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10 May 2019 11:01:17
So looks like we've bagged Daniel James.
Not a big signing and some may say "this is what we've become" but as we've seen, it takes more than talent to be successful. Hard worker with a ton of pace, fits the style of play we want to aspire. Let's see how it goes.

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10 May 2019 11:25:34
We haven't bagged anyone, its simply just a rumour.

10 May 2019 11:34:05
Young British player, who won’t cost a fortune, or demand massive wages. Seems sensible.

10 May 2019 11:36:06
Bagged him 😂😂😂. This isn't tesco shopping bag.

10 May 2019 11:53:56
Could be a shrewd signing and potentially and idea of how Solskjaer wants to play and what sort of status of player (which we have all discussed) is going to look for.

10 May 2019 12:23:40
I'm now imagining a supermarket sweep style show involving clubs bagging players.

10 May 2019 12:23:51
It's not over the line yet, I remember watching a press conference with John Obi Mikel holding up a United shirt. So it's still in the potentially happening bracket.

I've seen him a couple of times, he is lighting quick, however, as with any young player he has areas he needs to work on, good technique, not over reliant on one foot. However, as expected with a young player decision making could be better. I sometimes think his legs work quicker than his brain as well. By that I mean he gets into positions then thinks what now, rather than having a clear idea about what he is going to do. It's important for a young player who has an attribute that elevates them above their contemporaries to work on the rest of their game and not be over reliant on that attribute which is easier said then done. It happens a lot with lad who are exceptionally strong or quick, they rely too heavily on that and don't round off their skill set.

That said I like this kind of transfer, someone young hungry and talented.

Lets see what happens.

10 May 2019 13:12:42
Replacing Juan Mata's minutes in the squad? But lo and behold with an actual winger.

10 May 2019 13:50:29
A good signing if it happens imo.

Has talent and can be developed further. Sterling wasn’t the finished product by some margin when he joined City but he has answered most of us doubters now.

10 May 2019 14:30:20
Yeah another left winger because we clearly don't have enough of those already.

10 May 2019 15:15:42
Technically do we have a left winger? Rashford and Martial are both arguably better at striker and is where their long term future is. Does the Latin Elton have even a short term future?

And the guys two footed he could do a job on the right.

10 May 2019 15:25:01
CSM, I would argue that we don't have any wingers in the squad at all, or at least none that play as wingers anymore (Young and Valencia) .

I made this point the other day. Sanchez works best as a false No.9, that is where he has had his best season/ performances. Mata is a No.10, Rashford is a striker, Lingard is a second striker and Martial is more of a wide forward not a winger.

All can play on the left, but then John O'Shea could play in goal.

Although James has predominately played on the left he has also played on the right. Also of the 5 players in our squad who could play on the left only Rashford and Lingard seem to be safe within the squad. Mata is out of contract, the club wants to shift Sanchez and there are reports saying Martial's future could be in doubt.

Therefore, in inexpensive, lighting quick, tactically versatile, true winger capable of playing on either wing seems like a low risk potentially high reward signing.

Side note, he caused City real problems earlier in the season.

10 May 2019 16:20:58
mort if we are looking to get rid of our existing lw's we should be targeting someone who is atleast proven in a top league, signing championship players when we actually need top class players is just glazeronimics at work.

Shappy last low risk high reward that worked was chicarito that was a decade ago, since then we have had smalling, zaha, buttner, jones, bebe, nick powell, angelo henriquez and diego dalot. And outside of smalling none of them have worked, reserving judgement on dalot for now. It's safe to say the low risk high reward strategy rarely pays off especially given the fact, we need first team players not bench options not starters.

The whole point of moving on sanchez, even martial would be getting someone better than those 2 who can hit the ground running, is daniel james going to do that? I don't think so.

10 May 2019 16:44:36
CSM, you are proving my point of the day. We have signed as many big name fancy signings as well which haven't worked.

