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31 Aug 2020 15:18:07
Dear Ed,
Do you know what happened to the rumored transfer of Filip Stevanovic to United?
Thanks.
{Ed002's Note - Try searching.}
03 Jul 2020 16:03:48
Dear Ed02,
Do united still hold an interest in Dybala? And are Juve willing to let the player leave?
Thanks.
{Ed002's Note - No, and if he signs the contract without his requested caveat he will certainly stay.}
1.) 03 Jul 2020 19:23:05
Ignore my last comment I've find a post lower down
Thanks.
07 Apr 2020 08:43:49
Dear Ed02,
Can you tell us who united are currently or were looking to sign for the right wing position before the lockdown?
{Ed002's Note - Jadon Sancho (RW) The total cost of the full package (transfer fee, agent fee, signing on fee and FA payment) is simply outrageous - otherwise he would be moving to Chelsea. Some interested sides will be shocked in to stepping back because of the costs - so Inter can be removed as they are looking to take another youngster from England; Juventus have other players they will look to first; Manchester City see him as over priced. Manchester United are very keen but the budget may not stretch and they have been looking at other options for the summer but they could return with an offer, which they have not done yet. Jadon Sancho is down the list and too expensive for Barcelona - he would want assurances of game time and he not first choice for them as they have a priority signing who will soak up a lot of the funds. Real Madrid have a different primary target who will cost a world record fee which will kill any chance of a move if it happens. PSG are not looking at Sancho and expect a similar, although older, player to be offered to them in part exchange in the summer. If Liverpool are looking to replace Salah I think there are cheaper options who would suit their needs available. So potentially an option for all of these sides but the total cost would need to change considerably for something to happen. The player will not move without Champions League.
Ferran Torres (RW/LW) considered as a potential Jadon Sancho replacement but likely priced out of a move to Borussia Dortmund who have a host of other options that are being considered by them - although they remain very keen. Will end up at Real Madrid or Barcelona in all probability at some point - but if Salah were to depart Liverpool he could well become an option for them but for now that is not the case. The player has made no secret of his desire to join Barcelona at some point. Valencia have a replacement lined up but the €100M asking price for Ferran Torres would need to drop to make a transfer anywhere viable this summer. JUventus has enquired after his availability but would need to make sales to fund a move. A third party has suggested to Manchester United that he Ferran Torres would be a better option to Jadon Sancho as the deal would be far, far cheaper for them.
Federico Chiesa (RW/F) much more affordable than Sancho but is already part of discussions to move elsewhere.
Isaac Lihadji (RW) kiddie from Marseille who is attracting interest of several leading sides - will not be interested in joining MU but Arsenal and Spurs have spoken with his agent - much to the annoyance of Marseille. Common sense dictates he should sign a new contract and stay where he is but Lille and Dortmund are prepared to put high value offers on the table.}
1.) 07 Apr 2020 10:30:18
Thanks Ed02, very insightful.
{Ed002's Note - You are welcome.
2.) 07 Apr 2020 10:33:18
Although Ed, I was wondering why Chelsea are interested in Sancho. They already have pulisic, Ziyech, hudson odoi and possibly mason mount for the wing/ inside forward positions.
{Ed002's Note - Mason Mount does not play on the wing.}
3.) 07 Apr 2020 20:29:19
Thanks for all the brilliant information Ed002, very much appreciated!
The figures bandied about regarding transfer fee for Sancho by various tabloids does indeed seem astronomical: £115 million (plus, as you suggest, all extra costs) Do you think that the current pandemic and the consequent impact on club finances is having/ will have a significant impact on transfer fees in the next window?
Thus do you think the huge sums of money mentioned for Sancho, Mbappe, Neymar etc will actually be achieved or will buying clubs look for much lesser fees/ Selling clubs have to accept less money?
thanks again for any information you can divulge.
Wallace.
{Ed002's Note - That is not the price of getting him before kicking a ball - it is a great deal more. Something in the order of €210M.}
4.) 07 Apr 2020 20:53:51
Thanks fir the really quick reply Ed002! Wow!
That really is so much money to pay out, especially when United need other players as well.
Do you think United would really pay the full price for him or do you think they’ll try to negotiate a much lower fee?
Thanks again for all info. (Just to push my luck, would we still be interested in Grealish if we spent so much money on Sancho? )
{Ed002's Note - The problem is not the €140M wanted by Dortmund, although Chelsea would like that reduced, it is the other costs that are a major issue.}
5.) 07 Apr 2020 21:10:14
Thanks for insights into the transfer package - so much we don’t know about.
