26 Jun 2022 04:31:23
At the begaining of last season, when we had signed Ronaldo and Varane and the players available on roster, most of us had hoped for trophies in anyways. Since than there is disastrous performance, managerial change, loss of dressing room all happened. So players wise what has changed? Pogba, Matic, Mata, lingard, Cavani left. Of them only Pogba was regular, others are hardly getting minutes.
So considering this, i will say Pogba ( regular) left, VDB (regular under eth) came, Matic Squad player can be replaced by Garner squad player. There are no other genuine talk of players linked for sales. Squad options are mostly still same.
For Mata and Lingard: there are Amad, Pelestri, Granacho, Elanga to fill in.
For Cavani sub role there is Martial ( not prefered, no one want to take) . Defensive options are also same, no one has left.
So logically, what we need is upgrade on McTominey or Fred, another Striker as must improve position for now. Others may get chance in pre season before ETH want to move them on at any cost.
And that's why I guess club has not done much although we may want drastic changes. Specially after comments for Rangnic when he said 10 new players may come.
Ideally, it's 1 CM and 1 Striker for improvement, others are totally depending on sale only, so I guess all should wait for sale announcement first rather incomings in other position.
26 Jun 2022 06:44:07
Yes that's the Glazer way of thinking things.
26 Jun 2022 07:13:47
Radio, fair assessment of how Glazers run the club and that's why Rangnick jumped ship, and that's why we'll be 30 points behind the Champions again and 10 points behind 4th spot.
I actually think defensive midfielder, central midfielder and an a centre forward is what we need.
26 Jun 2022 09:41:25
Rohan : Glazer way of thinking: ok.
Glazer way of thinking "things". not ok.
When you write "things". means i am thinking that way.
I am just assessing, why there is still so dull of a window. After last season and for few players, i want them replaced asap, in bulk. But we all know, it won't happen.
And even though stories of ETH want players in before pre-season, won't affect what club always do. For think tanks. Not much is needed. For us. there is plenty missing.
26 Jun 2022 10:03:46
We need a Right back absolutely desperately. Two we have are garbage.
26 Jun 2022 10:22:02
Rodio, I said something similar the other day.
Basically with Matic and Pogba leaving we are short in midfield, while with Cavani, Mata and Lingard leaving we are short up top.
Those are the priorities. Most likely FDJ and Antony.
We could do with a better CB, but currently we have Varane, Maguire, Lindelof, Jones, Bailly, Tuanzebe, Mengi and Bernard.
We can't sign a 9th CB until a few more leave.
Same issue at full back, with AWB, Dalot, Shaw, Telles, Williams, Laird and Fernandez. Seven players for two positions.
We can't sign an 8th full back unless others leave.
I think we will see something like 70m on De Jong and 60m on Antony and a few million spent on Bachmann. That is our summer budget spent up.
Other additions probably depend on player sales both to raise funds and to create space in the squad. The issue is who could we sell?
Henderson has left on loan so won't be bringing in any funds.
Does anyone have a space in their physio room for one of Jones, Bailly or Tunazebe? To be honest given their injury record and their wages I think we would be lucky to get 30m for all three combined.
AWB could be sold for 25-30m if we can find a buyer, but that will be tough. While if we did sell him we would probably need to spend most if not all of what we get on a replacement. So he wouldn't raise funds for a purchase elsewhere in the squad.
We could probably get a similar amount for Martial if anyone would be crazy enough to buy him. I'd be tempted to approach Lyon to see if we can do some sort of a swap deal with Moussa Dembele who is entering his final year of his contract. We might need to send some money their way or pay off a part of Martial's contract as he won't get the same wages in France. However, that would get a high wage and problem player out of the club and bring in a suitable replacement in one fell swoop. However, that's far to sensible for our club.
Beyond that we could get 10-15m at most for Andreas Pereira, maybe a similar amount for Alex Telles. If we sell Telles though we will need to find a replacement LB most likely. While they would likely cost more than the 15m we might get for him.
Which means if we sell AWB, Telles or Martial we will need to sign a replacement in the squad in those positions. Which will likely cost as much if not more than we get from selling them.
