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19 Jul 2019 15:41:06
So Pogba wants to leave, that has been made clear to the club for over a year. Last season he was at the heart of all the dressing room problems which cost Mourinho his job (although Jose didn't help the situation) .

Apparently the club are considering a plan to price Pogba out of a move. Which Ed002 has said is a dumb move, something I fully agree with.

Now I wonder how commited the teams in for Pogba truly are to signing him. Supposedly there is a split of opinion between the president and the manager of Real Madrid over signing him. And considering the amount of money they have already spent it doesn't look like they are prioritising Pogba. Juventus are the other side with an interest. However, they have signed Ramsey and Raboit already on free transfers, which will inflate their wage bill which will have taken a huge hit with CR7 last summer. Do they really have the appetite or the ability to "Go big" for Pogba?

So this leads nicely to the question I want to ask my fellow posters. If we are to sell Pogba this summer, all things considered, what is the minimum amount you feel would be acceptable?

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19 Jul 2019 15:57:43
I’d personally take £120m minimum. I know some people may laugh at that but I think that’s a good return on someone who is immensely talented but annoyingly inconsistent. He doesn’t want to stay and I think all parties win if a deal like that goes through. The key is if he doesn’t get his move, how he will react. Can’t say I have the biggest faith in him to knuckle down and gives his all. But I hope we get his future sorted out one way or another.

19 Jul 2019 15:58:37
if the club get what we paid, get rid as quickly as possible.

19 Jul 2019 16:03:36
I am struggling to see where Pogba fits at Juve with there signings so rule that one out. Real is a possibility but don't see them willing to spend the money to get him in and unless we get Assensio I don't want swap. Psg I don't think is realistic option for him.
So valuation. Figures banded around are reduculous. I think that £120m is about right.

{Ed002's Note - Juventus are still interested. But they want to use players in Exchange plus cash.}

19 Jul 2019 16:10:10
120 - 130 million.

19 Jul 2019 16:16:18
Today market nothing less than 130mil, I don't think he will move this summer .
I also thinking far to much is being made of comments by certain individuals.

19 Jul 2019 16:42:13
I'd take what we paid, hardly set the world alight since has he.

19 Jul 2019 16:31:00
002 who are the players they are considering to swap if not too much to ask?

{Ed002's Note - They hav plenty of players available including the likes of Joao Cancelo (RB), Rogerio (LB), Miralem Pjanic (DM/CM), Sami Khedira (CM), Douglas Costa (RW). Paulo Dybala (AM/F),Moise Kean (S), Gonzalo Higuain (S) etc..

19 Jul 2019 16:33:22
Ed02 - now that Sarri is the manager has the list of players they are willing to part exchange changed at all?

{Ed002's Note - No.}

19 Jul 2019 16:50:17
The market prices for the top players seems to be a little cooler. Ideally I would take Dybala and £100million although I don't think it's realistic as the market stands. There hasn't been one mega deal so far this window. The other caveat I would add is that I would only let Pogba go if we had another really good midfielder lined up. If we cannot get a replacement in what's the point in selling at all.

19 Jul 2019 17:03:26
depends on how much commercial success he attracts. I'd offer a 4 year deal to him and send him on a single season loan for a fee of £30m to Real Madrid should be sufficient. If he goes to Real Madrid he will probably win the league and be a success which should improve his market value which is why I'd loan him out for a year.

19 Jul 2019 17:32:48
My opinion, no player exchange, 130 mil.

19 Jul 2019 17:52:43
The two stand out names to me on Ed002 list above are Miralem Pjanic and Dybala. Theses are players that fans would've been happy being linked to, pre transfer window rumblings of fernandes, longstaff etc. They would certainly improve the squad although Miralem Pjanic, is about 28/ 29 so probably doesn't fit the "younger " player profile we are looking to.
I am starting to believe that if we don't consider players + cash deals we may be left with an unhappy pogba and lukaku who really want to be away: that would be catastrophic for moral in the squad.

