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25 Apr 2019 11:29:48
Pogba in the team of the year. Only representative from a club that is not man city or liverpool.

Might not be as bad as everyone makes out or at least his peers don't think he's that bad.

I am sure he will get the praise and adulation on this site he deserves lol.

We need more players of his quality and ability not less.

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25 Apr 2019 11:41:32
We need players who respect their own teammates enough to put in the hard work required to dominate a game, and not just the highlights reel.

25 Apr 2019 11:48:18
Team of the year? This is a joke, surely?

25 Apr 2019 11:54:02
I'd put makka pakka in there before pogba, I'd definitely have put in one of the wolves players before pogba.

25 Apr 2019 12:07:19
I'm speechless. About 10 good games and his fellow players have him in the team. Perfect example of style over substance.

25 Apr 2019 12:13:04
Haters going to hate, potatoes will potate, read on this site last year.

25 Apr 2019 12:27:30
There's no haters, just honest posters saying what they see with their own eyes, a guy with loads of ability just not interested in becoming a top player for Manchester united.

25 Apr 2019 12:37:18
As i said i am sure the site will support their own player and give him the praise and adulation he deserves for what has been a good season.

{Ed001's Note - you are very good at the sarcasm, only for a moment you actually had me believing you thought Pogba had actually had a good season rather than a couple of good moments in an otherwise dreadful, lazy excuse for a season!}

25 Apr 2019 12:40:56
Also becks is right, most posters on this sight have some sort of personal animus towards pogba, he has his obvious shortcomings but he is our best outfield player by some distance.

{Ed001's Note - you really are good at this. You really do sound almost believable.}

25 Apr 2019 12:41:39
A guy with loads of talent, who thinks that this means his teammates should do all the donkey work.

25 Apr 2019 12:54:36
I do actually think pogba has had a good season, and he is our best outfield player, although that is picking the best out a bad bunch.

{Ed001's Note - you really have low standards if that is a good season. Is turning up with the right name on the back of his shirt the sole requirement for you to call it good? If so, I agree. If actually bothering to try is part of it, then no he hasn't. He has played at about 1/100th of his ability all season long, that to me is not good.}

25 Apr 2019 13:02:20
That is a fair point of view ed, he does need to up his work rate but i don't particuarly like the tropes that cone out on this site of him being lazy and flashy.

Poor work ethic could be attributed to every player in the squad but some get away with it on here.

{Ed001's Note - Fred works hard, he is just total garbage (to be nice). Herrera is a hard worker too.}

25 Apr 2019 13:05:30
Pogba has more talent and ability than any other current Utd player. The point is that he does not utilise it correctly.

He ambles around the pitch, holds onto the ball too long and consistently chooses the wrong options. As a result we make criticism and expect more.

He should be dominating the midfield in most games but he doesn’t.

It’s very clear that for some time that Pogba has wanted to leave and that Utd have been interested in selling.

People need to get over this fact and let it go.

Utd will be better off without Pogba in the long term and that is how we must think.

He shouldn’t be in the PL eleven when you consider players at other clubs such as Wolves, Watford, Spurs etc.

25 Apr 2019 13:06:53
He should have been dragged when Sterling out jumped him to win a header. Regardless of whether we had subs or not!

25 Apr 2019 13:10:27
Read a good piece by a former player about how players chose who to vote for.

For the most part, players vote for the player they found most difficult to play against. If you are an average Premier League midfielder tasked with stopping Pogba then you can see why he would stand out. He is strong, he is quick and he has good ball control. He floats around the pitch and can pass a ball 90 yards. All in all, a nightmare to DIRECTLY play against as - even if he fails to play at his best - his style is a nightmare to play against.

Now he certainly has his detractors on here and plenty of the criticism is rightful. However, he is one of maybe 5 players in that squad who are actually Man Utd class. It isn't his fault that he doesn't fit the style we play.

Finally, compare Pogba and Fred. Both cost astronomical amounts of money. PP has scored plenty of goals and has a few assists despite not being at his best, being constantly slated by fans and the former manager whilst, largely, being used in a role he isn't a natural in. Fred, on the other hand, is - without a doubt in my mind - the worst midfielder we have had since the days of Djemba-Djemba and can't even pass a ball 5 yards.

Anyway, bit of a long post that went off on a tangent but, yes. Players hate playing against Pogba and maybe we would see his true value if he wasn't playing next to a hopeless competition winner like Fred who, truely, wouldn't get a game for any other team in the league.

25 Apr 2019 13:13:41
2 ex players on sky last night, whatever we think of them, 2 proper midfielders in their day, now 2 honest boys who will say what they see, souness just sat back at let Keane tell it as it is about pogba,
Before the game even started Keane said I don't believe a word he says,
Souness was getting attacked for talking about pogba all season so he was glad to let Keane talk,
Now them 2 can judge a midfielder.

25 Apr 2019 13:07:51
Fred works hard in the literal sense but could he not work harder at being able to control a football, he has had many years as a professional to work on this rudimentary skill.

Same could be said for lukaku.

Smalling and jones have been professionals for 10+ years but have not worked hard enough at passing a ball accurately more than 5 yards.

{Ed001's Note - some people lack talent but there is nothing worse than a lazy get who has talent but doesn't bother to use it.}

25 Apr 2019 13:55:44
That's more rubbish, pogba needs this player and that player beside him,

25 Apr 2019 14:05:05
Keane said he doesn't know pogba but managed to make a pretty strong character judgement on a person he doesn't know by speculating that he is not trustworthy.

