Manchester United banter 4

27 Nov 2025 20:09:31
After 3 wins, the RA fans were in full voice, dissing those of us that doubt him. They seem to have gone quiet now.

The jury is out for me. I think we will likely lose to Palace and the same questions will be asked. Poor game management, doubts about player motivation and an obsession with his formation. I remain unconvinced about RA.

When Everton went down to 10 men, I expected immediate changes, possibly 4 at the back, bring on Mount and go for them, but that didn't happen. The same against Grimsby, 2 down and struggling but we continued with the same formation. The phrase 1 trick pony springs to mind.

He's a lovely guy, articulate and looks the part, and I'd love him to be successful, but he just doesn't convince me that he has the depth to deliver. This job and League has arrived too early for him.

We will have some statement wins, we did last year, and beating Liverpool was key this year, but struggling to see of a 10 man Everton team was so poor.

Here we go again.

27 Nov 2025 21:29:03
Here come the "we are only 3 points off top 4" replies.

27 Nov 2025 23:08:27
we are only 3 points off top 4.

28 Nov 2025 05:40:13
Lucky for us Palace played Thursday night, so might help, but let’s face it, we are crap and 1 year in are no better…, apart from spending another quarter of a billion, what we get, Dorgu and Sesko, we still desperately need a striker and wing backs, ok all shout we got Cunha and Mbuemo, but let’s be fair we are well stocked anyway in those positions, so I say it again we won’t outscore the goals we conceded in games, who builds from the front… by the time they start getting service they will have given up too and moved on…shambles.

29 Nov 2025 10:30:53
Then jury never went in for me.

Since Amorim came in I’ve seen us play well twice, Brighton this season, Everton last.

Every other win has been either a tight game where we are playing on the break or against 10 men. There no identity or confidence, and after a year I’d say that’s poor. The consistency is in being poor.

Mbeumo has done well and polish this turd of a system. Bruno, Cuhna, Sesko, LWB, CBs all under performing. Casemiro, Goalkeeper and Amad have been reasonable.

I like Amorim but look forward to him leaving or changing system. Each loss and poor performance is one closer to his last game or an change and the only glimmer of hope!

27 Nov 2025 11:05:21
I will continue to back Amorim, but his game management against Everton was beyond poor.

Six defensive minded players against 10-men is inexcusable. I can't and won't defend that. I hope Wilcox and co have a strong word in his ear - and we should never again have Dalot and Shaw playing together on the left! Ever! And don't get me started on Dorgu. He needs a prolonger peridot in the under-21s to gain some form as his is dire right now.

Yoro and Shaw had way too much possession. Passing was slow and ponderous, crossing was poor and the finishing non-existent. I come back to my previous comparison which is a great chef needs good ingredients. We don't have enough for Amorim to cook an omelette. Mainoo is not one of them and should be sold.

However, Everton was a blessing in disguise. We saw how poor our midfield and wing-back options are. We also lack a back up plan to Sesko (please let Zirkzee go) who I believe would have made a huge difference against Everton.

We remain at least 2 maybe 3 transfer windows away from being a competitive squad. Amorim has to remain in charge during that period. But, to expect top four this season when your centre midfield and wing back options are as bad as ours is laughable.

Keep the faith. and have a great Christmas Eds and all.

27 Nov 2025 12:08:26
What did you expect him to do?

Did you look at the bench?


At the start of the second half he took off Mazraoui and brought on Mount. That's an attacking substitution.

On 58 minutes he took off Casemiro and brought on Mainoo, again a more attacking substitution.

The other sub he made was to take off Dorgu who was having a poor game and replacing him with Dalot. A fairly like for like situation, although you could argue that Dorgu is typically better going forward than Dalot.

The unused options on the bench were Bayindir, Martinez, Malacia, Ugarte, Heaven and Shea Lacey.

A goalkeeper, three defenders, a defensive midfielder and a kid who hasn't made his debut yet.

The only option you could have an argument for is giving Lacey a chance, all the others are defensive options.

While to be fair chasing the game against a physical side like Everton is probably not the time to throw on a young lad like Lacey, who while talented, is fairly lightweight and could easily have got bullied in that game.

So what exactly did you expect him to do differently?

We had key forward players out injured, while the likes of Zirkzee and Mount were either making their first start or being eased back in after injury.

Also we had 25 shots on goal, we had more than enough chances to win that game but we either lacked quality when finishing or Pickford pulled out a great save.

