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15 May 2018 10:20:26
Hi Ed002 is you are around hope you are well mate. I know you said we had interest in alex Sandro but is he now our first choice target for left back? Thanks.

Park3lung

{Ed002's Note - I can't help with transfers any longer, sorry.}


1.) 15 May 2018 10:41:41
No problem thanks ed.


2.) 15 May 2018 12:32:14
If there is any truth in Sandro at 50 mill and the lad from Napoli as right back who seems highly rated at 44 mill -I don't pretend to know much about him -then Shaw and Darmian out as directly replaced for a net spend of 60 mill for a key part of defence with added attacking flair seems a good deal.


3.) 15 May 2018 12:52:37
would be a great pair of signings if true burrenway. I like Hysaj he looks a very good player. Only time will tell!


4.) 15 May 2018 12:25:31
Ed002 - is there any light at the end of the tunnel? When will you be back?

{Ed002's Note - Right now there is no plan to do anything involving transfers any longer.}


5.) 15 May 2018 14:46:53
Yes Park3lung, a bit of pace and flair going forward. I would then hope TFM comes into the first team squad as a back up rb to get him some real experience.


6.) 15 May 2018 17:41:54
Ed002 i am very sorry to hear that. I hope that there comes a time when this is all resolved and we have the pleasure of your wise words once more.

{Ed002's Note - Thanks, we'll see.}


7.) 15 May 2018 21:13:54
Most of us echo those thoughts Pogthedog, this site is a better place with Ed002 on board.


8.) 15 May 2018 22:41:22
Ultimately United will but whoever they buy.

{Ed033's Note - Sounds painful and unnecessary :)


 

 

10 Apr 2018 16:18:06
Hi Ed are the rumours of martial looking to leave in the summer true? Be bitterly disappointed if they are.

Park3lung

{Ed025's Note - i suspect he is angling for some more game time myself park..


1.) 10 Apr 2018 16:31:51
Smacks of short termism Ed if you ask me. I know he is not the finished article but if Jose really is looking to replace him with a 29 year old injury prone Gareth bale then I will be pretty livid.

Can’t blame martial he has 21 goals this season in all comps second only to Lukaku and played far less games. This has a feeling of De Bruyne if you ask me. Just my humble opinion 😂. Would much rather he was sent on loan.

{Ed025's Note - a loan to everton sounds good to me park..i love the guy..


2.) 10 Apr 2018 17:17:21
I’m fairly certain marital has 12 goals. he's a fantastic talent but doesn’t perform consistently enough, and if he doesn’t want to be here then get rid. If he does want to stay, he needs to get his head down and work hard.


3.) 10 Apr 2018 17:58:57
My mistake caolan was meant to say goals and assist. All together it would be 19 not 21. Agreed mate consistency is a problem but getting rid would be a huge mistake. If he wants regular play time a loan is better.


4.) 10 Apr 2018 16:46:50
Would be a great move ed he would get regular game time and in the premier league. But only if big sam is not managing him. A fonesca or Marco silva would do nicely! Fingers crossed he isn’t leaving but I’m not optimistic unfortunately. Thanks for your input as always ed much appreciated.

{Ed025's Note - no problem mate..


5.) 10 Apr 2018 18:25:30
This will be our kdb moment and given who the coach is not a surprise.


6.) 10 Apr 2018 18:40:48
Need to remember he is still young and developing. To maximise his potential he needs to play. I can’t blame the lad for looking elsewhere. The club took his number off him after he was trying to build a brand, we then bought Sanchez and moved him from his favoured position to the right. We then did not give him a run of games to get use to being on the right and then dropped him.

It does not demonstrate that he is valued. More gives the impression of you are here to make up the numbers and will be moved around or messed around as soon as we sign somebody else. I would be gutted if he left.


7.) 10 Apr 2018 19:29:29
I wanted him loaned out this season. He needs to play to improve and the scope for improvement is huge.


8.) 10 Apr 2018 19:38:01
Don’t be agree or get the love in with Martial. He’s a 1 in 5 player, and he needs to work hard every single day he’s here to prove he’s worth his chance.

We vastly overpaid for him in desperation and has been ok, but Rashford stays and plays more then fine by me.

Of course he could be awesome and fingers crossed it’s more media nonsense and he becomes a world class talent for us but he’s a striker not a winger.


9.) 10 Apr 2018 19:56:07
Caolan this is utd player's minutes per goals or assists ratio.

Lukaku- 110 mins per goal/ assist
Rashford- 111 mins
Lingard- 108 mins
Martial- 103 mins

Looks more like we just don't give him a consistent enough run to actually let him perform well consistently. He was utd player of the month 3 times this season until the 500k man arrived then mourinho did what he does best with young attacking players.


10.) 10 Apr 2018 20:50:03
Is it a case of the manager wants rid or the player wants to leave. Quite a lot quick to blame Jose an cite de bruyne but I think eds said that wasn't down to Jose.


11.) 10 Apr 2018 22:28:15
Sanchez is ten times the player Martial is right now. Blaming Jose for his sulky nature and lethargic style is ridiculous. Don’t get me wrong he has the potential. But he needs to work hard to get there. Where is he realistically going to be allowed to move to that are equal to Utd and actually start matches? Modern footballers wind me up no end.


12.) 11 Apr 2018 00:26:18
Martial reminds me of Nani. Extremely talented but not consistent and extremely frustrating. Not sure if it's an attitude or lifestyle problem but he needs to change.


13.) 11 Apr 2018 00:49:21
Csm, I understand those stats, but they can be misleading eg the opening day he scored and assisted with 10 minutes left, but it shows the talent. Unfortunately, He’s not progressed in 3 years, his first season here was without doubt his best. He needs to show more and just keep an eye on Tahith Chong, works his backside off and looks a top talent. I don’t think martial has the desire, so if he wants to leave, let’s get a good price and move on.


14.) 11 Apr 2018 01:12:38
Don't disagree Eric, but that 10 times the player has also been ten times the tripe and not been benched, if martial had 1 game like Sanchez had a dozen he won't be starting for most of the 12 or so Sanchez has played for us.


