09 Apr 2025 22:26:12
I'm sure everybody has seen the Liam Delap links over the past couple of weeks. Well, the latest update is United are likely to miss out on Delap unless they win the Europa as he wants European football. The rumours are saying Delap prefers a move to Chelsea instead.
{Ed007's Note - I never buy this "wants CL/European football" mantra, come up to Celtic for £30k a week and play in the CL, what they mean is they want the £250k a week type wages top CL teams pay.
10 Apr 2025 07:57:06
In some cases I can understand these stories especially with players of a certain age or if they have been competing on the CL with there current club (someone like Osihmen maybe its an influence) . Players should also consider the life of their contract they sign, if not year 1 what is it likely to be in year 2/ 3.
However, for someone like Delap he needs to be considering what is the best place for his next development not what European football that team will be in. If the two points align great, but being second/ third fiddle for a CL team would not be the right move.
Plus as Ed says, quite often wages can appease players!
10 Apr 2025 08:44:41
Playing second fiddle to a more established striker is exactly what the lad needs. He still has a lot to learn, and could do without the pressure and expectation that being first choice at a club like ours would bring. Likewise, we need a proven goalscorer, not another young player with a lot of potential. I think Chelsea would be a much better fit for him.
10 Apr 2025 09:59:03
We have to accept that currently we are not a top side that everyone just wants to join like we were under SAF.
We will have to sell the club and the project to players to get them to join us.
It's about what we can offer them as much as what they offer us. Maybe we can't offer European football maybe we can. But that isn't the only reason a player joins a club. Money is another factor, but we have to be careful here not to overstretch ourselves like we have done in the past. Being able to offer higher wages doesn't mean that you should.
For us however the real selling point over a club like Chelsea has to be our record of developing young players.
We can point to Mainoo and Garnacho who have come up through the academy, and to Yoro, Dorgu and Heaven who we have signed recently and given plenty of opportunities to them.
While Chelsea have gained a reputation of stockpiling young players in recent seasons. Signing many of them and giving very few a real chance to play regularly. Chelsea have signed 41 players in the last three seasons, of which maybe 7 can be considered regular starters for them. That means only 17% of the players they sign become regular first team players.
Would Delap be first choice at Chelsea or will it be Jackson once he's back from injury?
Sow the seed of doubt, several young and promising players have joined Chelsea recently to see their career stall.
If the rumours of his release clause are true and he could be available for as little as 30m then it would be an absolute no brainer for us to do what we can to sign him this summer. Young, talented, English, EPL proven and with potential to become a genuine top player.
He is a player who could join us and with better players around him could easily score 15-20 league goals next season (he has 12 for Ipswich this season already) .
While if bought for 30m then even if he doesn't step up to the level we need he'd either be a solid squad option or we could sell him without making a loss, we might even make a profit.
This is the kind of sensible transfer that we have been crying out for over the past decade. Normally we spend twice as much on either a declining or unproven player who ultimately doesn't live up to the hype. We have to accept that the fee paid can both weigh heavily on the player and raises the expectations of fans to often unreasonable and ultimately unattainable levels. Meaning the player is often considered a flop even when they've been okay. Take Maguire for example, he's an average player who is fine in the right set up. If we paid 35m for him he wouldn't be considered the flop he is often referred to.
Højlund I think is suffering from the fee paid for him. He is a decent player with a lot of potential. His finishing is elite, and his channel runs are great, his hold up and link play is poor. But he was 20 years old when we signed him, he was always at least 3 or 4 years away from being the finished article. Yet for the fee paid and due to a lack of other options he became the first choice and expected to be able to carry the goalscoring burden (for a team that in recent times have really struggled to create good chances for our strikers) .
He's not a bad player, he's just young and has a lot of developing to do.
Delap ticks pretty much all the boxes for what we need both on the pitch and in terms of financial restrictions. The only box he doesn't tick is experience. He doesn't have 3 or 4 seasons of performing at a high level. Yet if he did he'd probably cost 80-100m given that he'd be 24/ 25 years old and English. The kind of money we don't have to spend on a striker this summer.
