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26 Aug 2019 10:47:31
Let's be honest, these types of results are going to continue for the duration of the season. The board have hung OGS out to dry, Lingard is still somehow a key component of Manchester United, there's no right sided player and no creativity apart from Pogba in midfield.

Good luck to OGS - I hope he makes it to the end of the season but I doubt it, especially with how unsettled Poch would appear to be.

Here's hoping for Maddison and Sancho next year to give us the creativity and balance we so badly need.

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26 Aug 2019 11:10:39
Without CL, it's difficult to lure the brightest talents.
Let's hope the youth players flourish and make a case for themselves.

26 Aug 2019 12:05:54
Not securing top 4 or Europa League victory will be a disaster and will confirm our position on footballs scrap heap.

26 Aug 2019 12:14:50
Fresh is correct.

26 Aug 2019 12:31:26
Fresh,

Football’s scrap heap?

So every team that isn’t in the CL is on football’s scrapheap? I don’t know why any of the other teams even bother.

26 Aug 2019 12:49:14
To go from where we were to where we are is shambolic my friend.

We couldn’t close the deals we needed to this summer, what makes you think another season of mediocrity will leave us in a better position next season?

For Manchester United it’s about competing for titles on these shores and abroad. We are no where near doing that. Everton, Leicester etc have as much chance as we do right now - so yes, scrap heap.

There’s no prizes for taking part nor is there any enjoyment.

26 Aug 2019 13:05:57
Fresh I get what your saying, but even I wouldn't say scrap heap.

26 Aug 2019 13:17:10
I think we might have to dust off the DQOTD award. Scrapheap?

26 Aug 2019 13:24:20
If you’re not winning titles or barely competing and you can’t attract the players how would you describe it?

It’s a pointless existence for a club like ours. Nevertheless, the corporate machine will continue churning and the on field fortunes will remain largely irrelevant.

26 Aug 2019 13:30:08
Many many fans of other clubs have always thrown the "glory supporter" tag at pretty much all of us at some point or another.

I always thought it was jealousy and bitterness. Yet actually reading through this site in the last season or so it seems quite clear that they might have had a point when calling many of our fans glory supporters.

Most said they just wanted to see an improvement this season, play some of the kids, play better football and build.

Yet after one loss and suddenly everyone is turning on the manager, throwing their toys out the pram like the spoilt little brats they are.

If not being in the UCL is being on the scrap heap then we have 138 professional football clubs in this country alone on the scrap heap, goodness knows how many there are world wide.

What do our supporters believe the motives are for the fans who support club's that have never won anything?

I spent some time living in Newcastle and I can guarantee you their fans would be over the moon to have anything like the kind of team and the performances from their team that we get to see from ours every week.

People talk about different expectations, yet they miss the point. Why should we have a god given right to win any match?

Liverpool and City are light years ahead of us at the moment, yet they will lose matches this season. Maybe even to Crystal Palace or a team of a similar level.

But to demand a manager gets sacked (especially one who is dedicated to the club) based on losing a game is hyperbolic to the extreme. And don't give me the crap about last season's results, had we thumped Palace 5-0 not one of you would have posted anything like you have about it.

Football goes in cycles, we are on a downward one at the moment. But stick with the club and you will see good times return again. Probably not this season, maybe not for 10 years. However, we have see more success in our life times at our club than any other fan of a English club has.

Grow up, suck it up and support the club. We are seeing green shoots of growth. But it takes time.

26 Aug 2019 13:40:33
Spot on Shappy.

26 Aug 2019 13:58:09
Shappy

I didn’t call for him after one defeat, it’s the 9 defeats since being made permanent and the lack of a CV. Ole Should never have been appointed, being dedicated as you put it should not keep him in a job.

You didn’t sit through all the 26 years of pain like some of us did, yours is the attitude that will actually take us to mediocrity, the it’s ok as long as people say the right things. That was the 70’s. SAF didn’t think like that, but he was a winner before us at a serious level, not the failed Cardiff manager.