We have spent 700m on "top" talent since Sir Alex has retired. When you consider the wages and agents fees we will probably be topping the 1 billion mark. Which of them have been a success?

What we need is a strategy, a clear identifiable way of playing, and clear ideas about the types of players we need to sign, both skill set wise and mentality wise.

Many great players have come from the championship, the last two young welsh lads signed by a top EPL club was Ramsey and Bale. Hardly bad company.

It's this snobbery, and inability to give young lads a chance that is making it harder for these lads to be a success.

10 May 2019 17:24:59
I reckon CSM is one of those who kicks the club for not going for the likes of Dele Alli.

We need first team players sure. We need ideally around 8 signings. At the current state of the transfer market that's a minimum of £500 million. Not exactly realistic. So if skimping cash on a young talent in one position means more available money to spend on a genuine world class player in a more pressing position.

Get 3 top class in and fill the rest out with the academy and hot young talent.

Shappys been bang on today, young players don't get the chance. The biggest criticism is as a club we have lost our way. What are we most known for? Giving young players s chance.

10 May 2019 18:06:07
so shappy, mort we should give young lads a chance by buying a unknown young player from swansea rather than giving our academy players a go? Also you both conveniently side stepped my question, isn't the whole point of replacing sanchez and martial to get someone better straight into the first 11? Is this kid better both?

Shappy what big names have we signed? Pogba, Lukaku, di maria and sanchez are the only big name players in prime that we have signed. Out of these sanchez was clear bust, di maria was poor managed as seen by the fact that he has scored 15+ goals in most of his seasons at PSG. Pogba has been misused and still is the best player at the club and Lukaku has been ok.

Signing 50 year olds like Zlatan and schweinsteiger or paying big money for the matics schneiderlins and freds of the world isn't spending money on big name players its spending big money of bang average players. We have spent money badly not on big names.

10 May 2019 18:46:44
What does this mean for our young players in the academy.

If we are going to be buying players of his age to fill our squad then doesn't that block the path for Chong and co.

10 May 2019 19:07:43
CSM, the academy lads need games. However, we have Valencia, Darmian, Rojo, Jones, Herrera, Mata, Sanchez, Pogba, Bailly, DDG and possibly Martial and Lukaku as players most people agree either need to leave or who want out. 12 players, obviously not all will leave, but there will be enough space in our squad for some summer signings and the academy lads.

What makes a big name player? Well that is subjective, just like what makes a player world class. It means different things to different people.

For me I would say anyone who plays regularly for their national team, especially if that national team is a highly ranked side that play in major tournaments such as the world cup then they for me are a big name player. Someone most casual football fans will have heard of. However, I accept people will have a different point of view on that.

I would argue that since Sir Alex retired a larger proportion of our signings have fallen into the category of big name or established player rather than young up and coming player with potential.

Mata, Fellaini, Herrera, Rojo, Di Maria, Blind, Falcao, Valdes, Darmian, Schneiderlin, Schweinsteiger, Romero, Ibrahimovic, Mkhitaryan, Pogba, Lukaku, Matic, Sanchez, Fred and Grant.

as apposed to: Shaw, Depay, Martial, Bailly, Lindelof and Dalot.

That's 26 players since Sir Alex retired. Only 6 of which I would consider young players with potential, although I would except that number going up to 7 to include a 23 year old Pogba. Although he was signed as a "big name" signing.

That's still 19 players established players, mostly internationals, mostly supposedly at the peak of their careers. Percentage terms we sign 75% of our players as established players, and 25% as young, hungry players with potential.

Now step back and look at those lists. Now how many of the established players have medium term future at our club? Romero, Lukaku and Fred maybe? That's 15%.

How many of the second group? 3-4? Shaw, Lindelof, Dalot and Martial. 50-65%.

That clearly highlights which types of signings have generally been more successful, especially more long term.

10 May 2019 19:24:44
No Singh it doesn’t. If they are good enough they will make it.

Don’t be like the other gloom-mongers!

