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02 Mar 2021 22:32:29
Having watched ole's united this season and the comments he has made, it is clear that ole doesn't have confidence in this current squad. One game sticks out and that is the game vs liverpool. Liverpool were there for the talking, on poor form but ole decided to set his team up with hand breaks on.

Beat liverpool and the belief would grow that this utd team can fight for the title. Ole lacks belief in this this, the question is if the board would pull that extra weight in big incomings or settle for champions league places .

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1.) 04 Mar 2021 06:15:41
Tukorish you know the answer I guess. Finishing top 4 is the priority and anything else is just bonus. We could see a few incomings but probably depends on where we finish and hopefully a lot of outgoings to free up some space.


2.) 04 Mar 2021 06:45:02
Without sounding daft, but Ole's has allowed the team to play attackive football, hence the goals for and against.

We have played 9 games, since the start of Feb, mainly using the same 11, with the odd player rotation, coupled in with the fact thst Pogba (One of our most influencial players this season) has not played a part in any of those games.

It's not a case of lacking belief in his team, it's sheer tiredness.

I think Ole has lacked the skills to
To utilise possibly one, if not the strongest squad in the premier league.
Same formation week in, week out with the smae players starting. it's easy to be found wanting when other teams adapt.


3.) 04 Mar 2021 06:53:14
"There’s going to be less transfers happening in the world of football with all these changes"

“The C.V. is definitely affecting everyone in football, the lack of finances, it’s affected everyone. All clubs in the world are going through the same situation so it’s no different for other clubs than for us. ”

“We have to be realistic and responsible in the way we do our business both on and off the pitch.

“There are improvements on the training ground, stadium - we have to look at the whole picture.

“Where can we spend the money? And how much is there? It’s just the real world now. It has changed. ”

“You can look at it in different ways with a rebuild. We also have players in the academy that we now can maybe give opportunities for. ”

These are Ole's comments from his press conference yesterday. Don't expect much spending this summer.


4.) 04 Mar 2021 07:38:23
The decision makers are lowering our expectations for transfers.
It's not like we are Burnley or Brighton working on a limited budget, we are one of the top 3 biggest revenue generating club in the world.


5.) 04 Mar 2021 08:57:37
TrueRedDevil, the reality is that any club other than those that have mega wealthy sugar daddy owners who can just prop their team up will have suffered huge reductions in revenue over the past year and will continue to do so over the next 6 months.

18 months of lost match day revenue. For United that is around 3m for each home game. There will be at least 40 home games worth of lost revenue. So that is a ball park figure of 120m in lost revenue. Then there is a reduction in some sponsorship deals, delays in TV payments etc. It's not that much of a stretch to think that it's probably cost the club 150-180m in lost revenue.

We delayed a repayment on the loan a couple of years ago to spend the money on signings instead.

So there is repayments owed, while revenue is down somewhere between 30-50%.

I said previously that I would be surprised if we spent over 100m this summer. Going by recent comments it might be much lower than that.


6.) 04 Mar 2021 11:29:09
Shappy it's swings and roundabouts.

We're a lot more comfortable than the vast majority of senior football clubs and a lot of them will have to move players on at a lot less than they would have received two years ago.

It sounds like the excuses are already out to me, and we're set for another summer like last year. While we could be quite astute in the transfer market and picket some bargains from clubs in financial difficulty.

That's not going to happen with the amateurs in charge but it's an opportunity we should look to take advantage of. We'll probably spend 3 months chasing Sancho and end up re-signing David Bellion.


7.) 04 Mar 2021 11:37:58
Wazza, Clubs need to strike a balance between balancing the books and not selling the golden goose for a bag of beans.

While clubs might need to bring some money in, if they sell their best players for peanuts then they will struggle to perform and reach league finishing position targets.

Imagine if it was us, would we sell Bruno for a pittance to keep the paid if it means we almost certainly wouldn't get top four next season and therefore miss out of 30-40m next season.

It's a balancing act. I wouldn't say all clubs will sell the family silver for a cabbage.

Just look at January, the least amount spent in 10 years. I expect that to continue in the summer.


8.) 04 Mar 2021 12:30:14
Shappy - but it's not us, and nobody mentioned swapping a player for a bag of beans or a cabbage. Again you're twisting things.

I said some clubs will need to sell players for less than they would have received two years ago. That's reasonable and expected. I don't foresee a £100m+ transfer for anybody this summer. That doesn't mean that Borussia Dortmund are going to end up with a large beanstalk growing from their pitch.

I also expect summer to be a low spending window, certainly relative to recent years.

But there will be bargains to be had due to the C.V. and we should be in a position to take advantage.