Most of what keane said was usual tripe you hear from the pundits, he is becoming a parody of himself and living up to this hardman label people give him. He sells himself short as he was actually an amazing football player leaving aside the hardman image.

Souness obviously has a blant agenda against pogba, he doesn't hide it.

25 Apr 2019 14:07:46
Leahy, he just needs someone who can receive a pass and make a pass. Pretty much every professional footballer can do this. Fred, somehow, can't control the ball, can't pass the ball, can't dribble the ball. all he has is a Left-foot which has, genuinely, less ability than Charlie Adam's left-foot and a high-workrate. I'm not saying Pogba needs Xavi or Iniesta, he is much better when playing with Herrera and McTominay as they actually have the ability to be professional footballers.

25 Apr 2019 14:13:35
DSG, I would agree we need more players of his quality but with the right attitude and passion to fulfill their potential.

Poor work ethic + loads of talent never equates to a top player and such players come more under the microscope because of how frustrating they make it for everyone associated with the club, especially when they are playing for a top club.

Pogba is still regarded by most as being a top talent, unfortunately not a top player because of his inconsistency and at 26 yrs old just being a top talent is not good enough when you also factor in his success at Juventus and being a world cup winner.

25 Apr 2019 14:39:50
Pogba for 100 million and the talent he has doesn't give 1 percent of his ability like Ed001 said above.

Id have Hereras of this world over Pogba any day just b3cause they work hard.

We don't need Pogba for another year with all this crap. He never want3d to play for us why are we begging for him to play for us. Just get rid of him and let him take his antics to Real Madrid or where ever he wants to go.

25 Apr 2019 14:49:21
So72 if Fred can't do his job in midfield, what is he doing at Manchester United,
Neville said last night that's what he does that's his make up, if he can't make a pass or be bothered to track back and put in a few tackles what's he doing at one of the biggest club in the world, and who made the decision to pay 50 mil and bring him in, they should be shown the door as well.

25 Apr 2019 15:27:03
I could make an argument for at least 10 players ahead of Pogba in that team, it is crazy.

Eriksen, David Silva, Hazard, Brooks, Jota, Son, Fraser, Maddison, Gundogan just off the top of my head.

25 Apr 2019 15:40:11
Leahy, I agree - Fred is useless.

25 Apr 2019 15:52:05
People seem to forget the tripe served up for the first 6 months at Utd by 2 greats named Vidic and Evra. Atrocious they were but settled the next season. Same with Lindelof. How many games has Fred played in a new country, new culture, new team, changing managers and a language he doesn't know. Handful. How can you compare Fred to Pogba is ridiculous to say the least. Yes he misplaced a pass or two but atleast he tries unlike Pogba who stands on the ball till the time 3 opposition players converge on him and nick the ball away. Pogba is a passenger and needs others to do the dirty work so that he can make that hollywood pass at the end to Rashford, who would miss the goal. But i think the players are tired of Pogba and refuse to do the work for him.

25 Apr 2019 16:00:13
A joke gds2, but he is one of the cool kids with fancy hair and clothes, plus he has a million friends on the Internet he doesn't even know.
Everything is false about it.
And they made the toty a shambles putting him in.

25 Apr 2019 16:39:56
I am with you DSG.

Pundits like Keane and Souness dislike Pogba for reasons out with his footballing ability. I do not wish to start a debate about racism or that, but so many of the tropes that get brought out regarding Pogba are always exclusively applied to Black footballers. These ex-pros who bump their gums about dancing and haircuts think real footballers are people like Jonjo Shelvey and Lee Cattermole.

It isn't a conscious bias but it is the same issues that Sterling has alluded to with media coverage. These opinions are repeated and reinforced by the media and pundits until they are swallowed up - uncritically - by fans. Then, all of a sudden, players who don't fit the stereotypical English view of a footballer become vilified and held up as 'unprofessional'.

You know the whole irony? Pogba is an elite athlete who takes great care of himself. The very pros who slate him and the legends the fans hold up (like the immortal Georgey Best) were out eating fish n chips and downing pints of beer every other night whilst sleeping with everything that moved. It is the same across every club in England and it is outdated.

I am not having a swipe or a go at anyone on here at all, and sorry if it comes across that way. There a very legitimate criticisms that Pogba has to face. It is just about time people realised the dog-whistle nature of some of the criticisms thrown his (and plenty of other black footballers) way.

P.S. not trustworthy? Pfft Keane knows all about that after walking out on his country in 2002.

25 Apr 2019 17:54:29
Are we likely to be talking about Pogba in 20 years time? There's your answer.

25 Apr 2019 20:37:43
Good point, So72. I think there is a subconscious bias there alright.

25 Apr 2019 21:07:41
Keane didn't just walk out on his country, the man had standards and wanted to win the world Cup not just take part, and he offered to stay on but was told to go home, a load of muppets from the muppets show he was dealing with.

{Ed007's Note - Well said. What happened in Japan is up there with the Keane ended Alf-Inge Haaland's career on the BS meter about him. Shocking treatment from some Utd fans to one of their greatest ever players, I can only assume they weren't around or were waiting for a Blackburn comeback when Keano was in his pomp.}



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