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09 Jan 2022 16:55:49
Ed001, I know i will get pelters from some people but do you think (at least in the last 3-4 years) Ronaldo is hugely overrated ?
I can see the new Real without Ronaldo, they started to find their feet and have no problems in scoring goals. At Juventus i think they scored around 85 the year before he joined and then when he arrived the downfall started. We scored at a good rate too unless he arrived.
I think he doesn't help his team score many goals but the team help him score to continue his legacy. I would say he is a huge problem for us and maybe the main problem on the pitch. And if we were to believe the press he is a bad influence off the pitch too

{Ed001's Note - yes because he doesn't do enough off the ball. Yes he can sometimes pull you out of the fire, but it is not enough in the modern game to be spending 89min playing with a man just watching and waiting for a chance to shoot.}

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09 Jan 2022 18:38:30
We should get rid of him in the summer, he has made us worse.

Players have gone pants all because of him, they csnt defend, can't pass, don't run and don't move.

09 Jan 2022 19:11:16
And yet RR continues to play him, this player who seems to be the opposite of everything his tactics demand.
I guess you can look at a player's numbers in terms of running, pass % etc, then his actual figures in terms of goals and contributions and deduce that the latter still wins out.

09 Jan 2022 21:17:44
Hugely overrated is a little mad, he’s coming to the end of his career and isn’t the player he was but he hasn’t been overrated throughout his career, his trophy haul and individual honours say everything.

09 Jan 2022 20:39:13
Thank you Ed001. I would get rid of him now if i could.

{Ed001's Note - very welcome.}

10 Jan 2022 00:01:32
He is no longer cut out for the high energy huff and puff of the EPL and what's more. and this is more to the point. he is just the last in a long line of old, crocked, reluctant and/ or short term trophy players United have hired in the hope that they can somehow mask the rot at the core of the club. It started with RVP who at least turned in one great season. Since then we've had Falcao, Di Maria, Pogba, Ibrahimovic and Cavani. From a dressing room point of view It must surely be a demotivating decision to further delay the playing opportunities for young players.

10 Jan 2022 00:35:35
His trophy haul? Is close enough with Benzema Ramos. Football is a team sport and the legacy don't always match the greatness of a player. Not even his individual records.
He is the definition of overated-a player that is nowhere near as good as he is in theory and he plays with his reputation. Give me a fully fit Cavani any day of the week.

10 Jan 2022 07:01:12
Shawthing, you forgot Schweinsteiger.

10 Jan 2022 08:56:53
It's not like we were playing scintillating football before Ronaldo rejoined.

10 Jan 2022 09:58:41
It's funny how some fans can just change and the drop of a hat.
Back in September he was the best thing since sliced bread.
Everyone was celebrating saying welcome home CR7, welcome back to your spiritual home all this sh*t.

By the way i was never in favour or him coming back but i would never say a bad word about him because of what he has done and achieved in his football career.
It was never going to be the fairy tale ending.
There were so many things that i didn't like about this signing when it happened.

1) His massive ego.
2) The whole team having to change the way they play to accommodate him.
3) I never understood why we needed another forward when we scored more goals last season then anybody else apart from Man City. It was obvious that we were desperate for a midfielder and that should of been the priority.
4) Stumping the growth of the younger talent like Greenwood.

United were bad enough before he joined, this has just added to the of problems that need addressing at the club.
Lets hope that he (Ronaldo) has had enough decides to move in this month.

10 Jan 2022 10:06:16
It was an unnecessary nostalgia trip at the time and many people on here questioned the wisdom of the transfer so its not revisionism.

It also shows how much Pep and city have rattled us as a club and how much we are in awe of them and what they have achieved in the premier league that as soon as they are linked with a player we get scared and try to pip them without any thought of how we would actually integrate those players into our own team.

Maguire, Fred, Alexis and now a 37 year old Ronaldo. City have pulled our pants down in the transfer market four times now and set the club back years.

10 Jan 2022 10:50:23
I think several people questioned whether he was a signing we NEEDED to make.

If memory serves I think people felt that the club should make the signing more to stop him going to City than because we were desperate for him.

Also I think only ignorance can stop someone from changing their mind when presented with evidence to the contrary of what they previously thought.

