29 Apr 2025 11:15:21
Read today that Dan Gore welcomes a move away from Old Trafford and United would let him go for £1 million. Anyone think we should be trying to keep him? Gore has seemingly said he wants a step up from the under 21's/.
29 Apr 2025 13:21:53
Keep him for what?
He is destined for a decent career in the lower leagues. If he is lucky.
29 Apr 2025 13:57:24
Well look what happened to our squad player McTominay. Just thought he had potential? A lot thought Gomes had no chance and he has been called up for England.
29 Apr 2025 14:48:41
Can’t keep everyone in the hope they might come good…
Let’s be fair ETH got rid of better than he bought, so McT is not nothing to go by, tbh I would rather Mc T or Fred than Ugarte and use the money to be added for a striker, Fred could not pass the ball 20 yards, Ugarte can’t pass 10 yards and very slow and not mobile…
But we can’t just keep storing players in hope they may come good, even first teamers let alone under 21s….
29 Apr 2025 15:46:35
Charlton palmer got England caps that's no sign he is any good.
I think gomes is available on a free i wonder who will snap him up he has done OK at lille.
Dan gore has not done well in his loan spells.
Ugatre is miles better than Fred imo, but limited in his passing range but his possession stats out performing Fred consistently. Which is a low bar.
I think we have as big an issue for our 2 midfielders as we do strikers.
Cas collyer and ugarte are really not great options for 2 starting spots. Bruno has had to drop back there this season. We need 2 midfielder as much as a striker or keeper. The lack of control and creativity in midfield is poor.
Can't all be done in 1 window so it's not easy to prioritise when there are so many holes to fill.
29 Apr 2025 15:50:27
Can't help but feel that Gore has been over taken by other players in the picking order of younger players and his loan deals have not exactly worked out for a number of reasons.
I would expect we either give him another loan in the Championship with a view that this is final chance, increase value or can come back and fight for a place. Or, we decide it is better to sell and get him a move with either a sell on clause/ buy back option.
Unfortunately I think he will not get to the standard we need going forward.
29 Apr 2025 16:42:03
Sell him with sell on clause.
29 Apr 2025 18:08:49
I think he missed the boat unfortunately. He was highly rated but got injured at just the wrong moment. Who knows what might have happened if he didn't get injured.
Either way it's kind of irrelevant now, Mainoo and Collyer have over taken him, while likes of Kone, McAllister, Scanlon and Thwaites are also highly rated and might soon be ready to push towards the first team squad.
If Gore is to forge a good career inn football he needs to start playing at the senior level regularly. To do that he will likely need to leave on a permanent deal.
He won't the first highly rated youngster to leave and he won't be the last. Charlie Savage is now playing for Reading in League 1, and Zidane Iqbal for Utrecht in the Netherlands. Remember when they had that phenomenal pre-season and a couple of good cameos at the start of EtH's tenure?
Some step up, most don't. But as a club we tend to give them more of a chance than most.
It's probably time for Gore to move on for his own best interests. I'd wish him well and hope he has a great career.
29 Apr 2025 23:17:07
he's had 2 loans and only played 3 or 4 games. my mates a port vale fan, they had him last year and he said in 1 half of football you could tell he was mentally weak and wouldn't make it. Hid behind an injury. Rotherham manager alluded to the same this season, We have enough of them, let him go.
30 Apr 2025 06:43:39
Oh so his possession stats are better than Fred’s, is that the same stats you always say that a certain poster uses to mask the truth!
So if we are using stats that normally you don’t like, what about running stats, what about passing to your own player stats, let’s just forget he played for Brazil very well too, no one saying Fred was great but I would rather have him in my team and the money in the bank then Ugarte in my team!