15.) 11 Apr 2018 05:35:26
Caolan I don't have a problem with selling martial if the replacement is someone like a dybala but mourinho will replace martial with the Croatian Ashley young because he tracks back better. 2-3 years down the line when martial would be tearing it up in a team that actually is allowed to attack we will be in a Wayne Rooney situation with 2 30+ pace merchants who would have lost their pace and will be on high wages and whichever poor sap replaces mourinho will be left dealing with the issue and again we will be in a transition period.


16.) 11 Apr 2018 09:50:23
Perisic is twice the player Martial is at the moment in the wingers position.

He will do the job Mourinho requires him to do.


17.) 11 Apr 2018 10:09:34
MARTIAL's problem is Martial. Talent but gives the impression he only does what he thinks is enough which isn't always enough. If a deal to be had is better then let him go but not cheaply.


18.) 11 Apr 2018 10:43:51
What exactly is this job Singh.

Martial pl stats- 1347 mins 9 goals 5 assists

Croatian Ashley Young serie a stats- 2686 mins 9 goals 5 assists.

Sqauwka do a defense score in their comparison matrix it reads

Croatian Ashley Young- -23.9
Anthony Martial- 60.82

Doesn't seem like a defensive stalwart by looking at those stats. Only thing Croatian Ashley Young is better at than martial is his crossing and having watched him more than a few times, it ain't something to write home about. If we sign an actually decent lb we will get a crosser most likely better than the Croatian Ashley Young.


19.) 11 Apr 2018 11:27:55
Perisic is a decent player nothing more .
Done ok at inter last couple of years nothing more . will be 30 next season.


20.) 11 Apr 2018 11:41:23
Perisic is a decent player, who has had a couple of seasons of good form. But as CSM points out he is performing at currently around the same level as Martial. However, Martial has potential to get better whereas, Perisic will only decline.

However, Perisic plays predominantly on the left, Martial supposedly isn't happy because Sanchez has taken his place. Rashford supposedly isn't happy because he isn't starting as many games as he would like and he too has predominantly played on the left for Jose.

So we have three players two of which are talented young players who all predominantly play on the left.

Lingard has stepped up this year, and Mata remains consistent, we then have Angel Gomes and Chong in particular knocking on the door.

So why do people think that if Martial leaves he will be replaced?

If he leaves we probably won't see anyone come in to replace him. Sanchez has already done that.

Jose wants at least one full back, preferably two. A centre back despite already signing two and having a super talented Tuanzebe coming through. And at least one if not two midfielders again having already signing two, and having McTominay, TFM and Andreas Pereira trying to break through.

The forward positions are bottom of the list and we will only likely see another forward join after 4-5 other players who are higher priority. Which means we won't be signing one.

So by all means wish a super talented young player away, but don't cry when he isn't replaced and he goes on to become a star else where. Just like Lukaku, De Bruyne and Salah did after Mourinho wasted their potential.


21.) 11 Apr 2018 11:58:14
Martial has been good this season when he's played. Has electric pace and the type of dribbling where it feels like the ball is glued to his foot. How many players in the world can you say that about? Add to that ice cool finishing and solid link up play. He is being wasted and will come back to haunt Mourinho like De Bruyne and Salah. Play Sanchez on the right (where he got his best goal and assist stats. Where he is comfortable playing) and Martial on the left of Lukaku. Serious skill, speed and finishing ability in that front 3 with Pogba supporting from deep.

But of course none of this is going to happen. Sanchez will play on the left to stunt Rashford and shuttle Martial out the door, while Martial will come back to piss all over us one day. Mourinho logic.


22.) 11 Apr 2018 13:11:53
Sorry but csm I don’t get why you’re comparing him to Persic, a completely different style of player? Once again thought it’s a minpulation of stats, whilst comparing two completely different players. I could find you a stat that says Milner was more creative than Scholes. I understand a lot of fans on here love martial, heck I’m a big fan of his, due to his talent but he’s not progressing on. Let me ask you this, would he have dug in on Saturday like Sanchez and tried to eat us big in the game. I don’t see the attitude from him that will make him a really top class player, that I know he can become. As snappy says there are young hungry players coming through the academy, so maybe let’s promote one and stick to the club values? Rather than spending our time on a player who has rejected a new 5 year deal (which shows the club value him) . It’s that reason why I’m not opposed to selling him.


23.) 11 Apr 2018 13:45:56
Martial isn't going yo get chances at United until Mourinho is here. Like Shappy has said Sanchez has already replaced him and if Mourinho signs another attacker it will limit his progress further.

He could be a superstar in the making but it just isn't going to happen at United unless something drastically changes.

Hr has had enough chances to prove himself at lw but hasn't really done much, stats are stats and it makes Ban Dost look like world class.


24.) 11 Apr 2018 14:01:30
So people want to sell martial?
Lot of people trying to justify the sale .
I do wonder if people would be wanting to get rid rid of him if it wasn't for the fact it's in the press .

Same goes for perisic being twice the player martial is . I doubt that would be the case if he wasn't linked to us last summer .
If martial signs a new contract has the club and Jose made a massive then reading above .
In fact are they in the wrong offering him a new contract?


25.) 11 Apr 2018 14:06:15
Perisic is twice the player Martial is at lw. Have you not seen how many times Martial loses the ball, makes wrong decisions and just stands their confused or even sulks when things don't go his way at lw.

Martial has loads of potential but not at lw. He will never be a winger unless he changes things draatically.


26.) 11 Apr 2018 14:11:48
Perisic is a lw isn't he caolan, milner scholes comparison is stupid but lw is lw styles might be different but end result expected is the same, it isn't mf where a pogba has different job to a matic. Your job as a lw is scoring or creating goals. Ronaldo and Beckham were different players with different styles but we expected both to either create or score goals. If we sign a lw we will expect him to score and create won't we?

You ask about the city, you seem to forget that it was martial who assisted lukaku in the Chelsea game for the equalizer and scored the late winner against spurs.

Also it's funny you complained about martial being inconsistent yet bring up Sanchez in comparison a player who has been nothing but inconsistent for us.


27.) 11 Apr 2018 14:16:38
Do you have some substance to back up this twice the player stance Singh because there isn't any metric out there that proves perisic is better than martial let alone being twice the player.