It happens, despite the less than great performance, we'd probably have won that game 6 times out of ten and drawn 3 times given the balance of play. We just had the one time were we lost it.

27 Nov 2025 12:54:06
Shappy,

RA could have brought on Mainoo and Mount for Casemeiro and Dorgu at halg timr and played 4 at the back, with maz and Shaw being RB and LB.

Bruno could have played further up, in a number 10 or even alongside Zirkzee. Throwing Lacey on wouldn't have hurt either. Utd had nothing to lose. only 3 points!

27 Nov 2025 13:09:05
There were plenty of options Shappy - even though for the record I am defending him overall.

Taking a defender off and even giving Shea Lacey a chance would have been an upgrade on the 11 on the pitch.

27 Nov 2025 13:22:37
I would have started Bruno in Cunha's spot and started Mainoo alongside Casemiro. The Dorgu/Amad ploy on the left seemed really odd, especially when Amad and Mbuemo have been building an excellent partnership. The Zirkzee selection didn't work because Zirkzee isn't good enough. So not starting him at all probably would have worked better and bringing in Mount on the left instead.

It wasn't the subs that didn't work it was the starting line up. As Shappy points out there really were no options on the bench which does not augur well for AfCon. Before the self inflicted red card Everton looked the more dangerous team. Despite everything, in the end the loss was attributable to poor finishing 24 shots v 2 indicated total domination.

27 Nov 2025 13:43:27
My post was dumped on Match posts. Amorim did not act quickly enough after the sending off. He kept the same set up when he should have reacted and become more aggressive. Dorgu was terrible. Put Heaven at left CB push Shaw forward but he didn’t. What’s the point of putting Lacey on the bench if he isn’t under consideration?
People don’t like it but their goal came from Bruno being very weak indeed. He is not a CM.
Watch the balls being rolled to players so slowly the receiver had to wait for it to arrive.

Not good enough.
How can we have such little depth, such little option having spent so much? How have we only one CF? No midfield? It’s a disgrace quite honestly and it isn’t all on Amorim. Once we had 4 CF now one and a kid who seems to have taken a step back.
Years ago on here we had a poster “No midfield”, it hasn’t changed and it’s frankly a major embarrassment. Now we have no central midfield, no Striker options, no wing backs. Shambles. Utter shambles.

27 Nov 2025 14:54:08
I would argue we not even got a decent striker when Sesko is fit!
Come on Shappy get real don’t try hide behind the bench, it’s ridiculous, he got zero in game management skills, with the sending off any decent manager would have reacted but ours stayed exactly same game plan, slow ponderous walking football, the only decent combination we had is Amad and Mbuemo, so he changes that, we got ready made better forward false 9 call it what you will in Bruno and probably our best finisher does he push him forward…nope Dorgu who been awful since day one should have been sacrificed soon as the sending off, flat back 4 Mainoo on next to Cass Bruno forward or even if he likes the back 3 so much take of Dorgu and Mazzouri 1 Cb the other 2 who were spare all night cover left and Right put Mainoo and Mount on with Cass that midfield 3 would easily take control of the game, jeez these are all internationals that could have controlled the game and fed Mbuemo, Amad, Bruno, what does our boring as hell naive coach do nothing just as usual like for like substitutions then got audacity to say players don’t follow his instructions….

i wonder why, it’s negative boring football, yes we need more players but if Cass, Mount, Mainoo in midfield and Mbuemo, Amad Bruno up front can’t out score and play Everton we have a more serious problem.

27 Nov 2025 15:41:10
Ah he’s back, we lost.

27 Nov 2025 19:08:41
It’s also an indictment on the club/management that the bench is as lightweight/poor as it is.

27 Nov 2025 19:08:55
Lacey was on the bench as an option, but that doesn't mean throw him to the dogs. I'd imagine the plan was to get him used to being with the first team and maybe give him 10 minutes if the game is safe.

But you can't be throwing him in there when you're a goal down and the opposition are playing rough to keep it that way.

That just isn't the right way to introduce a youngster.

As for those people bemoaning not going to a back four, get over it. Football isn't just 4-4-bloody 2. Every time you complain about the formation you are just highlighting your own ignorance. You're making a damn fool of yourself.

As for not taking Casemiro off sooner? Have you seen our record with and without him this season?