10 May 2019 19:26:51
shappy and mort - both spot on. CSM you are missing the point. they are not saying that someone like James is going to replace sanchez or martial. these are the sort of signings that allow us to improve the squad and then look to bring in more finished articles. And btw James is very highly rated and is being chased by a few premier league clubs.

the issue with our fans is that we criticise if we go for galactico singings and also criticise when we go for young talented players. you can never win. i like the idea of going for young hungry players because there is less ego involved and it allows ole to build something long term. adding some youngsters and supplementing it with top talent and we are onto something exciting. let's just see what happens instead of putting a negative slant on everything that happens. it has made this site insufferable recently to be quite honest.

10 May 2019 19:32:15
Singh, I think that really depends on how much of a shake up is planned. Chong plays RW, Gomes AM, Garner CM, Greenwood is a ST.
James plays LW. Add Martial, Rashford, Lingard and Lukaku then that's 8 players for 4 positions amongst our forwards. With only Mata and Sanchez departing from the first team. If anymore forwards depart then there would be more space.

That still feels like there will be plenty of chances.

I really do feel that we could see a two year cull of a large proportion of the first team with a longer term project in mind.
This could be an exciting new time in our clubs history.

10 May 2019 19:38:48
Mort, I do like hot young talent.

10 May 2019 20:27:19
The question you. should be asking is

If he signed wuold he fit the team

The answer is yes

And tbh he's prob better on the right than the likes of mata and lingard so judge the guy with what he does if he signs.

10 May 2019 21:02:53
He's not unknown. Football does exist outside the EPL.

10 May 2019 21:18:12
Well let's see. I don't think thwre is a need to buy young players unless we qre going for the very elite such as Felix or Sancho and if we can't get them then i rather give our academy players games.

10 May 2019 21:45:01
I recall SAF buying Lee Sharpe from Torquay, and Coppell from Tranmere so we shouldn’t dismiss players. Looks pacy so maybe someone to take a chance on, perhaps a late developer. Can’t be a main signing. The worry is that it means the Sancho level signing is not on, and you worry it’s the cheap option, again. We can only judge when we have seen him play, unless it is just a ploy to claim we are interested to get his fee up

Swansea are said to be happy with £15m, however there is a disagreement over the fee as Woodward says he is only prepared to offer £20mil for such a talent.

10 May 2019 22:00:53
I know SAF didn’t buy Coppell by the way, I was just remembering he was bought, before people jump on it.

10 May 2019 23:11:34
It shouldn't stop anybodys chances if you show your good enough and put the effort in you will get a chance, that should be the attitude.

10 May 2019 22:47:27
He did beat cole in a cup final though redman😂😂 i've not seen him but i would trust that giggs will have been asked about him so if there is any truth in this rumour then id would say he had a glowing reference.
Could be a masterstroke like Coppell or sharpe as you say. I don't see any negatives at all.

As for potentially blocking our youth players i don't see that as an issue. This is Manchester United you should expect competition and rise to the challenge. Those that are saying it blocks the youth would have no problem if it was greizman or sancho or the likes.
Looking as his stats and reading up on him his pace and movement are 2 of his core strengths. We lack both in our attack.
I'm looking forward to seeing him if he does sign. Funnily enough a signing like this appeals to me more than some of our more recent signings.

11 May 2019 07:29:52

It is an investment signing, another I thought of was Gordon Hill. Seen the videos of this Swansea lad, looks good but it can be deceptive

One point though is if we are interested just go in and do the deal at that level of spending. Haggling or messing around can let others in once alerted.

As to the youth, the best come through no matter what such has to be the standard.

11 May 2019 09:33:27
Would you of called sancho and felix, elite standard at the start of the season?
I like the look of James, the lad is seriously quick, works hard and still young . Could be a very interested signing . although his camp have said there has been no contact.

11 May 2019 10:06:42

On the videos his balance looked good, able to keep the ball close to him under control whilst also have devastating straight line Bale in his prime uninjured type pace. It is the sort of signing that can be interesting, if true.



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