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03 Jan 2020 04:25:23
Every poster on here is entitled to their opinion. The fact that the fan base is so split just shows how disoriented we are with the way our club is being run. What adds to the misery is the fact that our two biggest rivals, City and Liverpool are so far ahead. They’re also two clubs who have chopped and changed their managers until they have the right man, have a structure in place and a plan moving forward.

All the above adds to the anger and disappointment we are experiencing as loyal fans of this club.

I wanted to add that I was at the game on Wednesday and the so called top reds are far more toxic then fans who try to give balanced views and look at things at face value. They jump down peoples throats who try to criticise the manager, the tactics, even the board and blindly support the rubbish we have seen for a sustained period of time. They solely blame the players and nothing else. There is lots of examples around Europe where clubs have under performed until a good manager with the right idea has come in and changed things very quickly. This adds to the pressure that Ole is receiving because in comparison, he has done nothing to suggest we have an identity, a way of playing football.

We may not have a squad that’s title worthy or even top 4 worthy but we do have very talented players at our disposal. Players who have clearly been deprived of proper management and coaching in comparison to our rivals. Rashford and Martial should be much further ahead in their development. I would also argue that players like Lindelof, who was a sought after talent around Europe should be much further ahead in his development.

Fans, like myself come on here as it’s a platform which we can vent and write down our true feelings. The board do not really care what we want which is why, as many of you have alluded to, we do not have a proper structure, plan or coaching staff in place that is fit for our great club.

I fear deeply about the direction we are going in now. We’re not far off what Liverpool became after their period of dominance. What frustrates us the most, I believe, is the fact that we have money there to sort all of these issues out but it seems that the powers that be have other ideas in mind. We have wasted enormous amounts of money and have regressed. That is clear to see.

Whether we like it or not, we are stuck with Ole until he either magically becomes a pep or Klopp type manager over night. If not, he will take us further back and will be sacked as usual.

The latest loss has sparked more of an outrage as the loss was similar to ones we have had against much lesser teams. Devoid of ideas, tactics and players lacking confidence even though we have been on a decent run. There is outrage because in comparison to previous managers which we have sacked, he’s performing worse. A lot of our games against the top 6 clubs will now be away from home. I think we may now see the results against these clubs balance out. Of course as a fan I hope that I’m not right. I want nothing more than to be proved wrong.

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03 Jan 2020 06:57:55
That’s a really good post Amz. I agree about the so called top reds. Criticise Solskjaer and you are called plastic or toxic. Some of the abuse they give the players is disgusting whilst absolving anything the manager does. You wonder what the agenda is tbh. Fanbase is more split than I can ever remember. It really isn’t nice at the moment.

03 Jan 2020 07:44:37
Klopp had a very rocky first 18 months at Liverpool. Had he taken over United he would have been sacked and called the failed Mainz manager by sections of the United fan base.

The fact is we aren't a loyal fan base. We turn on managers if the moment the team isn't winning.

There were even some fans who during the final years of Sir Alex said he needed to go and on occasion turned on him. One poster even blames him for our current owners.

So I can fully understand it when the Ed's label us toxic.

{Ed047's Note - is Klopp the same manager who smashed it with Dortmund up against the European power house of Bayern Munich or did he win some Norwegian League?

03 Jan 2020 08:56:22
How can you compare Ole to Klopp? As ed said, one beat Dortmund to the title twice and got to the CL final. It was always clear he was going to be a top manager. Ole’s credentials?

03 Jan 2020 08:58:37
The comparisons are embarrassing ed047.
Clutching at straws.
Senseless and ridiculas arguments that make are quite frankly becoming note and mite bizarre.
Toxic purple flip flop with their opinions all the time. Toxic is not having an opinions that disagree with the board.

{Ed047's Note - it’s ridiculous ken, OGS isn’t and never will be in the same league as Klopp.

If he were the manager of any other club you guys would literally be laughing your heads off and rejoicing he was still at the wheel.

Much like people were with Emery driving us nowhere fast.

03 Jan 2020 09:18:17
Ferguson does indeed deserve some of the blame for our current owners.

As soon as greed got the better of him regarding a racehorse and he decided to take on major shareholders he should have been reminded that his job was Manchester United manager and there was a conflict of interest .

03 Jan 2020 09:53:32
We must stick with Ole until we have a long term strategy in place.

Get a DoF and overhaul the recruitment team.
Else, it will be sack, rinse and repeat.

03 Jan 2020 09:17:31
Ed047 i took some time out a d read back over a couple of posters posts and the inconsistency and flip flopping is embarrassing. Essay after essay of complete inconsistency tweaking arguments with preposterous claims to fit the narrative of the day.
Absolute hogwash and all in the imagination. Most of the points are so far from reality its laughable.

Then we get posters who spent months even years trolling the previous manager who complain about redman being repetitive.
Its hilarious.
I love the double standards.

{Ed047's Note - you’re not wrong mate it’s getting ridiculous

03 Jan 2020 10:24:02
What dicey 18 months were these shappy? In his first season taking over in the middle of the season he guided them to a Europa final. The next season after 21 games he had them 3rd on the table level on points with 2nd placed Tottenham and 7 points behind leaders chelsea. That season after getting into top 4 after week 5, they were out out of top 4 only once in the entire season.

This misstating of klopp's record to make ole look good needs to stop.

03 Jan 2020 10:30:36
We must not!

03 Jan 2020 11:18:01
There is literally no comparison when it comes to Ole and Klopp.
Klopp has credentials and clearly had Liverpool playing decent enough football. They were a good team to watch the moment he joined.
How Ole enters the argument is quite baffling.
Klopp broke the dominance of Bayern spending nowhere near the amount they did and took Dortmund to a CL final, narrowly losing. This is after being relegated with Mainz and sticking to his philosophy.
Ole won a title in Norway, relegated Cardiff after wasting a lot of money on players he had connections with, went back to Norway, achieved nothing before coming to United. The team he left then went on to win the title.
Which manager deserves more time after 12-18 months?

I completely agree we are now a club that sacks, rinses and repeats. However, the calls for a DOF and a change in the recruitment department are falling on deaf ears. At this moment in time there is one thing that stands out and that is we have gone backwards under Ole.

03 Jan 2020 11:40:22
Correct amz that of course is fact. But but but but if but if but if if but if but.

03 Jan 2020 11:51:46
The double standards are ridiculous Ken. It’s as if you’re allowed to be repetitive because you’re Ole in, anything else is toxic and boring. Like I said earlier, I seem to remember The criticism of Jose was often very personal by some posters. He was character assassinated and there were personal attacks on him as a person. Yet people call Ole the ‘failed Cardiff manager’ and that’s outrageous? The vitriol Jose got was awful during the end of his reign that it became an agenda. Personally, I think the name calling of Ole is wrong and I don’t engage in it. But at least people should not have double standards.

03 Jan 2020 13:13:39
To be fair Park there is only a couple of posters like that.
I mean its very easy just to argue against points without giving an opinion.
You know the ones i mean the superior supporter the visionaries who is always right, changing the goalposts to suit their narrative. Its a little sad really.
They have the goal posts on wheels they shift them that often😂😂.

03 Jan 2020 13:48:38
Please divulge the examples of posts where posters here are personally attacking mourinho at your earliest convenience. I can only speak for myself but the only player or manager I have genuinely ever wanted out of the club is pogba and I will stand by that.

03 Jan 2020 15:57:53
Paranoia ross? Nobody talking about you.



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