From tbe fees you must at the beginning of tbe thread, guessing many of these are non- negotiable, so hard to see how United could bring the fee down apart from bargaining with Dortmund over the huge £140m fee.
Thanks again for your time and hope you and your family are staying well in these strange and worrying times.
{Ed002's Note - Prices are in euro not GBP - the big issue is the requested €50M agent fee.}
6.) 07 Apr 2020 23:49:32
For 210 millions i would prefer Feran or Chiesa. Feran seems unlikely and Chiesa is heading elsewhere so i would even prefer none. Ed002 hope you are well, which agent Jadon Sancho have?
{Ed002's Note - I am OK right now thanks, but I suspect matters will get much worse in England before it gets better. I doubt you would know him but his agent is Obadiah.}
7.) 08 Apr 2020 00:48:24
Thanks for the quick replay Ed002. Hope you stay well mate.
{Ed002's Note - And you.}
8.) 08 Apr 2020 12:12:27
Sancho seems like the clear first choice, and its obvious why. He has a higher ceiling than most other possible targets, while also being English would provide a top level homegrown player.
For United the idea of having an English front three of Sancho, Greenwood and Rashford will be very appealing. While Chelsea might be looking at a similar thing with Sancho, Abraham and Hudson-Odoi.
That said unless the overall cost of the transfer can come down it might be a hard one to get over the line.
That said there are still other options out there, Chiesa, Ferran, Ousemane Dembele, Bernardeschi, Cengiz Under, Zaha, David Brooks, David Neres, Leon Bailey, Adama Traore, Richarlison, Berardi, Zaniolo.
It really depends on what kind of wide player you want, do you want a counter attacking knock and run player like Traore, or do you want someone who can come inside and be a playmaker such as David Neres.
9.) 08 Apr 2020 13:54:05
This is where a proper scouting department and manager are imperative. That figure for Sancho is ludicrous. He's a great talent with a wonderful future ahead of him but he's not the only winger out there.
Identify an alternative target (Shappy has easily named alternatives) that will fit in with the ethos of the team Ole is trying to build.
It seems we still havnt learned from our failings in the transfer market over the last few years. Overpaying on fees and our handling of the wage structure needs to be addressed. It would set again a terrible precedent to make a 19 year old one of our highest earners. You open the door to all our young players coming through to ask for similar wages.
Though I'm not that impressed with what ole serves up on the pitch, the work moving players on and recruitment has been refreshing. There is no need to simply go back to chucking mountains of money at our problems again.
10.) 08 Apr 2020 14:52:16
Mumbles, I agree we need to tread carefully with Sancho. We could easily get our fingers burned if we splash out on huge wages for him.
That said, sometimes it is best to spend what is necessary to get your first choice target if they are available. Liverpool waited until both VvD and Alisson were available then spent a huge amount to bring them in. Those two signings lifted the club from top four challengers to title challengers/ winners.
If Sancho is the final piece of the puzzle, then spending big to make sure we get him might make more sense.
However, great scouting might be able to unearth a better fit. Let's see what transpires. It's a long way between now and next season. We have this season to try and finish first, then the whole transfer window (whenever that is) .
{Ed002's Note - Liverpool forced VvDs availability through an illegal approach and him going on strike. Alisson was not first choiuce for them.}
11.) 08 Apr 2020 16:26:56
He certainly isn't the final piece of the jigsaw Shappy. We've just about got some edge pieces identified. Liverpool seemed to have a free run at VvD and Alisson is a very good goalkeeper. Liverpool have a manager with a clear plan. They were rocking going forward and would concede silly goals. Shoring up the back was the final piece for them.
We on the other hand have some trouble at the back. But that might be down to lack of cover in midfield, again an area that needs addressing. RW definitely needs improving. Decisions need to be made about a striker too.
We've been poor dealing with clubs. Struggle to get decent money for our players and don't seem to have the basic skills on how to negotiate, Bruno being a prime example.
Chelsea seem to have their head screwed on when it comes to transfer dealings. The likes of Shaw in th past, not paying those wages for a young left back. We on the other hand will pay it no problem, slowly inflating our wage bill so that average footballers are now on wages that make it incredibly difficult to shift. When we do have offers for the likes of Rojo and Smalling, we move the goalposts at the last minute and not eventually selling them.
Chelsea want Sancho but not at that price, they'll walk away. We'll spend the whole summer trying to play 4d chess getting the price down, only to pay the exact price quoted.
We should make it known straight away we're moving on to other targets.