26 Aug 2019 14:03:15
Shappy we are not Newcastle or Crystal Palace or any of the other 138 small clubs who haven't won anything, we are Manchester United, the most successful club in England, one of the 3 biggest football clubs in the world, but hey if you expect them to maybe win trophies apparently you are a glory hunter, please do explain the logic of this to me, to me fans should want their team to be successful but it seems you are reveling in our failure for some reason as if it gives you the true supporter badge or something if you don't complain about poor results.

There haven't been any posts wanting OGS sacked outside of you quoting imaginary people who want him sacked. Many don't think he is upto to the job and it is his job to prove us wrong. Also This isn't about 1 game, this is about not replacing Hererra when we let him leave, not replacing Lukaku when we sold him, this is about 3 wins in 15 games or i suppose Newcastle and 138 other clubs would be delighted to have a manager who has won only 3 of his last 15 games.

26 Aug 2019 14:24:38
Shappy,

With respect I think your post is largely soppy drivel.

We are Manchester United, the biggest club in the world. I don’t doubt that Newcastle would swap with us, but do we now measures ourselves on ‘but other teams fans would love to be competing for sixth’.

It’s not glory supporting and I am not a glory support, but thank you for the label. I expect better and am a winner. Maybe you’re not.

26 Aug 2019 14:43:50
Sounds like you are giving up Fresh. Are you?

26 Aug 2019 14:35:15
Red man, the day Ole got the job on a full time basis you said he shouldn't be given the job because in your eyes a good CV is vital in order to be a top manager. Both Pep and Zidane spent years with lower level club's winning top honours creating a great CV before they got their chances with two of the biggest clubs in world football. Oh wait they didn't. Well the lack of a great CV probably explains why both Pep and Zidane failed spectacularly at Barcelona and Real Madrid. Oh wait that didn't happen either. I guess a great CV isn't vital or at least not the be all and end all.

My attitude is I want the club to win. But I don't believe we have a god given right to win. It makes no difference if you can call us one of the biggest clubs in the world. I suppose how you rank us I subjective. If your looking at global fan base or brand appeal then yes we are one of the biggest clubs in the world. If your looking at league titles won? Well we have the most in England, yet we don't have the most of the British isles. Teams in Spain, Germany, France and Italy have more league titles than us. Plus sides all over the world also have more league titles than us. So do you look at European cups? Maybe not, as we don't come out top in that ranking either.

So let's not kid ourselves when we call ourselves one of the biggest clubs in the world we are talking about brand appeal and fan base. That does not give us a right to win all our matches and win a title every year. It doesn't even give us a right tone challenging for them.

There is an ugly arrogance from some fans who seem to think we should be.

Of course I want to see us challenge and compete. However, I want to see us do so in our own way. I want to see good football and trust in youth.

We are seeing a massive improvement in the quality of our football this season, plus a 17 year old has made the bench in every match and has played. Tuanzebe has been chosen ahead of Smalling, Jones and Rojo. We have named one of the youngest starting 11 every week in the EPL so far.

We are improving, it's just not quick enough for some fans or not flash enough with more expensive signings.

I agree not all things are rosy in our garden, yet green shoots of growth are visible. Let's just hope that some fans don't stamp them out.

{Ed047's Note - I must of somehow missed Guardiola and Zidane failing miserably with one of the smaller teams in La Liga then before they got the big jobs.

26 Aug 2019 14:36:38
I would not sack ole now. He needs a little more time to see if he can do any better than the last 6 months.
He will be a year in the job in in jan. If we are showing improvement and we are remaining competitive with Chelsea arsenal spurs then is the time too assess the job he has done.
The omens and trends don't look that bright to me at the moment.
Our 3 new signings look like our best players.
Martial and rash both look a bit better than last season
As for the rest I've seen nothing to encourage me greatly.
He does need more time. I honestly believe it will be a minor miracle if he keeps us competitive with our peers of even recent years.
But pep could have this lot playing well in 2 years? I doubt it. Awful midfield options awful rw options and awful no10 options and young at lb
To my mind ole needs to be more ruthless.
Is james our best left winger? If the answer is yes play him there even if it means moving rash to the right or greenwood.
Play pogba as a 10 because he will do more damage.
Here we are 1 injury and notsoyoung is back in the team.
Despite the 3 signings the squad is woefully short on quality.
If we don't start winning games consistently then ole will feel the heat. His record over the last 18 games is nothing short of embarrassing. The worst run in or entire history or damn near it. You see green shoots some other folk dont.
You have called for managers to be sacked and players to be sold many a time does that make you a spoilt little brat too?