If we can sell Tuanzebe, Jones, Bailly and Andreas Pereira we might be able to raise around 40-45m to spend on a new CB. Which from rumours seems to be the price bracket we are looking at.
It's definitely a tricky window and we need to be careful not to over commit or over spend as the margins are fine. We can't afford to be signing players for lower priority positions without first getting some players off the books to both raise funds and create space in the squad.
26 Jun 2022 10:38:04
Rodio - appreciate the sentiment re minimal change but we need much more. Sure it was our expectation with signing Ronaldo, Varane, Sancho that we’d be challenging. But that team produced our worst ever in the premier league era. If you work on the basis we need two quality players for each position we are lightyears behind City and Liverpool who’ve already started improving their squads.
To compete we need at least: RB, CB, DM, CM, RW, CF.
With the quality we need that could be £400m which just ain’t going to happen with the Glazers.
More likely we will get De Jong and Antony and increasingly I think that will be it. De Jong because Barcelona need to sell and Antony because he wants to follow his former manager.
The rest will be left to Ten Hag needing to coach what he has and bring through the youth. As each day passes I’m more and more convinced that Ten Hag has been told there’s only ever going to be c £100m a season for new recruits plus whatever we can get through players. We look so committed to the pursuit of De Jong as Ten Hag’s not seen anyone else suitable for him to build a team around and he knows his quality and that he can work to ETH methodologies.
We do need many more players than what you suggest but we won’t be buying them from elsewhere anytime soon.
26 Jun 2022 11:14:32
Halesini, I'm pretty convinced that if we don't get FDJ then it will be Ruben Neves from Wolves.
26 Jun 2022 11:15:01
Shappy - Some of our players start pre season training tomorrow and the Club has bought and sold nobody.
We are on our 4th re build in 10 years and murmurs around the Club suggest they have hired a coach to get the best out of what we’ve already got. EtH in his opening press conference said numerous times this squad finished second only 12 months ago and has potential. The warning bells ringing before a ball has even been kicked.
By Manchester United standards this team is crap, we finished last season with our lowest points total in premier league history and a zero goal difference. Let’s not forget the toxic dressing room culture, in fighting and constant leaks to the press. Some of those players still remain at the Club. There is a saying in football that you’re only as good as your last game yet the Club and EtH want to conveniently ignore the last 12 months. I understand EtH needs to get the players on board and convey positivity but in my opinion there were better ways than referencing a second place finish over 12 months ago with no fans in the ground.
Swathes of our fan base we’re excited when the Club appointed RR. 6 months later he has been consigned to history his reputation irrevocably damaged in the eyes of many supporters so his damming assessment of both the players and decision makers at the Club can be readily ignored and rejected. RR chastising words of “Open heart surgery” and “upwards of 10 players” still ring true. His transfer advice of recruiting younger, hungry players looking to take the next step has already been ignored in the protracted pursuit of FDJ. A player who doesn’t want join the Club and will be paid outrageously to help change his mind. On the back of his worst season Bruno was awarded a lucrative new contract.
Some want to believe Arnold and Murtough represent a new Utd yet the overwhelming evidence suggest nothing has changed.
I desperately want EtH to be successful but if we are expecting him to work miracles with the likes of McFred and play a higher defensive line and different brand of football with Lindelof and Maguire he’ll be collecting his P45 like all the others.
26 Jun 2022 11:54:57
Well said DLIB, exactly my sentiments. This ain't anything new, it's very much same old same old.
26 Jun 2022 12:19:00
DlIB, you're right we should just douse the whole club in petrol and light it up. The decrepit stadium, the useless players, the outdated training ground, the board members and the Glazers lounging in the Floridian sun.
Torch the lot. None of it's worth persevering with.
It is what it is, there are no magic wands to just flick the wrist and fix everything.
The Glazers aren't going anywhere until they are ready. Stomp your feet, cry online, hand back your season ticket if you want. It won't make a blind bit of difference. They didn't care what the fans wanted when they forced the takeover, they didn't care what the fans wanted during the Green and Gold campaign and they don't care now.