30 Apr 2025 12:13:02
Fred was used in the wrong position here tho he was never a holding mid was more box to box till UTD signed him Ugartes not bad dosent exactly tear it up obvs just a typical ETH signing. Ye i'd have kept Fred and put that money towards a striker tho i'd not have touched strikers with scoring records of Hoijlund and Zirkzee with a bargepole in the first place 9 goals at Atalanta 72 million fee was insane i get potential but that's a 10/ 15 million punt at best which is what he's worth now. Can make a good start in 1 window tumble no wasting money on more defenders which imo ain't that bad tho we concede loads problems are from the traffic cones in front of the defense can't hold or progress the ball so easy to play thro UTD are slow amd weak on the ball Amos wingbacks can wait his 1st one Dorgus so far been nothing special.
30 Apr 2025 13:18:44
As we can see from the players that have come through this season, if he was good enough he would have got his chance .
01 May 2025 06:48:56
I’m not 100% sure, but I’m guessing someone isn’t a Ugarte fan.
01 May 2025 11:48:56
TBH I am not a fan of one ETH signing, For the life of me can’t understand one of them signings, must have been an ulterior motive, surely. but for me the worst got to be Antony, because he worked with him for years, so should have known him inside out and know not only he not worth 80 mil, but was never suited to the premier and should have also known the personal baggage he had, that shows a total lack of knowledge…
So no not a Ugarte fan either or the rest.
01 May 2025 12:28:20
I'd noticed.
01 May 2025 12:38:23
Sure, sell Gore.
I actually quite like Ugarte and Bruno as a midfield pairing. I think it gets the best out of Bruno.
I'd rather Utd buy a pair of 10s or a 10 and a RWB depending on where Amad plays.
Collyer did well and needs more games. Kone is coming through. Let's see what happens.
Up front and GK are the priorities. Midfield can wait another year
The only issue will be if Bruno leaves and TBH I wouldn't blame him. Then Utd really are in trouble.
01 May 2025 13:42:15
I must admit i expected a lot more from Ugarte and i agree with Germansuppclub he is slow and gets caught on the ball a lot but unfortunately i think that he is currently best option we have to play that role.
We are not as open as we were earlier this season but that midfield is a real weak link in the United team. They way teams cut through us sometimes is mind boggling Lyon did it with 10 men in the last round.
05 May 2025 08:11:15
Ugarte isn't a problem, he's been good without being great so far. But then I think a lot of that is down to his midfield partner.
Amorim's system uses a double pivot in midfield, and he doesn't want his wingbacks to invert into midfield. That means the midfield can be outnumbered by a side that plays with a midfield three.
The solution to this is twofold. Firstly, the inside forwards need to stay narrower and press very effectively but also understand where they need to position themselves to cut off passing lanes centrally. At United this has been difficult at times when Garnacho for example who isn't a natural when it comes to off the ball movement is playing. Bruno two at times has a tendency to press relentlessly but that does mean he vacates space that can be used by the opposition to get the ball into midfield.
Secondly, Amorim tends to use a very energetic and mobile midfield double pivot. They don't tend to be expansive passers, but players with a great engine and understanding of space. They work together and with the inside forwards to cut off passing lanes centrally forcing the opposition to go down the flanks. Again so far at United Amorim has struggled to find the right partner for Ugarte. Particularly in the more physically demanding EPL. In Europe Casemiro has been able to partner Ugarte effectively, but he doesn't have the stamina or mobility to do so in the EPL.
To be honest Bruno has probably been Ugarte's best partner in the EPL, even though he has a tendency to over commit himself at times which has left us open.
Mainoo is a phenomenal talent, but he lacks both the athleticism and the reading of the game currently to fullfil this role in Amorim's system effectively and consistently. Which is why Amorim has preferred to play him further forward, while he develops at least.
Eriksen is obviously not a great fit and we have been at our poorest when he has played deeper. Maybe if Mount was able to stay fit he might be a good partner for Ugarte.
We've been linked with Ederson from Atalanta who looks an ideal fit, energetic, mobile, technically strong and relentless.
While if we were able to bring in a player like Cunha and/ or Mbeumo then we would have the right sort of player to play ahead of and work with the double pivot to force teams wide to try and progress the ball.
I don't think Ugarte is a problem, he just cannot transform the midfield by himself.
05 May 2025 10:26:49
Far too sensible an answer shappy.