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17 May 2019 20:09:10
Can't help but think Solskjaer is going to end up 'taking one for the team' if the rumours of who we are looking to sign are true. We would have a good young squad next season but will likely not challenge for much but play some decent football with hopefully young players who want to play for us and will put in 100%. We would then see whether the fans are actually happy with decent football and effort or whether results do matter.

Unfortunately the fans will demand immediate success and I can see Solskjaer being the fall guy that leaves a much better, younger team than he found.

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17 May 2019 20:34:15
you make a good point GDS. i was thinking something similar today looking at the youngsters we seem to be targetting. perhaps ole is setting up or building a young and hungry squad for the next manager to reap the rewards. just a thought.

17 May 2019 20:50:43
I think the vast majority of fans would be OK with a younger squad that plays decent football and has heart. We are in no position to challenge for major honours at the minute, but if there is a clear direction we are heading, I don't think the fans would object.

17 May 2019 20:53:04
We have had 6 season of dross with 0 plan.


If the past few days are anything to show is that it actually looks like we are planning for the future

Young exciting players have been something we have been crying out for


Maybe ole is actually PLANNING for the future and us as fans will just have to support the boys and see where it takes us.

Take ajax for instance there first title in 5 seasons. That's the blueprint to aim for.

17 May 2019 21:14:39
Young players need top quality experienced players to guide them. The reason the class of 92 excelled was that there was a bedrock of experienced players already in the squad.

Ole is right to be looking toward young players, but if he drops them into our current squad it will be a disaster. It’s nothing to do with expecting immediate results, it’s about building a team in the right way.

17 May 2019 22:24:00
“Decent football and effort or whether results matter”. Why can't you have both, city and liverpool most certainly do.

Obviously just focusing on results is foolish as there is a process involved and we all know from the past years results gained from poor performances is unsustainable.

But the trend of modern football is showing you can both aim to play entertaining modern football and get results.

17 May 2019 22:44:52
DSG,

You certainly can and that is obviously the long term aim.

People on here would be happy seeing a plan and seeing that Ole has improved the squad and we are building something but if you look on social media some of the comments about the players we have been linked with today are already embarrassing. That was my point where I’m not sure people will be happy with 2-3 years of playing well but winning nothing and Ole would end up leaving before any of the plans come to fruition as fans want success immediately.

17 May 2019 23:41:41
Gds. That's an interesting one and a topic that can split opinion but there is a grey area.
If there is signs of progress and continual improvement and excitement and entertainment then that will be enough to please a decent annoys of fans. However the caveat i would but on that is that we must be competing to win trophies in year 2 and 3.
If there is entertainment and continual improvement that should mean competing to win trophies.
No matter what happens i will always support the club but i won't be a happy fan unless we are competing to win the best trophies.
I can compare the 70' and 80s against the 90's and 00's.
I didn't love the club any more when we were winning than i did when we were also rans during the 70s and 80s. But i was a happier fan for the next 2 decades that's for sure.
The one thing for sure is that ole knows that and he desperately wants that.
Can he pull it off?
That's the million dollar question. Ole is a long shot. He has a hell of a job in front of him.
Very much like last summer we will know a lot more about what his chances are when the window closes.
Can he move the players on that he wants, and can he keep the ones he wants. Van he get the ones he wants.

18 May 2019 04:19:29
I wouldn't expect too much next season, I remember when Liverpool went with this strategy it was a disaster.

18 May 2019 08:07:49
I see someone thinks we are planning now.

Planning would be putting a DOF in place before appointing a manager, not the other way round. Now we have to try to find one who agrees with the manager and his way of doing things. Planning on players, now we have taken a different direction again, back to what SAF did, but OGS doesn’t have the leadership or managerial ability of SAF to make it work. We are trying to make what happened in SAF early years work again in 2019, looking backwards not forwards. That isn’t planning.

18 May 2019 09:30:33
Red man how do you know OGS has neither leadership or managerial ability, he’s been in the job 5minutes let him get his own players in get rid of some of the deadwood so that he can implement his own style (hopefully a lot better than it’s been) and then judge him.

I don’t mean judge him after he’s done that and only had 5-10 games with new players and system either. It is not going to be a short term process we have to think long term otherwise we will be where we are now also rans.

I’m not saying Solskjaer is the manager we need but I’m willing to give him time to do the things he needs to. I hope he’s ruthless and not a boardroom puppet hopefully he delivers.

18 May 2019 10:33:35
Nellym

If OGS had leadership he wouldn’t be trying to be a clone of SAF, he would show his own style and path, he would lead from the front. You would also not have players like Rashford allegedly questioning our future path with Ole (something I don’t agree with him doing but it is symptomatic of the issue) . We wouldn’t hear nonsense like not using the managers car park space. After the Cardiff debacle, SAF is said to have said to OGS, what was that, a leader would not accept that in front of others. As a manager I expected him to impose a style, a pattern he hasn’t, does he have one? 20 plus games and we have no idea. If it was all about running he had the option to put younger legs in but didn’t, he made selection errors, substitution errors.