{Ed047's Note - I wouldn’t either mate, sign him up for another 5 years asap ken. 😉

26 Aug 2019 14:49:33
As I am not a plastic fan and have supported United all my life, no, I won’t be giving up.

We can and should expect better though. Our wealth and our reach is second to none - we should be proud of that and exploit it. Not have silly fans think wanting to be back in the winners enclosure is glory supporting.

26 Aug 2019 14:57:41
For the record, I wouldn’t advocate letting OGS leave. Although 3 wins in 17 is relegation form - not even Newcastle would be envious of that Shappy.

We missed on the two best managers in recent years, Pep and Klopp. The only way I would let Ole go is when Poch becomes available whose model is perfect for us. We are where Spurs were prior to his taking over.

26 Aug 2019 15:01:49
Some of the comments on here. Utd did exist before Fergie. Yes, a lot of the preceding years weren't great in terms of trophies, but to describe it as pain, is such hyperbole. Especially when there's millions of people around the world in real pain. Its football, not life or death.

I loved some of the players and football before Fergie. Yes, trophies were in short supply, but we still played some wonderful, exciting football, and some of the players from the 70s and 80s are still my favourites, today.

Not all of us are trophy-obsessed. You can still get enjoyment from the football on offer, if its played with right intent and spirit. I think the obsession with trophies sometimes prevents people from actually enjoying the sport itself.

Ps. Arise, Sir Ben Stokes. What a game, what a player.

26 Aug 2019 15:20:10
Shappy

Nice to know you are looking at Barcelona and Madrid to talk about managers. Pep is at City having succeeded at Barcelona where he had Messi. Zidane succeeded at Madrid when had Ronaldo. So Shappy if Pep or Zidane have a 3 wins in 16 games do you think they would have been kept on at Barcelona or Madrid? How about City or Liverpool? Or how about Everton or Leicester?

People are infatuated with the idea that Ole is one of our own, it doesn’t matter about being successful anymore as long as we can get all sentimental about our manager. Saf came in with a very good CV. City chose Pep based on what he had done, Liverpool chose Klopp based on his CV, even Brendan Rodgers has a better CV than Ole.

How many other teams in the Premier League would have appointed Ole, other than sentimental emotional United? None.

I hope we win on Saturday but if we lose no matter how much emotion is put out there Ole will be under extreme pressure and that is because he has no history of turning it round at our level, that’s why CV is important, because players will need to believe he knows what he is talking about and I am not convinced they do.

26 Aug 2019 15:22:02
Some amount of hypocrites on this site.

26 Aug 2019 15:31:01
They didn't seem to believe what Jose was talking about, even with his great CV.

26 Aug 2019 15:17:27
Fresh, have you nothing fresh to say?
We all see what you see but overreaction by the many in a hasty fashion will only bring about the demise of yet another manager and another rebuild from scratch.
Scrapheap? If this sort of reaction is taken up by the many we just end up where you wrongly think we already.
I am definitely of the older generation who just don't get the insistence of instant gratification at all levels of society. If we don't have patience we will get absolutely nowhere. Rant over.

26 Aug 2019 15:19:47
Fresh, in this instance your arrogance is blinding.

How are we the biggest club in the world? Most league titles? Nope. Most European cups? Nope. Most domestic cups? Nope.

You believe we are the biggest club based on brand appeal and world wide fan base.

Well lucky for you we still have that brand appeal and fan base. So we are competing at the things that give us the title of "worlds biggest club".

I'm not quite sure how what I wrote could be considered "soppy". However, our club has always carried a lot of emotion with it. The Busby babes and the Munich air crash. The club crashing after the loss of a legendary manager and rising from the ashes like phoenix under a young progressive manager who would go on to write his own legend.