12.) 09 Apr 2020 10:48:52
Mumbles, I agree we are more than one or two signings away from having a squad capable of challenging for the title.
Yet, when you have a look at the first 11 we aren't a million miles away. In goal I don't think there is a club anywhere in the world with a better selection of goalkeepers than DDG, Romero and Henderson. So we are set in goal.
AWB has cemented his place at RB, Shaw and Willams are pushing each other to improve at LB. While Dalot and Laird are good young options coming through.
Maguire has his weaknesses, but seems like a player we can build around. While Lindelof, Bailly and Tuanzebe offer good options with potential. A world class CB wouldn't go a miss, yet how many are there? And are they available? I'm not convinced by Koulibaly, he is just Maguire with pace, but lacks reading of the game. While most other options we are looking at are players with "potential" rather than proven top quality.
In midfield Fred has a shot at player of the year, he has massively improved and has been a serious contended for MotM in all the big games. McTominay continues to improve and is a leader. Bruno is a world class player. It's in depth we are lacking, TFM isn't good enough, Matic isn't consistent enough, while Andreas Pereira isn't anywhere near good enough. We could do with a new holding midfielder to replace Matic, and a creative option to replace Pereira.
Where we have a need for first team players is RW and possibly CF. Rashford and James have the left flank locked down. But Mata and Lingard aren't good enough for the right flank. Martial when fit and on form has massively improved and could be worth another year with more creative players around him to provide him with the ammunition to score. In my opinion only Greenwood is a more clinical finisher than Martial. Speaking of Greenwood do we bring in a first choice striker and force him further down the pecking order?
So for the first 11 what we really need is a RW. Beyond that a world class CB would be useful, yet with few available and with SEVEN first team centre backs on the books it might be a case of holding off another year and see how the potential world class centre backs develop elsewhere while moving a few off our books. Then it's depth in midfield, and depending on your view either a first choice striker or a back up striker.
My dream summer would look a little like this: Nathan Ake (EPL proven and would enable us to play a back three easily with good balance), Rice, Cantwell, Sancho and Ighalo. But in reality that is a dream. So which ones might be available and who is the biggest priority will dictate who we sign this summer.
13.) 09 Apr 2020 13:30:53
David Brooks looked like a top player until he got injured and it was a bad injury as well. I would be waiting to see how he comes back before even contemplating buying him. He has now returned to full on training so let's see how he gets on in the last 9-10 games of this season if it gets finished.
14.) 09 Apr 2020 14:49:49
Simo, he was looking a top talent before his injury. Hopefully he fully recovers and get back to where he was. I only mentioned him as he has been linked in the press in recent weeks. He clearly needs time to get back playing again and get some miles back in his legs. Rarely does it pan out well for a player to come back from a long injury while moving to a new club. Personally I think he needs a season before moves to another club. Hopefully Bournemouth avoid the drop and he can do that in the EPL. You can see the impact he has on Bournemouth due to the drop off in their results when he isn't there.
One player we are constantly linked to who I am not convinced by is Grealish. He looks like the kind of player who needs to be the centre of attention and the big man on campus. Clearly a talented lad, but when his team really needs him he seems to disappear. Also in my opinion he is the biggest diver in the league. I'm also not sure where he fits in. He won't displace Rashford on the left, can't play on the right, doesn't look suited to playing deeper in midfield so he would be competing with Bruno for the number 10 role? Spending upward of 60m on a squad player with a few question marks over his head doesn't make sense to me.
For me if we want a creative midfielder to take the role of Lingard/ Pereira in our squad then for me I can't look past Todd Cantwell. Comfortable playing from the left, from the right as a No.10 or even as a No.8. Young and homegrown, playing for a club that will almost certainly get relegated.
He could be the guy to rotate with Bruno, Rashford, and whoever we buy for the RW. While if we wanted to he could play alongside Bruno more centrally as two free 8's. Tactically flexible, young, talented, homegrown and potentially available with a great attitude and work rate. Would take him all day long over Grealish.
15.) 10 Apr 2020 15:29:27
As much as we need a RW, we need to make sure we're getting the right player at the right price. We need to take into account Greenwood's current level and output and work out whether or not splashing out over 100 mil is worth it for a player who may not even contribute more than what we've currently got. Sure Sancho's stats are phenomenal but so were mkhitaryan's. I'm not suggesting that Greenwood's future is as a winger, just saying that we should proceed with caution.
16.) 11 Apr 2020 11:45:59
Slunky, I'm not saying Sancho is definitely the best candidate. Just that in the surface he looks like the outstanding candidate. Young, English and scoring and assisting more goals than most from that position.
