 2017 11:16:08
what do people think of our young left back d. mitchell is it worth giving him a couple of games.


9.) 14 Jun 2017 11:24:59
I thought against Palace he played well. It was the last game of the season with nothing for Palace to play for but, our youngsters played very well and it was a pleasure to watch them play. Tuanzebe, Harrop, McTominay, Mitchell and TFM may find themselves promoted.
They need a good pre season. CBJ needs one as well. We have places to fill in the squad since Schweinstieger, Depay and Schneiderlin have left. Jones and Smalling look likely to leave. Fellaini and Rooney could leave as well. Buy quality and promote our youth players.


10.) 14 Jun 2017 11:54:11
Gazpat have you seen him play or is he just not your cup of tea because he doesn't have a name like Moreno or Monreal?


11.) 14 Jun 2017 12:14:20
Robertson, Creswell, Bertrand - all much of a muchness for me. All mid-table PL standard, Bayern, PSG, Madrid, Chelsea, City, etc - all wouldn't bother to crane their necks, let alone look twice.

Mendy, Rose is the type of standard that will elevate us, much rather gamble on Shaw coming good than blow money on the others though.


12.) 14 Jun 2017 13:46:32
FAO Maze, I watched him 4 times, possibly 5 times last year so by no means a lot.

To say he is not my cup of tea because he is not foreign is ridiculous as I could name 4-5 Uk&Ireland based players with non-foreign names who I would class as currently better than him, older and younger.

Rose
Bertrand
Shaw
Gibbs
Tierney
Ben Davies

Bar Tierney all above have proved over the last few years they are at a far superior level to him imo.

As ED mentioned he is mid table team player at best. But it appears you can't allow people have their own opinions.


13.) 14 Jun 2017 14:24:09
Touche gazbat.


14.) 14 Jun 2017 14:24:49
I'll give you Rose and possibly Bertrand. Shaw at the moment for me is not as good as Robbo. Davies is capable on his day but nothing special. Tierney doesn't get the nod ahead of Robertson in the Scotland squad so why would you feel he is superior? Gibbs is bombscare so please forget that altogether.

It is all about Opinions but like I said above except Spurs and Chelsea who in the top 6 has got a better left back currently (and don't say Shaw as he isn't currently better)?


15.) 14 Jun 2017 15:12:29
Maze, I hear your opinion, and I have mine, I think Shaw right now is a better player, comfortably better, Tierney has had a somewhat breakout year this year, and will replace him in the Scotland setup very soon imo.

As mentioned just my opnions. If you disagree that is yours, but Manchester United need to be aiming a lot higher than Robertson calibre in y opinion, I would go as so far to say, I would prefer Darmian at left full and not spend the money on Robertson. I would give Shaw / Darmian / Rojo / Blind and Youth a chance before him.


16.) 14 Jun 2017 15:25:51
Just some stats from the web :

Ben Davies
Games 48
Minutes 2603
Goals 3
Assists 3
Average Rating 7.14

Andrew Robertson
Games 45
Minutes 2737
Goals 1
Assists 2
Average Rating 6.67

The stats seem to back up my opnion though.


17.) 14 Jun 2017 15:40:57
To be fair Davies is playing with better players than Robertson. So his stats should be better, even though I hate stats. One of those assists could have hit him on the back of his head accidentally, or he could have put 100 beautiful balls in only for the striker to finish - who gives the rating as well, we can't agree on here what to give our own players out of 10 and what we are basing things on?

Alli, Kane and Eriksen are all a lot more clinical than any of the Hull attackers as well. Their full backs mainly attack, Hull's mainly have to defend. Comparing apples with rotten apples, imo.

But again Davies is in the catchment of starter for mid-table team imo.


18.) 14 Jun 2017 16:02:42
I agree Beast, Mid Table player, not saying we should sign any of the players I listed, just saying I feel the players I listed are better than Robertson, including Ben Davies. So it's not let's sign the best Foreign player, it's let's sign the best player we can for a position.

Just feel the comment from Maze sounded a lot like Wilkinson the other day when he was moaning about United signing Lindelof instead of Keane.

It's not a foriegn vs English or Home Grown.

It's about ability.


19.) 14 Jun 2017 16:29:50
Wilkins apologies, Not Wilkinson.


20.) 15 Jun 2017 01:37:02
Interesting you make that comparison between Wilkins and I Gazpat because I am not English so I have no issue of preference over an English based player and a foreign national.

