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04 Feb 2025 11:19:36
I'm quite happy with the way things are going under Amorim:

Some encouraging new signings of young players with excellent potential.

Improvements in some existing players like Bruno, Amad and Ugarte.

Rashford and Antony moved on.

I'll remind everyone that RA has been the coach for just 85 days.

As long as Utd avoid relegation then I think the team is moving in the right direction.

There are already some excellent players in the squad. I think with the continued clear out of the players we know aren't up to it (and never have been), a few shrewd signings and a few youngsters stepping up, Utd will be well on their way.

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04 Feb 2025 12:32:38
I think you are correct MancMan but I think we needed to get a forward in this window. Even if a short term loan, we had to get someone. I'm talking the likes of Callum Wilson. A pro that will help Hojlund. We were already struggling for goals and the only way we'll improve is if Dorgu at LWB means we are significantly better attacking wise. That, to my mind, is far too much expectation to put on him.

However, on the positives: the only chance for the club to be successful in a meaningful way again is to move on some of the extremely poor purchases and those that haven't shown the required work ethic. We currently have Rashford, Antony and Sancho on loan. The combined cost was around 150M. We will recoup 65M + Antony fee in the summer - hopefully that'll mean around 100M total. So it's no wonder we're weak in the forward division, but financially we should be in a decent position this summer, especially when accounting for the salaries. I just hope we get there without too much damage being done.

04 Feb 2025 13:49:33
How far we have fallen if we are having to use phrases like "as long we avoid relegation"

04 Feb 2025 14:18:35
As long as Utd avoid relegation then I think the team is moving in the right direction.
The club works on numbers and not on daft statements like this. It needs revenue which moslty comes from qualifying into Europe. without CL the club will struggle to attract top players.

04 Feb 2025 14:31:11
You see us getting £65m+ for Antony?

04 Feb 2025 14:48:36
Mancman, can you give me the name of your dealer?

04 Feb 2025 18:11:17
I totally agree with a lot of that.
I'm quite surprised our fans are a ignorant as some of them appear to be regarding our ability to spend this window.
We can afford to buy players the funds are there.
We cannot afford to do so this window due to adherence to psr and other financial rules.
The new part owner and team have made some mistakes as we knew they would.
I think we will see 4 starting 11 players come in next summer.
A rwb cm 10 striker and bodily a keeper if we can.
We will be in a much better position to shift players in the summer with their book value reduced by a year like casimero and onana both of whom will not produce a loss on the books if we sell them next summer but if we had this winter they would have produced a loss. Even giving ericksen and lindelof away this winter would have produced a loss whereas them leaving for free in the summer won't be a loss.
Before we throw our toys out of the prem look at the reasons and rationale.
All I know for sure is that we did sign 2 players very highly coveted by people that should know.
This season will be painful unless we get 2 decent cup runs but pertains while I'm disappointed that we are not doing better right now I'm very confidant that RA will get it right. He took over a horrible squad and a horrible culture.
You all wanted half's open heart surgery. No heart transplant patient recovers in days or weeks. It takes time. It's often wise before it's better.
We have a leader that I'd follow over the hill without asking questions. Those that stop and ask too many questions should get thrown out of the trench.
In 18 months time we will start the season with the hope and possibility of competing to win.
I'm quite comfortable being uncomfortable at this moment in time. While recognising that we should be doing better than we are particularly at home.

04 Feb 2025 18:24:27
I’m with Mancman on this one.

We have been dogsh*t for a decade or more. We have all known for years that this squad needs a manager with a vision, a style of play and the backing of footballing people in the positions above him. Player power, thinking they are better than they are and being massively overpaid has lead us to this point.

I will happily back Amorim over any of the players not brought in during his tenure. He is a young, successful and well thought of manager. He has a style which he is unwilling to change for the useless players he currently has to fill the various positions which is the correct decision.

If he changes things, results may improve slightly short term but longer term we won’t be any better off. We need to see who can and can’t adapt to his system and get rid of anyone who can’t, not paper over it for now and learn nothing.

We won’t be relegated playing the formation we are, but neither will we get close to top four if he changes his formation so there is no real point in doing so if he has the backing from above. It is short term pain with the hope of long term gains.

