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18 Aug 2019 22:38:56
Angel red, the ref ruined it, a few years ago that wouldn't even have been a booking,
Var is it a good thing or a bad thing, depends of the side of the decision your on.
For me I don't like it full stop.

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19 Aug 2019 06:35:49
Yeah, was ruined there and then.

I'm not sure the ref has access to look back at it has he? I think the linesman made that call. Anyway, we will be in better shape next year.

19 Aug 2019 10:59:58
I love VAR, think it’s great for the game, knowing I’ll never leave a game having been done by an offside goal or a last minute winner that shouldn’t have stood. You should win a game of football fairly not because a linesman or ref made a stupid error (which was happening far too often)

It will still get things wrong in some people’s eyes as some decisions are a matter of opinion but it will get most things right.

People saying they can’t celebrate a goal anymore don’t make any sense to me, 27 goals in week 1 of the prem and 2 were disallowed (correctly), so 25/ 27 goals absolutely fine, seems like good enough odds to me, celebrate away.

There are still teething problems and things to iron out but I think the majority of people are complaining because they don’t like change, even if it’s clearly for the better. Embrace it, it’s here to stay and working well.

{Ed001's Note - how do you know 2 were disallowed correctly? The margin of error for VAR on offsides is bigger than the distance offside Sterling was, for example. So he could have been onside and the VAR could have been wrong. It is not infallible.}

19 Aug 2019 11:06:50
Yeah, big report in the paper about the inaccuracies of it. Not often I agree with Danny Murphy, but if you have to look at it for 5 minutes from all sorts of angles, it hardly screams out clear and obvious.

19 Aug 2019 11:24:20
VAR destroys the emotion factor.
Almost after every goal there is an uncertainity.

19 Aug 2019 11:35:48
Gds2, that goal that was disallowed for city, would you have went home happy if that was united, cause I wouldn't.

19 Aug 2019 12:14:12
Do we still use a pigs bladder for a ball? What about leather boots? Metal studs? Are the kits made out of heavy cotton?

No, the world has moved on and new technologies have been exploited. Things are never perfect the first time you come up with an idea, you need to develop it. Often it can only be developed properly in the real world.

It will take time and the technology and the application of that technology to perfect. After all we still keep rewriting the offside rule.

The issue is when a match is reviewed and by video over and over again then it is only fair that the officials have access to the same technology to make their decisions.

VAR will be of a huge benefit to the game, there will be mistakes but there should be less mistakes in the decisions this season than we saw last season.

19 Aug 2019 12:46:11
Score a goal, run to the fans celebrate take of your shirt go mad,
Var, sorry kid no goal, your mates nose was offside.

19 Aug 2019 12:47:45
At the end of the day, most of the decisions have been correct, apart from say one or two contentious handball decisions.

{Ed001's Note - the handball decisions were correct according to the laws of the game.}

19 Aug 2019 12:55:28
Wouldn’t have gone home happy as the goal got disallowed but I wouldn’t have gone home happy if the linesman had given it offside last season. At least now I’d go home knowing that it was disallowed because technology said so rather than thinking it could have been totally wrong. From the technology available it was offside and that is what we have to go from, it’s more accurate than the eye of a linesman guessing as to whether it’s correct in my opinion.

I know we will have got decisions for us that would have been disallowed over the years but the one that I will probably never get over is the Paul scholes offside against Porto where he was a good 2 yards on side and we went on to lose the game in the last minute. It still upsets me watching that now as I think we would have gone on and won the CL that year with the teams that were left. I left the ground that day absolutely distraught knowing that we lost not because we weren’t good enough but because a linesman made a huge error. Things like that are why I am for VAR, I want to feel like things are fair.

19 Aug 2019 12:55:42
VAR is the sterilisation of football. Instead of celebrating a goal you will just be looking up at screen for 5 minutes. It has gone too far.

19 Aug 2019 13:14:27
Just take the city goal that was disallowed, would anyone even have questioned that one, before var no one would have gave that one a second thought.

19 Aug 2019 13:50:37
25/ 27 goals in week one were given, so 93% of time you can celebrate so might as well celebrate and if it’s disallowed then fair enough, I’m yet to see a player or fan not celebrate despite hearing people saying they won’t be able to anymore if I’m honest. Hyperbole like everything else. No different to celebrating then a late flag goes up and you didn’t notice, you’re still getting all the emotions of it, it’s just a bit different to before, it certainly isn’t killing the game, people will just get used to it.

19 Aug 2019 14:09:17
That's what I was saying ed, by the letter of the law, but they have had so many different interpretations of the handball rule in the last few seasons that fans are still debating the handball decisions.

19 Aug 2019 14:13:02
I hate VAR because part of football are the errors and injustices that make up football lore and legend. They're not pleasant when you're on the receiving end, but generally what goes around comes around.

Life and football are more fun when there are grey areas. The rawness and the immediacy are part of what makes football so exiting. Human error is a key part of the game.

Redman is correct when he calls it sterilisation. Does every aspect of life have to invaded by technology then analysed to the nth degree?

19 Aug 2019 14:21:18
It's supposed to be clear and obvious errors but some of them don't look particularly clear or obvious to me.

The handball rule is just a stupid rule, if its outside the box handball isn't given but inside the box it rules out a goal, very odd. Nobody appeals, nobody thinks anything was wrong and then a guy in the studio says no goal.