Also only a manager who has zero trust in his system/players makes changes 20 minutes into a game due to something that has happened to the opposition.

Let's be honest do you really think the sending off seriously affected how Everton were going to play? Keep men behind the ball, two banks of four. That was always their plan both before and after the sending off.

We were going to have to break them down regardless.

In the end our managers tactics, and in game management enabled us to have 24 shots and limited Everton to 2.

That's about all you can ask of your manager. The problem doesn't lie with him. It lies with the players who conceded when they really shouldn't have, and because they couldn't hit a cows arse with a banjo.

Our problem was a lack of quality in forward areas, and there were no other options available to the manager. Suck it up. Until we get a stronger squad we will continue to struggle when missing a couple of key players, particularly in forward areas.

{Ed001's Note - why is it not the way to introduce a youngster? It is the exact right time, when they are under pressure to perform and they actually learn something from the experience. All this bollox about only bringing youngsters on when it is safe is why they fail. They need to play when it matters or they gain nothing.}

27 Nov 2025 20:08:00
What I find really telling about the defences of Amorim’s rigidity is that they talk about substitutions and game management as if the system/formation doesn’t exist.

He brought on Mount and Manioo, therefore he took a more attacking approach.

Yes, but within the same system that kept 3 central defenders on against 10 men when we were a goal behind.

As others have said, the obvious tactical change was to go to a back 4. Adding an extra midfielder to help us move the ball around quicker in the final third, or adding an actual striker. Yeah, the only striker on the bench was a young lad, but he might have actually caused their defenders some problems.

The glaring point is that Amorim’s system was working in this specific game. Everton were comfortable. Even being a man down. They just needed to stay compact and defend against crosses. Anyone watching could see that something different was needed, but Amorim kept the same system despite it clearly not working. That’s the point. Not that he didn’t try to make attacking changes. That these changes made zero difference because Everton were able to defend against the system without breaking a sweat.

28 Nov 2025 03:18:32
Bang on Ed.
We can dissect the Everton game until the cows come home, but not throwing Lacey in against 10men when we needed a goal or two was a bad decision. I suspect Lacey would have given more than others on the day!

28 Nov 2025 05:43:44
Youngsters learn more in these games then putting them on for a run out when 5-0 up, not that we will ever be 5-0 up… stop all this trying to defend RA joke, admit it he made a real mess of that game, stop defending the indefensible, you done it with Ole you done it with Ten….

28 Nov 2025 11:29:29
Ed001
Lacey isn’t 15 or 16, he is 18. At that age you think you can score the World Cup winning goal. Arsenal play Dowman at 15 yet we can’t give Lacey 18 time. If we were in a relegation battle I could understand it but what a filip for the kid put on and told go and get us or create a goal.

{Ed001's Note - even if you are in a relegation battle, it is those moments of pressure that shape diamonds. That is why lower league clubs on the verge of going out of business if they drop down can play kids and those kids do well. I hate this overly protective way of dealing with kids, it does not help them at all. Quite the opposite.}

29 Nov 2025 17:28:11
Happy, I agree with a lot of your posts.

But this definitely isn't one of them. ?.

29 Nov 2025 21:28:34
Fowler 18
Giggs 17 against Everton in a 2-0 loss, ironically
Beckham 17
Rooney 16
Owen 17
Scholes 19

If you are good enough you are old enough. Stop with the need protecting claptrap.

27 Nov 2025 07:39:03
{Ed's Note - Ed001 has posted a new article entitled, Liverpool v Nottingham Forest - A Quick Liverpool Perspective

26 Nov 2025 21:54:37
We are actually living in a world where arnie slot could lose his job before Amorim… that would honestly have been inconceivable a few months back, but as time goes by it’s starting to look like a real possibility. Absolutely mad but it really wouldn’t surprise me, they have been awful! “Footballs a funny old game” never was a truer word said!

26 Nov 2025 22:35:09
It's not could, it's will. Slot will be sacked before Amorim. Sir Jim was very clear that Amorim will see out this season at least. There is little chance Slot will be employed at Christmas at this rate.

26 Nov 2025 22:38:25
Bit like the chuckle brothers one as bad as the other at the minute only thing I'd say is slot is probably worse considering he is working with some of the best players in the league.

26 Nov 2025 23:34:33
Just one of those things at the moment, Liverpool for obvious reasons have higher expectations and standards than us at the moment.

