11 Jun 2024 23:12:27
Hi ed, there's reports tonight that juventus are hoping to sign mason greenwood in the next few weeks. Is there any truth to these stories? Hopefully now the manager is sorted we can move on to much needed incomings and outgoings. Thanks.
{Ed002's Note - Mason Greenwood (F) Time to move on - offered to Lazio, Marseille and Atalanta but none seem to be biting. Turkey, perhaps with Mr Mourinho at Fenerbahce, or the Middle East might provide permanent options. Napoli, Atletico Madrid or Real Sociedad may offer an option but the fee will be too high for Getafe to buy, but they will try to find a creative solution or another loan. He is on the list of Michael Emenalo, but that may not suit the player. Agent wants him to move to Italy for a fresh start and has suggested to Juventus that they offer a swap for Chiesa.}
12 Jun 2024 11:28:53
Thanks for the reply ed. Much appreciated.
12 Jun 2024 13:50:38
Mason should be retained just like EtH was. Let's hope the new owners see sense again!
12 Jun 2024 15:19:57
Jimbob,
You must be joking. If I’d heard ETH on a voice note doing what Greenwood had done I don’t think I’d want him as manager, would you?
12 Jun 2024 16:43:22
Ed do you think it would be wiser for united to ask for soule rather than chiesa?
Seems to be highly rated.
{Ed002's Note - They have no interest in him.}
12 Jun 2024 20:42:27
GDS2, the EtH decision has been made. Don't be like others on here and still try to discuss it, move on. Just like Greenwood and his missus have done, learn to accept people can make mistakes and equally people can be forgiven.
Like the EtH out brigade, the Greenwood out brigade are sheep, jumping on the media bandwagon. I think he should stay because he is exactly what we need. You are welcome to think otherwise.
What I do hope though, is that if he is retained, the fans get behind him rather than join the brain-dead fans who will take every opportunity to shout about his mistakes. If UTD retain him, ensuring Mason can cope with the abuse he will receive will need to be managed.
13 Jun 2024 10:45:28
Jimbo, Greenwood should be allowed to learn from his mistakes and move on. Has he? I dunno. With no public acceptance of wrong doing along with an apology it's hard to know if he's even actually aware that what he did was wrong.
He's a very good player, even potentially a great one. Is he "exactly" what we need? I'm not so sure. Personally I think with the majority of our wide players being more goalscorers rather than creators, I think what we need is a wide player who'll lay on chances for Højlund rather than look to shoot all the time. For me Greenwood is the same sort of player as Rashford or Garnacho. So I wouldn't say he's "exactly" what we need.
However, this is all symantics anyway, as we saw what the media backlash was when it was even suggested that he would play for the club again. The club is looking to make a clean start, new owners, new vision, and a positive push to getting back to the top. The last thing the club needs is a constant negative sideshow giving the media ammunition to destroy any positivity around the club.
While I suspect that is also the last thing Greenwood, his partner and their young child needs as well.
I think it's pretty disingenuous to suggest everyone who would rather not have a player tainted with his reputation as "sheep".
I can assure you as someone who has seen first-hand how abuse of women and girls has a massive detrimental impact on them and those around them. I feel sickened and utterly disgusted by men who abuse women and girls and I don't need the media to tell me what to think.
From the first moment I heard the audio I didn't want Greenwood representing my club again. The idea that I should cheer on such a man is something I cannot stomach, nor should I. That has nothing to do with what the media have said since.
Just because people have a different opinion than you it doesn't make them sheep, anymore than it makes you enlightened. It's just two people with different opinions based on their personality and their experiences.
13 Jun 2024 20:30:05
We live in a world where both every element of our lives can and usually is broadcast to the masses, and also evey element is scrutinised to the nth degree, mostly in a negative manner.
I haven't disputed what he did as been acceptable.
I have previously spoken on here if witnessing DV first hand, I know the effects it can have.
I can't say if MG has turned a corner, his life hasn't been scrutinised whilst he has been away from the UK.
I can say, he has likely apologised to the person who matters, his partner, and they have, by all accounts moved on from the circus.
If he stays, you will be acutely aware of the UK media. They are a pack of Wolves, waiting to attack. Does MG have the bottle for that? Who knows, but all I am saying is if an assessment is made by the club that he stays, our fans should get behind him. We know for sure the away supporters won't.
In terms of is he what we need, he doesn't fanny around, he knows where the goal is and from what we've seen of him, he is capable of being a team player. I would rather Mason on the LW than say Rashford. I would rather Mason on the RW than say Anthony. At times, I would rather Mason on the striker role than Rasmus.
He can play across the front 3, he would be useful to the squad, maybe not as a starter, but definitely useful to see if he has the mental attributes to deal with the abuse he will face.
I admit an apology in public might be a step in the right direction and maybe that will come.
Question. If he publicly apologised hand in hand with his partner and they advised they had moved past it, would you accept this and move on?
14 Jun 2024 10:24:08
Jimbobred, he's a good player and absolutely in terms of ability would be useful. I'd question whether he's exactly what we need, for that he'd have to be guaranteed first choice who massively improves the team.
One of the biggest misconceptions is that everyone deserves a second chance. That's just not true, it's not a right to a second chance it's a privilege earned.
In order to be worthy of a second chance you first need to admit you've done wrong, you then need to humbly and sincerely apologise for that mistake, finally you need to do what you can to make up for that mistake and repair the damage.
If you aren't doing all three then you don't deserve a second chance. It's that simple.
Maybe Greenwood has admitted his mistakes, maybe he has sincerely apologised for his actions and maybe he is doing what he can to repair the damage.
However, without me seeing any evidence of it I can't give him that second chance.
Am I entitled to see that from him? Absolutely not. But if he wants a second chance from the general public he will need to show that he recognises his mistakes, he apologises for them, and he does what he can to repair that damage.
If he doesn't then he can't expect that second chance.
As Ken said there was an opportunity for the club to take control of the story when it first happened, but they bottled it.
If Greenwood came out with the club and made a statement admitting his mistake, apologising for it, and stated he is having therapy and he then became an advocate for domestic abuse victims. And if all of this was sincere then I think things would be very different, and he probably would have been able to play football for us fairly soon afterwards and would have spent the last 2 and a half years playing for us and continuing his Manchester United career.
For whatever reason that didn't happen, and to do so now would come across more as lipservice to brush it under the carpet.
Now too much water has passed under the bridge, and he needs to move on for his and his families sake. I wish them all the best and I truly hope he has/ is getting the help he needs and his partner and child are safe.
Just time to move on, the sad thing is that there wouldn't be anyone arguing that he deserves a second chance at United if he wasn't as talented as he is. Which kind of suggests that talent gives you a free pass in terms of moral fibre.
14 Jun 2024 20:55:25
I still think he will be retained and an extension given to his contract.
Will be play this year, I doubt it. But he will be loaned out to someone and just maybe, the following year he is brought back in.
Time will tell, and also is a very good healer.