As for offside, if you are leaning beyond the player you can be offside irrespective of where your feet are.

I know its newbut it seems pretty farcical to me, there is huge inconcistency already, stone cold penalty not given at the wekeend and VAR.

19 Aug 2019 14:31:05
I don't know, I just think it's var from OK.

19 Aug 2019 14:34:49
It is not the issue with VAR that is crazy at the moment. It is the new silly handball rule that was brought in to make decisions more black and white so that VAR would work. Why could we not just stick with the intensional handball rule? The two contentious ones for me have been the two unintentional handball calls. And yes, I know the rule changed, but I just don't know why.

19 Aug 2019 14:39:49

People are using the clear and obvious thing as a stick to beat it with without quite understanding it. Every goal is checked, if there is a reason to disallow it then it will disallowed no matter how clear and obvious. Handball and offside are a matter of fact, if it's wrong it is clear. The clear and obvious comes in with things like the handball by a defender or the push in the city game where the ref had seen the incidents and didn't give it.

19 Aug 2019 15:31:41
Nice one Leahy 😂.

19 Aug 2019 16:42:06
I think at the moment it spoils it, you can't really celebrate a goal u till it's been checked by VAR.
I also don't really like the black and white of it, in real time as it happens the city goal is never a handball. If you have to slow it down and watch it frame by frame it's not a handball imo . Plenty will disagree.

19 Aug 2019 17:23:02
Mancman, football isn't like it was during its inception.

Do you have that technology has improved to speed of the game, with better boots, footballs and even grass?

The issues with the contentious decisions only really come about due to the number of cameras in a stadium and the fact fans are now totally aware that a decision was wrong and it went against them.

You don't get the same kind of fall out from a bad decision in games that aren't recorded. Sometimes in the stadium you can see a call was wrong, or you might "feel" it was the wrong call. But without video evidence to go over and slow down and check from different angles you will never "know" if it is the wrong call.

The solution is simple either that video evidence needs to be available to the referees so they can make the right call, or it shouldn't be available to fans so they won't know if it was the wrong call.

It's not fair to have access to to technology then berate the official for making the wrong call when they don't have access to that technology.

The only thing that filters down through the leagues is the aggression towards officials due to fans knowing how many wrong calls are made at the highest level.

19 Aug 2019 17:33:17
It doesn't matter how slow you look at it if it hits the hand then its hand ball.
The law is what it is. The var official has got to uphold the laws of the game.
Imo both the offside and handball laws need tweaking or at least clarity.
Imo offside should only be given if there is clear daylight between the attacker and last defender. I. e. if any part of you is inside them you shall be deemed onside.
On handball i have no idea how to deem what is or isn't handball. Much tougher to get right.
Var is new it will evolve. Technology will improve.
Its not perfect at the moment but its more perfect than no VAR. Imo
I still prefer the system of a set amount of reviews in the game like in tennis or cricket.

19 Aug 2019 17:47:16
Shappy 8 kniw what your trying to say but if everything in life was perfect we might as well all sit down,
Now when your team scores your first reaction is to jump up cheering, get that immediate buzz, same for the players, var wait 5 minutes, goal a dead round of applause.
Its that immediate buzz var will kill.
Let the ref and linesmen get it right or wrong. that way it always was and always should be,

19 Aug 2019 17:57:11
Not a lot to disagree with there ken. Although I'm not sure on the teams having a number of calls.

It could be misused in the event of a team trying to run down the clock or disrupt a teams rhythm in the last ten minutes when holding on to a result. A bit like holding the ball in the corner to waste time. (Actually a friend of mine said why don't they just paint a semi circle from the corner flag and your not allowed to enter that for the last ten minutes to stop players being able to do it) .

Also what happens in the event of a contentious game and a clear and obvious mistake is made after all your calls have been used?

I think VAR is a good thing, but it will take time to get right. Maybe it should only be used for clear and obvious mistakes that happen in the final third. Maybe some of the laws need adjusting to suit the way the game has changed due to VAR.

19 Aug 2019 18:17:34
The hand ball should be hand to ball, not ball to hand, if a player puts his hands behind his back and the ball hits hand that's never a hand ball,
And now defenders are trying to defend keeping their balance and they have to put their hands behind their back, a joke.

19 Aug 2019 19:23:24
I agree I think it's a bit nuts at the moment.

19 Aug 2019 20:18:32
Thought the issue was the rule change regarding handball. Not so much the VAR.

19 Aug 2019 22:59:00
But Shappy, the refereeing errors give us so much to talk about, so much contraversy. I don't want to lose that from the game because it makes it much more interesting. I love that the officials can make a random howler because they are human beings.

So far, VAR has added nothing good. Sure, we have a few close decisions which have been 'corrected' but the way it affects the flow of the game means it's not worth it.

Also, this stupid new handball rule has to go. Plus Booking players for 'deliberate' handball also has to stop. All handball is deliberate by definition of the rule; it shouldn't be an automatic booking. Wan Bissaka was booked for it this evening; a terrible decision.

One final thing is the use of big screens in stadiums. Fortunately there are none at OT. Long may it stay that way.

20 Aug 2019 11:15:27
I agree leahy its the law that is wrong. The refs are only implementing the law as it's written. You can't blame the refs.



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