I have concerns about blocking Greenwoods path, but at the same time we need to balance that with not relying on him.
The advantage of Greenwood is that he is able to play right across the front line, left, right, central or just off the striker.
If we sign a RW and a ST, say Sancho and Ighalo. Then we have Sancho and Greenwood who can play from the right, one more creative the other more of a finisher. We would have the same balance on the left with Rashford and James, while Martial and Ighalo offer us two different kinds of strikers centrally. Those six would give us great balance and flexibility.
I'm not sure how often Lingard, Pereira and Mata will play next season or even if they will all be here.
But the clear area of uncertainty about who is first choice remains on the right wing. So we will need to bring someone in for that position.
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02 Oct 2021 20:11:03
Hi eds and fellow reds,
I need advice on something. During the last international break, I asked here 'Who everyone's preferred option was should Ole leave or be sacked by the club? '
By posting this, I somehow seems to have foreshadowed his sacking as utd's results have not been good ever since the last international break. I am looking for suggestions on how to undo this.
Thanks.
1.) 02 Oct 2021 21:05:27
I don’t think it was your fault, these ups and down will always happen under Ole whoever the players may be so don’t beat yourself up ?.
2.) 02 Oct 2021 21:27:08
GDS2, You still happy to see Ole carry on as manager?
3.) 02 Oct 2021 21:44:12
GDS2, nope. After the draw against southhampton, I had made up my mind that he has to go.
4.) 02 Oct 2021 22:12:38
Mumbles,
When did I say that I was?
My mind was made up after the Istanbul game last season, there have been ups and downs since then and he will sometimes do ok and sometimes won’t and it will always be like that. I’m not one for spending my whole life calling people names and ignoring all of the good things they have done just because I want rid of him, I can see the good he has done but can also see his major limitations, I think you’d have to be crazy to think Ole is an amazing manager. Once they gave him a new contract in the summer I felt like we were stuck with him so no point coming on a forum moaning about him the whole time, I tend to just comment on the games as I see them as nothing we say on here will make any difference.
It’s clearly not good enough and any improvements will be despite Ole not because of him, I’m struggling to see an obvious replacement right now, if there was one I think he would be under a lot more pressure than he is.
What tends to happen when Ole is under this pressure is that he goes on a good run of results and turns it around, I hope that happens, but his tactics are so poor that I can’t see it this time and it could be the beginning of the end. Unfortunately by then this season will be a write off and it’s a shame as the squad should be good enough to challenge for trophies.
5.) 03 Oct 2021 04:31:52
I only ask because you said close to the end of last season that you and your mates you go to the games with were happy with the manager.
6.) 03 Oct 2021 10:12:04
Mumbles,
I didn’t, I said my mates did and thought I was being negative when I was suggesting he isn’t good enough yet people on here seemed to be calling me an Ole lover when it’s not the case.
Good (ish) memory though I guess.
01 Jan 2021 00:42:23
Hi Eds,
First of all, let me wish everyone here a very happy new year.
Coming to query, its a general question and not particularly related to man utd.
Suppose a club pays a very significant transfer fee say 50 million to buy a player. The player is young, say 23, and has no physical or mental trouble. He has signed a long term deal, say 5 or 6 years. What happens if this said player decides to retire from football just a month after signing for this club? Can the club do anything to stop him? Again, the player is healthy when he decided to retire.
Thanks.
{Ed002's Note - Clubs need to insure players against injury but I am not aware of any scenario along the lines you suggest.}
1.) 01 Jan 2021 08:17:27
I don't think there is anything the club can do to stop a player choosing to retire.
I would imagine there are clauses in the players contact meaning that they won't be paid for the rest of their contact. I would also imagine that if the player decided to come out of retirement before the end of their contact then they would still be contacted to the club.
So in the scenario you suggested say the player has 5 years on his contract when he retires. But then a year later reverses his decision so would still have 4 years left on his contract then he would still be contacted to that club for the next 4 years.
I would imagine most contracts would have some sort of protection in place to protect against players retiring out of a contract only to reverse that decision and sign for someone else.
09 Aug 2020 10:50:00
Dear Ed,
Do United get any compensation for Angel Gomes?
Thanks.
{Ed002's Note - A Solidarity contribution is paid to his previous club(s) responsible for his training - this is 5% of the transfer fee received or assigned for out of contract players (apportioned 5% of the contribution for each year from the season of his 12th birthday to the season of his 15th birthday and 10% of the contribution for each season from his 16th to 23rd birthdays). So MU will get 70% of the 5% of the assigned transfer fee - which might be something in the order of perhaps £200k.}
1.) 09 Aug 2020 11:54:55
That should cover the cost of the sancho deal then, sorted.
