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24 Jan 2020 19:34:23
We need to give Ole some credit for what he has tried to do, change the lazy culture, blood youth and try to get that never say die attitude back.

He may not have the players or the skill to manage our club but he does want to do the right thing by the club.

{Ed047's Note - I guess one out of 3’s not bad. 👍🏼

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24 Jan 2020 19:51:41
If he wanted to do the right thing he would resign.

He’s the one who agreed to let Fellaini, Lukaku, Herrera, and Sanchez go without replacements.
He’s the one who continually says he’s happy with our recruitment.
He’s the one who says he doesn’t want a DoF.

Ole remains in the job, as Ed001 says, because he won’t complain. He didn’t get the job on merit and knows he will never get a job at this level again. You say he doesn’t have the players, but he’s out in the press praising the club’s recruitment every second week. A cheerleader who is putting his own career ahead of the best interests of the club.

24 Jan 2020 20:18:23
Credit for what, has the football improved in the last 12 months?, is the squad better than 12 months ago?, is the intensity and pressing more evident in games?, do we see tactical awareness of how to win matches? . I could go on but its too depressing.

24 Jan 2020 20:21:00
Come on Danny. Even Fergie used to tell everyone what good owners the Glazers were, and how they'd always make money available for him if he needed it.

I don't get the 'why doesn't he speak out' issue. What manager, unless they want to commit professional suicide, or are looking to leave anyway, ever come out and criticise their board over lack of funds?

The manager never wins that one. Most recently, even Poch started with it, and look who won that one.

24 Jan 2020 20:56:44
Steve, I’m not sure SAF would be singing from that hymn sheet if his squad was this poor. He was, first and foremost, a winner and wouldn’t accept this.

With Ole it’s not that he doesn’t speak out, he actively parrots the club line. After he was hired the club put the breaks on the DoF position. When fans started complaining, Ole was out in front of the cameras saying he didn’t need one. Same with the Lukaku transfer, immediately out there saying he didn’t need to be replaced because we had Greenwood.

He’s either a mouthpiece for club Pr, or completely deluded. Neither is going to help the club get back to challenging.

24 Jan 2020 22:28:30
Well said noucamp. There's plenty to complain about, but too many are looking for a convenient narrative and will find a theory to fit it.

24 Jan 2020 22:30:34
I know what you're getting at, but I just don't know what he can say in public. LVG and Jose never came out and questioned the board openly. Jose did near the end, and he got the sack. Same with Poch. Who knows what the conversations are behind closed doors?

24 Jan 2020 22:48:49
this is the man who was very vocal about the glazers should not take over our great club. yet since a bit of abuse has started he wants us to treat them as family. funny how a big fat pay check changes his views.

25 Jan 2020 00:00:48
There’s a lot of mitigating circumstances but don’t believe for one minute Ole is looking anything like good enough.

25 Jan 2020 08:41:00
Ole's issue as a manager has always been inconsistency, a few good results followed by a few bad results, unfortunately you need consistency to win the league these days.

25 Jan 2020 10:13:14
Lads, I know there's plenty of other things wrong, but I just don't get slating a manager for doing what every other single manager does.

25 Jan 2020 11:26:14
It’s really hard to say one way or another with such incompetence surrounding him. it would be fair to say most would struggle with this situation.

Ole has got rid of the dead wood
He has improved a number of players.
He has started to change the culture.

His in game tactics and team selection are awful.
His Pressers are ridiculous.
Injuries from over playing

We know on the above he’s kind of standard moans for EPL fans but this not elite Utd level.

I do think it is hard to judge him with what he’s working with and what transfers or lack of have happened.

We are failing all over and need a clean sweep with a DoF coming in to sort the football side and pack Ed and the commercal guys down to London where they can work on noodle partners and official egg partners etc

I’m not particularly fussed if Ole stays or goes more concerned with the structure above.

{Ed047's Note - from the outside it’s impossible to know what goes on above the manager, they are all, the spokesperson for their respective clubs and none are going to disparage their bosses or the club because surely that causes more unrest.

The owners have poured a massive amount and I mean, massive amount of money, into the team. I could only dream of that happening at Arsenal.

Mistakes have been made with players and managers but it doesn’t appear to be for the want of trying on the owners part.

My opinion, but they seem to be stepping back from that what has been described as a “Scatter gun” approach and were more measured in the summer.

You have to give them time now, again my opinion, to see where it goes, frustration lies at OGS’s feet right now because of how the team perform. I’m not sure he’s right for you but players and I’ll include Pogba are woefully letting him down.

This measured approach could well lead to change in the summer but the owners must be looking at everything with a view to getting the whole thing back on track.

25 Jan 2020 11:56:58
Everyone all slags the glazers off but let's not forget why Fergie defends them as he was the reason they ended up here in the first place.

25 Jan 2020 12:00:19
Redcon if ole wants to do the right thing by the club then he should walk away now. Show up Woodward and owners for what they are and what life under them is really like.

25 Jan 2020 11:58:52
Ed047, most United fans don't feel the Glazers have spent much money because the money spent is made by the club.

However, as we can see with Arsenal, a club can make a large amount of money but that doesn't mean it HAS to be spent on the team. It could just go to line the pockets of the owners.

The Glazers bought the club to make money, they could have pocketed the 900m they have spent in the last 7 years, but they didn't they spent it on the squad.

The real questions shouldn't be why haven't we got MORE money to spend, but why has it been allowed to be spent so poorly for so long.

{Ed047's Note - yes I understand that money spent is generated by the club but either way it’s a huge amount that has been spent on the team.

I’m sure all owners also want to make money, why would they want to lose it.

They won trophies when the first arrived with Fergie and I can’t believe they don’t still want too, where as some are content with a fourth place trophy very very few were built into the global brand you are and to maintain that global brand fourth place can no way be enough.

Thus I believe they won’t be sitting on their hands but doing all they can to get you back to the top. Clearly nowhere near quickly enough for many.

25 Jan 2020 13:35:00
It's a tricky one. At no point in the last 30 years have Liverpool dropped out of the top ten most supported club world wide. So there is a precedent of a top club maintaining a global icon and attracting large sponsorship and merchandising without actually winning the league or challenging.

25 Jan 2020 14:33:30
Damo Glazers are he because of Sir Alex and his dealings with JP McManus etc

Fergie was an amazing manager but not the best human.



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