In the past though even on this forum I have seen players ridiculed who are British but Foreign players get off scot free because they have a fancy name.

As an example a few seasons ago Carrick and Rooney were getting constantly bashed whereas players like Di Maria and Falcao were getting a free ride. In hindsight who do you think was more deserving of the criticism?


21.) 15 Jun 2017 02:51:18
Maze, did Gazpat make that observation about Rooney/ Carrick being to blame over Di Maria/ Falcao? If not, then I'm not sure why he needs to answer your totally hypothetical scenario. I also don't see anything in his original post to suggest he favors foreign named players over homegrown. You seem to have a bee in your bonnet as usual.


22.) 15 Jun 2017 08:19:03
Again, I will reitterate, I don't prefer any one nationality over another (Although I would like to see an Irishman back at the club :-) )

People have favourites and people will moan about players, honestly it's a fans perogative to have a moan, we all pay money to watch and support, we are all entitled to opinions.

I can also distinctly remember Falcao not getting a free ride here, ok he would of gotten away lightly but still had his haters.

Di Maria played for one season, couldn't settle / wouldn't settle.

Personally I have no concern of where a player was born and raised. What I care about is ability.

Personally I would of sold Rooney when he tried to force through a move the first time.

But the manager (s) all know better than me, hence why my career ended at the ripe age of 24 :)


23.) 15 Jun 2017 09:01:05
How did either Falcao or Di Maria get a free ride?

I don't remember Falcao being talked about much here, but I think that's just because we forgot he was playing for us.

As I recall, Di Maria was bashed pretty mercilessly when he wasn't performing, and didn't get the praise he deserved when he played well.

I agree that Rooney always takes a bashing whenever he isn't playing out of his skin, but at the end of the day, a lot of people never forgave him for asking to leave (even though the reasoning he gave might as well have been copy-pasted from these pages at the time) .


24.) 15 Jun 2017 07:38:38
HB please see Gazpats post below:

{Just feel the comment from Maze sounded a lot like Wilkinson the other day when he was moaning about United signing Lindelof instead of Keane.

It's not a foriegn vs English or Home Grown}

So please tell me who is making these "hypothetical scenarios" again?


25.) 15 Jun 2017 09:39:07
Agree with pretty much everything there, I think the pace of the league didn't suit Angel or Falcao.

I was a huge Rooney fan, I thought he could do it all at one point, he has gone down hill rapid over the last few years, a lot of the criticism he receives is over the top, but I think we should have gotten rid of him three years ago personally, when we could of received a decent chunk of cash.

But that's hindsight.

PLayer bashing is one thing and fans having a moan is another, but some players fans just don't like.


26.) 16 Jun 2017 00:33:36
Maze, where this all stemmed from was you mentioning I didn't like Robertson because he didn't have a foreign name.

I then listed a lot of players who I feel are currently playing better / are better imo.

The conversation then seemed to switch to Home Grown vs Foreign, and I simply pointed to your point you made and made a very close comparison to what Ray Wilkins said on TV just this week.

You then said players are getting an easy time beccause they are foreign, which was nothing got to do with what we were talking about.

I can have a conversation / debate over players and ability, we can disagree, but stop making out people are saying things they don't or didn't say to suit your argument it's petty.

Again this was about Robertson, a 23/ 24 year old from Hull who should not be a target for a team wanting to get back to being one of the best teams in Europe, there are a lot of left backs playing in Europe who would be a damn site better than him. That is a fact.


 

 

01 Aug 2016 13:48:13
A friend of mine who is a big Juventus fan has just returned from Italy on a family vacation and was telling me what the locals have to say on the Pogba deal.

This probably won't be news to anyone but according to the guys living in the shadow of The Old Lady Pogba really does not want to come back to Manchester and his agent as well as the club are trying to force the move as much as they can.

Apparently both Juventus and the agent know that Pogba's stock is at an all time high and it will only take one poor season for that figure to plummet hence why they are doing all they can to make a deal happen. Man Utd are the only team willing to meet the terms.

He said if Pogba signs then of course he will come out to the media and say all the right things like 'its great to be back etc' but deep down his heart isn't in it and the player feels he is being backed into a corner which is why the deal is dragging on.

Interesting to hear that Juventus are trying to force the move as all we have read in the paper is that Pogba's 'greedy agent' is trying to make the deal happen.

