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25 Nov 2019 10:22:19
The most worrying aspect for me isn’t the quality shortfall, it’s the attitude and application shortfall. Yesterday, as at Bournemouth we were very poor, the front 3 were static for the most part and only sprang into life briefly. Imagine if they had made those runs and looked that hungry for 90 minutes? This is a recurring theme for us, players who appear to not be giving 100% and there is no excuse for that.

Rashford looked out of sorts for a long time, then he found form and looked full of energy and running, played really well for England but then doesn’t keep it going. I’m not seeking to single 1 player out but I’m a huge fan of Rashford and he serves as a good example. Why was he not fired up and chomping at the bit, this will take us to 5th, then we get after the top 4, and so on?

There is something strong and has been for a long time, perhaps it is the lack of leaders we now have. Can you imagine Keane, Schmeichel, Neville, Giggs, plus a few more allowing team mates not to give their gain play to Le saying he could have taken them all off at half time but ultimately he has to fix this attitude issue. We may not have a n incredibly team but I still maintain this is a top 4 squad if they got their fingers out.

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25 Nov 2019 11:03:58
I am tired of people repeating the nonsense neville spouts as if its gospel, the front 3 were poor but much of that was down to the people behind them. All the front 3 were making runs but its impossible to keep making them if no ball ever comes to you.

Pereira was playing as the 12th man for sheffield, mostpasses made to martial, rashford or james rarelt came close to them. Crosses hardly ever beat the first man and when they did they ended up needing 9 ft players to get near them, through balls never happened.

Our front three create and score most of the goals, there is little to no help coming from the rest of the team in attacking areas. Its not effort its style, its ability, that's the problem here.

Running around like duracell bunny will not fix it if the player can't pass or control the ball.

25 Nov 2019 11:16:12
Is it an attitude and application issue or a coaching issue? .

Running around and making yourself available would certainly help but so would a more sophisticated attacking way of playing.

The way we build up play under ole is still basic at best and most of the time we resort to pumping the ball forwards. I don't blame martial and rashford for wondering what the point is when they are never going to be those type of forwards that excel under hoofball tactics.

Look at how liverpool build up play and get their forwards and full backs involved in their build up, its become second nature for them, they know where each other are going to be because they are committed to one way of playing especially when teams sit back.

Apart from counter attack into space, ole has not demonstrated one iota of coaching ability to break down defences that sit deep.

25 Nov 2019 11:27:14
AJH, the front three were making runs, Perreira and Fred just weren't picking them out, or even spotting them. Rashford had a go at Perreira in the first half for not seeing his run. And Martial looked furious at another point when a pass made to him was completely of the mark.

25 Nov 2019 11:28:12
I don't think we can blame the players here. You can say they aren't good enough or don't play well in a given system, but I just buy the argument that they aren't giving 100%.

Football is a team game, and if the team isn't set up effectively, players can find themselves without the opportunities to do what they're capable of.

The players didn't suddenly try harder after the substitution, just that the substitution changed the dynamic of the team and allowed those other players to play differently.

We have average to good players. A few are poor, a couple have huge potential. The reason I blame the manager is that it's his job to get the maximum from the team, and he fails in this regard.

I said the same in the chat yesterday. The squad is what it is, and the manager has demonstrated an inability to get the most out of them. A better manager makes the sum or the parts greater than the whole. This squad is probably about top 6. A great manager would maybe get them to top 3. A poor manager would maybe be top 10. We are 9th.

25 Nov 2019 11:34:14
RedD, what if this is the maximum a manager can get from this team?

25 Nov 2019 12:10:49
Countless times rashford made runs but the midfield would go backwards or sideways.

25 Nov 2019 12:10:50
Why would you assume that given a. The history and experience of the manager and b. The quality of the front 3.

And I say that because looking at these players, they shouldn't be 9th. We should be better than that, and I look at how other ma agers have come into clubs, given a style of play and sense of direction, and made them better. Ole hasn't been able to do that.

And if I'm wrong, and this is as good as we can get from this squad, the it doesn't really make a difference, we're screwed anyway.

25 Nov 2019 12:18:33
RedD, the manager has more experience than simply Cardiff, yet I do agree the front 3 are lethal. The problem is the service up to those front three. Without a solid midfield, we are a mid to Europa league team at best.

McTominay provides some service to the forwards, but Fred likes his side passing, Perreira likes to pass to no-one and Lingard doesn't like to pass at all. If anything yesterday showed just how important McTominay has been and how screwed we are without him, which effectively does make us screwed.

25 Nov 2019 14:56:38

How many teams above us at the table are truly or have better squad?

So, why are we under performing?

We are not fighting for the title but we are way better than the position we are in now.

The manager isn't getting the best from hid players.

25 Nov 2019 15:28:39
@IBEM why should these players be in a better position than they are now? Most of our squad is made up of young players with potential and mid-table level players, then people wonder why we are mid-table. I'm not even convinced players like Lingard and Perreira would feature regularly in a team like Newcastle.

25 Nov 2019 19:16:25
Arguably all. Burnley and Sheff Utd do not have the individual quality, but they have better mentalities and attitude, which are sometimes more important. I don't think Leicester had the best team in the league in 15/16, but they had a good mentality. Ranieri isn't the best manager in the world, so it can't all be credited to him. The only team above us that I would think maybe has the same kind of issues is Arsenal. City/ Liverpool/ Leicester/ Chelsea/ Wolves all have better all round squads.



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