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17 Jan 2022 22:36:40
Have we learned nothing? If true it shows how utterly messed up we are. We appoint an interim manager, who is going to be a consultant for two years, after years of failure. I cannot tell you how utterly frustrating it is to read that the club is now considering a £40m bid for Aston Villa midfielder John McGinn in summer. That is worrying but it is then the driver that makes me shake my head. Apparently he has impressed SAF and Darren Fletcher. If true we continue to look backwards, very worrying. Let's hope it isn't true. SAF should have no bearing on the football at all and Fletcher knows about Scottish players, we need to move on. Meanwhile where is the support for RR, no one in no one out, I really hope they are not just playing lip service to the expert they brought in.

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17 Jan 2022 23:23:07
I agree Redman.
No doubt McGinn would be a upgrade on our current midfield incumbents. But likely to be expensive, clearly not utilising RRs knowledge or skills.

United have huge structural issues based on fairytales, the olden days and legends. It defies logic, at least football logic.
I see RR being sidelined in favour of a mystical search of the managerial equivalent of the holy grail.

Makes a great show though, the United soap opera.

18 Jan 2022 03:56:34
I like John mcginn. Think he’s a decent player. Would you rather we chase Bellingham all summer and end up with nothing because that’s what I can see happening.

18 Jan 2022 06:30:48
John McGinn. What. Decent player at Villa’s level but what. Chelsea are signing CL winners as back up players. MU are looking at McGinn as the answer. What.

RR is the worst move the club could have made - especially with this whole “consultant gig” blah blah. Give me a break. What a mess.

What manager is going to come in who is at the the top of the game to be overseen by RR? What.

Red Man why would the MU board back RR with $$$ when he is not going to the the manager in 6 months time. What.

That means another manager will be left with players they didn’t sign (likely for an exuberant amount) . What.

If RR wants to be backed he should take the gig full time like a grown up.

What? What a mess. Dire.

18 Jan 2022 06:58:08
Disagree Maze! I’m not saying we should sign Mginn but when you say Aston Villa level I’m afraid for 90 minutes on Monday their midfield absolutely took the mick out of ours, they ran the show, and also for 45 minutes Saturday! I’m afraid Aston Villa level is probably better than ours at moment ??
I think my point is I think we need to start looking at signings away from the stars and build a team based on individuals who are fantastic footballers but most importantly we create a team, a hard working talented team who above anything else want to play for Manchester United!
Another big thing to consider is who on earth believes what the newspapers say Jesus! The sir Alex mention is purely for exactly this, to stir all things United!

As for your criticism of RR I disagree again! Whether we like it or not we couldn’t get our main target when ole was sacked, an interim manager was only option surely or do you want us to go and get the next best? Read up on what RR has done at other clubs, I feel he could be hugely important over next two years as we go through another slight re build but he could be a gem of an appointment behind the scenes, I trust him to suss out this dressing room to!

18 Jan 2022 07:02:06
MAZE

Three years £420m spent and we don’t have a central midfield. A decent signing in there could make a difference.

RR was identified correctly for me, as a consultant to shake us out of the cultural reboot looking at 1980’s methods to replace SAF with someone who will be here years.

The McGinn story reeks of the past with SAF in the background and Fletcher as technical director, a position I have yet to see him justify including his career.

RR doesn’t need to take the manager job long term, but to me it already looks like the club are not listening, just carrying on what they did before. That is the mess. If they do that the club will be even more of a laughing stock.

18 Jan 2022 07:21:37
I wouldn’t be surprised if the club is in contact with the new manager (almost certainly the case) and that he will be giving his own feedback on signings too.

18 Jan 2022 08:54:56
Chris1 - Villa are an irrelevant team. Is this what it has become, MU fans now associate their club as a comparator to cesspool tinpot wannabes. Also enlighten me what has RR done at clubs of MU’s macro-scale stature?

Red Man - did you misread Maze’s post? Maze wholeheartedly agrees the club is a commercial calamity, an absolute omnishambles with no identity and leadership.

Please explain ‘consultant to shake us out of reboot’? What does that even mean? RR is on a gravy train, riding it like others. Have you ever had to engage or collaborate with consultants? They are not inexpensive. Now imagine engaging one in a limited market, in desperate times and no blueprint as to the outcome? Is there an upper limit on his ‘consulting fee’? God be kind and pray there is so.

Spenno - unless the manager the club are ‘almost certainly in contact with’ is unattached and out of work, then there would be serious conflict of interest and collusion questions for the club to answer. Please consider more broadly before pulling the trigger on your post.

18 Jan 2022 09:13:07
so we look to change the structure and someone are still not happy.

the manager we want was not available when ole got sacked so they got RR in to then go in his new role, assuming we have a better chance of getting our number 1 target in the summer.