It's an emotional story. Yet stomping your feet after a loss to Palace isn't in keeping with our history. Not backing a manager who as a player gave us one of our greatest moments isn't in keeping with our history. Throwing your toys out of the pram because the club didn't make another two or THREE 50m+ signings this summer is pathetic and not in keeping with our history. This is especially shown up as arrogance and pathetic when you contrast it with Bury's currently situation. A club I might add that we have close links to.

If you don't like anything about the club then go and support a club with things you do like about them.

26 Aug 2019 15:43:40
Nou

And that is when the club should have stood with the manager and sacked the errant players not the other way round. We know Mourinho would have won trophies, big ones, he won two with us, but he knew what was required, he had done it at different clubs. Ole knows the Norwegian league and I would bet that is in the players mind

Great knock by Stokes, greatest Test innings ever.

26 Aug 2019 15:53:15
Shappy
Good post that pal .
"A pointless existence " imagine the million of fans who support there club because it is there club .
Not because it's a club that owns things.

26 Aug 2019 15:58:37
Would love to read a rag that has a go at Spurs for losing to Newcastle.

26 Aug 2019 16:09:33
It all boils down to mentality.

There’s winner and losers, we are currently losers and we shouldn’t be. Fans who think it’s wonderful that’s it’s wonderful an ex player is in charge is deluded. Stop living in the past.

26 Aug 2019 16:10:20
Red Man, do you really think Jose would have stayed around long enough to win big trophies? Did his form with other clubs not maybe make you think it would all go skewiff at the three year mark?

26 Aug 2019 16:11:53
This qhole discussion makes me laugh. It is the same suspects baccking Ole and acting like the smart one and telling us to be patient and good times will come and at the same time telling posters to go support another club.

Everyone is entitled to their own view and just because it doesn't matches yours it doest mean that is anything less correct then your opinion.

We are one of the biggest club in the and are currently being run like a institution then a footie club and people are still finding positives and preaching us to be patient.

😂😂😂

It is the same people that were aginst Mourinho are the same people that have boners over Ole at midnight because he scored that goal.

26 Aug 2019 16:13:03
I think Fresh has gone into hiding. He's had an overdose of common sense.

26 Aug 2019 16:24:54
I do love the ‘if you don’t agree with me go support another club’. Incredibly childish for a ‘respected’ poster.

My support of the club will not waiver, I just don’t have to agree with the sail that has been set. The board has morning backed the last manager properly and is doing the same this time around. Appointing Ole was an unavoidable mistake that, since his appointment, has back fired. His record is not too dissimilar to his record at Cardiff.

I also maintain that we are on our way to the scrap head of former big clubs. Poorly managed and fans who are living in the past and hoping SAF is going to be reincarnated in Ole.

26 Aug 2019 16:30:40
Same suspects on both sides, Singh.

26 Aug 2019 16:33:32
That goal. You mean the one that won us a major trophy that some people get boners about?

26 Aug 2019 16:42:02
Telling people to go and support someone else indicate losing the argument. I don’t think it is appropriate.

Nou
I don’t know Mourinho but I recognise the driven individual type and he had a history of getting success. We will never know if he wanted to stay but the opposite is supporting Ole based on emotion.

Singh
Good points. Maybe the years in the 70’s and 80’s with people telling us to be patient, then finding it was another false dawn makes some of us realise platitudes don’t win trophies. They told us to be patient with Sexton. The club is having the same issues it experienced after Busby but being blindly patient without good reason is foolhardy and it takes us down the road Liverpool experienced.

26 Aug 2019 16:54:40
Lol great thread, now we all must agree we are miles off, and I don't think we will make top 4, now ole isn't going to be the manager to get us back to the top.
The only thing I can say here and have said it for a few years is, it isn't going to be a quick fix, it looks like it's going to be a very slow fix from top to bottom.

26 Aug 2019 17:14:47
So you accept the owners are crap, Woodward is rubbish at his job, most of the squad are crap, we failed to offload several of these players, when we did we didn't replace them, and we didn't sign enough in the summer. And your solution to that is to sack the manager? Bizarre.

26 Aug 2019 17:18:32
Leahy

It won’t be a quick fix but at least put the right strategy, plans and people in place who know what they are doing. If people think about this logically, we have thrown our all behind the failed Cardiff manager and Norwegian minnow manager to restore greatness to OT. If you read that and don’t think it is utterly ridiculous then you can only be blinded by sentiment.