I've said before, I think the ideal solution to our striker issue this summer is to sign both Delap and Jonathan David which we can do for around 30-40m apparently (with David being on a free) . That gives us two strikers to rotate around up front, one young but with EPL experience, the other entering their peak and with a track record of scoring 20 goals a season for the past 4 years. I'd then loan out Højlund so the he can develop and improve without the spotlight of playing for United. Then we have options the following summer of maybe selling him if we can find a buyer or bringing him back and rotating him up front if he's ready. I'd probably also send Chido out on loan to the championship to play regularly at senior level. He's too good for youth football, but not ready to play regularly for us. Give him a loan and he might come back ready to be a squad option for us.
10 Apr 2025 10:18:19
Maguire would be considered a flop if we paid 50p for him! And to be fair Hoijlund isn’t elite in his finishing. That’s a stretch of the imagination.
10 Apr 2025 11:09:58
Keefy, Maguire is an average EPL defender, he'd be first choice for most teams outside of the ECL places. He has some strengths and some obvious weaknesses, if you have the right set up/ partner for him then that limits those issues.
He's not a player I'd have ever signed and I was strongly against it when we were linked with him, and not happy when we signed him.
However, while he hasn't been a great player for us, I think the criticism that he receives at times is over the top. Because we paid a ridiculous fee for him he was expected to be our saviour, and he was never capable of being that.
As for Højlund's finishing last season he had the highest shot conversion rate in Europe's top five leagues. At one point he was scoring with over 60% of his shots. Most elite strikers rarely get above 30%.
So I think it's fair to say his finishing is elite. The problem has always been the fact that he gets so few shots.
Elite goalscorers tend to have around 4 shots a game on average, typically scoring around 1 goal a game, with a shot conversion rate of around 25%.
Højlund was averaging 1 shot a game, and scored 7 in 10 games where he had a total of 12 shots across those 10 games, giving him a conversion rate of above 60%. This dropped a little by the end of the season, but he still finished with a conversion rate of above 40%.
If he can get his shot numbers up to 3 or 4 shots a game then he'll likely start scoring a goal a game, which would make him an elite goalscorer.
Last season I put the issue down to a lack of chances being made for him. With players like Rashford, Antony and Garnacho all looking to shoot first and only looking to pass as a last resort when they cannot shoot. While I still feel that as a team we don't create enough shooting opportunities for our strikers, I have seen issues in Højlund's game where he isn't consistently in the best positions to get shooting opportunities.
Now however much of that is down to him and an area of his game he needs to develop and how much is down to how he is being asked to play in Amorim's system who knows.
Højlund's current skill set is very much suited to playing on the shoulder of the last man and making runs into the channels, using his pace to get away from his man and finishing well past the keeper.
Yet a Amorim's system demands his striker to both be able to do that but to also drop a little deeper, hold up the ball and link play. These are things that Højlund currently struggles with. His touch is inconsistent when under pressure, his passing is average and despite being a big guy he loses most of his physical battles even though he does it shy away from them.
This has led to him dropping deeper than his natural game would have him, getting involved in battles with defenders and unfortunately losing them either due to a poor touch under pressure or being out muscled. This has also meant that he has often been too deep when we have a breakaway opportunity and he hasn't been as effective at running the channels.
I also think the pressure and spotlight on him this season has been too much, and that seems to have impacted his confidence. He certainly doesn't look as happy or comfortable playing this season as he did last.
In a different team with a different set up he'd be a great young player. The question now is whether he can develop his game to the level needed to fit into Amorim's system or not. It's a tricky juncture, does he try and round out his skill set to become a more complete striker, or does he focus on what he's good at to become truly elite within a specific role. Lots of young players have tired to become more rounded but ended up as a jack of all trades but master of none type player.
That's why I'd loan him out. Send him to a team that suits his natural game, let him build up his confidence and form again. Allow him to develop his strengths as clearly trying to improve his weaknesses hasn't really worked. Allow him to become that great counter attacking striker.