28.) 11 Apr 2018 14:41:39
CSM, I didn’t say Sanchez has been consistent did I? Merely pointing to the battling performance at the weekend I don’t think martial may be capable off, and he hasn’t shown that yet. Also shall we go back to that Chelsea game? He played a lovely pass to lukaku for the goal, and then was god awful after that.
And no I don’t agree that you can compare persic to martial, as all you’ve done is take statistics and use them as gospel. Don’t understand how you can say that’s a fair comparison but Milner to Scholes isn’t? Both play in the midfield don’t they?
Also if you read my post you’ll see that I don’t dislike martial, but he’s not been consistent enough, or hell even progressed. If he misses a chance his head drops, eg the Newcastle away game. He has all the talent in the world but I don’t know if he has the desire to achieve it. His movement off the ball at times is non existent, he would reluctantly go backwards, is he capable of a high press? The talent is there. He needs to work hard and fulfill that potential. I’m order to achieve that if he feels the need to leave then good luck to him. It’s the same with pogba.


29.) 11 Apr 2018 14:45:16
The main complaints about Martial is he doesn't track back, he is inconsistent, he loses the ball often and he should when things don't go his way.

Obviously the people voicing these complaints either haven't been United fans that long or they have very short memories.

All of the above could have been leveled at a 21 year old Ronaldo.

Sulks if he doesn't get the ball, inconsistent, doesn't track back, loses the ball.

Very short memories.


30.) 11 Apr 2018 14:51:53
Shappy, my criticism isn’t entirely based around work rate, but is he putting in the work Ronaldo did? We don’t know. Also the reason I’m leaning towards selling him is that the various reports state he rejected a contract. If that’s the case and he doesn’t want to be at united anymore then sell him.


31.) 11 Apr 2018 14:54:41
If Ed 2s about can you clarify it was de Bruyne who wanted to leave Chelsea. Also same with Lukaku and Salah. Apologies I know you've this before but I think it just needs to be clarified.

{Ed002's Note - De Bruyne and Salah both wanted to leave for specific reasons and Chelsea did not stand in their way. Lukaku did something which meant he would never return to Chelsea from loan and would never play for the club again.}


32.) 11 Apr 2018 15:15:03
Caolan
So if it is true that he has been offered a contract are the club and Jose wrong to offer him one based on the negatives above .

Very talent young player and people want to sell him?
I hope he stays and relises his potential at United.
Got to wonder what some on here would of thought of a young Ronaldo.
Singh
Have you actually watched perisic, he really isn't twice the player martial is .


33.) 11 Apr 2018 15:51:44
Caolan again remind me what Sanchez did other than the 2 assists before or after? He is 22 if you expect a 22 year old attacker in a jose mourinho team to be consistently brilliant either you are naive or have never watched football.

Most reports suggest that he isn't happy with the playing time which has been compounded by the signing of Sanchez, he isn't wrong in that is he. He rightfully started on the bench rather than first 11 this season because of his last season performances but then performed well enough to displace rashford and was one of our better attacking players until Sanchez arrived. Would you sign a contract if you get benched for multiple games after a single bad games but are forced to change position because a new player comes in who then proceeds to set new standards on how bad you can play but this player never gets benched.

About perisic martial comparison, you keep bringing milner and scholes in the conversation when they don't play the same position or are expected to do the same job yet ignore my Ronaldo and Beckham comparison because it doesn't suit your point. There is no real stat or fact or anything that can firmly say that perisic is better than martial so you come up with stuff like goals and assists aren't the only things we rate wingers on, fact is that is the biggest point on which people rate attackers on.

You don't want Sanchez or griezmann ahead of martial or rashford because they run more or track back but because they are better going forward and the Croatian Ashley Young ain't.


34.) 11 Apr 2018 16:01:24
Media spouts nonsense and the page goes into meltdown blaming Jose for this and that. Blah blah noise. Read what ed2 says above. None of which had anything to do with Mourinho. It’s very tiresome reacting from day to day on this stuff.

Jose hates youngsters so much he didn’t go to school and won’t talk to his children until they’re 25.

{Ed001's Note - that's not true Jose loves kids, on toast with a bit of cheese, but he couldn't eat a whole one...}


35.) 11 Apr 2018 16:31:49
Eric, I believe both Salah and De Bruyne left Chelsea for more playing time, in fact for any playing time as he wouldn't pick them.

Are you suggesting that Jose doesn't get to pick the team?

Jose may not have activity tried to sell them, but he didn't give them a chance. So they had to leave to further their careers.

No one is saying Martial, Shaw and Rashford want to leave United because they have it in Manchester, not is anyone saying they are being forced out by Jose. Merely Jose doesn't trust young players, he doesn't progress them as he doesn't create an environment for them to flourish. He would rather sign older players because Jose doesn't think about next season or the future of the club he is working for, he only cares about this season and how many trophies he can win for Jose Mourinho.

That is why he is a short term manager, and unless he wins the title next season he won't be our manager by the start of the 2019/ 20 season.

{Ed002's Note - No it was not really the situation with either player, it was more complex than that.}


36.) 11 Apr 2018 16:38:04
So where have I put down persic is better mate? And I’ll comment on Ronaldo and Beckham if you want. Two completely contrasting styles of players yet again. Only here for a bit of a debate and to give my opinion. No need to call me naive or question whether I’ve watched a game. At the end of the day you have your opinion, and I may not agree with it but it’s not me having a go, because we all have an opinion and no one is right or wrong. Last I’m going to say on the matter.


37.) 11 Apr 2018 16:55:31
And sorry I just seen the question about whether the club should offer him a new deal from Jred.
I’m reaponse mate, if the club feel he can fulfill his potential and he’s willing to work hard to do so then off course like I said earlier. There’s no doubting his potential at all the main reason I’m saying about getting rid of him is the fact that he’s apparently turned this deal down. My point is I don’t think he’d be as missed as people say, but it’s only my opinion.
At the end of the day I’d love him to stay here and become a legend, score 200+ goals. However, at this moment I don’t see that happening. I hope I’m wrong, but if he wants out, let him out. Last I’m saying.