Getting Antony, Rashford etc out of the club is a start. Hopefully permanently in the summer. Follow those with Casemiro, Lindelof, Shaw, Evans, Malacia, Dalot, Eriksen, Mount and maybe Onana over the next few windows and get some improved young and experienced replacements in and this time next year we should be on the up rather than feeling the pain we currently are.

Give in to pressure again and again and we will continue this spiral until we do actually get relegated one day.

04 Feb 2025 18:47:07
Spenno I think if you re-read it you'll see I'm imagining we can get up to 35M for Antony. The 65M was made up of the Sancho + Rashford fees.

04 Feb 2025 19:01:45
AJH, ask for Dave ;-)

Donred, I agree but if the right player isn't available then the club just have to wait. I don't think Callum Wilson is the answer.

Equalizer; what are you talking about Europe for? With all the changes taking place, this team just needs to keep it's head above water until everything settles down. I don't think you appreciate how hard it is to achieve excellence in an ever changing environment.

Plus Utd have tried signing 'top' players and it didn't work. Going forward the club needs to sign the right players who will engage with what Amorim and the club are trying to achieve and want to be part of it. And besides, this is MANCHESTER UNITED we are talking about even though the team is 13th in the table.

04 Feb 2025 19:07:24
Tumbleweed, Eriksen came in on a free and has zero book value, Lindelof is on a one year extension and also has no book value. If someone had been interested in them and the club was interested, any sale or loan could have yielded a profit or reduced our expenditure by saving their wages. Casemiro will cost us a year's amortization and his wages, about £30m combined in his final year. A sale could produce a loss, but at least it would reduce our expenses. No one semi interested in taking him off our hands. We can but hope. Onana's contract still has 3 years to run after this and his unamortized cost will £28m. There's no guarantee we can make. profit or even over the costs on either.

I'm also prepared to give RA some time to acquire the players to implement the style of football he wants to play. There's no point in failing to train every player in the team towards that end now. This season is a right off. Finish 15th or 9th what's the difference. The preparations must go on.

04 Feb 2025 19:35:35
Double raid on Sporting in summer for Gyo and Quenda and we’ll look much better.
Only position I am drawing blanks on is a CM to steer this ship. Maybe Arsenal have a kid we can nick for the hat trick :D.

04 Feb 2025 20:08:48
Spenno I agree.

Shawthing if we gave them away we would have had to pay them off hence the loss on both ericksen and lindelof. They're is also the associated costs which could have gone over the 3m bracket for each total loss.
Cas will only have a year left you don't amortise wages as i suspect you know so if sold for 13.5m we break even and onana likewise the figure i have us 19m book value at end of season. The facts are we couldn't just get rid.
We are sailing so close to a points deduction. We could not buy much or pay loan fees this winter.

04 Feb 2025 20:09:43
With Tumble. This is the manager to get behind, we have needed the open heart surgery since before SAF announced his retirement. There was no vision or planning at the club, just stick Moyes in the hope it would just continue. Sheer incompetence and yes I did say it at the time.

Ralf told us what was needed but they got rid of him.

No one dared take on Rashford, the emotional nonsense put out there. Until now.

Now you can see the culture is changing and RA will set it, demand it.

This is the manager to stand behind for me.

04 Feb 2025 20:23:59
I think we have to be prepared that it's going to take a long time to turn us around, we have to get our spending back under control, stop blowing huge fees and wages on crap, start picking up pieces for Amorims team.

It's going to take a couple of years on the finances alone simply because of our performance over the last three years in terms of PSR.

We won't like it but this isn't a quick fix. We aren't going to be bringing in many finished products we are going to be chasing players with room to grow into the players Amorims needs.

We spent financially in the position to rebuild quick with finished articles in each position we need.

I know some people won't like it. I think we will see some of the young players we bought in begin tonstepbupnover the next 18 mo the as Amorim bloods them because we don't have a lot of choice.

I am not even expecting a big summer because I think the finances meed properly getting on top of and the poor squad building over the last few years hasn't given us a solid foundation at all. I don't think we are in a position to add a few pieces and step up, I think it's closer to largely ripping up this squad and starting over. I believe e Berrada's 2028 for a challenge target will be closer to 2030.