9.) 04 Mar 2021 14:26:16
Wazza, do we need bargains or genuine top class well scouted players who'll exactly fit our need?

I think our recruitment has been an absolute shambles, and I don't think the best way to improve that is to buy players who might be out 5th or 6th choice or might not even be a genuine target at all because they are cheap or we could "take advantage" of another sides misfortune.

If a player who is first choice for a key position after months if not years of scouting is available for a reduced price then fantastic.

But if we are just buying them because they are cheap then that's a terrible way to go.

Last summer we signed DvdB because he had a buy out clause which meant we got him "cheaply" even though he wasn't our first choice or played in a similar way to our first choice.

In hindsight was the 40m we paid for him a bargain or a waste of money?

{Ed077's Note - who told you DvdB had a buyout? I am not disputing it just that this is the first time I've heard it mentioned.

I don't care whether we pay 80m or 8m for a player as long as the player performs well for the team. And I don't care whether he was first choice or 10th as long as the signing works .}


10.) 04 Mar 2021 15:05:25
Shappy you are totally twisting what I'm saying so there's little point in having the conversation.

"a lot of them [clubs] will have to move players on at a lot less than they would have received two years ago"

What I'm saying: Clubs may accept less than they would have two years ago.
What you're hearing: We must shop in the bargain bin and offer cabbages and beans as a transfer fee.

Good grief.


11.) 04 Mar 2021 16:52:17
Wazza, While clubs might have to accept a bit less than two years ago most clubs will have a lot less.

I guess the proof will be in the pudding, if in August the club have spent 150m+ I'll have egg on my face, if they spend less than 70m then you'll have egg on yours.


12.) 04 Mar 2021 17:16:02
No Shappy, you're making things up again. Either that or you're just being pig ignorant.

I don't think we'll spend £150m in the summer. I'm saying that some clubs will sell players for less than they would have received two years ago. Nothing in that says we are going on a spending spree.


13.) 04 Mar 2021 22:42:45
I am the one who believes wile will spend 150 millions. I am ready for the eggs 😄.


14.) 04 Mar 2021 23:44:58
Investment in playing squad secondary to investment in coaching, manager and DOF in my opinion this summer. This squad is a decent one - and with a proper coaching set up could and should be a challenging for honours.


15.) 05 Mar 2021 03:10:23
Eric79 you can't talk sense. The board is unlikely to make any drastic changes anytime soon.


 

 

 

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15 Sep 2021 13:38:28
I have been watching Manchester united games from early 2000's and I can Cleary say that they way United sets up makes them struggle whenever they are a man down. In close to my 20 yrs of following their games I always seat on the edge whenever they get a man sent off. Naturally teams that don't play possessional football struggle when a man down. Unless it's a team built defensively like Diego Simeone and Jose mourigho teams.

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11 Feb 2021 08:52:18
Been visiting this site for years now.first time poster .
Special thanks to the Ed's for the tremendous work they re doing. And to all the regular posters who keeps us all entertained. DVB interprets space very well, I feel he would do better in a false nine role in big games. He is clearly not a like for like replacement with bruno. He doesn't control games from the no 10 role, but he clearly pulls defenders apart with his great movement and one touch football.

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1.) 11 Feb 2021 09:30:23
I think you're spot on here, he is in my opinion a Raumenduter, which translates roughly to space investigator or interpreter. It's the role that Thomas Muller has made famous. Muller is a player who doesn't perfectly fit any particular role. He isn't blessed with pace to be a wide player, he isn't clinical enough to be a striker nor does he hold the ball up particularly well, he isn't a particularly creative passer to fit as a typical No.10. Yet he has had a hugely successful career playing in every single one of those roles at times throughout his career.

What makes Muller so good is his appreciation of space and where space will open up. He drifts into pockets of space that few others find, and in doing so creates opportunities for both himself and for teammates.

For me this describes Donny perfectly, he's more of a false 9/ second striker. Someone you want moving around in the final third finding pockets of space for little give and goes to put teammates through, or to be put through himself. But that would require a more creative player behind him on the same wavelength as him who can find him quickly and accurately once he finds those pockets of space before the opposition realise and mark him.

For me that was why I felt he was an ideal player for us in the summer, with us continually struggling to breakdown low blocks I felt Donny has the ability to find those little pockets of space and open teams them up. Sadly a combination of Donny seemingly taking time to settle and for our players to realise how to link up effectively with Donny means he hasn't been impactful enough to be a first choice player just yet.