38.) 11 Apr 2018 17:08:25
Didn't mean to cause offense caolan, sorry if i have. But it is annoying when people expect consistency from 22 year old attackers especially given our attacking play.


39.) 11 Apr 2018 17:10:59
When Ronaldo was here it was a differenr situation . We had fergie as our manager, we didn't have to compete with 4 other possible premier league challengers . We had a proper defence had a very good midfield had Tevez and Rooney and vannisteroy so we couldve carried a 21 year old inconsistent Ronaldo and even then he Ronaldo showed more skill then Martial has in his time here.


40.) 11 Apr 2018 17:20:35
No worries CSM. I’m not expecting Ronaldo/ Messi performances but I get frustrated with him because of how much ability he has, and I’m sure there are many who want to see a hell of a lot more from him because we know that potential.


41.) 11 Apr 2018 18:00:32
Singh
After reading all that then you want to sell him?


42.) 11 Apr 2018 18:28:37
Shappy he can only play 11 players at a time. Jose thinks sanchez is better than martial. I agree with him. He also thinks at this time that rashford is a better option than martial. I agree with him. He thinks lukaku is a better option i agree with him.
Its just The managers preference.
Lampard said last night that he never saw the potential in salah nobody at chelsea did and his leaving had nothing to do with jose personally nor did kdb leaving.


43.) 11 Apr 2018 19:03:49
Looks like I’m massively in the minority but if it were a simple case (which it isn’t of course, with £/ age factors) of Martial or Bale, I’d have Bale every time. So he’s much older, past his prime and with a questionable injury history. But he’s still got plenty left in the tank. Martial was a panic buy worth nothing like what was paid and has never been as good as his debut against Liverpool. Next Henry? Give me a break, he’s not on the same planet.


44.) 11 Apr 2018 19:14:35
Again Jred its about if Martial can be happy being part of the squad then he should stay but if he wants more game and if Mourinho isn't going to give him assurance then for his own career he should move elsewhere to get the game time he badly desires.

I would keep him if i was in charge at the club but i am not and i am here debating with you like many others.

You can't keep everyone happy and if Martial really wants to fight for his place and like mentioned in the media the contract is on the table foe him then he should sign it and fight for his player like everyone else.

If i was him personally i would make a move and get the game time i so badly want.

There are so many good clubs around the world he can make a name wirh foe himself.


45.) 11 Apr 2018 21:19:51
Singh
You seem to of given a lot of reasons to get rid of him.


46.) 11 Apr 2018 22:48:26
I don’t really post on here much just like reading everyone’s opinions but this thread is ridiculous.

Also I don’t know if you guys played football or if you did to what standard but if I was either martial or Rashford I’d be looking to the likes of Sanchez and Lukaku etc and saying help me. Looking at these players day in day out should show you what you need to improve yourself.

Martial has bags of potential BUT does he want to fight for his place and prove that he deserves to stay there? Does he try and adapt his game to fit playing right wing? Is he trying to develop himself after training etc or does he go home straight away? We don’t know the answers to these questions so therefore we don’t have that much knowledge on the matter.

I also seem to remember an attacking midfielder that had was better than Wayne Rooney when we signed him, he had bags of potential to. that was ANDERSON. Great potential turned into an average player.

Talent doesn’t automatically mean your going to be a star, you still have to work and dedicate yourself to the game so that you can maximise your potential e.g Ronaldo.

I don’t want him to leave but the club may see him strolling around in training not over bothered, bad attitude etc, not willing to learn blah blah blah. They are in the best possible position to make a decision on getting rid of him.


47.) 11 Apr 2018 23:15:15
Gazza91 top post that.


48.) 12 Apr 2018 08:29:54
Gaza
If that was the case why would they offer him a new contract.


49.) 12 Apr 2018 16:21:11
So if the player wants to leave should we keep him jred?


50.) 12 Apr 2018 18:18:11
Ken
If he wants to leave and won't sign a contract then it would be best to let him go .

But all this we should sell because of x y z are a bit silly imo .
If there were not rumours in the papers very few would want to sell a very talented young player .


51.) 12 Apr 2018 23:09:22
I wanted him to go on loan this season i feared that this would be The situation if he didn't. He actually got more game time than i thought he would be given.
He does have potential and now we are 1 year further down the line and we are none the wiser and he is no closer to fulfilling that potential if he had a hreat season in italy or spain then at least he would be coming back proven and confident and be a more rounded and experienced player. But now starved of meaningful gametime we have forced him into a corner.
But to be fair he hasn't forced himself into the team either.
Hindsight is 20/ 20 vision i suppose.


52.) 13 Apr 2018 10:13:03
He has been offered a 5 year contract which talks you a lot .
40 appearances so far in the EPL only lukaku has scored more
If he had went out on loan would he of gained more than that?
Who would of taking up the slack of him not being here?
How would his situation now of been any different, lukaku Sanchez etc would still be at the club he would still want reasurrences over his playing time .
New contract with a lot of other options as he is a top player, big decision .


 

 

28 Apr 2017 16:28:10
So gutted if the reports are true that fosu mensah has dislocated his shoulder. Was so looking forward to him getting some game time in midfield as I believe an eventual combination of him Herrera and pogba would compliment eachother very well.

The injuries really have taken its toll and it time for the players to stand up and be counted for. Rooney apparently could play in midfield and many will disagree but I think he could have provided a link from midfield to attack that we were missing yesterday. Not the same player but he can still do a job. Big game Sunday let's get the 3 points on the board and put pressure on city and the scousers.

Lots to play for and could end up being a special end if the seasons. Onwards and upwards.

Park3lung

{Ed025's Note - mensah is not the biggest loss though park, better him out than one of the bigger names as im sure we wont see the best of him until next season at the earliest mate..


1.) 29 Apr 2017 14:40:00
We need to remain calm about the youth players. I'm a huge fan of Rashfords potential but he isn't in the top 50 scorers in the 'league' this season and Mensah has done nothing yet to even be discussed as the main defensive midfielder in a team that wants to win the CL. It's almost bordering on hysteria. Both their positions need serious strengthening in the summer.