{Ed002's Note - You are right - Inter want Lukaku but have now someone else in mind.}

19 Jul 2019 17:56:08
I'd take 100 Mill and pjanic or moise kean, kean looks like he is going to be a beast.

{Ed002's Note - Kean will head eslewhere. MU has no interest in Pjanic and he won;t want to drop down a level. These numbers are stupid.}

19 Jul 2019 17:57:41
My take is we overpaid for him when we signed him for 89m. Therefore, if we can get that back then great.

However, in an ideal world the club would like to at least be seen to make a profit to save face a little.

I would avoid taking a player in exchange, if that player isn't good enough for a rival (either due to talent or attitude) then we shouldn't be taking them off their hands.

Does anyone else feel that 89m was too much for Pogba at the time?

19 Jul 2019 18:07:41

What’s the point in dragging it out for the sake of pride?

Get rid, and replace asap. The figures above are just dumb. We have a player that wants to leave, and is a negative influence at the club. His value can only decrease.

I still haven’t see anyone provide an actual reason to keep him.

19 Jul 2019 18:09:06
Hi ed 002, i read today that united had revived their interest in dybala and the turkish cb just signed by juve demiral.
Do you know if these juve players are of interest to united?

{Ed002's Note - Dybala has been of long term interest but I am sure he will not want to drop down a level and move to Manchester. He is available and obviously there have been lengthy discussions with another side. Demiral has been subject to an enquiry from another side but they have been scared off by the asking price as Juventus do not want to sell - and he has moved to be part of what will be a complete new central defence within 13 months.}

19 Jul 2019 18:12:00
Juve and Real aren’t rivals Shappy.

They are teams competing for domestic titles and champions league.

We are a team struggling to finish in the top four, and attempting to rebuild. The fact that people still think that we can be compared to the biggest clubs in Europe shows that people still have heads up backsides.

19 Jul 2019 18:32:11
Thing is if they don't want us, why sign? Di maria all over again. We are no longer the pull that we once was which is understandable and is why i imagine we are refraining from these types of deals. 002 is spot on, we are now a step down. like it or lump it its the truth, avoid them at all costs imo. i would take the fee we paid for him to let him go and invest it in sms or bruno. or both. but then again i don't run the club or its finances. i think keeping pogba would be a travesty and now we see lukaku being priced out of a move. sell them and move on. we have made far too many mistakes as it is right now. sell and recoup what we can, pay for players who want to wear the badge.

19 Jul 2019 18:46:09
Thanks ed002.

19 Jul 2019 19:14:45
Absolutely rubbish we are not a step down and firmly remain one of the biggest Clubs in the World. We've had a turbulent few years but we still remain a massive attraction for a lot of players. We need some stability and we need to get back to performing at a more consistent level whilst looking to improve, re shape and re build the squad over the next few windows. There will be no quick fix and we must build slowly and methodically.

Despite naive posts to the contrary Pogba is still by far our best player. Put energy and legs around him and he'll be fine.

Due to his contractual situation we are in a strong position.

Whilst we need to re-build I've warned before about doing this too quickly. We can't afford to lose Herrera, Pogba and Lukaku in the same window as I have no confidence they can all be adequately replaced with only 3 weeks of the window remaining.

Whilst players such as James, Greenwood and even targets such as Longstaff look promising we can't rely on unproven and inexperienced players to carry a Club the size of Utd on their young shoulders. It's unrealistic and unfair.

If we can add Maguire and Fernandez whilst keeping Pogba and Lukaku we'll be in a strong position. I understand the arguments about supposedly keeping players against their wishes but they were happy to sign long term contacts at the Club knowing the potential consequences. I expect all players to be professional and give their best. Lukaku must fight for his place in the team and competition is normal at a big Club. He should embrace it and prove he's the the best. To become a professional player takes sacrifice and dedication. All professional players are fiercely competitive and I don't believe for one minute any player runs onto the pitch wanting to lose or purposely plays badly because they've been denied a move. To suggest such is disrespectful and just plain wrong.

Next season we can look to replace them if needed whilst hopefully being able to offer Champions League football. We have the Euro's to keep them motivated for those who still believe they will down tools and sulk. Fernandez will have had a year to settle and the likes of James and Greenwood will be another year into their development.