Thinking a player will be a good signing and celebrating that signing is fine.

Yet if afterwards that signing creates problems or doesn't live up to expectations then there is nothing wrong with reversing that previously held belief that he would be a good signing.

When we signed Falcao, Di Maria, Pogba etc the general consensus was they were good signings who'd improve the team.

That isn't how things worked out, only an idiot would say Di Maria was a good signing now.

It's perfectly okay, and even intelligent to say something you tried didn't work and so you're moving on.

Ronaldo individually has done okay, 14 goals in 21 appearances is a solid return.

Yet the stats also say only 10 wins from 21 games in which Ronaldo has played for us.

Last season without Ronaldo the team had a win rate of 66% of our matches.

This season with Ronaldo in the team that drops to around 47%.

Goals scored without Ronaldo in the team is 2.23 per game average.

Goals scored with Ronaldo in the team is 1.48 per game on average.

Goals conceded without Ronaldo in the team 0.89 per game.

Goals conceded with Ronaldo in the team 1.67 per game.

Every single stat you look at when comparing the team before and after Ronaldo joined shows that we performed better WITHOUT him.

Before we were Manchester United, now we are Ronaldo and Manchesterettes.

Simply put the EPL is too strong a league and we are too weak a side to effectively play with 10 men for 89 minutes while those 10 players play to create chances for the one.

We have players who aren't good enough as part of a starting ELEVEN.

Expecting McFred to do the work of 3 players when they struggle to be effective as two players is just a bridge too far.

There is nothing wrong with saying you're a huge fan of Ronaldo, that he holds a special place in your heart from his first spell at the club. But that he is now a one trick pony (scoring) who is a huge distraction and makes the team weaker overall.

10 Jan 2022 12:39:46
Sorry, is it all Ronaldos fault now or what? ?.

10 Jan 2022 15:01:35
Nah Angel it's Ole's, oh wait hang on the team is just as bad after he left as they were before.

Ronaldo has disrupted the balance in the dressing room and made more problems than he solves.

That doesn't mean him leaving solves everything, just that the club would have been significantly better off had we let Ronaldo join City and signed that bloody CDM we have known we needed for at least 18 months.

Maybe City would be top by a couple more points, or maybe they'd be worse off. But we'd have 8-10 points more at least.

Signing Ronaldo was akin to putting an extra coat of paint on a house that needs underpinning. We needed to fix the god damn foundations not pretty the place up a bit.

Ronaldo has added a pressure or cast a shadow over the other players resulting in their performances dropping by 10-20%. You can't have most of your team drop their level by 20% and expect them to achieve more.

10 Jan 2022 15:15:35
I honestly think Ole had no say on bringing him in or not.
He was coming whether Ole liked it or not.
It was down to Ferguson poking his nose in and the Glazers who obviously seen the $$$$ signs.

10 Jan 2022 16:11:57
shappy them stats are bolloxy mate

what about the percentage of mistakes from players?

the percentage of how far we have ran since last year to now.

how many tackles we put in per game

to say ronaldo is the reason we a rubbish its laughable

guess pogba is lucky he is injured or it would be him getting the blame.

10 Jan 2022 16:34:52
Bolger, if you removed you head from Ronaldo's posterior then you'd stop staving your brain of oxygen and might be able to see what is clearly in front of you.

Last season we were crap because of the manager, this season we get rid of that manager and we are worse.

The difference is Ronaldo has placed a pressure on the players they can't cope with.

While there could be an argument that maybe players at our club should be able to deal with that pressure. The fact remains that they can't and they are unlikely to be able to learn to deal with it.

Until Ronaldo leaves I can't see us significantly improving. There is a good reason Juventus were desperate to get him off the books last summer and it actually had nothing to do with wages. Juventus scraped top 4 last season on the last day, finishing 1 point above Napoli in 5th.

There is a good chance we don't make top four this year, and I can't see Ronaldo sticking around to play in the Europa League or even worse the Europa conference. I wouldn't be surprised to see him leave in the summer regardless of what happens.

10 Jan 2022 17:09:40
Last season it was clear that we need a holding to allow us play on front foot. A more proactive manager too. I think WHEN we attacked with numbers we were really good and we must have build on this. We are nowhere near as good as we were with Ronaldo because all are about him and not the team.
Shappy its a loss situation. People can't accept that a player who scores goals, say Lukaku, Zlatan or Ronaldo, can be the main problem.