Then he can either come back and be an option off the bench later in games when we need a goal and the game has become more open and end to end, or we could sell him and recoup all of his book value meaning we don't make a loss. You also never know who might be in charge by that point. I expect Amorim to have a much stronger season next year with a full pre-season and a much more suited squad, but if he doesn't he might well be sacked and the new manager might set up his team in a way that more suits Højlund.
10 Apr 2025 11:30:04
Nah. Elite strikers do it consistently. Not even close. Again skewed statistics based on a very very low sample rate can make anyone look elite.
If he has the same conversion rate in a few years time, then fair enough.
But don't hold your breath.
10 Apr 2025 13:50:50
Hojlund has regressed since Ruud and Macarthy departed. No one is developing him now and his positional sense has deserted him as its not being reinforced week in week out. I wouldn't sell, but I would get someone he can learn from, so in that sense ypu need a proven top player, Osimhen or Kane are the only options who can cut ot straight away, Delay is only learning himself whilst David if available is only French proven and that's a worry for me.
The crux of our problems are in transition and creation. Sort out the spine in the centre, and upfront, don't meddle too much (this constant need for rebuilding is a smoke screen, it's 4 players away from being a squad thay fits Ruben's system and it's time to deliver next season.
By the way, anyone else notice Rashford lose the ball for PSGs second last night, and then amble back without a care in the world. If he had done that at United as he always did we would be be crucified in the press but at Villa, not so much a murmur.
I wonder when Amorim is going to create a siege mentality around all the negativity and get into the players heads that the media and the Premier League are all ABUs and leverage that to our advantage.
I hope when he gets the right players for his setup he puts the hammer down and really sets our stall out. I've seen some great fast passing link up play in transition fail due to poor creativity, poor vision of obvious passes and really poor movement by the forwards.
Get that right and we will be properly dangerous as a unit.
10 Apr 2025 18:52:03
Delap more suited for Chamionship, than Champions league.
11 Apr 2025 05:16:03
That’s a real stretch Rasmus finishing is elite! Your skewed figures are from games against very very lowly teams in europa league!
Plus he is useless with his head, he got delayed reaction always on his heels, reacts a split second late on everything, certainly can’t hold the ball up and the elite finishing you mention, he misses the target more than hits it!
Moans and groans at everyone else always there fault, never gambles
Very poor striker, I don’t buy this young crap either and will develop, he shows no signs of anything to develop!
Another play with stats I’m afraid.
11 Apr 2025 07:24:30
Rasmus is not elite at anything. His touch is dreadful.
13 Apr 2025 08:01:26
Shappy
Hojland elite and great, words I don’t associate with the player I see.
Then you say “his current skill set is very much suited to playing on the shoulder of the last man and making runs into the channels, using his pace to get away from his man and finishing well past the keeper. ”. That sounds like fantasy description from a computer game to be quite frank. We never see him doing it.
Hojland lacks confidence right now but has glaring inadequacies and we are not seeing improvements. It was said he had a very big ego when he arrived, maybe he reads that it isn’t his fault, just the way he being asked to play, so it’s not him. Oh woe is me the rest of the team are not putting chances on a plate for me. That said they did on Thursday and he totally fluffed it, miss hit it didn’t even put it on target.
Fact is Shappy, Harry came on up front and looked more dangerous in 10 minutes than Hojland looked all season. Even Zirkzee created more space for himself. I think we have to face it that Hojland may not be United standard, the shirt maybe too much and he may do better in a different league.
15 Apr 2025 00:08:05
So Shappy, Utd can point out that Chelsea have bought 41 players but only 7 have become regulars. But United have bought 2 young ST’s in Hojlund and Zirkzee and both are complete flops. Both get zero service from your attacking players which is unlikely to change next year. Utd’s ’success’ with young players is Garnacho who the club want to flog, Mainoo who’s fallen off completely this year (and doesn’t seem to have a place in RA’s system), Yoro and Dorgu have been mixed performances and Hayden has played twice. Hardly a ringing endorsement for ‘record of developing young players’.
15 Apr 2025 14:23:40
Hoijlund and elite don't belong in the same sentence pure fantasy Shappy not only is he the worst striker in the prem i'd say he's comfortably the worst overall player inthe league.