{Ed047's Note - when OGS is done it makes perfect sense to bring Gary Neville in, his CV is a match for Ollie’s.

26 Aug 2019 17:37:09
I know its the same suspect on both sides Noucamp that's why its laughable for telling people to stop voicing yheir opinion or go support another manager.

Calling us glory hunter is absoultely disgraceful behaiviour.

26 Aug 2019 18:08:13
Ed047

True, you would love that but Gary Neville didn’t score any emotional goals to make people feel all warm inside. Let’s think of someone who scored an important goal and promote them to Manager. Suggestions are open for next Manager but the CV must give sentimental United fans a warm emotional glow, enabling thoughts of the past. How about Mark Robins?

{Ed047's Note - Ahh I’d forgotten that very important point Red, lots of ours clamoured for Henry, Vieira or Berkamp but it so often doesn’t count for shizzle.

I know I jest somewhat but how you haven’t got a top top manager I have no idea.

I don’t count Mourinho because after the Chelsea fiasco I had a feeling he was going to bomb.

I’m yet to be convinced with Emery, his CV may have 3 Europa leagues on it but that just smacks of the 5th and 6th place trophy.

I’d have to think Allegri for you guys. I still can’t believe you didn’t get Klopp or Guardiola.

26 Aug 2019 18:22:55
Red man, I don't think ole is the right man. I think we need a dof in first, then we go from there.
Because right now it's not working.

26 Aug 2019 18:38:13
Ed047

Yes Allegri seems the most obvious right now especially as he is on sabbatical, however, despite all the trophies you will get the Ole lovers on saying he doesn’t have DNA or play pretty football. Poch would be criticised because lovely Ole had been deposed by him. At least your club hasn’t bowed to emotional calls for ex players. Emery is also a bit tied by the spending yet at least he has some pedigree. I think he is not great but he can be canny, yet you have a leaky defence. I have to agree on the level of manager we should have had but how many times did I say on here that lvg should have been laying the foundations for Pep.

Leahy
We need a DOF who reports direct to the board, not Woodward, so unlikely to happen right now. I suspect a fudge appointment, someone who can “work closely with Ole”, in other words won't push too hard financially or want to take the club in a direction someone has already decided upon.

26 Aug 2019 20:22:31
Yes I clearly remember writing tk the club saying please puck this guy as manager because he scored a goal. Pathetic. What happened to supporting the club?

26 Aug 2019 21:25:00
Interesting debate personally I don't really care about cv or sentimentality for former players . there's probably a dozen or so clubs around Europe where when a manager takes a job, he knows he will be paid well, have money to spend and performance, results and league position will dictate how long he is there, United are one of those clubs and we are not unique .
Give the man a fair chance and get behind him and hopefully good things will happen, if he comes up short no matter what we think his days will be numbered . I think too early to make any judgements yet .

26 Aug 2019 23:45:23
If we pay attention to Jose cv it shows that he has a major issue in his 3rd season .
Everyone supports a football team for different reason, if you support united because we wins things and you want to support a team that wins things that's fine .
Just be honest about it, I don't think its a big deal.

26 Aug 2019 23:52:00
No manager is a guaranteed success, for all of jose amazing cv he never really got good us playing good footy.
I like what slate has said above I also like the direction we have taken this season it's a step in the right direction imo .

27 Aug 2019 16:21:19
Redman I would of liked poch to replace jose, you argued at the time he hadn't won anything?

27 Aug 2019 19:19:06
Jred

I said Poch hadn’t won anything but was a dark horse for the job when we appointed Mourinho, let alone replace him, maybe he wasn’t quite ready then, since then he has built something at Spurs and got to the CL final without spending anything. I can’t say i haven’t said it was a worry Poch hasn’t won anything but at some point that will change and quite possibly spectacularly. He does give youth a chance and there is a nice fit with us, he has shown he can build a structure, have a pattern of play that was seen quickly and built upon. I think I actually didn’t argue against Poch after Mourinho because I was arguing we should have a process that included interviewing Poch. I am sure you can check my posts.







 

 

 
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