What we needed this summer was to build and improve on what we've got whilst trimming the squad and getting rid of players on the periphery like Darmian, Rojo etc not losing our biggest asset's.

I understand this will be an unpopular opinion but in the short term I firmly believe we'll be better off with Pogba and Lukaku still at the Club for another season whilst we continue to re build. Those who say otherwise are mistaken in my opinion and will be the first to lament a lack of quality and creativity. We all like to play fantasy football but if you believe we'll get adequate replacements whilst adding to what we've already got in 3 short weeks your living in dream land. let's try and cement top 4 and build from a position of strength and stability not confusion and chaos!

{Ed002's Note - The club are a step down - no Champions league football means there are players who will simply not be interetsed. You need to lose the arrogance.}

19 Jul 2019 19:29:42
Europa league is a step down, we have a europa league side on champions league wages.

19 Jul 2019 20:11:27
DLIB - Living in denial mate. Assuming you're not a top international player looking for a move, how can you possibly come to the conclusion that Utd are an attractive proposition to such players? No champions league, some poor players mixed with a bit of 'potential', an inexperienced manager and the best player wants to leave! The club's name? Well, if you're an international footballer then you probably would've seen/ heard as much, or more, from City, Chelsea, Spurs and Liverpool in Europe for the past 2/ 3 seasons. The club needs a plan and the right people to carry it out, and the time to do it. But it won't happen because most fans won't give it the time it needs. So the endless and unrealistic pressure on the manager and players will weigh too heavily on the team and prove to be a huge obstacle to progress. It seems like a lot of people can get with the idea of taking a few seasons to steady the ship, get in the right management, promote youth etc. But in reality, they'd be calling for blood after a few months and some defeats. If Utd are ever going to climb back to the top of the pile again it's going to take time. Like 4/ 5 seasons. People just need to be realistic.

19 Jul 2019 20:11:37
I'm not sure it's arrogant to suggest that one of the most famous, wealthy, successful and best supported Clubs in the World remain a big attraction for the vast majority of players. We consistently have one of the highest average attendances in Europe, pay large wages, have millions of supporters across the globe, have the ability to significantly increase a players profile and sponsorship opportunities, I could go on but you get the drift. Of course some players might wish to play elsewhere buts that's always been the case even when we were successful. Some players prefer the sun on their backs and the sand under their feet no doubt. Are you suggesting some players might choose the likes of Leipzig, Leverkusen, Benfica, Valencia, Celtic etc over Utd just because for one season we've not qualified. I think despite not being in the Champions League this year we still remain a more attractive option than most of the other Clubs in the competition for the vast majority of players. I'm not suggesting that at this moment in time Utd might be considered a step some for some players but surely we remain a persuasive option for the vast majority.

Anyway enjoy your weekend it will be interesting to see how things turn out!

19 Jul 2019 20:14:51
I think we will be better of keeping them 2 for a further season .
Time will tell.
Did DDG not want to leave?

19 Jul 2019 20:43:58
Jred - Exactly pal of course things could turn sour but all things considered I don't think it would be the disaster some are predicting if both Pogba and Lukaku remained at the Club. We'd undoubtedly miss Pogba's creativity and Lukaku's goals and I'm just not convinced we'll get adequate replacements in time and undertaking such a big squad overhaul in one window is a big ask. Let's look to consolidate, try to play with more energy and intensity and cement that top 4 finish and build from there.

19 Jul 2019 20:54:51
Keeping Pogba would be a massive mistake.

Pogba wanted to leave last summer, the club blocked a move to Barcelona. Pogba threw his toys out the pram and that resulted in Mourinho losing his job and the club finishing outside of the UCL places.

Why do people feel Pogba will act differently this year if the club again block his move away from the club?

If people want a repeat of last season then fine, but I'd like to see good football, players trying hard and no dressing room drama.

19 Jul 2019 21:23:10
DLIB, it wouldn't matter if Lukaku proved he was the best striker in the world, he's still a completely wrong fit for the type of football Ole is looking the team to play. I've nothing against him. He's a good striker when conditions suit, but I think he and everyone else knows, he's not the type of striker that's going to get many games in this style of play. It's not his fault, it's just the way it is.