 

 

 

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27 May 2018 02:00:15
Question - which side is greater:

Zidane’s real
Guardiola’s barca

Difficult one but I think zidane’s real shade it for me. Unbelievable achievement of 3 champions leagues. And adding la decimal under Ancelotti; 4 champions leagues in 5 years. Utter dominance and cementing then as one of the true great teams of all time.

Personally, I loved our 08 united team and if we had kept hold of Ronaldo and Tevez then I think we would have two or three more champions leagues. That was my favourite side and I think they could have rivalled the two mentioned above.

Park3lung

1.) 27 May 2018 05:37:11
I think the champions league has lost a bit of its pizzazz. If you asked me at the start of every season what would you like to win, it would be the league all day long.

The European cup has a special place in everyone's heart but I don't think it's the be all and end all of football anymore.

When you won the European cup you were recognised as the best team in Europe, but over the last 10 or 15 years that clearly isn't the case.

Liverpool won it in 2005. Where they the best team in Europe that year? They weren't even the best team in Liverpool with Everton finishing above them. Poor teams have won the competition.

The great European team's win the champions league and their domestic league in the same season. Us in 99 and 08. Bayern doing the treble in 13, barcelona 09, 11 and 15 Madrid in 17.

That Barcelona team would play this Madrid off the park. In terms of decent teams, I think the last couple of years have been quite weak in terms of quality.


2.) 27 May 2018 06:05:28
Mumbles I agree fully with you.
I think the main and major objective of the club is to really win the League before anything else. That is the sole reason of the existence of the club. Then we can prioritize other competitions like FA Cup and the rest of local competition. The last would really be CL I feel.
Mind you this is not being sour grapes or what. Rather I feel a question has to be asked of all the British clubs including the City, Chelsea, Arsenal, Spursand etc. Try should be measured on their being which position in the table. Of course the PL title would be the best and that should encourage other clubs to try harder for the title and local competitions. After all that then perhaps CL will be challenged . Of course in terms of priority perhaps CL comes after the PL title. What’s big deal if you win CL and end up 6-8 position in table? I feel the club would look a little ridiculous winning Europe title but lost out in local competition. Just doesn’t makes sense for me.
My view is the following in terms of achievements:
1) PL title
2) CL title
3) FA Cup
4) Carabao Cup
I know some will strongly disagree. I will accept that as different people will view different titles/ cups with different priorities. I love to hear opinions.


3.) 27 May 2018 08:05:19
The last time a team that was not necessarily a ‘big’ name won it was Porto in 2004 and since then it has become a smaller and smaller group competing for the prize. The League format favours the very big teams as they can slip up but still qualify for the knock out stages. It is all about money and trying to fend off the clubs creating their own European Super League.

Look at the decade before the Champions Legaue when it was still the European Cup. Bucharest, Eindhoven, Hamburg, Red Star Belgrade all won it and Sampdoria, Marseille, and Benfica all reached the final. I will bey you whatever sum you want that none of those teams will win the Champions League in the next 30 years.

As I’ve said several times I am slowly but surely falling out of love with this game. Ultimately it is a sport but t has been swallowed by corporate greed. The prices Liverpool fans had to pay for tickets and accommodation were obscene. The fees players get bought for, the wages they earn, the endless sponsorship with anyone who will cough up a fee, agents, kick off times, the list goes on. Sadly the game is governed by people with vested interests, is there a more corrupt organisation than FIFA?

We’re all doomed.


4.) 27 May 2018 08:44:18
Valverde's Barcelona have just finished 14 points above Zidane's Real Madrid in La Liga.
Pep won 14 major trophies in four seasons.
Zidane though has won 8 in two seasons! And he gets criticized!
It's amazing when you think of their ability and mentality to win those trophies.
We can dream I suppose.
Worth noting that Premier League/ La Liga winners receive approximately ten times more than Champions League winners in prize money.
The Champions League is a bit of a bizarre sideshow to the normal league season. The format is odd. It takes a certain kind of mentality and skillset to win it. Real Madrid have got it down to a tee.

{Ed002's Note - Nonsense - where do you get this from about the winnings. Twitter I suppose. You would do best to avoid things you don't understand.}


5.) 27 May 2018 08:51:55
Mumbles and Tony have got it spot on. I actually don't like the competition at all. I much prefer winning the PL. The CL has become a showcase for the elite teams in Europe. The surprise element has gone out of it.


6.) 27 May 2018 09:12:24
Tony, funny you should say that about falling out of love with the game. My dad said the same to me many years back. And last night, i was discussing this with another old friend, and we said the same. I think we're turning into our fathers!
Park, i really enjoy reading your posts as they're balanced. But I'm afraid we're nowhere near challenging City. We are so weak in so many positions. Cb, rb, lb, cm (need two), rw and another cf. That's an outlay of more than £400m. Then Mourinho has to change his tactics and gel the team, something he's not been good at in the two years he's been here. So i think, it is City's title again with ourselves, liverpool and chelsea playing for other top4 places.


7.) 27 May 2018 09:31:07
This next season has to be the key one for Jose.
He has to buy a couple of defenders and strengthen that and mount a strong challenge or win the PL. barring that he has to consider his future at ManUtd.
There isn’t only so much patience in everyone.


8.) 27 May 2018 09:45:22
Got to say mumbles I actually agree with you I would much rather win the league than the champions league. When we were winning leagues for fun under sir alex it seemed like a formality but now I am desperate to win the league again. Especially with there being potentially 6 teams which can win it, the stakes and bragging rights are much higher. Champions league used to be the ultimate prize for me but it does seem that only a handful of teams are winning it with ease.

AAA perhaps you are right I would say city are outright favourites next season. But I do feel with a new defence we will close the gap considerably. I feel city’s ceiling is much smaller than ours because we have so many areas we can improve whilst they are closer to the finished article. Teams will now know somewhat how to play against them so I expect them not to have it all their own way. Apart from a handful full of our players, the majority massively under achieved so if we get them playing to their potential we will have a very decent team. I do see where you are coming from and perhaps I am being a deluded optimist! We shall see where we are in December because I may well be on the Jose out wagon 😂.


9.) 27 May 2018 09:45:25
Got to be honest I don't think Madrid looked all that good last night .


10.) 27 May 2018 09:45:46
Pep Barcelona would stuff them imo.