That combined with the fact we have tried sacking managers over and over again means we are more inclined to stick with a failing manager and hope he comes good.

Lets just hope they picked the right guy, i have my doubts.

26 Nov 2025 23:43:34
I think the difference is this.
United's problems are player related, as in, they are not mentally strong enough, nor have the burning hunger and desire to succeed at a club like united or Liverpool, Amorim has these attributes in abundance and will see his tenure through and beyond as he weeds out the weak and builds a coherent team that churns out results.


Liverpool's problems are manager related. Slot has lost his dressing room and because he missed a beat releasing players like VVD and Salah during the summer, their player power is greater than Slots amongst the squad. He is destined to fail, we are watching what united were the last few years.

27 Nov 2025 07:11:52
You think that the players are really backing Amorin then or they just going through the motions the latter is my view
I seem to remember you wanting to have Zirkee as our striker this year! Problem is RA bought one in Sesko who is not great either, to go along with Dorgu who is useless.


RA was as much to blame for debacle against Everton as the players were.
Both managers are on par with each other, both should be on Rachel’s Benefits street.

27 Nov 2025 08:39:32
Je Suis (Maze login #77),
Yes I do believe that most of the players are playing for Amorim. There are some that are clearly falling away, and I suspect in a few more weeks, we will start to know which ones will be pushed out the door.

Yes I wanted Zirkzee to feed Cunha and Mbeumo, I think that would work very well.
But we didn't play those 3 did we, we played the ever useless Amad because Cunha is injured.
I'm not really sure the relevance of that point in your response though, but your usually posts are more often than not without substance.

27 Nov 2025 10:55:59
I see both sides, but the Everton defeat is squarely on RA’s shoulders. I think he got his team selection wrong, didn’t react to the red card, and his substitutions were baffling.

27 Nov 2025 15:05:21
Ever useless Amad, he seemed to me the only one actually having a go and been that way all season, in fact he played RWB reasonably well even though I said all along this position don’t suit him, plus he built a good relationship with Mbuemo what does our useless manager do…he breaks that up….
Zirkee would be useless in EPL if he was even feeding Kane and Halaand… he is 6 foot of weakness, too slow too weak misplaces so many passes and got no idea or ever got up to the speed of the EPL
RA was at fault terribly in this game and to then come out and say he needs to talk players through the game, tells me after a year then his coaching is useless too.
Terrible manager full stop….

I have not heard one professional past or present who don’t think RA really messed that game up…. it won’t go on much longer, the noises that the club backs him is just that Noise, not a cat in hells chance they mean it…. sooner he gone the better…. he clearly just wants robots to do it one way and not deviate… if you don’t your gone if you have any flair or take gambles your gone… he wants robots to play a system that is clearly not working after a whole year of coaching, that says more about the coaching then anything else, if you like certain players or not most are internationals and much better than what they are serving up under this manager…….

27 Nov 2025 18:01:09
We have been getting better under Amorim than any other manager we have had post Fergie. He is actually ridding the club of all the dross that the previous managers had assembled.
I called for the entire squad to be ripped to pieces at the start and get rid of half the players still on the teamsheet because they would keep doing what was served up against Everton and Forest and Spurs. Mentally weak, no desire, no hunger. They need to go, and hopefully January is now accelerating that process for most of them.

Zirkzee needs game time, however after his showing against Everton, he proved he does not have the desire or hunger to cement a place when provided an opportunity, so for me, he can also go.

27 Nov 2025 18:03:40
Watch the game again and only watch Amad, you will see what I see. He is turning into Bruno, trying to do it all himself, throwing his arms in the air, but he isn't even half the players Bruno is, he can also go to be honest.

Someone who throws their arms in the air instead of chasing down and getting the ball back is too weak for united.

28 Nov 2025 05:47:09
Not quite correct, we won more and come 2nd under Jose
We come 2nd under Ole
Even Van Gaal won a cup and finished higher
Now we win nothing play terrible slow football lowly league position too
If this is getting better I really don’t want to see what getting worse is like.


We moved on our assets for next to nothing
We can only play one way after a year of coaching!

28 Nov 2025 15:33:34
You just don't see it because you choose not to. It gives you a position to be negative and you are only here when we lose. Did you go on holiday when we won? Or were you planning your next login.
Pathetic.