I like the idea of playing a midfield diamond with split strikers, Rashford on the left and Greenwood on the right, play Donny at the tip finding those pockets of space and playing give and goes with the strikers. Bruno and McTomniay playing either side and a proper CDM at the base like Rice or Ndidi would be excellent.


2.) 11 Feb 2021 09:47:30
Agree with that Tukorish. Even just watching the game the other night, he pretty much became a second striker in most of our attacks. I like his movement and even if it's not him scoring a goal or getting an assist, he will create space for others. It's tough for him getting a game or two per month to show his best form as well. He is also able to play as a CM though and ultimately I'd say that's where he is more likely to get game time because Bruno is undroppable.

Hopefully once Pogba goes in the summer he's given more playing time with either him or McT as a box to box type player and an upgrade on Matic / Fred in midfield next to them.


3.) 11 Feb 2021 16:02:20
VdB is in my opinion yet another example of a flawed and incoherent transfer policy. He was no doubt viewed as a cheaper alternative to Grealish and whilst both may be considered attacking midfielders they are in reality totally different players. VdB doesn’t really suit Utd’s current more individualistic and direct style of play and if you think about it carefully he was never likely to be first choice with Fernandes and Pogba at the Club. Our attacking play is based around individual moments of quality, rather than recognised patterns of play. In this regard it’s easy to see why Ole wanted Grealish and to understand why VdB has struggled. He can’t dribble past players or shoot from distance, his passing range is limited, he doesn’t have pace so relies on linking with other players preferring quick, sharp, incisive passing and intelligent movement. Unfortunately that’s just not how we play under Ole.

Fernandes has transformed the Club since his arrival and there can be no justification for starting VdB ahead of Bruno at No10.

In the midfield pivot VdB could fulfil the box to box role occupied by Pogba or more recently Mctominay but on current evidence is he a better option than either player both of whom have scored some very important goals recently? He needs to be better than those three players in order to start more games consistently and to be honest I’m not convinced he is; more importantly neither does Ole.

A change in formation to 4-3-3 could possibly see him play alongside Fernandes at No8 but at the moment we don’t have a reliable enough CDM to anchor the midfield. In my opinion Ole ideally wants to play with a defensive midfielder, a box to box player and a more advanced attacking midfielder. That leaves VdB battling with Fernandes and Pogba for two of those positions. I also think we have seen evidence that Mctominay is much more effective when he is allowed to break forward and make runs into the box. He has now added goals to his game, he is a powerful runner, has a fierce shot and is a threat at set pieces. I wonder if he will now be encouraged to get forward more and take on more attacking responsibility especially against the lower placed teams meaning VdB has another player to compete with for a starting place in the team.

If truth be told I’m not convinced VdB will ever be anything more than a very good squad rotation option. I accept he could possibly have been given more minutes and brought on a lot earlier in some games but I’m just not sure where he really fits in and he must show he is better than what we’ve already got when given the chance.

Shappy you are talking about totally changing the way we play and moving Bruno deeper from where he has been so successful. It’s a novel idea and I actually think Bruno could do a job from deeper positions on occasions, even as part of a double pivot to accommodate VdB playing higher up the pitch and using his movement to disrupt teams whilst getting Bruno moved involved in the game or even moving to a midfield diamond as you have suggested.

In reality I think Ole wants to play 4-2-3-1 and he wants Bruno as his 10. I think if Ole wants to take this team to another level he needs a CB to partner Maguire, a special-ist CDM to anchor the midfield and a RW. Once he has those players in place we’ll see if he is able to compete with the best and bring the top honours back to Utd.

He needs the board to buy him the players he needs in order to implement his system and not present him with 2nd, 3rd or 4th choice options that he really didn’t want which I suspect was the case with VdB.


 

 

 

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12 Apr 2021 08:16:16
Lingard is devastating when he has space to run into and play, at utd, teams seat back in low blocks rendering him ineffective.

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11 Apr 2021 09:37:18
City have the best squad in the epl.
City has the best coach in the world who eats tactics for breakfast.
Pep would not be at city forever, all utd has to do is to build a team capable of capitalizing when city has a blip. Klopp did a brilliant job doing one season over pep. He pushed his players to the limit, we are all witnessing the effect of that push this season.

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29 Mar 2021 08:50:01
Giving a manager his first choice players won't make him tactically better, but their would be an air of arrogance the way he would approach games. Its apparent ole doesn't have the confidence in this team. The only manager I bet that would still play with handbrake even if you give him all his targets is Jose Mourinho.

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16 Mar 2021 14:29:59
Ole is a good manager that is not tactically good. Their are coaches that are good tactically but bad managers. The harmony in man utd dressing shows ole management abilities. However he needs good tactical assistant.

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