23 May 2025 07:36:25
I saw this earlier today.
There are unsubstantiated rumours of players not being happy with RA's methods. A couple of thoughtful trophy-winning former United players wonder how effective it can be having a coaching staff that, in some cases, is both younger and less experienced than the players they are attempting to work with.
Many will say the players are the issue here, but if you lack confidence in the coaches, or they are hugely inexperienced, then is it a surprise?
23 May 2025 08:47:10
We had the exact same leaks with Moyes, Van Gaal, Mourinho, Ole, Rangnik and most recently with Ten Haag. Six repetitions of the same thing, IT’S THE BLOODY PLAYERS!
23 May 2025 09:05:26
In one Rewz.
23 May 2025 09:31:42
Rewz,
Couldn’t have put it better myself. Also, we don’t have any players older than the manager. If they don’t like the methods they know exactly where they can go.
23 May 2025 09:54:57
What players do we have older than the manager, I know they play like there 50 but they ain’t, just more crap that comes out when losing.
Like all blame the system bandwagon that’s all tosh, can’t score goals can’t win matches, when we come up against physicality we are in trouble, everytime.
23 May 2025 10:38:03
If this is true then it’s the same crap over and over again, simply the players trying to shift the blame into someone else. Other side is that it’s utter bs and simply the media making up crap to stir the pot and create even more tension in an already volatile situation. We need a massive culture change this summer one way or another….
23 May 2025 11:44:55
The thing that worries me, is the sheer number of players we need to get out he club. We’ve got players out on loan that need to be sold and replaced (Sancho, Rashford, Antony, Malacia), players leaving on free’s (Eriksen, Lindelof, Evans, Heaton) that need replacing PLUS a large number of the team that needs selling and replacing.
Realistically the players we can probably sell are Bruno, Garnacho, Mainoo, Dalot, Amad plus with the documented interest from Italy maybe Zirkzee and Hojlund. Of the aforementioned players Mainoo and Amad are probably the least likely to be sold.
Shaw and Casemiro are finished but still have years left, approx. £600k pw in salary so we are stuck with them. Martínez is quality but can’t stay fit, Mount hasn’t be able to put a run of games together in 2 years. That’s four senior players you can’t reply upon.
The goalkeeper position needs addressing.
I can see Garnacho, Bruno, Dalot, Zirkzee and Hojlund potentially going, add in the four out on loan and the four leaving on a free, that’s potentially 13 players.
The rebuild needed on the squad is terrifyingly large.
23 May 2025 12:08:32
In my opinion I think the potentials are Bruno Fernandes potentially sold for £120m. Rashford linked with a £40m move. Garnacho, despite his talent, might be off for £50m. Sancho could go for a cut-price £20m. Add to that a list of expiring contracts — Eriksen, Lindelöf, Heaton, Evans — and you’re looking at a significant reset both on the pitch and on the wage bill.
But what does this mean in real financial terms, especially under the Premier League’s Profit and Sustainability Rules (PSR)?
Estimated Player Sales and PSR Profit Impact
Player Sale Fee (£m) Original Cost (£m) Book Value Left PSR Profit (Est. )
Bruno Fernandes £120m £47m ~£5m ~£115m
Marcus Rashford £40m Academy product £0 £40m
Garnacho £50m Academy product £0 £50m
Jadon Sancho £20m £73m ~£30m ~–£10m (loss)
Estimated PSR Profit: ~£195 million
Because Rashford and Garnacho came through the academy, 100% of their sale fees count as profit in PSR terms. Bruno, with most of his transfer cost now amortised, would also register a massive profit. Even with a Sancho loss, the total PSR profit is significant.
Wage Bill Relief
Player Weekly Wage Annual Saving
Fernandes £240k £12.5m
Rashford £300k £15.6m
Garnacho £50k £2.6m
Sancho £350k £18.2m
Eriksen £150k £7.8m
Lindelöf £120k £6.2m
Heaton £40k £2.1m
Evans £40k £2.1m
Total Estimated Wage Savings: ~£67 million annually
This creates vital breathing space under both PSR and the UEFA Squad Cost Ratio, even though United will not be in the Champions League next season.
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So, What Can United Spend?
Under PSR, you can’t lose more than £105m over three years, but player sales and cost-cutting can offset this. With ~£195m in PSR profit and a leaner wage bill, United could reasonably reinvest around £200m–£250m, if structured smartly.
How?
Buy a player for £50m on a 5-year deal = only £10m/ year hit to PSR.
Spread your rebuild across 4–5 signings on these terms, and you stay well within your financial limits.
Other Factors:
No Champions League = a £40–60m revenue hit.
Still paying instalments for past transfers (Antony, Casemiro, etc. ) .
Need to budget for agent fees, bonuses, and future wages.
23 May 2025 14:46:08
Doesn't Sancho only have 1 year left on his contract meaning that if his original cost was £73m his book value should now be down to £15m and a £20m sale would yield a small profit?
I wonder whether there will be interest in Antony from any richer clubs than Betis. His book value is reportedly still around £32m. His salary remains an obstacle, but we can only hope. If not maybe he can stay there at Betis. They qualified for the Europa League and could maybe afford to cover all his salary.
Amorim doesn't seem to fancy Mainoo much either but if Bruno goes he maybe has to be kept for another year. Often players have a poor second year after impressing the first. Kobbie was blighted by injuries this season, maybe he'll shine next year. All profit if sold.
Dalot could also be a potential sale. He's been written down to £0 so it would yield all profit.
The commentators on the Europa final were suggesting that a place in the Champions League would be worth > £100m between guarantees, sponsorship etc.
With no European football we should be able to make do with a slightly smaller squad.