MAZE

1.) 01 Aug 2016 14:00:19
maze
this won't go down well.


2.) 01 Aug 2016 14:23:12
Isn't Pogba quoted as saying last year that he was in love with Manchester and considered himself a Mancunian, that is why he was devestated when Rafael played instead of him and he decided to move on. Somehow I think he is itching to get back and prove to Fergie just how good he is.


3.) 01 Aug 2016 14:30:26
When I was in Liverpool for Uni I knew everything about Liverpool players' thoughts and wishes. Honest.


4.) 01 Aug 2016 14:39:06
I thought you were in China😀😀😀
I'm not sure that pogba iis such a weak individual that he well be from marched to OR against his will.
Madrid could well be his favoured destination but I know he loved his time at OT and coming here add new face of the ckub will not be a hardship.


5.) 01 Aug 2016 14:50:31
Juventus have to sell to balance the books, especially with the Higuain fee. It doesn't surprise me they would force a move.

{Ed001's Note - no they do not.}


6.) 01 Aug 2016 15:09:24
Pogba merchandise was removed from juve's club online store today.


7.) 01 Aug 2016 15:31:06
People seem to be taking this well.


8.) 01 Aug 2016 15:47:04
dsg
i got in first so everyone would be nice ;)


9.) 01 Aug 2016 15:49:24
😁😂😂 very good dsg.


10.) 01 Aug 2016 16:12:51
This is pretty much in line with what ed002 said. I'm inclined to believe it. Sad if true.


11.) 01 Aug 2016 17:24:40
Frankly I don't care. Listen, no one already at a big club is going to be super excited about moving to rainy Manchester. But pogba will do a job, hopefully make us CL contenders next season, and if in three or four years he's still desperate to move to Madrid or Barcelona then we can recoup much if not all of our cost and move on. If the team reaches its potential with the ridiculous attacking talent we have in store, I think pogba will absolutely love his football, if not the rain.


12.) 01 Aug 2016 18:16:28
Bang on KG.
That view won't go down well with the knockers 😀😀😀.


13.) 01 Aug 2016 18:54:57
Fairly in line with what some of the Eds said. I don't really care to be honest. It's a job at the end of the day, I've been in jobs that weren't my dream jobs, however I was well paid and kept happy, did my job very well. And Pogba has always had good things to say about United. Maybe not his 1st choice but apparently a good professional and will no doubt do the business for us on the pitch. At the end of it all that's all that matters. Don't understand how people have become obsessed with him and if he's worth it, are we his first choice, bla bla bla. World class CM end of.


14.) 01 Aug 2016 18:58:17
Imitation is the sincerest form of flattery. Or in this case a bit creepy.


15.) 01 Aug 2016 19:00:28
Was beautiful in Manchester today, gorgeous August summer day 😂.


16.) 01 Aug 2016 19:09:31
Well said Angel.


17.) 01 Aug 2016 21:17:00
You think Juve would of spent the cash they have without the deal already being done? No way, they've gone out and spent and done the deal so clubs aren't negotiating knowing they've got the tick end of £100m in the bank.


18.) 02 Aug 2016 13:21:43
Assuming you are correct there Maze (not about Pogba, but about the Fans knowing everything), I am just trying to imagine the scene in Turin, as follows-

Pogba inside the stadium with the manager and the owners discussing the future and Pogba says I don't wanna go but the owners are adamant. We want the money Paul and you are free to leave but only to Manchester since they will pay what we want. After a brawl including Mino Raiola, Paul walks out onto the streets of Turin all crying and sobbing. Momma please save me, I don't wanna go. no no please no. I don't wanna go to Manchester. Madrid are my heart and soul and first choice. In the heart I swear.

How on earth would a lay man on the street know what Paul Pogba wants? I don't even know what my wife wants and she lives with me all day long.


19.) 02 Aug 2016 14:15:33
Now who's the liar maze? Lol tell you're friends uncles guide dogs brother, sure obviously Italy knows where Pogbas next destination is, like every Italians a Juve fan that's 'ITK' . I call BS!


20.) 02 Aug 2016 15:42:41
I was over for the villa game and got sun burn😅😅😅, had the flu on the Monday but we won't mind that.


21.) 02 Aug 2016 21:51:21
I don't get how. The player, this day in age holds all the power so if he didn't want the move he'd say no. Juve would rather have him for another season than miss out on how much? £30-40m? Seems strange he'd be forced to go.