18 Jan 2022 09:20:15
Bolger - who will take the role with RR looking over their shoulder with his breath tickling their neck? As
Red Man suggested above, do you think the club should back him and let him clear out players when he has a potential 6 month tenure?

Forget football, talking generally and frankly, that sounds incredibly short sighted and risk enduring.

18 Jan 2022 09:25:34
Hs's an upgraded Fred.
Runs about a lot and gets in a few tackles and scores 3-4 goals a season.
By the way we already have another two of those in Matic and Mctominay.
What a waste of 40-50 millions pounds.

18 Jan 2022 10:23:04
I don’t think Maze understands what Consultants do, RR has a 2 year deal on top of this temp management role to use his knowledge to change the club. It looks like they are not listening which doesn’t bode well. You are hung up with new managers when it is the structure of the club that needs review and change. In the meantime it looks like we just carry on with the old ways that got us in this mess. If we don’t listen to the consultant all that knowledge is wasted.

18 Jan 2022 10:31:12
Maze, I'm sure no club is ever contacting other managers and players when they're still under contract. Definitely not. Simply doesn't happen.

Please refrain from the pretentious habit of referring to yourself in the third person before pulling your own trigger while you're at it.

18 Jan 2022 10:53:16
McGinn has been linked previously, I don't personally see it, papers will link SAF and Fletcher at United and all 3 being Scottish and the need for a CM. I'm fully prepared for United to be linked with another dozen CM's before the end of the summer and for us to end up signing a RB!

18 Jan 2022 11:03:10
Red Man - notwithstanding you did not answer any of the questions offered to you or elaborate on your outlandish statements, Maze will entertain you with a response.

Maze understands very well how consultants work - first hand experience of the good the bad and the ugly. The big the small. The ethical and the mercenary. Trust that.

The structure of the club does need to change of that there is no doubt - is Ralf going to that single handedly? If he has all the answers why has it taken until 2022 to bring him in? Don’t kid yourself.

Spenno - if you are going to trade barbs with the Maze please educate yourself or at least present some substance. The youth of today do entertain Maze. All Xbox no acumen.

18 Jan 2022 11:08:00
we haven't had a proper football man above the manager for a decade.

the first sign we have someone with some influence we are saying its the wrong choice ( maze is saying its the wrong choice)

RR has experience in building clubs from above. Fletcher will be learning for 2 years at least on how to run footballing sides above the manager.

for fletcher that is fantastic and if R continues beyond his 2 years even better.

in my opinion they already have someone lined up, they will have prob already discussed this process with the potential manager or managers agent. just like with players we would have already made contact with potential managers and sold the project with RR role being explained.


in answer to your question i would rather RR do what needs doing now ready for when someone comes in the summer, if he has to stay on another 12 months and we wait for ten hag, even better,

SHORT TERM pain for LONG TERM gain.

for the first time in 10 years we are looking to build from above.

whats ironic is JOSE tried to tell us about the C.V.es and wanted to get rid but the powers above said no.

and here we are now finally seeing certain players for what they are. let RR ship them out, i'm going to trust this process a lot more than under OLE and woodward.

just don't go awol maze when we start looking like a actual decent run football club.

18 Jan 2022 11:27:25
Does he have influence Bolger? What has he influenced so far? How is the frank and robust dialogue going for him so far?

RR has experience of building clubs up? RBL, Hoffenheim? Those projects are nothing like MU. The models are completely different, the scrutiny on a far more unprecedented scale - not to mention the expectations, media etc.

RR won’t stay on for another 12 months. He doesn’t want to be the manager. He would rather be in the background letting other so the doing. In fact his CV (like OGS’s) does not pass the pub test to be MU manager - but here we are.

Someone like Ten Hag who has done very well recently will not want a baby sitter looking over their shoulder.

Bolger, Maze was told don’t go awol it will work out under LVG, don’t go awol OGS is galvanising MU. Still Maze waits, Maze grows weary.

18 Jan 2022 13:49:57
do you not think he will have influence MAZE?

what have they hired him for then? its already been confirmed he will have a say on who the next manager is and transfers might not be the final say might just be an opinion, but someone like RR you listen too, otherwise what is the point you may have kept woodward in the job

hes already said he would be willing to carry on if the club wanted him too, which wouldn't be a bad idea if the next manager is not available in the summer.

they are not going to have got RR in to try and implement his ideas to then send him above and the next manager be a total opposite

what do you think marc overmars job is at ajax? similar to RR maybe not exact the same but in some capacity to what RR will do when he isn't the interim

we have cried out for footballing people and a change in structure and we have started to implement this.

short term pain maze for long term gain.

hes not even been here for 5 minutes.

18 Jan 2022 13:53:09
All Xbox no acumen gave me a good chuckle maze ????.





 

 

 
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