Your choices are be a good customer and keep handing over your money or walk away. Choice is yours.
The structure at the club is undergoing a massive overhaul. It might make a difference or it might be more of the same. We don't know and we can't know weeks into a new regime with massive turmoil and change still ongoing all around. Judge is still running negotiations until September. It's a mess at the moment and will take time to take shape.
Again there is nothing you can do about it. Give it time and see what happens.
The squad needs a total turn over. It took both Klopp and Pep around 3 season's to move on all the players they didn't think we're good enough and bring in players to suit their style.
This won't happen over night and certainly not 3 weeks into the first transfer window.
We have 37 players in our squad left to deal with. Even if 12 leave that still gives us a 25 man squad. There is literally no space left at the Inn. More need to leave, for that reason we won't see 5 or 6 players join this summer as that would require the exit of 18 more players either permanently or on loan.
This isn't FIFA, you can't just click a button and boom the player is gone and the cash is in your account.
26 Jun 2022 13:22:30
Ture to the feeling. Before sales of players, it's hard to bring in players. Club won't pay up contracts and make free agents and then buy new. ( Although we would love) . right now without sales. only a Midfielder and a Forward is coming. No more. and a GK if Hendo depart is final.
This FDJ has Sancho type story all over. we think selling club will budge . and they don't. We are thinking that Barcelona needs money by 30th June and we are playing hard ball. Can backfire.
26 Jun 2022 13:45:12
Shappy - Despite your protestations you are a Glazer apologist and with all due respect nobody posts Fantasy Football nonsense on here more than you.
People lost their lives playing for this great football Club, it was re built from the ashes of Munich to reach the pinnacle of European football in order to honour the brave souls that tragically lost their lives at the end of a frozen runway. They were pioneers of the game that would tread the path for future generations in the pursuit of sporting excellence and glory. This football Club means a lot to many people, they are emotionally invested in its welfare and it’s future so please do not refer to me and others like me as merely customers. The fans are the true custodians of our football Club, we maintain and drive the standards and what’s happened over the last 10 years is unacceptable.
I make no apology or excuses for the Glazers or the incompetent suits they employ. They are bad news for Manchester United, they have no interest in upholding the standards nor respecting the legacy. Their plan is to trade off our history and fan loyalty to make money and line their own pockets.
You spoke effervescently of RR when he was appointed yet “Open heart surgery” and “upwards of 10 players” were his words not mine.
Maybe you should listen to the advice of a man you so enthusiastically lauded only 6 months previously before you accuse me of playing FIFA with our Club.
There is no evidence of this great overhaul that you now refer but the same people hastily promoted into more senior roles making the same mistakes.
I understand football and I know when the wool is being pulled over our eyes. Murtough has been in post 12 months, during that time he awarded Ole a new contract and hailed a cultural reset. Less than 6 months later he sent everyone on holiday because he couldn’t stomach the decision to sack him. He then appointed RR as interim coach and consultant. He didn’t like his assessment of the Club yet the man with no pedigree or history of building football Clubs remains in post. We didn’t sign any players in January despite the consultants advice to the contrary in case the new manager didn’t want them. He kept Lingard at the Club despite advise from the consultant, forgoing a transfer fee and paying his wages for another 6 months only for him to pose in a Wast Ham shirt, leak to the press and exacerbate the toxic dressing room culture. He then awarded Bruno a lucrative new contact before the appointment of a new manager despite him having his worst season in a Utd shirt. I could go on and on. That 12 months of Murtough and god knows what damage he has already presided over in the previous 10 years.
The Club is a circus, a laughing stock and unrecognisable to the pioneers that lost their lives in the pursuit of sporting excellence and immortality.
26 Jun 2022 16:25:08
DLIB, I think all fans understand our history. However, if you want to keep reciting it every 10 minutes you'll start to sound like the Scousers pre-Klopp.
Our past gives us no right to achieve things in our future. That sort of entitlement is why we are in this mess. Believing that we are too big, that our history gives us a divine right.
The Glazers have presided over our downfall, I want them gone as much as the next fan.
