26 May 2025 11:20:37
Rogers actually kicks through Bayındır's hand which is a "foul". All the emphasis is on whether Bayındır had control of the ball at the time which is irrelevant if Roger's has kicked through the keeper's hand to get to the ball.
It was technically a foul. Let's move on as we've had plenty go against us this season but this seems to have dominated the whole weekend as it appears to have gone in our favour. No other club gets the same scrutiny on decisions. Should have been about 6/ 7 to nil anyway but for inept finishing.
{Ed025's Note - take the red specs off Supasub, Bayindir never had control of the ball because his hands were not in contact with the ball mate, Rodgers had every right to go for that and it was a very poor decision by the ref, you did deserve to win of course but lets not just make things up..
26 May 2025 12:09:20
A goalkeeper is considered to be in control of the ball with the hand (s) when: the ball is between the hands or between the hand and any surface (e. g. ground, own body) or by touching it with any part of the hands or arms except if the ball rebounds from the goalkeeper or the goalkeeper has made a save.
It was between both hands and the floor. I agree he wasn't in full control and striker should get the backing but you can understand why the ref blew.
26 May 2025 12:17:49
You can certainly understand why they were and are annoyed, it’s huge ramifications because a poor decision, and in this day and age that should not happen……. We would be fuming if that had happened and we missed out on qualification, so every reason the moaning is justified, why does everyone just think with the red specs on, it’s a poor decision whatever way you look at it, unless through red specs of course.
{Ed025's Note - im with you GSC, and them not qualifying for the CL has cost them £100m it seems...ouch..
26 May 2025 12:33:42
Yeah but maybe villa should worry more about their goalkeepers shoulder charge and they quickly forget how they benfitted from faulty goal line technology to keep them from relegation.
26 May 2025 12:34:52
It should not happen in 2025 no way…… and can’t be allowed to happen again, but probably will in one scenario or another, but to suggest blown out of proportion because United is ridiculous there would be and should be the same outcry whatever teams on the pitch, that’s an 100 million pound mistake, that’s scandalous, ok we won’t know if it would have changed the result, but that’s not important.
26 May 2025 12:39:32
Yes ed. Didn't say Togers didn't have a right to go for it. He plays the hand 1st (kicking though the keepers hand) . That us a foul and I can see why a foul was given. Same reason you can't impede a keepers hand if he's going up to catch/ claim a ball for a corner. Even though we've had one of those given against us, Arsenal game?
26 May 2025 12:48:40
Yeah it was a good goal.
But I don't think it cost them the game, they had been quite rubbish and I think we would have scored.
26 May 2025 13:01:31
I know your probably desperate for a negative result German but the law say (make of it what you will) :
A goalkeeper is considered to be in control of the ball with the hand (s) when:
the ball is between the hands or between the hand and any surface (e. g. ground, own body) or by touching it with any part of the hands or arms except if the ball rebounds from the goalkeeper or the goalkeeper has made a save
holding the ball in the outstretched open hand
bouncing it on the ground or throwing it in the air
A goalkeeper cannot be challenged by an opponent when in control of the ball with the hand (s) .
According to that the keeper always had control of the ball. And if Roger's didn't kick through the keepers hand he definately steps on his hand 1st which is a foul. Am I the only insane person who thinks that this call may have been right anyway? I can see how this was given but youve now got pundits and media giving their opinion without checking the laws. Cost them £100 million? Ifs and maybes. The fact their keeper was rightly sent off, Villa were awful and mustered about 1 shot on goal. I beg to differ.
26 May 2025 13:12:47
It was one of those decisions that is in the grey area.
The FA don't make life easy for Ref's when they write rules that are subjective and open to interpretation. How a Ref is supposed to remember all the fine details of every rule of the game and make a decision in the space of a few seconds with often a less than perfect view of the incident (certainly not as good as we get on TV), it is understandable that they will make mistakes and their decisions which are subjective are then equally open to discussion.
Was he fully in control of the ball? No.
Does he have to be fully in control of the ball for it to be a foul? Also no.
Was he in enough control of it for it to be deemed a foul? That's open to opinion.
While the suggestion that Rogers first made contact with Bayindir's hand rather than the ball making that a foul is also hard to ascertain even with video footage. And utterly impossible for the Ref to see in real time.
I have a lot of sympathy for the Ref in this situation as he's being hung out to dry and I don't think he's entirely at fault in this situation. The only thing he could and maybe should have done differently is wait a few more seconds before blowing his whistle. That time would have allowed Rogers to round the keeper and potentially score, at which point VAR could review it and decide whether it should count or not.
Of course there is no guarantee that had the Ref not blown the whistle that Rogers would have scored. There was a covering defender who could have cleared off the line, he could have missed or had a bad touch.
The way the media has kicked up a stink you'd think that a perfectly legitimate goal had been knocked off. At best Villa were denied a goal scoring chance.
I'm sure if you reviewed every single decision in every single match then you'll find dozens of times where every single club in the league have both benefited from and suffered from poor/ wrong refereeing decisions.
For the most part it balances itself out across the season.
26 May 2025 13:24:31
It's balanced out anyway, why should we be the only team that a Man Utd goalkeeper stopped us making the Champions League and an extra £100m, nice see Bayndir at least doing it to an opposing team and not our own.
26 May 2025 16:50:32
As someone said on another site. They were still in Europe after the decision ( they happen nearly every other game) the fact they went down to 10 men shyte the bed and let two goals in had nothing to do with the ref. Deflection of the highest order. Not one mention of the fact we played well.
Promising game really looking forward to next season.