We gave him the job based on 10 games but now can’t judge him on the next 10. I may get it wrong on him but my strong instinct is that this mess is going to get worse by doing the usual sentimental United way and standing by him, not based on his past record but because he is a playing legend. At other big clubs he wouldn’t have been given the job and would have been dismissed for the end of season performances but United cling to sentiment.

18 May 2019 09:21:27
Are we already making excuses for Ole to fail.

18 May 2019 10:59:18
Lot of allegedlys and rumours in that post, Red Man, even for you 😁.

18 May 2019 10:59:41
No Singh, I’m being realistic, I think if who we are linked with is the plan we will be a force to be reckon with again in 2-3 years time, just not sure the majority of fans will allow for that gradual improvement, as your post probably proves to me to be honest.

18 May 2019 11:17:47
Gds. W if we are competing to win then the majority will be happy.
1 of Liverpool or spurs will win nothing this season. Both sets of fans will look back on what's was a great season and be happy with their lot. Even if its tinged with a little disappointment.
We have to be competing to win trophies by end of 2 seasons. We must be entertaining and we must have a team that plays with Psion desire and structure. We want a team that resinates with the fans and a team that represent the fans.

18 May 2019 13:53:51
Gds, we need to buy players who want to play for the badge. It's a cliche, but it's a fact. Non of us will be thinking we'll be challenging for the league, but we should be favourites for a top 4 finish, if we invest wisely and had a top manager.
I loved OGS as a player, but in all honesty, I'm not confident that he's got what it takes to put us back where we want to be. The appointment of Mike Phelan is mind boggling in it's stupidity. Mr Phelan has zero tactical nouse, United played the worse style under SAF when Phelan was assistant. He's a dour character, and was dour as a player.

So, i don't think OGS will take one for the team, but the unfortunate fact is that he'll be shown to be out of his depth at handling players and tactical structure against the top teams. The battle for top 4 will be much hotter than this year, but we're United, and we need to be challenging the top 2 and certainly getting into the top 4. Whether OGS/ Phelan are the right pairing to achieve that remains to be seen.

18 May 2019 15:24:37
Gds,

The problem is we can never predict the future and what if these young players turn like the ones we currently have.

We are talking about the next 3 years or more and what if they fail then we are going to be in another rebuild. This rebuild isn't going to stop unless we change the structure of the club and we get rid of those who have been making the decisions in the last 6 years.

We need a strong manager and i don't think that is Ole. Its a multi billion pound company and the people who are making decisions they are getting paid handsomely and in return we expect the best.

Moyes was a Fergie's and got no backing.

Van Gaal got the backing but again the toxic fans got rid of him.

Mourinho a decision made b3cause of the toxic fans and because City hired Guardiola.

Now onto Ole which again is a decision to keep the fans happy and keep them quite for a bit as Ole used to play for us.

I dony see any other club of our size across the world make decisions like this.

The other day i heard that United want to hire people and run the club like a family but i am sorry if you want to run a club like a family then you need everyone on the same page but they are clearly not based on our previous 6 years.

I hope Ole succeeds as i don't have nothing against him but i just don't think it will happen if he is taking advice from others and that means to be Ole isn't in charge they are people above him.

I think it was Bobby Charlton who was against Mourinho which is ridiculous how is he even having an input of how the club is running.

This isn't a question of showing r3spect to legends or past managers as respect is a different and running a club to be successful is different.

This isn't a corner shop that we hire people just because they are our uncle's son or daughter this is a Club that i pay to watch the game thay i pay for my Bt channel/ Sky channel/ NBC and this is a club that i have visited a few times at Old Trafford to watch the game.

In return we expect a clear plan and we clearly don't have the balls to follow any plans becuase as soon ad the club perform badly then we just change managers and start again.

You are telling me that i am. against Ole but its not being against Ole its more to do witht the person who decided to appoint Ole when he clewrly said we will make a decision at the. end of the year so again that was a plan which he didn't follow and went back on his words and hired him because of the fans so he save his job.

We have no plan and i agree with RedMan who has been telling us for the last 5 years that the club has no plan and with no plan or. idea the club is going to continue to fail.

I just hope. this time we give ole the chance and let him buy the players the club needs and then hire the next manager which will suit the players he has bought but based on past experience i don't think that will happen.

We are going to end up getting rid of Ole and then the next manager will be hired wanting to play a different style and then he isn't going to like the players we have and he will want to buy his own players and then we will again be talking about the same thing which we are curently doing today.

It is a never ending cycle unless we hire the right people who are going to choose a style of football nd hire a manager based on the style and then we might get somewhere.

One question do you really think the football will change enxt year after apointing Phelan has a similar style of play to Mourimho which is based on defensive style of football.

If we were really going to play the type of football we have for last 3 months then why did we sack Mourinho was that because he was challenging the hierarchy of the club and the ambition.

I don't see much difference in what mourinho was doing and how Ole has been playing so why did we sack Mourinho was it just to please a few fans because he was challend Utds ambition.

The truth hurts and whe need to swallow our pride and start again and not make decisions on short term but think long term.







 

 

 
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