11.) 27 May 2018 10:07:09
Jred it felt like this real side is coming to the end of the cycle. Great individuals but this team needs fresh blood in attack and midfield. Think they will have a huge spree this summer. I actually think city would have beaten them if they got to the final.


12.) 27 May 2018 10:13:33
Good to see you back Ed 002, sorry if I did my maths wrong but I genuinely thought Real Madrid pocketed £15M for winning last night and City won £150M go winning the Premiership. If I've got the numbers wrong, maybe you could tell me who won what etc as I'd be interested. Maths was never my strong point. I've never used Twitter or anything like that but I do like coming on here for a bit of banter and interesting information.

{Ed002's Note - I am not going to ex


13.) 27 May 2018 11:15:10
Jred I thought Real were very good last night. It was a very classy and accomplished performance in my opinion. Funny how people view the same game so differently.


14.) 27 May 2018 12:04:26
I think prize money alone they'll receive around £45m. Then you must consider extra gate money for the extra games. Potential sponsorship clauses being triggered for reaching final and other money I'm sure.


 

 

27 May 2018 01:27:52
Gareth bale. wow. Now that is the player that we all know he can be. I honestly thought the guy was finished and that injuries had taken its toll. Although we don’t know Whether he is over his injuries, there is no doubt he is one of the finest players in the world when he is in imperious form as he was tonight.

I asked myself the question as to whether I would take him at united. I’ve got to say before the final it was a resounding no for me. I know this might seem a tad bit like match of the day fever but I would take him in a heart beat. We are lacking in the right wing department and there are very few that are as direct and devastatingly fast than bale. I like Willian but I would pick bale everyday of the week, provided he can keep fit. Always felt he was made to play for us and would be a joy to see him take the no 10 shirt.

I’m not going to lie I am delighted that Liverpool did not win. However my heart does go out to salah. Rivalry aside, he has been sensational this year and appears to be a consummate professional. Above all, he seems to be a thoroughly lovely person and his humility is refreshing to see in an age of spoilt overpaid players. I will be honest if he didn’t get injured I think the scousers would have won. They had real on the rack and credit where it is due Klopp had them playing well. Guess they have Karius to thank 😂.

Hope Jose sits up and notices that we have a lot of hard work and changes to be made regarding tactics. We are being linked with the right sorts of players and that is good to see as in the past we have signed players that will sell shirts instead of score goals. Let’s get united playing the attractive brand of football that made us so loved by many around the world. Let’s get behind the team because for the first time in years we are playing in the champions league for consecutive years and are close to challenging for the league. Can’t wait till next season.

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1.) 27 May 2018 08:06:16
He’s says he’s been fit all years other than 5 or 6 weeks and it sounds like he wants to leave. If the money was right I would take him, he isn’t Messi or Ronaldo but he’s in that next group.


2.) 27 May 2018 09:20:29
Don't get me wrong, I like Bale as a player. His first goal was out of this world. l, his second was speculative and should never have gone in.

But bar those goals did he have a huge impact on the game? He didn't look as quick as he used to, that break away where he could have sealed his hat trick he was caught. The Bale of three years ago would never have been caught.


3.) 27 May 2018 09:35:26
Snappy, what did the Romans ever do for us? 🙄.


4.) 27 May 2018 09:50:02
He has been in good form Tony from what I have seen the last few weeks in the La Liga. I thought he was really unlucky not to start and think Zidane made a mistake in not doing so. I would agree he is definetly in that best of the rest category after Messi and Ronaldo.

Got to disagree shaps thought he had a huge impact on the game. Real lacked an outlet and someone to carry the ball forward at pace when he was on the bench. Ronaldo hardly does it anymore and the midfield are all great on the ball but there was nobody to pick it up and dribble. Thought bale looked really dynamic and direct much like his old self. Perhaps he has lost a yard or too but he is still blisteringly quick. As always injuries are a concern but that is something the medical staff will have to deal with if it happens.


 

 

24 May 2018 02:39:14
Very interesting interview with Thomas Tuchel today. Asked how he believes football should be played and he simply replied ‘attack, attack, attack’. And when you lose the ball you work hard with intensity and pressing to win it back. Think he will do very well with PSG if he can manage the egos and his own. Would like to see him in the frame when Jose goes.

Some very intriguing managerial appointments this summer. Emery is a very astute appointment and someone I think will prove to be very good fit for arsenal. Ancelotti to Napoli is very interesting and I am looking forward to seeing whether he can do anything there. Sarri potentially to Chelsea is another which could be a master stroke. But depends on if he gets the board backing and if he can behave himself especially with some offensive comments he has made this season. Hazard under his style of football could be devastating.

I know it’s been a bit doom and gloom on here but I’m looking forward to seeing who we sign. If we get Alderweireld, Fred, Sandro, Milinkovic savic and potentially a rb and rw I will be chuffed. They key is to get more out the current players but I have faith that Jose can get this side challenging. If not it is bye and and onto the next manager. Let’s just enjoy the summer and the World Cup and come back hoping to see the beautiful Man Utd we all love.

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1.) 24 May 2018 04:08:16
The key is to get more out of our current players, whilst also bringing in 6 top class new players? That my friend is a complete overhaul - at least call a spade a spade!


2.) 24 May 2018 06:39:07
Park, great post mate.

Think back to last summer and say to yourself. ‘I can’t wait for the new season, if we sign Lukaku, Matic, Lindelof, and Rashford and Martial push on, and Pogba steps up after his settling in season, what a team we’ll have. ’ I’m not having a go, I just think signing players doesn’t always work.


3.) 24 May 2018 08:03:25
Yeh I would agree Tony signing players is not always the solution. For me I will be very excited to see the defence sorted because then we there will be no excuses for us to be putting 10 men behind the ball. I miss our old fashioned full back play of the likes of Evra, Neville, Irwin who would provide and outlet and overlap the wingers. Perhaps Jose won’t play that way but I’m sure we will be more of a threat with 2 additions there. No guarantee it will make a difference but I’m still excited for next season and I expect Jose and the players to rise to the occasion because our rivals will all strengthen a lot as well.