04 Feb 2025 21:11:33
The aim is the Europa League, end of story. The league and the FA cup are a distraction, for this season.

04 Feb 2025 22:26:34
Agree with Jim, while we have looked like crap in the league, Europe we have been fairly decent and has to be our priority for the remainder of the season.

While we all hope that performances would have improved under Amorim in the league, it just shows that the issues lie deep at United and will take time to fix.

05 Feb 2025 00:32:58
It's all that really matters this season. I'm not sure we've been good in Europe but we've found a way to win. There are some good teams left least if all gala who we could face in the round of 16.
Winning it would be huge for us at this stage of our rebuild and could accelerate our process dramatically.
An fa cup run is always good fun and provides a route into Europe so not to be sniffed at but there are better teams in the fa cup than the europa league.

05 Feb 2025 05:09:15
our season will most likely be over by end of march unless we get a luck of a draw in the cup competitions given how we are playing. Personally was not too bothered we did not do more in the window and kind of expected it.

We are clearing the deck and going to change a ton of things. People are blaming the players for our poor showing and some of it is true and getting their wish of seeing players go now and a lot more come summer.

On current form players like Mainoo, Garna, Hoiland, Zirksee should all get sold, For every one decent game they have then they have 4 or 5 poor games, there is something clearly not working. Its not even that they are not trying its more like teams know exactly what to do to nullify what we are trying to do and hence they all look lost and incompetent and very average and losing market value.

We will probably add 5 players this summer at the minimum, a full preseason, almost a year on the job and then no scapegoating and need to see results. I am personally a skeptic and don't think he will make it. Not because he is bad guy or a bad manager, I actually like his honesty and how he talks but because the pl and his lack of experience, flexibility and ability to make adjustments will cost him his job.

The club is clearly banking on buying young players from anywhere but the pl at a reasonable cost with the exception of a few that can be moved on if they are a bust without losing your shirt.

It remains to be seen if it will be a successful strategy. I am a big believer in what Fergie used to do buy some of the the best players from the league and sprinkle a few squad players in there from outside.

05 Feb 2025 06:22:38
We have long been treated to the joy of the rebuild narrative, but I suspect many have been happy to leave our heads in the sand when the initial stages trigger the inevitable and wholly unavoidable dearth.

Like any restructuring process, the breakdown must always be followed by the shakedown which will almost certainly bring about a short-term kerfuffle.

We are in the midst of the shakedown - this is our bitter, but absolutely essential, kerfuffle.

05 Feb 2025 07:31:21
It’s just Operation Flotsam for summer for me. Don’t see the younger players going just because they’re not in form right now, maybe Zirkzee as it’s obviously a bad fit. But once Eriksen, Casemiro, Evans, Linelof have gone, and hopefully Chelsea/ Villa sign Sancho and Rashford, that’s a massive upheaval without really touching the current first team.

05 Feb 2025 13:47:50
Spenno

Chelsea have an obligation to sign sancho. There is no grey area in that loan. The higher they finish the higher the obligation.

05 Feb 2025 15:54:55
That's not true ahmad.
There is no obligation to buy if they finish below a certain position.
That's very unlikely but it's the grey area.
Devil is in the detail.

05 Feb 2025 17:18:43
Tumble. we are contractually committed to paying Casmiro his wages until the end of next year. Let's say £15m. If we bought him for £60m over 4 years., we're writing that off at £15m per year. Hence we are committed to £30m expense next year. Of course, that will be reduced by anything we can get for him. If someone gave us £15m and this summer we will basically break even on the deal. If they don;t pay al of his wages we may still have to eat some cost.

05 Feb 2025 17:19:36
Let’s face it, they won’t finish below 14th. They’re not United ?.

Therefore, that’s one problem/ expensive wage player gone. Rashford, Antony and Casemiro next!

06 Feb 2025 04:58:18
I knew that and dismissed it as its not plausible at this stage anymore. it really about whether they get top 4/ 5/ 6 imo. Can't see forrest staying where they are and chelsea are cl bound imo.





 

 

 
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