10 Jan 2022 18:07:25
Herrera, it's a simple balance problem.

In the past we have struggled because we only attacked down our left. Now all our attacks are focused toward Ronaldo. We are predictable and unfortunately Ronaldo is no longer dynamic enough to make chances for himself consistently.

It's the same problem, we've just shifted it. While the pressure of playing with Ronaldo is too much for most of our players.

10 Jan 2022 18:33:01
Last year we was crap because of the manager this year because of ronaldo.

Maybe your head should get out the clouds and realise its the other 10 players.

My head ain't uo ronnies behind but he isn't the reason we are what we are.

A surgeon is a pressure job, a paramendic a fireman not playing football with ronaldo ?

We all have opinions and i respect yours but this is my opinion.

10 Jan 2022 21:56:32
Ronaldo the issue tonight shappy?

That performace tonight was a shambles.

11 Jan 2022 00:57:07
How can we be blaming Ronaldo for everything?
If City had bought Ronaldo, they would have scored another 20 goals. They have a manager who knows how to play team football and creat chances for all players.
Ronaldo is playing in a side devoid of character, ideas, guts, pride. It's a team game, so all players are to blame.

11 Jan 2022 07:27:34
Bolger, the first half was the best we have played in 3-4 games if not the best half since the first half against Palace.

The second half we looked tired. Of course there are still problems, and no doubt half the players are learning how to shoot again now they were allowed without having a bollocking off of Ronaldo.

11 Jan 2022 08:26:46
Riiiiiight Shappy, at least your posts are getting funnier ?

Damn Ronaldo and his high standards, all his fault. If he hadn't been playing against Villa, we would have been much better. Hold on a second.

11 Jan 2022 08:31:01
Ole has gone now Shappy, he was a huge huge mistake. Ralf has a big job on his hands.

I liken the team to children Shappy,
90% of children perform better when being positive with them, criticise them and they will just not perform.

It's almost like someone's gone in their, not all happy happy, chummy chummy and given them some actual honesty. Ronaldo of course is not going to fix any issues, and I was one that believed he wasn't needed. However, this man has standards way above any other player in the team and if they can't handle a rollicking from him, then they shouldn't be there.

These adults have turned into children.

11 Jan 2022 09:20:05
AAA, of course Ronaldo isn't the only issue. There is still a lack of quality and character in far too many of the squad.

Ronaldo is a player you add to a top quality squad as a finishing touch. A squad full of strong characters and proven winners who don't feel in awe of Robaldo.

The problem isn't what Ronaldo offers on the pitch as a player, it is the character and status that is the issue.

11 Jan 2022 09:43:56
Angel, the first half while not great was the best we have played since the first half against Palace. The first half against Palace was the only game in which Ronaldo pressed and worked hard from the front. Coincidence? It's almost like the style we are attempting to play relies on hard working forwards.

I agree I don't think most of this squad are mentally strong enough. They are not mentality strong enough to take constructive criticism and they aren't strong enough to live in Ronaldo's shadow.

While his "standards" tend to only extend to passing him the ball in goalscoring situations.

He's never fully satisfied when someone else scores, or even if the team wins and he isn't on the score sheet.

His standards are about "me, me, me" and not "us or the team".

If we don't qualify for the UCL next season Ronaldo will be off in the summer. He won't "waste" a year of his career not being able to add to his legacy.

He will always be a United great, and will be fondly remembered by all United fans. But he isn't the guy to help drag this team back to the top.

I mean simply we probably need to replace 20 of our 25 man squad either because they aren't good enough or aren't mentally strong enough. That takes at least three years. Meaning Ronaldo would be 39 a few months off of 40 before we even had a squad capable of challenging at the highest level. Let alone have the chemistry as a team to sustain a serious title challenge.

Personally I think Ronaldo should move on in the summer, a one year thanks and chance for those who were too young to remember him to catch a glimpse of him in a United shirt.

This summer though we need to start rebuilding for the future, it will be a rebuild that will be years in the making. Years Ronaldo simply doesn't have. He is a distraction and a link clinging on to the past, when we need clear focus on the future.



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