4.) 24 May 2018 08:30:38
We don't have good enough full backs for the modern game. Lost faith in Luke Shaw and even in his better games his crossing is poor. and that's the key in modern game. Walker, Rose, Trippier, all very good with that.

However, Lindelof and TFM, Tuanzabee need developing, that's a coaches job, all 3 have talent you have to bring it out.


5.) 24 May 2018 11:26:04
AJH
Don't forget Miki bailly and ddg.
What high hopes people had last summer.
Park if we sign the 4 players you have listed at the reported prices that's 300 mil and you want a rb and rw as well?


6.) 24 May 2018 12:27:41
Jred I think a rw would be a luxury. I’m not actually too fussed if we sign one. Would prefer a rb or fosu mensah to be given a chance to contest for that spot. I would like to see us go with a back 3 if we sign Alderweireld to partner lindelof and bailly. Invest in wing backs with sandro and a rb. Then play 3 in midfield and two up top. That formation suits our squad far more as we lack any true wingers that will hug the touch line. Pairing Lukaku with Sanchez/ martial/ rashford/ Lingard will be a combination which could flourish. We need our wing backs to be have a quality in delivery for this formation to work. That’s how I would like us to go next season.


7.) 24 May 2018 12:43:26
Park
Can't see Jose playing 3 at the back week in week out .
I'm always surprised why people rate lindelof so highly, really struggled this season doesn't even make the bench when everyone available?


8.) 24 May 2018 14:10:10
Jred I agree he won't play it regularly. But it works if you look at our squad. I think lindelof really struggled at the beginning but improved in my eyes as the season went on. Had a really good game against Arsenal and then was dropped. Needs an extended run in the team to build the confidence up. rumours he could be going on loan to wolves which wouldn't be the worst idea in the world. I like him I think his distribution is streets ahead of our other cbs. we really struggle to build our attacks from the back when we have smalling and jones playing there. and when teams press us high with them playing there then they just hoof it up field.


9.) 24 May 2018 15:40:46
He gets bullied every game imo and looks very nervous.


10.) 24 May 2018 16:02:24
Both Vidic and Evra really struggled when they joined and they turned out more than ok. I trust that lindelof has the ability and will come good.


11.) 24 May 2018 20:07:52
What about rojo.


 

 

20 May 2018 12:49:39
Ed002 or any other ed available. What would your review of united’s season be. Do you think Jose is doing a good job and how would you assess his time at united? Could you see him staying beyond the year? Personally I think he and the team deserve a 4.5/ 10 this season. Flashes of brilliance in a season of unimaginative, slow football. My confidence in him took a knock yesterday but I do think he will have us challenging next year with new additions in full back and midfield areas. I think he will be off at the end of next year.

Park3lung

{Ed004's Note - I would give it a 6 out of 10. However, I'm 50/50 on him being here this time next season as he seems to have had the fans turn on him. The media doesn't like him/united so a lot of negative stories have probably fueled a lot of this negativity. The headline after the FA cup final that I saw all stated how Conte Tactical master plan had paid of yet I honestly reckon if it was the other way round it would have been Jose parking the bus/ruining football etc.

However, it's been a weird season. We have comfortably finished second, have beaten City, Chelsea, Spurs, Liverpool and Arsenal etc but at same time lost versus the bottom 3 sides. We started the season in scintillating form up until Pogba and Bailly got injured. Seemed to have a settled team again in January only for Sanchez to sign and upset the apple cart again. I think overall I would give it a 6/10. Clear progress has been made. We have scored more, conceded less, won more and competed with the top teams better. However, we are still so damn inconsistent. We really lack leaders and our wide areas are hampering us massively}


1.) 20 May 2018 19:50:31
Jose = Born winner 😆😆 "this time next year rodders"


2.) 20 May 2018 20:28:44
I think we are all caught between we shouldn’t keep changing managers as look at Fergie first few years and and the damage done by changing managers and this football cannot continue so we need to change and actually it’s the way of the world now, I think most fans are confused as they wanted it to work so much with jose at the helm and for whatever reason atm it just isn’t clicking, will giving more time and more investment lead to the top and better football or is jose and United Just not a fit.


3.) 20 May 2018 21:56:09
Depends if he loses the dressing room.


4.) 20 May 2018 22:40:11
Good summary ed. Do you think he has lost the dressing room?

{Ed004's Note - I don't think so. If he had lost the dressing room we wouldn't have had wins against city, palace and Chelsea imo. However, things can change in a short period of time}


5.) 20 May 2018 23:05:35
Like all marriages of convenience this one will also end sooner rather than later.


6.) 21 May 2018 12:19:13
He needs to stop chucking people under the bus. Lukaku is one of the few who can hold their heads-up this season. At some point it will backfire.


7.) 21 May 2018 16:09:12
Mort - couldn't agree more but then that would require José to accept some accountability for the dross that's being served up.


 

 

19 May 2018 22:07:35
Jose has no excuses today. This was as poor a Chelsea team as I have seen in a long time. To man mark hazard in he first half was a poor decision. We were effectively attacking with ten men. Today showed exactly why jones needs to leave in the summer. He and smalling are such liabilities and jones lost us the game. Don’t know how he has been picked ahead of smalling for england. No excuses from Jose, he had to cbs in bailly and lindelof who he could have selected yet he didn’t. We lost the game because of his decisions.

Feel sorry for rashford. Is is a completely different player to Lukaku and I don’t know why Jose tried to play exactly the same tactics as if Lukaku was playing. Expecting rashford to be a target man is amateur imo. However, he really needs a loan where he is playing regularly because his finishing and decision making is not good enough. I personally think he is better on the left than centrally. Thought martial looked decent when he came on. Hope he stays. Both full backs were very poor today and can’t wait till we have two new ones.

Today was disappointing but we move on. I will be honest my faith in Jose took a massive dent today. But he is not an idiot and he knows what needs to be done. No excuses next season because he has to win the league or at least improve the style of play because it is a really chore watching united these days. Thank god this season is over.

Park3lung

1.) 19 May 2018 22:20:06
Park3
So you think today was worse than the 2 CL games against Seville?
Did we learn from that.


2.) 19 May 2018 22:29:55
Thought Smalling played quite well.