19 Jul 2019 21:36:07
Shappy - sometimes you give your opinion like it's fact pal. What if Pogba has a great season would it still be a massive mistake? We simply won't know until this time next season and all we're doing is merely speculating as to what might happen. Statistically speaking Pogba actually enjoyed his best season at the Club last year and played some of his best football. He has a different relationship with OGS than Mourinho.

I understand people's reservations but if Pogba is sold he must be replaced and so must Lukaku. Obtaining replacements of similar quality at this late stage will prove extremely difficult and highly unlikely in my opinion. If Pogba and Lukaku both leave we'll need to replace 25 league goals and at least 9 assists. Replicating such numbers won't be easy and don't forget we only finished 6th last season. It remains my view that we are still a much better team with Pogba rather than without him.

So fantasy football time assuming Pogba and Lukaku are sold how would you replicate those numbers? Who would you sign to replace them whilst also building on what we've already got.

It's my opinion that if we signed Maguire and Fernandez whilst keeping Lukaku and Pogba we'd be in a much stronger position than the likes of Chelsea and Arsenal for that top 4 position and would conceivably be well placed to push Spurs for 3rd. Of course this is only my opinion but the additions of AWB, Maguire and Fernandez would significantly improve our starting 11 leading me to believe we'll get substantially more points.

19 Jul 2019 21:55:17
Again a good point.

19 Jul 2019 22:28:49
DDG wanted to leave but he is an absolute professional. The other one is a numpty.

19 Jul 2019 22:31:05
DLIB, you want to replace 25 goals a d 9 assists if Pogba and Lukaku leave.

Well didn't Bruno Fernandes score 32 and assist 14 last season?

Also you are ignoring the fact that when a big player leaves often another steps up.

Why wouldn't Rashford score 25 next season. Why wouldn't Martial surpass his 17 goals he scored in his first season?

Ed002 has said it would be a very bad/ stupid idea if the club blocked/ priced Pogba out of a move. He had been spot on about most things.

19 Jul 2019 22:47:30
Bruno has scored nothing in the epl .

19 Jul 2019 23:41:00
£10 billion and not a penny less. That'll show em.

19 Jul 2019 23:58:43
Shappy - Fernandez won't score 32 goals and get 14 assists from midfield in his first season that would be unprecedented and he's not even a Utd player yet. I expect more from Martial and Rashford next season and I think if they can both contribute between 15-20 league goals each (big ask) we can be very satisfied but if you added Pogba and Lukaku to those figures we'd be in a much stronger position.

Who else are you expecting to step up or are you going to place unrealistic and unfair demands on the likes of James and Greenwood? Lingard has never managed more than a handful of goals, Mata is ageing or maybe your relying on the reincarnation of Alexis Sanchez.

By my maths if Rashford and Martial both got another 7-8 goals each more than last season (big ask) and Fernandez signs and gets 10-12 in his first season (big ask) we're about par and certainly not better off in a season where we need to improve not stand still. I accept this is money ball nonsense but I believe my point is pertinent we'll struggle without Pogba and Lukaku next season without adequate replacements and even then they'll have to hit the ground running.

In my opinion it's much better to keep Pogba and Lukaku plus getting Fernandez and hoping Martial and Rashford improve we'd have a much better chance of getting into the top 4.

Would it be a mistake if Maguire stayed at Leicester or Zaha at Palace for example? it's Ed002 opinion and I can see the logic in his argument but it's merely his opinion and not fact. Should Clubs give in to every player who decide they want to leave despite signing long contracts? Pogba could go on to have a successful and productive season and as I've explained its my opinion that the advantages probably outweigh the disadvantages at this moment in time. Only time will tell and I'm not saying I'm right just expressing my opinion and trying to articulate the reasons behind it the best I can pal. Anyway it's always good to enjoy a fierce debate have a good weekend pal and if we do let Pogba and Lukaku leave I hope your right.

20 Jul 2019 06:20:32
If pogba and lukaku go, they are being replaced. We won't have to over rely on rash, martial or any youngsters.