23 May 2025 15:50:46
There is no outstanding transfer fee to be amortised for Bruno.
23 May 2025 16:07:57
Rinse and bloody repeat from the players. never their fault.
So they don't like the methods of a manager with a young coaching set up. One that got success at their previous club as the players brought into it and they got players that suit.
Get rid of these players.
23 May 2025 16:18:55
Why does everyone worry about players salaries and fees etc, it’s not your money, what’s the point quoting figures you have no worry or concern about, plus. What makes you think if any quality players come in they are going to be cheaper or work for a few luncheon vouchers, I don’t get it….
Would not be so bad if you knew the inner workings of the club but your all dreaming these figures up on hear say, don’t give me the accounts tosh or media BS
Oh just sell Bruno for 120m yeah easy… and also get rid of the only player we got that’s any good….
23 May 2025 16:25:58
Sancho was bought for £73m on a 5 year deal. That’s £14.6m pa, that obviously is just the fee, I have no knowledge of how agents fees etc are accrued, they may be an exceptional line item on the balance sheet or could be wrapped up in the amortised book value. His contract is up in June ‘26 so that would leave £14.6m of book. The £20m figure banded about is about right is the other costs were included.
Bruno’s original deal (5.5yrs) ran until the end of this season I believe.
Playing football manager with the player amortised number is all god and well. However we still have significant debt owed on players, we have reductions written into contracts for not being in Europe and we will have a yr on yr revenue reduction for the league revenue due to our finish. The 25/ 26 forecast will have significantly reduced revenues, it’s not just about PSR it’s about balancing the books. Don’t be surprised to see more staff cuts, high earning players moved on with cheaper alternatives coming. Any planned capex projects will get canned.
I still don’t understand why Ineos bought in the way they did. They would have done an incredible amount of due diligence and yet still dropped over £1.3bn to buy 29.9% of a failing company. They would have had asset surveys undertaken on all the physical stuff like the stadium and training facilities, forensic accounting on the finances. They own other clubs so it’s not their first Rodeo. On the face of it, it doesn’t make sound commercial sense.
23 May 2025 17:38:55
Here we go again with the players don't like the managers methods.
I do fear for Amorim though, if United start poorly next season the media are going to whip up a storm.
United need to start getting some positivity in the news and begin changing the narrative.
23 May 2025 17:58:47
Won't happen thou, it's utd therefore only negative stories get published. utd ruined a lot of these jurnos childhoods and this in their heads in revenge. It's that simple, until utd start winning this is always going to continue.
23 May 2025 19:19:49
For f**KS sake it's the players. How stupid do we have to be to keep blaming the manager time after time after time.
Just remove the emotion for a second and think logically.
This is a league title winning manager with these coaches. He has taken a fallen giant club and made them back into a genuine force in Portugal.
While these players have never won the title and have shown themselves to be incapable time and time again under multiple managers.
If at this point you still feel its the manager that is the problem them either you have a very low IQ or you've suffered some traumatic brain injury at some point.
23 May 2025 20:33:17
Indeed Shappy.
24 May 2025 01:48:36
I am in agreement it’s not the manager, but stating people have a very low iQ because they have there opinions is a bit rich, when your opinion rates highly Martinez and the others that you done in an earlier post, some could say your iQ must be equally as low, but it’s an opinion so it’s not, but only someone with a very low iQ or traumatic brain injury would make such a crazy statement! Grow up a bit, it’s not funny or a nice thing to say don’t matter who you are addressing it to….
24 May 2025 08:06:05
From 13/ 14 - 18/ 19, sporting finished between 2nd and 3rd in the Portuguese league.
A fallen giant? You make it sound like he took them from the bottom of the league.
Shappy, what are you on about?
24 May 2025 08:13:02
Shappy
9 of the players in the squad have won league titles before.
24 May 2025 08:28:23
It’s the owners
It’s the management
It’s the coach
It’s the players
Let’s face it we have bad owners, historical mismanagement, a coach who can’t get results and a poor squad.
It’s entirely plausible the management hire the wrong managers and purchase the wrong players.
24 May 2025 09:11:30
Imagine making the initial post as a stick to beat the manager with, when every manager has had the same briefings. Every single manager post Ferguson.
Was Van Gaal a shocking manager? Mourinho? The answer is no.
24 May 2025 09:19:44
We could just do a what Chelsea did and sell ourselves the women’s team. Worth 200m apparently would make a massive difference.
24 May 2025 11:52:52
Whole squad needs ripping up and starting again. It’s crap.
24 May 2025 12:15:12
German, get off your high horse! You're guilty of posting similar insulting comments when you disagree with someone's opinion. '
24 May 2025 12:54:17
Fizz you have never seen a post of mine that’s personally derogatory
And saying about brain injury’s is beyond a joke, so I will stay on my high horse thanks, if coming off it means getting that far down in the gutter.
24 May 2025 13:21:18
Ooh, matron.
24 May 2025 19:09:19
Garnacho been told he can go.
{Ed025's Note - some good news at last Wallace...can he take Hojlund with him as well please mate?..
25 May 2025 01:26:06
I am sure they can get a bigger taxi along with Garnacho, Rasmus, Ugarte, Zirkee can sit in the back, because cutbacks and can’t afford 2 taxis best also put Onana in the boot
SJR could always send a fleet of his Grenadier vehicles which he can’t sell because are as crap as the United team and could fit most the squad in them. set the satnav to a far away land
In fact SJR could drive….
25 May 2025 19:54:25
Let's be fair German, we'd need confirmation of the previous names you've posted under to be able to check whether you've been derogatory towards other posters.
Typically I'd say if you're using a new username as your previous ones have been banned that kind of suggests that you crossed a line with what you wrote, whether it got though the editing process or not.