2.) 09 Aug 2020 12:13:26
isn't that half the weekly wage of sanchez.
3.) 09 Aug 2020 13:27:44
glad it's not complicated or none of us would have a clue!
17 Jul 2020 07:24:35
I know Sanchez may not play for us again. But he is doing very well with Inter recently and will probably make it easier for us to sell him.
In the last 4 matches he started, he scored 2 goals, got 5 assists and is MOTM in 3 of those matches.
1.) 17 Jul 2020 07:41:42
Yeah.
He is been ranked the most influential player in Seria A post the restart.
Glimpses of the old Arsenal player.
2.) 17 Jul 2020 07:50:52
That is good news Dutchman - lends weight to the reports that Inter want him for 18m. Just hope he is ready to take the wage cut. We could do with a little extra dough at the minute - both for transfers and in the wage budget.
3.) 17 Jul 2020 08:49:05
All he needed was a run of games maybe.
{Ed001's Note - he needed a rest I think. Now he has had one and has come back like the player he is.}
4.) 17 Jul 2020 09:48:32
Really good player. Hard to believe how bad he played for ole and jose.
I agree ed001 on the rest but sometimes a club or manager is just not right for you. We've seen it countless times.
{Ed001's Note - I think he had that at Barca but still performed, it was only because Messi hated him that they got rid. Since then he has not had a proper break for years on end. Mental fatigue rather than physical, but it is more damaging to their play at times. I think he would have been fine at United if he had been given this rest to recharge at United rather than Inter.}
5.) 17 Jul 2020 10:53:18
Doesn't have the pace and ability consistently to hack it in the Premier League anymore. Confidence plays a factor aswell. Don't think he would fit in well with this current squad. Think it a combination of stuff mentioned above. He playing in a very inferior league aswell. He at the right club and league for him.
6.) 17 Jul 2020 10:39:48
Yes ed001 possibly but ole knows best.
{Ed001's Note - ah yes of course.}
7.) 17 Jul 2020 11:47:14
Think his future lies at centre forward now, still has that 5 yard burst and can wriggle out of tight spaces.
On the left wing at united he was next to useless as he couldn't beat his man on the outside and hardly made a run inside his full back.
14 Jul 2020 07:03:52
Arrrrrrgh, still pissed off at the result. But not blaming the manager or the team. It was a bit unfortunate with the injury to our players and
an injury time winner.
1.) 14 Jul 2020 07:39:49
This passing from the back thing needs to stop in case they are pressing us this high. It is not suitable for every game where both Maguire and lindelof split up across the keeper, invites unnecessary pressure. Never been a fan of it. Maguire too doesn't help as he dallies on the ball a bit too much and is slow. Even though Pogba lost the ball, the pass didn't help him either. We must realise that kind of passes are a weakness within the team with Pogba and Fred losing out in similar positions. Either they do not take a touch and pass it the same second, or the defenders hoofs it up instead. Aston Villa hit the woodwork from a similar Pogba mistake.
I don't want us to focus on the FA Cup, on the expense of losing a top 4 finish.
2.) 14 Jul 2020 08:27:01
I believe we are going to make some changes for the FA cup game. It would probably be
Romero
Dalot Baily Harry Williams
Mctominay Fred
Bruno
James Martial Rashford.
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07 Apr 2020 10:33:18
Although Ed, I was wondering why Chelsea are interested in Sancho. They already have pulisic, Ziyech, hudson odoi and possibly mason mount for the wing/ inside forward positions.
{Ed002's Note - Mason Mount does not play on the wing.}
07 Apr 2020 10:30:18
Thanks Ed02, very insightful.
{Ed002's Note - You are welcome.
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31 Jul 2022 20:03:35
You forgot about Garner. So let me do it for you.
Garner was meh. It was clear when Iqbal came on for him. Suddenly we were able to play through Rayo's press but with garner we were struggling.
26 Jul 2022 12:55:19
Not sure any player who was here to stay at the club would have come with his agent. He is clearly here to tell the club he is leaving.
02 Oct 2021 21:44:12
GDS2, nope. After the draw against southhampton, I had made up my mind that he has to go.
14 Jul 2020 08:27:01
I believe we are going to make some changes for the FA cup game. It would probably be
Romero
Dalot Baily Harry Williams
Mctominay Fred
Bruno
James Martial Rashford.
05 Jul 2020 19:12:35
Thanks for the info Ed02.