3.) 19 May 2018 23:26:14
Good question jred. I think we were better today than against Sevilla. Our problem is we never take the initiative early in the game. Takes for us to go a goal down to spark into life. I do think once we sort our full backs out we will improve because we lack so much width and our full backs are meant to be the ones that provide it. Nether of them has a particularly good delivery which is costing us. Valencia was in many attacking positions but delivered such poor quality. And corners are a real issue. We must be the most ineffective team in the league from set pieces. Which is ridiculous as we have a team of giants.

Eric I agree smalling was decent today but he isn’t the long term solution. Seems Jose begs to differ. I don’t think we deserved to lose today because Chelsea didn’t really offer much. But a mistake from us and some hazard magic sealed it for them. Hazard is some player would love him at united.


4.) 19 May 2018 23:40:27
Park
We should maybe leave the attacking to the attackers ?
Do they not have a job to do or is it just the full backs?

Takes us to go a goal down to kick into life? It's the same players tho only thing that changes is the tactics after we go a goal down .


5.) 19 May 2018 23:45:22
Corners? That's the problem .


6.) 20 May 2018 01:47:00
Man marking hazard is not that crazy, he is their only threat!

Hazard and Salah both take passes that our front three get all game and turn them into goals. They make something out of nothing, and we have struggled to do that all season.

Next year we will be better again, but city will have to drop more points for anyone to stand a chance.


7.) 20 May 2018 01:53:18
Playing at walking pace doesn't help either.


8.) 20 May 2018 07:56:14
Jred depends how you want your teams to play. Full backs are so important in the modern game especially if your wingers are always cutting in and playing narrow, which our always do. Nobody tests the defence and makes runs beyond the last man. Everything is played in front of the opposition and it’s easy to defend. This is purely a tactical problem though which Jose needs to change so the blame is with him. We always struggle when the onus is on us to break down the opposition team. When we have more possession we lack the quality and creativity.

Dodgy there was no need to man mark hazard yesterday. Chelsea were offering very little going forward. Was classic Jose yesterday try to nullify the opposition rather than try cause problems for them. We had a lot of attacking talent on the pitch who should have been asking Chelsea questions. We didn’t ask any. Anyway we move on and get the right signings in and build on this season.


 

 

 

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You got to be kidding classof82? Riley is decent but is not somebody we will regret selling.

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24 May 2018 14:00:47
apparently mandzukic with arnautovic back up. if only we had ed002 to confirm this. perhaps a tiny nugget of wisdom? :)

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21 May 2018 22:26:36
Problem is Jose himself cannot see himself staying long term so he is going for short term success which translates to short term signings. Personally like Willian and if we get 3 years out of him then Chong is ready to step up then that would work out nicely. Problem is fans want instant success and so does Jose so he will try and win any way possible and f he does so he will be off.

Cesar - all depends on the style of play for me. If he is building a young and exciting team which is competing but not winning, then I think fans will be more patient. Issue is the style is so bad and Jose always had winning the big honours to fall back on. When he doesn’t things get toxic and fans get restless. If Jose was to build for the future with young players and improves the style I am happy to be patient. If he can deliver a title in the short term and style is like his first Chelsea team, I wouldn’t be complaining.

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21 May 2018 06:19:58
I would agree Rave. Jose's obsession with tall players always makes me question whether they are being signed purely for their footballing ability or to play the long ball. In this case Talisca looks like the former but we shall see it happens.

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20 May 2018 23:23:17
20 goals and 7 assists this year I think 8 have been headers. Looks a talented player, quick and skilful. He is 6’3 so ideal for Jose. Usually plays no 10 or second striker. He’s left footed but I can see him playing on the right wing for us if we sign him. Only 24 as well so probably would prefer him to Willian.

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27 May 2018 13:19:39
Would be a massive mistake selling pogba. Bags of talent and he will go on to be one of the best midfielders in the world. He has a lot to work on but the raw talent is their at his disposal. I have seen Milinkovic-Savic play a lot this year as I have been watching serie A regularly and he is the star midfielder along with Jorginho in that league. Has all the attributes much like pogba - strength, vision, ball control and ability to score goals. They can play together so I would love to see them in a three man midfield, pogba on the left and savic on the right.

People criticise pogba but statistically he is better than he was at Juve. I know stats are misleading but I feel the reason why he is getting stick is because united aren’t winning the big trophies. At Juve we only really saw highlight reels of his outrageous goals but in reality he still went missing during games. He is lucky he had Pirlo and Vidal next to him and bonucci and chiellini to rely on when he gave the ball away. He does need to improve consistency but that is also down to how Jose deploys him. He must find a way of fitting Sanchez and pogba into the team otherwise we will see the same problems cropping up again. Interested to see what he decides to do. I like 3 at the back and two up top with 3 in midfield.

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27 May 2018 10:07:09
Jred it felt like this real side is coming to the end of the cycle. Great individuals but this team needs fresh blood in attack and midfield. Think they will have a huge spree this summer. I actually think city would have beaten them if they got to the final.

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27 May 2018 10:05:14
Bale’s for sure. On the biggest stage as well. Magnifique.

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27 May 2018 09:53:23
I agree he isn’t going to suddenly play free flowing football. He will still set us up defensively sound and then to counter at pace. This was very effective and entertaining while he was at Chelsea and real. At both those teams he had a very robust and dynamic midfield so hopefully the addition of Fred and another will facilitate this. I’m under no illusion we will be playing pep or Klopp football next season. But I do think quality signings in key positions will see and improvement in style and substance.

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27 May 2018 09:50:02
He has been in good form Tony from what I have seen the last few weeks in the La Liga. I thought he was really unlucky not to start and think Zidane made a mistake in not doing so. I would agree he is definetly in that best of the rest category after Messi and Ronaldo.

Got to disagree shaps thought he had a huge impact on the game. Real lacked an outlet and someone to carry the ball forward at pace when he was on the bench. Ronaldo hardly does it anymore and the midfield are all great on the ball but there was nobody to pick it up and dribble. Thought bale looked really dynamic and direct much like his old self. Perhaps he has lost a yard or too but he is still blisteringly quick. As always injuries are a concern but that is something the medical staff will have to deal with if it happens.

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