22.) 03 Aug 2016 12:23:03
Cr92 how am I a liar?

A work mate goes to Italy as he does most years and chats to a few locals on his travels about his favourite club. I relay the information here and I am a liar?


23.) 04 Aug 2016 23:24:40
Not you Maze . He meant Rollo 😆😆.


 

 

30 Jul 2016 12:11:31
Schweinstiger apparently training on his own. Maybe the end of the road at United for the German?

MAZE

1.) 30 Jul 2016 15:29:44
Perhaps they couldn't find a bib big enough for him?


2.) 30 Jul 2016 16:56:24
I'd be sad to see him go, however, I think that's me thinking about how good a player he used to be and not about what he's done for United. In truth if he leaves it's probably the correct decision because his performances have been below par since joining.


3.) 30 Jul 2016 17:30:27
I'm not bothered if he leaves, as far as I'm concerned we never signed the Schweinsteiger I knew, and rated among the very best. It's sad when a player comes for all the wrong reasons, I read Vieri is making a China come back yesterday, horrible.

I suppose Schweiny won't be too bothered he got to play at the Euros, is adored at Bayern and is probably earning £500 for every stride he makes whilst training by himself.


4.) 30 Jul 2016 21:13:22
Beast you wanted him to be our captain just a month ago.


5.) 31 Jul 2016 00:56:46
I wanted him over Rooney as captain. It's more of an indictment on Rooney.


6.) 31 Jul 2016 01:13:06
Im hoping that at the age of 31 he's not already knacked and jose can get a tune out of him.

A fit and motivated pig commander would be a real asset for us.


7.) 31 Jul 2016 07:19:40
I always thought one day I'd marry Kylie and when I think of her it is in her hey day whereas she has now entered her Schweinsteiger years, not as fit, not as supple, and just doesn't have the same impact nowadays.


8.) 31 Jul 2016 09:03:34
Beast
That sums up the anyone but Rooney attitude very well.


9.) 31 Jul 2016 09:58:04
Ahh
You still would tho.


10.) 31 Jul 2016 10:59:19
Side note schweingsteiger doesn't mean pig commander - its more pig farmer.


11.) 31 Jul 2016 12:03:44
Jred, too right, she's been the object of my affections for years, that's probably why we signed Schweini.


 

 

03 Apr 2016 08:47:03
Speaking to a friend who has had dealings with football clubs in the past through representing his organisation and he filled me in on a few things he has heard regarding United. This guy has previously told me in advance about the Ryan Giggs off field saga well before it hit the papers (his organisation were involved in the litigation process) and the West Ham takeover by Eggert Magnusson in 2006 (his organisations worked on financials) to name a few. His organisation are currently dealing with Red Football (albeit not on anything major at the moment) .

Firstly he claims the Glazers are actively seeking buyers for the club in 2017 but the price will be colossal and they will be stepping up the search in coming months. Apparently he has been told that Joel Glazer in particular has had several meetings over the past few months regarding future ventures post Man Utd and Woodward will in all probability expect to exit the club also should it be sold.

As far as the club is concerned presently the Glazers and Woodward would like LVG to see out his contract until 2017. The reasoning behind this is that if a new buyer takes over the club in 2017 it will allow them to choose the successor to LVG. This would mean the new owner isn't bound by any contractual agreement to the manager in place at the time, meaning they won't have to fork out millions to see the back of that manager should they not feel he is the man they want in charge.

Finally, the claim that Ryan Giggs may be future United manager seems to be also a fabricated story to the media to keep the wolves away from the Glazer's, Woodward's and LVG's door especially when his first season was going pretty poorly (which makes sense as LVG himself fanned these flames many times) . In actual fact the Glazers don't plan to appoint any successor to LVG as the don't plan to be at the club.

The club will be happy to use the influence of SAF and SBC to appease fans (which also makes sense as SAF backed LVG a few days ago and SBC has been an open critic of Mourinho in the past) . Ultimately though it will all come down to the will of the fans wether LVG is in charge or not but as it stands at the moment the club want him to stay and even have involved in pre-season planning etc.

Sorry for the long post and take from this what you will but I thought it was information worth passing on. Also I can't name the organisation my friend works with as I am sure you would understand.

MAZE

1.) 31 Mar 2016 10:39:32
Ed, thanks for the quick reply!

What are your opinion on the players? Do you rate them?

