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02 Jul 2019 12:11:13
With the amount of people online that are just willing to let De Gea go and replace him with Romero/ Henderson, I think it s time to put some things in perspective.

Ddg has been, by s significant margin, our absolute best player and has dominated the league as the best goalkeeper. He single handedly kept us competitive at times and is viewed by many to be our best ever keeper. 3 or 4 bad games in 6 years is owed to him.

We have the Messi of the goalkeepers, and some want to replace him with a 2nd choice and a championship keeper.

If we are to sell De Gea, only Oblak would do as a worthy replacement.

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02 Jul 2019 12:49:13
People have short memories, Mick. A lot of people wetting themselves when we signed Sanchez, and didn't give a fig about his wages. But give our best player a comparable contract, and it's see you later, Dave, and thanks for the memories. Teams generally don't seriously compete, with decent number two keepers, or ones that have no top-level experience. Have we such a glut of top players at the club, that we can just jettison one of the true top ones because he wants a contract befitting his worth to the team?

02 Jul 2019 12:52:49
Who exactly views him as our best ever keeper? He's 3rd in the modern era behind Schmeichel and van der Saar who were both better all round keepers. Then add in Bailey, Gregg and Stepney and there is some serious competition for our best ever keeper. De Gea isn't in the top two. He's a great shot stopper but his all round game has weaknesses.

02 Jul 2019 13:19:38
We should have done all we can to keep him and get him signed but non of us know how much apart theb2 parties are.

02 Jul 2019 13:30:38
I’d never give a fig Stevie.

They’re a dream summer dessert with some honey and Greek yoghurt.

I’d give away all the fig rolls though, dry pellets of disappointment.

02 Jul 2019 13:42:34
Mort, are you really mentioning Gary Bailey in the same conversation as DDG?

02 Jul 2019 13:44:33
Actually, Danny, I tried a fresh fig for the first time on holiday last year. The smell of fig rolls as a kid, had put me off them altogether. I can't believe I've missed out on them as a result for all this time. Absolutely 2 die 4.

02 Jul 2019 14:14:45
Sir Alex was the master of selling a player just before they declined.

Without a shadow of a doubt we owe all of our UCL qualifications post Sir Alex to DDG. At times he has been a one man defence.

In an ideal world he would have another 2 years on his contact and we could access the situation during next season.

My personal view is he won't be a top ten goalkeeper on his 32nd birthday.

I posted my reasons further down the page.

I think he would be a huge benefit to us next season, however, the club needs to decide how to handle the situation going forward. If we give him 350k a week then the only way he will leave is on a free transfer as no one would pay a fee and match those wages. Which is great if he maintains his level over the period of that contract. However, if his performances drop then we could be left with another Sanchez situation with a former top player unable to contribute at an elite level while receiving elite wages.

Personally I don't think DDG will sign a new deal unless it's on his terms. Why would he? He is 12 months away from a free transfer to a club much more likely to challenge for titles and white signing on fee.

02 Jul 2019 15:07:17
Ability wise De Gea definitely has a shout in being called the best United keeper ever.

He doesn't have he silverware of Schmeichel or VDS but he is an incredible keeper who in my opinion has been the best keeper in the world over the past 4-5 years or so. As good as Schmeichel and VDS were, they played in far better United teams than De Gea and were generally tested far less.

02 Jul 2019 17:11:19
Glad you're not in charge shappy.

02 Jul 2019 18:14:37
Rjmanutd, How old are you? I don't think you could have seen much of Schmeichel or VDS if you think DDG is a better all round keeper than either of them. Seriously think about what it takes to be a top goalkeeper and rank each one in each department.

Shot stopping: DDG is top in this department, although VDS in particular runs DDG close. Schmeichel finishes bottom of the pile, probably due to the other two being leaner more flexible keepers.

Aerial ability: Schmeichel tops this with VDS a comfortable second and DDG bottom of the pile comfortably.

Commanding your area: Schmeichel tops here again, although VDS is close to him. DDG is mailes behind both of them.

Communicating with the defence: Maybe slightly controversial here but I feel VDS tops this one, edging out Schmeichel with DDG again miles behind the other two. My reasoning is commanding an area is different to talking defenders through a game. Rio Ferdinand has a habit of switching off during games, but VDS cut that out of his game improving Rio as a defender.

1 vs 1's: Schmeichel is again tops as he was a beast, VDS a close second on a technical level he was better than Schmeichel. Its just Schmeichel would scare out of attackers when he came charging towards them. DDG is good, but not as good as the other two so again finishes third.

Playing out from the back: VDS tops this, his passing out from the back was pin point, which is probably to be expected from a player hailing from the Ajax academy. Schmeichel's throws out from the back were legendary and he could start counters with the ball in his hands. DDG is decent, but again behind the other two.

So that leaves them like this:

Schmeichel: 3rd, 1st, 1st, 2nd, 1st, 2nd
Average position: 1.6

VDS: 2nd, 2nd, 2nd, 1st, 2nd, 1st
Average position: 1.6

DDG: 1st, 3rd, 3rd, 3rd, 3rd, 3rd
Average position: 2.6

(Adding up their positions, then dividing by 6 to represent the six categories)

Which puts ties Schmeichel and VDS with Schmeichel topping more categories but VDS being more rounded. While DDG lags behind only topping one category but finishing bottom in all others.

02 Jul 2019 18:43:16
Shappy, I'm 29 so have seen plenty of De Gea and VDS. Schmeichel was goalkeeper when I was young but I've seen plenty of him too. I've certainly watched enough United season review dvds in my time. Of the 3 keepers you could say at various points in their careers they could have called themselves the best keeper in the world.

What you've listed above is your opinion on those categories. For example, 1 on 1's, there are countless times De Gea has made a 1 on 1 save which was brilliant. Schmeichel was great in those situations but for me De Gea is slightly better. While he isn't as intimidating etc the goal is to stop the ball going in the net and I feel confident De Gea will save it far more often than not.

For me De Gea is also better than Schmeichel with his feet, though Schmeichel could throw the ball 60 yards which does help. VDS was great at playing out from the back.

I'm not saying it's a clear choice that De Gea is the best of the three but he is definitely in the conversation. In my opinion, he is ever so slightly above the other 2 but it's entirely personal opinion. That might also be a slight recency bias on my part? Like I said above, he doesn't have the silverware and that may count against him but solely in terms of ability he's fantastic.

02 Jul 2019 18:48:23
Schmeichel was the best keeper I have ever seen. I saw from Banks onwards, including Shilton at his peak, most of the foreign keepers as well at some point, but none better than Schmeichel.

02 Jul 2019 19:37:15
I know I'm biased, but big Pat Jennings was one of the best I ever saw live.

02 Jul 2019 21:54:03
Schmeichel is head and shoulders above Ddg. He was an excellent shot stopper as Ddg is. But schmeichel was dominant in his area, great at communicating with his defenders, great distribution of the ball, and very good at collecting crosses. Ddg does not possess any of these apart from fantastic shot stopping, and even that has disappeared over the past year and even during the world cup with Spain.

02 Jul 2019 22:54:32
Big pete best I've ever seen. Jennings was great and a real gentleman played golf with him a few times Stevie.

03 Jul 2019 00:34:55
You're a lucky man, Ken. Never heard anyone say a bad word about him. Much like Harry Gregg in the way he conducts himself. I agree with Schmeichel. Changed the face of goalkeeping for me, and to do that you have to be pretty good.

03 Jul 2019 10:11:15
Big Peter and shilton for me.



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