08 Feb 2015 21:03:01
Can someone explain to me what is so wrong with having a plan B when plan A is clearly working? I see a lot of people complaining about our long ball approach at the end stages of the game today. Well we tried our plan A which was to keep possession and exploit gaps in the west ham defence but that didn't work, so what was wrong with LVG changing our tactics? FYI we created 3 great chances which should have been scored by our strikers. Also if we had probably not switched to the long ball we probably would have lost that game

1.) 08 Feb 2015
There's nothing wrong with having a plan B other than:

1. We seem to need to have a Plan B a little too often nowadays.

2. A plan B is fine but lumping it up to the big man is not the United way.

Fair play it worked and we got a point but not for me.

2.) 08 Feb 2015
08 Feb 2015 21:33:15
I agree we have been using quite a bit but as long as it works i don't mind for this season. Hopefully once we get more players suited to his style then we will not need to use our plan B or C as much.

You say its not the united way and i agree but you need something different. You can't just go about and rely on using the same tactics week in and week out because sometimes it will not work and you will need to change it up. Look at Barca in 2013 (i believe). Got trounced by Bayern in the champions league because Bayern knew what Barca were going to do and Barca and Pep didn't have a Plan B or C.

I know its not pretty but if LVG's possession based style is not working later on in time even when he has the right players at his disposal i do not mind him using this method with Fellaini cause let's face it, fellaini has the some of the best chest control out there and is very difficult to deal with.

3.) 08 Feb 2015
The problem is that we need a Plan B because Plan A isn't working. Perhaps we could try a different Plan A.

4.) 08 Feb 2015
08 Feb 2015 23:11:46
AJH,

I think that pretty much sums it up, plan B is fine every now and again but if plan A never works it needs changing.

5.) 09 Feb 2015
Even while executing Plan A our defenders repeatedly hoofed the ball forwards to Falcao and RVP, and they rarely won those aerial duels.

Rooney in midfield doesn't work (herrera is a no brainer) and neither does ADM as a No. 10. IMO ADM needs to get the ball in space where he can run at defenders and play quick 1-2's in space (ie left of midfield 3 / left diamond). too many bodies aroud him as No.10 and he can't use his pace.

I also cannot understand why people have given credit to LVG for getting the best out of Fellaini. The guy is still immobile, is a very poor passer of the ball, gives away lots of fouls (and throws elbows). He is the same player - just been fortunate that some bounces have gone his away and he managed to get on the scoresheet. .he's also a suprisingly average header of the ball considering that he is a foot taller than most players around him.

6.) 09 Feb 2015
The issue is when you keep putting rooney in midfield and somehow completely nullify Di Maria week in week out it has now become a joke as it never works and it takes a helter skelter long ball approach and the luck of a second ball to score.

This man is tactically inept and more interested about his ego and his way rather than changing it to suit us to play better football.

BTW for those who keep talking abut his Bayern days, that team also sucked and was terrible to watch and had it not been for a crazy tackle by rafael no one would ever be talking about that team.

We are getting out managed by lesser manager and out played by average players.

When people say he is getting the best out of fellaini that is such bs as that is the way Everton used him and hoofing it up to him does not take a coaching genius.

I wonder why people do not talk about how he has turned Rooney and Di maria in to nothing players by playing them where they play and why Janusaj who last season looked like he was about to have a break out year this year is now looking like championship player.

7.) 09 Feb 2015
09 Feb 2015 09:11:39
tombomb,

The goals Fellaini has scored this season have been great finishes, it is not just that he has been 'fortunate with some bounces', people posting things like that clearly just have an issue with the player and will find any reason to say anything good they do was just lucky. He might not be the best player but give him some credit where its due, he has been an important player at times this season and has come up with some important goals.

8.) 09 Feb 2015
GDS I disagree. The goals Felliani scores for Everton were world class. It's nothing to do with the manager the lad just needed time to settle.

GCU I agree. Letting a player like Januzaj slip backwards is a poor testament to LVGs judgement. Rooney in midfield is wasteful but Di Maria at £57million should be playing like a world beater if he is in CM, the wing or even around the strikers. Not good enough and if an improvement is not made sooner rather than later he will be considered one of our biggest flops of all time.

9.) 09 Feb 2015
09 Feb 2015 10:37:15
Juan,

No matter how much you play for a player doesn't mean he will settle any quicker than other players. ADM will be fine next season once he is settled, he is a top top player and will prove that.

I am a bit confused what you disagree with in my post about Fellaini or where I said anything about the manager.

Why does Fellaini need time to settle but ADM doesn't when Fellaini came from the same league?

10.) 09 Feb 2015
GDS I was also alluding to the OP when speaking about Felliani.

The difference is that Di Maria at the peak of his powers costing what he has cost us and his mammoth wages means he must perform. When Madrid signed Ronaldo or Bale do you think they didn't expect much of a return in the initial season? What about when Zlatan signed for PSG?

When you are a big name, coming in with a huge reputation and costing premium capital there is a responsibility to perform on your shoulder. No qualms.

If he does a Nani and plays superbly sporadically for the next few seasons will he be considered a success? When you look at the players who have come into clubs for the figure he has you don't get 'time to settle'. Torres was hounded by Chelsea fans and Kaka disgruntled the Bernabeu faithful.

When you look across the country and see Alexis Sanchez for example coming from the same league, at half the price with maybe a lesser reputation lighting up the league you can't help but question your most expensive asset.

11.) 09 Feb 2015
Juan

This style of football is not suited to Di Maria and would not suit even bale and many players top players out there. The manager is responsible as this possession and slow build up allows teams to defend with 10 and get their lines all set. There is nowhere to go and very little space to make forward passes or any runs for the likes of Di Maria and Janusaj.

We have become an over the top football team and easy to defend against. Do you think it is a coincidence we struggle to create anything even against lower half clubs.

If I was PL manager I must be loving what this guy is doing as he is making it easy for them and all the guys an opposing team would fear are being nullified with this style of football.

12.) 10 Feb 2015
Jmb - feillani world class ? Are we talking about the same player. It doesn't matter how long he is at utd he will never be utd quality let alone world class.

13.) 10 Feb 2015
10 Feb 2015 10:13:22
What do you mean sparky? Some of his goals for Everton were world class. I didn't say he was world class. Read the posts correctly.