{Ed001's Note - the Ajax lad looks good, but they have a couple of others as well I would look at. Sanches looks a special talent and Dembele I really like the look of. The issue is not how good they are or can become, it is whether United is the right place to develop them. They need the right environment or they will stall, similar to how Stones is stalling at Everton because they have the wrong manager to teach a player how to defend. I am not sure that United is the right place for them. These youngsters need to go somewhere they will play every week to develop them to their fullest.}


2.) 31 Mar 2016 10:47:45
Cheers Ed, Dembele would surely start if we bought him? We don't have a right winger so he would surely get plenty of game time.

Who else do you like at Ajax?

Do you know of any defenders we are after?

It sounds like the club are targeting the right players, going for the long term rather than buying a guy just because he has a name.

{Ed001's Note - but then you have Lingard pushed out in the cold, just as he is beginning to settle into the side. It seems silly to buy another player that needs developing, unless the club decides Lingard is not good enough.

I like Cerny, Milik, maybe Sinkgraven, El Ghazi and Veltman could be good in time too.

You have certainly shown interest in Veltman and Mustafi, but it is difficult to say who you will go after as Laporte's injury has put Man City back in the chase for a centre back. With the pull of Pep, allied to the huge money, it means everyone else is really going to be getting whoever they don't go for.}


3.) 31 Mar 2016 10:54:58
Well Ed001 I would argue against that actually.

Martial came in and has been given a great chance and grabbed it with both arms.

Rashford is doing well after being given a chance. Shaw would most certainly have been a first team regular if not for his injury.

Lingard is getting games too. And previoualy welbeck, cleverley, de gea all were given regular chances at a very young age.

I would think United would be one of the best options for these youngsters and have a very convincing argument of having regualrly bought/ brought through youngsters and given them real chances to bring them in.

These players play as strikers or as box to box midfielders, both positions in which United need players.

{Ed001's Note - my point is you already have the youngsters to develop, you need the experience to surround them now.}


4.) 31 Mar 2016 12:02:21
Rewz you have given a huge spiel on the Banter page in regards to getting behind Depay for the next few seasons but you are saying this 18 year old lad Dembele who I have never heard of will come straight into the side as we don't have a right winger.

So what is it, get behind Depay or get this teenager into replace him?


5.) 31 Mar 2016 12:07:54
Depay is a left winger, he's played their the entirety of his professional career.


6.) 31 Mar 2016 12:14:35
I apologise for my use of their, I'm hanging my head in shame.


7.) 31 Mar 2016 12:22:02
Left/ Right does it matter? If your good enough you can play on both. Martial is making the left his own so where does Depay fit in?


8.) 31 Mar 2016 11:38:21
Milik looks a good player, do you think he's better than Janssen of AZ?

{Ed001's Note - no idea, sorry.}


9.) 31 Mar 2016 12:34:22
Martial's future position will be striker, Depay dropped out the team and Martial stepped in and has done a really great job thus Depay hasn't really got back in.

We play enough players out of position already, we bought Depay because by some distance he was the best left sided prospect. There is a reason Bayern etc wanted him. Give him time and I'm sure he'll grow into the goal scoring left forward we thought we signed.

Dembele is a two footed goal scoring wide forward/ 10 with pace to burn something we lack. We've lacked balance in attack all season and we've certainly lacked pace on the right.


10.) 31 Mar 2016 14:36:17
Reckon we'll only go for one youngster and that will be Renato Sanches.

I would expect us to go towards a 4-3-3 next year and it will be byes byes to Fellaini, Mata, Carrick (hopefully he becomes a player/ coach he seems great with the squad) so we'll be in the market for a midfielder maybe even two. Would love to see us go for Kroos aswell.

Dembele looks to be a star in the making but we need a proven top tier forward to come in. Would only take him if we sent him back to rennes for 2 years.


11.) 31 Mar 2016 15:09:20
Agree with ed its experience we lack. Look at the defence. The most experienced player is mike. In midfield its Carrick an Bastian but their nearer the end than their peak.