29 Nov 2025 05:35:37
Take a look I was here after every win too, problem is you think every poster including me is Maze so your distorted by your affections for Maze you and GDS are both the same in fact it’s so extreme it’s concerning. bit like your love of Amorim and Zirkee.

26 Nov 2025 07:39:03
{Ed's Note - Ed001 has posted a new article entitled, Matchday 12 - Quick Round Up

25 Nov 2025 19:17:17
The most frustrating thinking l saw, was the lack of attacking to get to end line and cross in behind the defence Amad tried a few times and did put in lots of crosses but the were all in front of their defenders from 20 yards out making it easy for their defenders to come and attack. Pickford made 2 very good saves.

I agree, we should have upped the tempo from the 1st minute, at home, chance to go fourth, where is the passionate drive. We should have changed the seems up when they went to 10 men. 2 at the back marking their CF, fill the midfield and press with a high tempo and aggression. Very disappointed to say the least.

25 Nov 2025 17:22:53
Even though I've been critical of the initial team selection with Amad and Dorgu both playing on the left, and Zirkzee starting, last night's loss had little to do with formation. The fact is we created plenty chances to win. We had 24 shots. Two or three excellent saves by Pickford. De Ligt scuffed a golden opportunity. Zirkzee missed 3 headers, 2 of which were very good chances.

The reason we ended up losing was poor execution. Lammens had one shot to save. Yes, there was a deflection which wrong footed him, but that was still a shot that might have been saved. We lost because no one, including the manager, reached the required standard to win an EPL game against a modest 10 man team.

25 Nov 2025 20:13:01
When we come up against well drilled sides like Everton we never have the quality or composure to break them down. Been like this for a long time.

And last night was truly grim watching we could have played for a week and not scored. Who knows we’d miss Sesko and Cunha so much….

{Ed025's Note - you are bound to miss players of that quality Eric, but thats when other players have to step up to the plate and prove that they are good enough to warrant a shirt, that never happened last night mate..

26 Nov 2025 09:10:09
Exactly Ed.

26 Nov 2025 09:29:06
Totally agree Ed. The drop off in quality was stark.

26 Nov 2025 16:26:51
It rarely happens though look at City with 3 times our squad, Rodri out and they were dire. It’s hard to know how he can motive them when half the team (leaders) are in their last year due to age and ability. There is no penalty for failure as we’ve no one to replace them with. It’s literally one of the best paid custiest jobs in football and likely to continue if they can just move Amorim on.

So frustrating seeing all the fans asking for a new manager but with the proviso that we must give the new manager 3 or 4 players including a midfield. Exactly what the current manager needs. Very reluctant to back the leadership team over yet another manager despite Mondays result. It’s still 1 loss in 6 at a stretch.

25 Nov 2025 16:12:52
Damn, sent to early.

As I was saying, unbelievably, 20 years have passed since Georgie left us. How we could of done with him last night! He would of been ghosting past player's as if they weren't there.

Have mentioned before that I met him in the mid eighties and got quite friendly for a while. One thing I remember him saying on more than one occasion was that he wanted to see entertainment and skilled individuality. Sadly he would not of enjoyed last night very much.

Anyway, hope you are having some good kickarounds wherever you are! Quite a few opponents of your time are now with you.

R. I. P. Georgie, they certainly broke the mould after you.

25 Nov 2025 21:28:19
My wee country’s greatest export and a true giant of the game. Doesn’t get as much recognition as pele, Maradona etc maybe because playing for Northern Ireland didn’t get him the international accolades. Those that know football though, they know Georgie was a great…and for northern Irish folk like me he was ‘simply the best’.

25 Nov 2025 23:39:55
He was better than Pele and Maradona. Pele played predominantly in and around the box. George played all over midfield and attack and the Northern Ireland teams he played with were poor as often were the pitches he played on.

25 Nov 2025 23:50:47
He was a genius, end of.

Think he never had the recognition, as you mention Tim, because of the lack of International exposure, also the fact he finished at the age of 27, although he made comebacks he was never the same again.

Must not forget his lifestyle choices as well, he was pretty much on the front pages of the newspapers constantly, the press made his life very difficult, but he did not help himself with his ''fondness'' for women and booze. Mind you he made it clear to me more than once that he did not regret the choices he made. Back then players did not have the teams of advisors and protectors taking care of them and sheltering them from themselves so it was pretty much negativity towards him most of the time.

All of that being said, watching him play, when he was on his game, was a pure joy.

