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22 Dec 2019 17:05:06
Everyone blaming Ole again I see but it seems because De Gea had a few good seasons it completely excuses how poor he's been the last 18 months. The guy is totally hopeless at commanding his area. The wins against spurs and city have been completely undone now by two poor results in succession. I don't think you can blame Ole for 3 individual errors leading to goals in last two games. What has annoyed me though is how Shaw has come back in the team? I'd have Williams before him and even Young. He offers nothing going forward and is poor defensively plus is positioning is rubbish too hence the reason he picks up silly yellow cards all the time. I'd be looking to move him on sooner rather than later.

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22 Dec 2019 17:22:44
Totally agree i would move both flappy de Gea and Mr stay puft on.

22 Dec 2019 17:32:55
Damon who picks the team? Shaw is starting because ole picked, lingard keeps getting picked because ole picks him. And these games aren't something out of the blue, we have taken 10 of possible 30 points vs bottom half teams, so it's clearly isn't a case of individual errors.

22 Dec 2019 17:37:53
Then you bloody can't credit 2 moments of individual brilliance in our victories on Ole's lap. He is as useless as a wrong sized shoe in your wardrobe.

22 Dec 2019 17:41:01
Damon we can all agree we have an average team.

But ole has to take blame for continuing to play lingard and his substitutions again we totally wrong.

22 Dec 2019 18:50:54
Who does he play there instead of lingard? Both Mata and Pereira have also contributed nothing in that position.

22 Dec 2019 19:02:21
Exactly Mort lol!

22 Dec 2019 20:08:42
Why do we need to play 4 2 3 1?

Play 4 4 2 or 4 2 2 2

There are many formations we can play that wpuod suit the players we have yet lingard who offers nothing keeps on playing.

22 Dec 2019 21:00:33
Damon and Mort, you don't want shaw back in the team, but you totally back Solskjaer?! So who decided that Shaw should come back straight into the team? Is it not the person you're refusing to blame?

22 Dec 2019 21:02:32
Oh yeah? What's wrong with giving Gomes a chance? Or shall we just let him go to Barcelona on a free instead? Maybe just maybe, solskjaer is clueless.

22 Dec 2019 21:13:03
We didn't lose this game due to a goal keeping error. We lost because we couldn't out score and absolutely useless team with a good of minus twenty-one. Yeah, that's right, minus God dam twenty one. I had to use words instead of numbers to demonstrate quite how bad that team is.

Our team is a lot, and I really mean a lot, lot better than Watford.

It's the manager and his tactics. I started to believe again when we beat spurs and City, but it's not the players, despite the glaring weaknesses in this squad, it's the manager and his tactics.

22 Dec 2019 21:21:27
Totally right Red. But people are still blaming everyone including Corbyn and Johnson before allowing any bad word to be said against Solskjaer.

22 Dec 2019 21:41:17
It's obviously Solskjaer's fault for shaw being in the team as he's the manager. De gea hitting balls into his chops then into the net isn't his fault though or lingard missing an absolute sitter. De gea needs a run out of the team he's been poor now for a long time. He was even poor at Euro 2018 and has lost his place to Arrizabalaga.

22 Dec 2019 22:06:58
World cup 2018 I mean guys. My apologies 😂.

22 Dec 2019 22:13:34
That may be so Damon, but missing one sitter is irrelevant. We should be putting 4 past the likes of Watford.

We're playing 2 dms against a poor team. The argument put forth is that we don't have a good enough no 10 and if we did we'd be fine. And they're right we don't have a good enough no 10 to unlock deep lying defences, so stop playing a system that relies on a quality no 10!

And that's why I blame Ole.

23 Dec 2019 00:09:09
Yet the same manager beat Spurs and City.

So shows it isn't all on the manager or the players when we play well or play badly.

23 Dec 2019 00:18:26
Watch the game back RedD we had 4 huge chances to score at least. Lingard, Rashford, Greenwood, Pogba all had golden opportunities to score. We can't blame Solskjaer for missed opportunities and bad mistakes from de gea and wan bissaka. We had 17 shots today with 8 being on target. That tells me clearly the tactics weren't the problem today.

23 Dec 2019 01:55:28
Mort the fact that we have beaten Chelsea, Tottenham, City etc shows it's the manager's fault and not the players.

When facing a good side we seem to have a plan but against the bottom clubs we are clueless, lingard's stupid headless chicken approach is good against big teams is a big minus in games like yesterday. A good manager would adapt change tactics try something different.

What ole's done is he's picked lingard, then when lingard's done poorly for 3-4 games he picks Pereira, and then again picked lingard once Pereira flopped. Why not change formation, try something different. Put james at 10, start Greenwood or young. Sadly ole's a mediocre one trick pony manager. It's time people accept the fact.

23 Dec 2019 12:49:27
I blatantly said he's to blame for putting shaw in the team I wouldn't pick him he's never been the same since that injury. Who can he pick instead of lingard? I would have started with Greenwood today though, definitely. De gea was poor last season and it's the same again this year. I think we should have sold him when his stock was high and given Romero the gloves. he's had a bumper new contract at the wrong time really. Got to blame the powers at be for that though.

23 Dec 2019 12:55:57
I blame this entire problem on the coaching management, for example;

James has been awful these couple of weeks. Why not start with Greenwood?

Also, why not play Williams over Shaw? There is this flow of continuity and transition which the lad offers that is overlooked. Little things like that though salient are very important to how a game pans out.

Why didn't he bring on Pogba and Greenwood at half time?

If Lingard, Mata and Pereira aren't cutting it why not give Gomes a chance? Probably going to leave and we'll have us a Pogba mk2.

Speaking of Pogba, he did ok but you can see the difference in class between him and the rest. It isn't even a debate. Watching this atrocious team, it's a surprise he wants to stay.

Martial was very good today. His holdup, link up and general game play has been good. Furthermore, Martial as our striker, created 3 big chances today - Opta. Rest of the team created 0 big chances.

That's extremely poor😬all these days but the only problem is the goals aren't coming as creativity is next to nothing.

De Gea's mistake is not an issue because once in a while, such happens but when a team can't create and finish against the lowest team on the log then such mistakes will turn out to have a higher impact than should.

Honestly, we have poor management. Yes I do accept that Solskjaer is not technically adept. But there is no law saying a manger must be. Problem is his coaching team have nothing to offer. Phelan, Carrick and the rest obviously cannot help him navigate through this difficulty.

The stats are damning: 10 wins in 35 games.

But the caveat with those wins is that only 2 wins came without penalties - I'm not discounting penalties but it should be understood that this outlines our inability to create in-game.

Prior to this game, I think Watford had just a win this season, only scored 9 goals and bottom of the log yet, they trounced us 2 goals to the good. Another perspective is that he has won only 7% of his Premiere league games without penalties. This is an embarrassment to say the least.

Solskjaer has spent over £100m "improving" our defence last summer yet we keep conceding and we unfortunately are on a run - A run of 13 PL games without a clean sheet.

This season, We have 4 fewer points (25) than we did at last season (29), at which point Jose Mourinho was sacked.

Let's be honest. If Ole wasn't a club legend he would have been sacked long ago. Sentiment and denial are keeping him in the job. The games we've lost and lack of tactical nous exhibited by Solskjaer would have earned even a mid-table team's manager sacking.



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