12.) 31 Mar 2016 18:37:00
I'm also with you to a large degree ed.
I would like to see zlatan brought in along with a proven right winger mahrez possibly in the attacking areas. They can help develop Rashford depay lingard and martial
But in midfield we have the relative experience of herrera and Morgan and the vaat experience of bastian and only possibly pereira and mensah coming through. I think sanches looks a bit special and is very worthwhile pursuing. But I also think we need some natural defensive energy in midfield and would like kante
In defence we need a ball winning experienced cb that is s talker and leader. However the vidic / terry type cb are in short supply. This will get the best out of smalling. We also need an experienced rb to compete with darmian.
So a mix of experience in key positions like cb rw and striker but if 1 or 2 of Europe's elite youngsters become available and we can get them then we should get them on the condition that room is made for them in the squad by reducing the vat no of experienced fringe players we have at the club that will make little or no contribution.
Valencia young rojo carrick fellaini mata and rooney for me are the players that should leave in the summer to make way for a few new experienced players and some new or coming through young players.
In a 55 game season very few players start more than 35 games nowadays. So there is room for a lot of players to develop but only if the pathway is ruthlessly cleared for them they way it was for the class of 92 and the great Barcelona generation.


13.) 05 Apr 2016 07:23:20
Ken that doesn't make sense! I'd agree with a couple of outgoings but you suggest selling our experienced players so we can buy experienced players? Think a lot of people need to appreciate what likrs of carrick Rooney mata bring to squad / dressing room! We need to learn from past mistakes of selling all our experience!


 

 

 

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02 Jul 2019 09:24:05
Good to see the Bissaka deal get over the line and seems like the club plan to back the manager with a few more coming through the door.

Think the club, Mr Woodward and the owners have to be applauded to an extent as since Moyes they have backed LVG, Mr Mourinho and now seemingly OGS in the managers seat.

Yes they get a lot of stick, (from me included) due to some failed signings and appointments, along with some poor strategic decision making etc but there is little doubting there is a willingness to continually re-invest in players in an attempt to get the club back on track.

Kudos and hopefully the club make some good progress this year.

MAZE

1.) 02 Jul 2019 10:42:11
Read the other day that the clubs valuation has dropped by over 1 billion, down to £2.35Bn down from £3.60Bn since August last year. This is mostly due to performance on the pitch and a failure to qualify for the UCL.

I do wonder how the owners will react to this, will it be the wake up call they need to change focus to improving things on the pitch rather than increasing sponsorship.

Although I was never a fan of Jose at United, I agree he was significantly backed in his first and second summers, yet he was far from "significantly" backed last summer with Fred, Dalot and Grant being the only players bought in, while the club would not entertain selling players he felt needed to be moved on. This did undermine him during his final season somewhat. Although it was HIS reaction to it ultimately lead to his dismissal.

Also Fellaini and Mata were the only players brought in for Moyes which I don't think quite counts as significantly backing him. Not when deals for Bale, Kroos and Fabregas were pursued that summer.


2.) 02 Jul 2019 10:59:30
Shappy don't forget Alcantara. Seems more like we were snubbed by some 'targets' in the Moyes' regime probably because of the uncertainty with fergie leaving more than coach not being backed.


3.) 02 Jul 2019 11:10:08
First time I feel the clubs are following a clear plan in recruitment.
The rumoured targets are mostly British, young, pacey and skillful.

The plan seems to be like building for long term.


 

 

01 Jul 2019 09:26:03
Editor 002 can you please repost your list of targets who MU have shown interest in? I have had a search through the page but can’t seem to locate it.

Cheers
M.

MAZE

{Ed002's Note - Search on Manila’s.}


1.) 01 Jul 2019 10:06:43
Assuming that was Manolas Ed. Found it. €32m to Italian sides but €50m to English sides. Called it again Ed. Any significant changes since your last post? Anyone new being hawked around the MU may be stupid enough to cough up for?

{Ed002's Note - Not beyond what I have posted - I am not going to keep posting the same things.}


2.) 01 Jul 2019 10:25:34
Maze from looking at Ed’s list, the 3 viable options are most likely Milenkovic, Maguire and Dias. Ed has struck off alderweireld, koulibaly, de ligt, sule for various other reasons. Personally, I’d love Dias but I think we may end up with Maguire if City aren’t willing to pay the money. Good player, and an improvement on all bar lindelof, but not worth the extortionate fee imo. Wouldn’t be upset about Milenkovic either who I think is a very good player with the ability to be brilliant.


3.) 01 Jul 2019 11:09:14
Shaw, Lindelof, Dias and AWB will be a solid defense to build for the future.


4.) 01 Jul 2019 11:40:20
A double raid on Portugal for Fernandes and Dias would be nice.


5.) 01 Jul 2019 18:51:50
Please stop with this Editor rubbish.