That said I have no idea who could possibly take over and as such I cannot sensibly say with any sort of authority that the next owners will be better than the current owners.
It's all if, buts and maybes.
It's also entirely out of my hands or any fans hands.
The only choice I have is to support the club or not. Many fans took the decision to stop supporting the club and some even set up a new club. FC United of Manchester, to keep alive what they believe to be the heart and soul of the club.
I still agree with everything RR said, I'm just more realistic on the time frame that could and it is likely to take.
It seems your frustrations are getting the better of you, resorting to name calling isn't the kind of thing we have seen from you in the past.
Maybe like Tony (AJH) a step back might help you refined yourself.
26 Jun 2022 16:53:05
Shappy
You are in no position to tell another poster to stop posting just because you don’t agree.
26 Jun 2022 17:36:15
Shappy - I define Glazer apologists as people who make excuses for the Glazers or seek to mitigate their role in the demise of our great Club.
We have always spent big money dating back to the acquisition of Dennis Law so praising the Glazers for spending money generated by the Club based on our history and previous success is not an argument that I agree with. They have invested little in the infrastructure of the Club and we are now being left behind.
You accuse me of living in the past but that’s exactly what the Glazers are using to generate revenue and sponsorship. They are not seeking to build a new legacy but continually rely on the history of the Club to attract everything from new players to sponsorship opportunities and social media interactions.
My reference to the past was in relation to values and the pursuit of sporting excellence. Values which no longer exits and are slowly eroded with each passing year.
The Glazers have a responsibility to the players that died, their families and the supporters to continue their legacy of sporting achievement and excellence. Those players died representing the Club trying to make history and ignite a love affair with European football that endures to this day.
Without vision or ambition there will be no future success. EtH might be a good coach but a rebuild is about re-setting the culture of malaise, selfishness and arrogance that exists not just in the dressing room but the entire Club. Shuffling positions and re branding failing players will not suffice in my opinion.
We’ll agree to disagree and if I have offended you in anyway then I apologise. Hopefully we can move forward and I’ll try to be more respectful and tolerant of other people views. At the end of the day we all want the same thing.
26 Jun 2022 17:41:33
Red Man, wind your neck in, your turkey jowls are showing.
I haven't told another poster to stop posting because I disagree with them. I actually prefer posters to disagree with me and explain their point of view. I enjoy attempting to understand things from another perspective.
I'm not one of those people who likes to shout their opinion into an empty room because the echo agrees with me.
If you ACTUALLY read what I wrote I merely suggested taking a step back if DLIB's frustrations are boiling over.
Most of us have at times over the years taken a step back from posting when things get a little too much. It's nothing more than friendly advice to a poster who I enjoy reading.
I'm sure DLIB is more than capable of telling me to shove my advice where the sun don't shine if they feel the need to.
26 Jun 2022 18:25:28
DLIB, Don't worry I'm not offended and you don't need to apologise.
It takes a lot to offend me, and I doubt anything that would offend me would make it past the Ed's.
Of course we all want the same thing, and I fully understand your point of view and your frustrations with the current situation.
As for Glazer apologist, if that's what you feel that's fine. In my mind I certainly am not. I've just taken the path of deciding not to allow them to erode my enjoyment of the club. They are there and there's nothing I can do about it. At some point they'll leave and that will be that. Until then I don't feel like getting angry and frustrated over things I cannot control is healthy for me.
It was more a case of shock that you resorted to name calling as it isn't something I've seen you do before. To me that suggests you are frustrated and maybe a step back might elevate those frustrations. But your an adult (I assume) and can make that call yourself.
For the most part I think we agree, neither of us want the Glazers at our club and we both blame them for the mess we are in.
However, I feel that there could certainly be worse owners. That given the money made available to build and strengthen the team that the club in theory could be successful under the Glazers, dependent on them getting the right people in charge and them listening to the right people.
As such I've chosen to focus on the football and not the ownership. I never started watching and supporting Manchester United for the off field politics and ownership debates. I watch to enjoy football, to see young players develop and be entertained.
I am hopeful of see more of that this season. The ownership will sort itself out and I am done twisting my knickers over it.