If we lose those 2, I'm sure they will be replaced with quality. With the other additions such as Fernandes, I'm sure we will be okay.

I'm adamant we should be getting rid of pogba. Big mistake if kept. He is a problem.

20 Jul 2019 07:40:03
Other clubs such as Nottingham Forest, Derby County, Leeds, Preston North End etc etc have all of those things United have in terms of history and manager and supporters and blah blah blah. But they were winning trophies. just like we used to. Do not fool yourself that players go to a club for all of the above without the possibility of winning trophies. The average or above average might still but the very best players crave trophies above all else and will accept all the BS re history etc and pay it lip service in public whilst they are in with a shout of trophies. Without it the very best players aren't in the least bit interested. Sad perhaps but true none the less. Blimey most of our supporters don't remember our bad times. I would suggest those that can remember or are even aware that we were once relegated from the top tier to the old second division and we endured many years of hardship before being restored in the SAF era. The top players weren't flocking to join us then either. Sorry to say mate but that's about where we are now and we have to accept that for the top players we are a step down. As a club that needs to be addressed and over paying mediocre players is not the way to go about it. We need a total rebuild. It's going to be a long and painful road but I've no doubt we will be back to laugh in the faces of those that taunt us now. We will return to sneer at the scallies and emptiheads as they enjoy their time in the sun now. . Fingers crossed.
But I have to say that whilst some of your views are inspirational they are at the same time somewhat delusional at this moment in time. That said we need people like you to help us 'fight them on the beaches' and drive our hopes and ambitions. Have a great weekend and enjoy the game against Inter later. Rock on.

20 Jul 2019 08:47:36
Scoo - When have we really been in for the best players? Vernon maybe? Di Maria? We've always succeeded by trusting in youth, targeting the best domestic talent whilst supplementing this by signing good foreign players which we've looked to develop.

Of course it's more difficult to attract players when your in a period of instability, the distribution of wealth throughout the league means it's getting harder to target the best domestic talent and with the emergence of teams like City, Chelsea and even Spurs over the last decade players have more choice. My point was despite all this Utd still has massive pulling power. Call me sentimental but there is just something magical about our Club and our worldwide fame and notoriety will still appeal to lots of players even in this turbulent period. From the Busby babes immortalised by tragedy to the pinnacle of Europe, Fergi's fledglings and an historic treble and all the other excitement and drama along the way history does matter. People love stories and Utd have one of the best. The old stadium needs a lick paint but it remains the biggest in English football sold out for every game. It's a place that survived the blitz, turf trodden by the great Duncan Edwards, Bobby Charlton, Dennis Law, George Best, Eric Cantona, Ronaldo. Tell theses stories to your kids, give them the history lesson and let their imagination run wild. Don't be fooled by the Insta generation that requires immediate gratification we are an institution my friend and whilst there may be hard times ahead we're still in there fighting.

20 Jul 2019 09:19:41
Actually Old Trafford didn't survive the blitz. It was bombed and rebuilt after the war. In the mean time we played at Maine Road, the old MCFC ground between 1941 and 1949.

I love our history just as much as you and many many others do and revel in the points you allude to but. we have tinted glasses bless us. Players, although they might appreciate the history and romance etc want honours and trophies, accolades etc above anything. They are competitors, gladiators if you will, but they aren't in the main romanticists. Trust me you are preaching very much to the converted here. I've been a supporter man and boy for 60+ years so fully into the history of the club. It isn't the likes of me and the millions of our ilk. It's the players we need to convince to forge our future and write history. We will get there but I'm unconvinced we have the platform in terms of management (Woodward and OGS) or players at the moment to achieve that. My heart said OGS but my head said otherwise, probably like many others. I hope to be proved wrong. You will know by my age I've seen highs and lows. Things change.

20 Jul 2019 09:21:25
By the way DLIB, who is Vernon? (Veron? ) .

20 Jul 2019 09:25:58
And another thing. forgive me I'm old lol.
"supplementing this by signing good foreign players which we've looked to develop. " Van Nestelroy, RVP, Cantona. LLarsen, Zlatan. we weren't looking to 'develop' them lol.



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