 

 

27 Jun 2019 09:17:24
Editor 002 hoping you can clear something up. I have been told by a source ‘in the know’ that as part of the Bissaka deal with Crystal Palace, United have renegotiated the conditions of the agreement in regards to Wilfred Zaha’s future transfer rights and what United may receive should he move on. Do you know if this is correct?

MAZE

{Ed002's Note - You cannot negotiate a players contract without his agreement.}


1.) 27 Jun 2019 10:00:23
MAZE,

Most sources are saying that Palace wanted to change the Zaha deal but United refused so it did not happen.


2.) 27 Jun 2019 10:19:13
Cheers Ed. To clarify is a sell on clause a part of a players t&cs or is it a separate commercial agreement between both clubs as part of the transfer? I am curious as I thought it would have been the latter.

{Ed002's Note - Any additional considerations such as sell on clauses can impact future payments made to players and have to be contracted and signed.}


3.) 27 Jun 2019 10:29:18
Cheers Ed. Hope all is well and the toxics aren’t getting you down during the transfer window.

GDS2 I hope that is the case as it would have made the negotiating for Bissaka essentially pointless. The whole Zaha at United Saga is one of the most baffling things to happen post Fergie and is the type of player United are screaming out for now. At least if the media is correct and the sell on fee is large it will be good business in the end.

{Ed002's Note - The embarrassed themselves completely yesterday morning. I have no idea why the sell on value of a player to the club is of any interest.}


4.) 27 Jun 2019 10:45:42
Yes Ed, I had a look through yesterday, it wasn’t great. There was a post last week about how the Glazers are running the club into the ground, not reinvesting revenue into the club and have the audacity to seek some income from an asset they own.

I almost fell of my chair reading it.


5.) 27 Jun 2019 20:05:07
If only you were here to defend LVG from the toxics who wanted him out, Maze.


6.) 27 Jun 2019 21:06:37
Sepp LVG was a disaster mate. Complete disaster.


7.) 28 Jun 2019 06:48:37
MAZE

LvG was not a complete disaster. My opinion before we appointed him was that we should have gone for Klopp but when we went for LvG it should have been part of a restructuring exercise, using his knowledge to build a structure, like Ajax or Barca. The end game should have had Pep lined up to follow him, but the club treated him like any other manager, showing his appointment was ill thought out, with no logical reason behind it. If you look at all the managers Woodward has appointed there is no link, no obvious thought process. LvG won a cup which is more than one and very likely two of our managers since SAF.


 

 

20 Jun 2019 10:48:42
Hey Editor 1 where you the posts get moved to these days that I assume are removed as they get too long? It used to be the other page?

MAZE

{Ed001's Note - I think you need the discussion page but not sure as I am not certain I deciphered your question correctly.}


1.) 20 Jun 2019 11:02:53
Yes Ed was poorly worded. Ok noted. There was a discussion around Saudi’s and the Glazers. Was interested to see responses but it seems to have gone.

{Ed002's Note - It had to be removed as a number of the posts were very clearly libellous.}


2.) 20 Jun 2019 11:10:19
Ahh what a shame. Glad to see it hasn’t changed much around here.


3.) 20 Jun 2019 11:36:50
Ed1 also Andy Robertson, what do you reckon? I told you the boy was a gem. Don’t you love when you get that type of player for an absolute bargain?

{Ed001's Note - he wasn't a gem but he has been turned into one and is one hell of a player now.}


4.) 20 Jun 2019 12:03:49
Ed1 don’t want to brag but saw the potential in the boy at Hull and was desperate for United to sign him (got ripped to shreds on here at the time) .

Glad he has done well and actually even surpassed expectations to an extent. Wouldn’t mind seeing United look at the other young Scottish right back Tierney, seems similarly dynamic.

{Ed001's Note - if you say so, but you are never shy of bragging!}


5.) 20 Jun 2019 12:27:39
Ed I agree he wasn't a gem but turned in to one, then we look a vvd he was a good defender at celtic and Southampton, but now he is one of the best in europe,
Is it klopp and his coaching staff that are making them world class with a a lot of determination from the players themselves.
Something is working for them.


6.) 20 Jun 2019 12:56:13
True Ed, very true!


7.) 20 Jun 2019 14:59:34
Leahy - think part of the problem is that English fans/ media write off players that played in the SPFL. Nobody in Scotland is surprised by VVD's prominence and those who followed DUFC knew Robbo had it in him.