25 Nov 2025 15:44:45
To somewhat change the conversation of the day.

Today is the 20th anniversary of the passing of the truly great and legend that was George Best, can't believe.

25 Nov 2025 13:20:24
Last night is exactly why I wasn’t gloating over Liverpool’s decline. They’re struggling, but we are not on an upwards trajectory.

The system seems to be entirely focused on exploiting a high press. If teams push up and attack, we can score on the break. However, against a deep sitting team, we have nothing.

Last night was the familiar pattern of shifting the ball from side to side, and looking to cross into the box. The problem is that there are never enough players looking to get on the end of crosses. It’s rinse and repeat with no other ideas.

Let’s be honest, the ref gave us a huge advantage, and we still didn’t even cause Everton problems. All they had to do was stay compact. No great strategy or plan to stifle us because we’re just that easy to play against.

As for Amorim, last night showed all the, “the system is adaptable, ” arguments for the nonsense it is. Despite having an extra man and needing to score, he refused to try anything different. Not an extra body in midfield. Not bringing on the young lad to play as an actual striker. Nothing. Just tottering up the pitch to play the ball slowly around their box.

All the same issues remain. Every team should know how to win against us, and I still don’t see anyway that this rigid system gets us close to competing,

25 Nov 2025 15:13:28
I think the ball coming in from the wingbacks on either side was appalling. against teams that sit in you need a lot more quality of final ball and passing.

25 Nov 2025 15:51:18
I don’t get all these system comments we changed just about everything we could in the 2nd half (have you seen our bench) unless you believe Lacy was the saviour we needed. If anything we’d too many players upfront for the last 25 mins. Just zero quality. We needed 9 players end of last season we got 3 and 2 are injured. Dereliction of duty from Ineos.

We are a very poor side any manager/formation. The big problem is where is the money coming from cause with the bench we have and not every signing always working out we still need 9 players and more. The entire senior leadership team (Bruno etc) need to be gone in the summer. Not one of them has anything of value for the future of the club.

25 Nov 2025 16:39:48
Such a typical performance for this squad. You think they've turned a corner and then fall straight back into old habits. I thought Shaw and Dalot were very poor. The midfield was terrible, it lacks legs, it lacks bite in the tackle and we just can't break teams down when they play that low block so got pushed to the wide channels. Bruno was to blame for the goal, the most half arsed attempt to tackle and just let him run and shoot. Yet again stupid longshots from outside the box rather than looking for the pass. 25 shots on goal, only 6 shots on target.

The fact there wasn't a striker on the bench is concerning, we were always a Sesko injury away from having a problem.

25 Nov 2025 16:54:24
The manager had the opportunity to play with a back 4, add an extra body in midfield, play Bruno higher, or even bring on a striker. He did none of this, and stuck with a back 3 because it’s the system. Bringing on Dalot in a like for like change illustrated this.

We needed something different, that either gave more scoring threat in the box or more penetration through the middle. Amorim simply won’t change the overarching system, even when it clearly isn’t working.

25 Nov 2025 17:34:06
There wasn’t just a lack of creativity, whenever the ball was out wide with Amad or Mbuemo, all the attacking players were stood stock still in the box just waiting for some magic. No runs, no offers for 1-2 basically just mannequins occupying space to perhaps get on the end of a cross or loose ball from a shot.

{Ed025's Note - i agree Fuser..

25 Nov 2025 18:18:59
I can be honest I dislike 5 at the back. It’s a waste of players and skews defensive.

I will be forever Amorim out as consequence. So I’m fairly biased.

5 at the back at home against 10 man Everton? Well dressed, nice hair, self critical charm and a bit of charisma goes a long way apparently.

41% win rate, is pathetic. It needs saying. Amorim has opportunities to try different formations and chooses not to. He rejects youth and reduces Bruno’s impact, (play your best player close to goal further away from the goal ?), all to accommodate his system, that is clearly not working.

At some point people will realise the club have compromised values and identity while backing a manager with money and selling academy graduates. All for a “system”.

This is Ragnick levels of dross - another canny chatter.

Emperors new clothes. We beat a poor Liverpool, followed by a good performance against Brighton but then a slow tail off to here with spots of positivity or resilience.

He’s a nice fella but it’s not good enough and he should go. Liverpool are ready to sack an EPL winning manager, we’re persisting with this.

I’d genuinely say a caretaker manager would achieve a higher win rate.