20 Jan 2014 12:45:56
There are two posters, in particular, who over the last few weeks seem to have taken it upon themselves to police the board against any criticism of Moyes, the way the team has been performing and the lack of investment in new players. A number of posters, myself included, have been labelled as negative moaners, spoilt brats, smug fools who enjoy when the team they support lose, and generally ignorant to how football works. The overarching claim is that if we don't agree with the choice of manager, if we don't think the players are good enough and if we are opposed to the owners, then we should support a different team.

There are a lot of people who I disagree with on here that I can argue with and take the piss without feeling like they are trying to hound anyone who doesn't share their views: Betty and GCU, for example, disagree but accept the right of other people to be critical. But there is a growing element of consensus stalking which, to be perfectly honest, is getting really boring. There are supporters who don't think Moyes is good enough, who don't rate some of our players, and think that the current owners have been detrimental to our success. This does not mean that they are happy when the team fails, that they want the team to fail because it proves them right, and, especially, it doesn't mean that they need to support another club.

I think it's pathetic that some posters continually argue that any poster that doesn't agree with their views or is critical of the direction the club is taking is unworthy of supporting the club. It's wholly unsurprising that these are the same posters who rarely attempt to engage in any actual debate and start throwing around personal insults instead.

1.) 20 Jan 2014
Agree mate.

Anyone who's moaning and getting wound up by what they're seeing is at least showing passion and a desire for change. such a person is clearly a Manchester United fan who doesn't like what they are seeing.

Putting a positive slant on things may make you a more calm individual but it doesn't give you the right to slag off those who don't see things as being as rosy.

We're all United fans at the end of the day. The reason I for one get so riled up by our situation is I personally see a torrid time ahead and it's all down to a lack of investment over the last couple of years, in key areas in which we are getting weaker by the season.

2.) 20 Jan 2014
Here, here. well said that man!

3.) 20 Jan 2014
Hear, hear!

I too am fed up of those who think that supporting Moyes gives them some sort of superiority over those who are unhappy with how he is doing things.

I personally can't see how anybody could possibly think he is doing a good job - but I still respect the opinions of those that do.

Pointing out Moyes' failings does not make us bad or fickle fans. No one man is bigger than Manchester United - and that includes the manager. I fail to see how it's OK for fans to turn on devoted servants like Rooney and Evra who have contributed so much to the club's success but not on a man whose only contributions so far have been to its downfall.

4.) 20 Jan 2014
Blindly believe or you are not a real fan, you have been told!

5.) 20 Jan 2014
I think your post is pretty fair to be honest Danny. Although it might appear to be on the contrary, our views are not that far apart. Like you, I don't think Moyes was, or is the right man for the job. Where our views differ is that you think he should be gone yesterday, whereas I think we need to (now that he IS here) support him as manager and (dare I say it :) ) show some belief in him. More importantly, the men who appointed him need to back him in the transfer market.
But, there is no right or wrong opinion. They are simply our views, and we are all entitled to them.
Having said all that, there has been an awful lot of knee jerk, hysterical nonsense posted on here lately and some of that has deserved a bit of urine extracting. But hey, its a banter site and that's what its all about isn't it?
At the end of the day we are all United fans, and ultimately we all want the same thing. Now let's all have a big hug and be friends :)

6.) 20 Jan 2014
Couldn't agree more. Don't criticise anything Moyes does as he needs time etc etc etc. not all his fault, I would agree but he's got an awful long way to go! The very people who shout you down for being negative about United rarely come up with anything positive, choosing personal insults instead. I suppose they find it easier that way. The favourite phrase seems to be " Go and support City or Chelsea".

7.) 20 Jan 2014
Lost 7 games 7th in the league, 14 points of top but ssssshhhhh let's pretend everything is great or u will get labelled a pessimist or less of a fan

8.) 20 Jan 2014
Well said danny. Great post.

9.) 20 Jan 2014
Danny, I don't know if I'm one of the two, but for the record, I am p1ssed at the lack of investment and it breaks my heart to see the money taken out of the club. I am annoyed at our player's performances. Simple tackling, passing and control of a ball seem to be alien concepts to them right now. I also feel Moyes has made several mistakes since joining.

I am also realistic to know he isn't going anywhere soon, and the world will not end if we have a bad season.

I also believe that everybody in life deserves a chance. I'll judge him after he's had that chance to get his own players and lose some of our underperforming ones.

10.) 20 Jan 2014
Totally agree just because your no happy with Moyes and the tactics don't mean your an armchair supporter! I think the tactics are diabolical and outdated and Moyes is out of his depth! If your watching shocking defending like that yesterday week in week out everyone has a good right to be critical! Still going to show up for the next game and support them but when they play terrible and the tactics are all wrong i'll criticize them surely! :)

11.) 20 Jan 2014
Good post Danny. One thing for sure, we will know things with a lot more clarity over the next 12 to 18 months.

1. The owners level of financial commitment to the club.

2. Manager being right for the job, as some say he might be a sexton or he might end up being a great manager for our club. Nothing there yet to prove either point and just opinion.

3. Managers ability to build a new team with new players.

4. Mangers ability to win at the highest level

This year reminds of that movie the perfect storm where we have had so many things happen all at once.

Jred

Stop pouting it will get better :)

I Still say top 4 need 72/73 points to get there :)

Finally, I though Mourinho was very gracious in his post match interview and quite odd how he is like that when it comes to us, although he is like that when he wins LOL.

In weird way Mourinho was quite interesting saying he was glad he did not have to play us again this year where the other clubs up top still had to play us and might look like a genius for it for that statement.

12.) 20 Jan 2014
Gcu
By top 4 I take it you mean fourth.
The fact you are happy with that says it all.
I hope your main man moyes has more ambition

13.) 20 Jan 2014
Come on, jred. 4th from where we are now, which we know is what Shahram meant, would be flippin fantastic right now.

At the start of a season it would be sh1t.

14.) 20 Jan 2014
Jred

Given the gap to 3rd pace, I think 4th will be the best outcome and we make the best out of a bad year.

You have for a very long time said that this squad is not good enough. Based on your own statements and where we are at the moment where do you think we should be shooting to finish and where o you think we deserve to finish?

With silly comments like your "main man moyes", I recommend you just call it a day.

15.) 20 Jan 2014
At the moment I would take 4, I think that's where we are as a team .
Not pouting, not very happy about it, not being pessimistic just where I honestly see us as a team

16.) 20 Jan 2014
Jred

Are you feeling alright today?

17.) 20 Jan 2014
Shamlk1, I've just read several posts of yours, and noticed that every, and I mean every, sentence ends with an exclamation mark. Or a double question mark. You must be really, really, really angry right now.

ps. full stops are a perfectly valid way to end a sentence :)

18.) 20 Jan 2014
Danny, just seen your post and as usual, I agree with you completely. I love this site because it contains different views, but I have never insulted any of the posters, called them childish, ignorant, told them to go support another club. I simply take their views on board and sometimes agree, not often, and sometimes disagree, quite often.
To start telling them they're not true supporters bla bla, is pathetic and rude. It is very easy to be rude, so non of us should go down that path.