Celtic fans also knew Moussa Dembele would be a star and now its Tierney that every Scotland fan can safely tip for stardom.


8.) 20 Jun 2019 19:45:55
True So72, I like Tierney, surprised he isn't being talked about more.


 

 

20 Aug 2017 12:45:03
Ed001 if you are around what did you make of my young mate Robertson's debut yesterday for Liverpool?

I know we had a debate a while back when I said I wanted him to sign for United and you thought he was poor.

Has that performance changed your mind at all? I still reckon he will be a hell of a player.

MAZE

{Ed001's Note - no because he never had to do any defending and it is his defending that worries me. He panics under pressure, he did it a couple of times yesterday on the ball. I am hoping he will improve that aspect as he grows in confidence and experience, but yesterday was never a test for him. Palace played hoofball football and never looked to get at Liverpool down the flanks, just hump it in Benteke's direction.}


1.) 20 Aug 2017 12:51:47
Ed granted CP aren't the greatest team but you have to give him credit for the way he handled himself on his debut. He will get better defensively but the way he flies up and down that left wing is fantastic and I thought he was man of the match yesterday.

In this market it is a steal for what you guys paid for him.

{Ed001's Note - not sure it is fantastic, if you watch it again he is attacking the space Mane is looking to use and blocking it up after Liverpool moved him to the left. He needs to learn to hold his runs when there is a winger in front of him. He had a good game but was nothing special. He gave the ball away a fair few times, trying odd balls that just weren't on. He was certainly not MOM, Mane was far better than anyone else on that pitch and Gomez had as good a game as Robertson, just didn't get forward as much, which was not a bad thing as he had a winger in front of him. You don't want a fullback in the way of a winger. You want a fullback supporting a winger, not being the winger.}


2.) 20 Aug 2017 13:21:39
Wow Maze you have a mate, and he plays for Liverpool, wow.


3.) 20 Aug 2017 13:49:49
You are a hard man to please Ed001.

{Ed001's Note - I expect the best mate, Robertson is not that. He is, however, a huge improvement on Milner or Moreno there and that is a start. He just needs to keep improving.}


4.) 20 Aug 2017 14:08:23
Ed 01 if you "expect the best" you are following the wrong team in red. Should be following Man Utd.

{Ed001's Note - erm no.}


5.) 20 Aug 2017 22:49:16
Ahhh. Fwend!


6.) 21 Aug 2017 09:13:41
Liverpool fwend.


 

 

 

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27 Jun 2019 12:24:51
Agree with Ed2. If the cost is significant I believe we will overpay for a relatively untested player. Better out there for the mooted price in my opinion.

MAZE

 

 

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27 Jun 2019 10:57:30
Ed2 what is latest on Declan Rice? Media talk seems to have dried up.

MAZE

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27 Jun 2019 10:35:18
Good player GDS. The young Spanish midfielder who played behind him was good also.

MAZE

 

 

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19 Jun 2019 00:01:21
Difficult to understand why United are targeting all of these ‘Mourinho targets’ when OGS has a different style to that of Jose. What is the plan? Surely there must have been some sort of arrangement on strategy when OGS was appointed to the managerial post. Baffling.

MAZE

 

 

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18 Jun 2019 23:47:03
Southern not real sure what your post is getting at? Actually not entirely sure why you have posted at all. Seems bereft of thought.

MAZE

 

 

 

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04 Sep 2019 23:35:30
Ken would agree with Newcastle. Also like Goodison - it has that old school feel about it and the place makes noise when Everton do well.

MAZE

 

 

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04 Sep 2019 11:04:54
Good for him, he is trying to snatch an opportunity but will not take United to the CL this season. Recruitment has been a shambles.

MAZE

 

 

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03 Jul 2019 23:14:52
Agree editor 001 Toby (if fit) is in my opinion the best CB in the league followed closely by VVD. I thought United would have pushed for Toby as a short term solution but guess change in gaffer and lack of CL put an end to that.

I am not fully against Maguire but his price is hefty for what he is - as you say average. His main weakness for me is on the turn and I am not sure VL has the pace to mop up after him if he is caught out.

MAZE

 

 

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03 Jul 2019 23:11:04
The answer is No way Jose. It does beg the question though, how do you justify the value for money difference of £70m between Cahill and Maguire?

MAZE

 

 

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01 Jul 2019 10:16:23
Yes Ed1 loves it.

MAZE